Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

04/18/2024 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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+= SB 161 TAX EXEMPTION FOR FARM LAND/STRUCTURES TELECONFERENCED
Moved HCS CSSB 161(CRA) Out of Committee
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= HB 134 PROPERTY TRANSFER TAX; MUNI TELECOMM TAX TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= HB 30 OBSERVE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME ALL YEAR TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 30 Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
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          HB  30-OBSERVE DAYLIGHT SAVING TIME ALL YEAR                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:26:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 30, "An Act relating to  daylight saving time;                                                               
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:26:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAN ORTIZ,  Alaska  State  Legislature, as  prime                                                               
sponsor, gave  an overview of  HB 30. He addressed  an unanswered                                                               
question  Representative   McCabe  had  asked  at   the  previous                                                               
committee  hearing, noting  where daylight  saving time  (DST) is                                                               
observed in  other countries and  stating that in New  York there                                                               
are seven bills related to  this topic. He reminded the committee                                                               
that if Alaska  were to adopt standard time, it  would put Alaska                                                               
on a two-hour difference from western states.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:29:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK opened public testimony on HB 30.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:30:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM WILLIAMS,  Financial Officer, Ward Air,  testified in support                                                               
of HB 30.  He discussed the benefits of  adopting DST year-round.                                                               
He said that while total  daylight time wouldn't change, it would                                                               
only  change  the  time  for  four  months  in  the  year,  avoid                                                               
inflicting  economic damage  to the  visitor industry  in Alaska,                                                               
avoid  reducing  outdoor  recreational opportunities  during  the                                                               
spring  and fall,  add an  hour  of daylight  after school  hours                                                               
during  the  winter,  reduce the  time  zone  difference  between                                                               
Alaska  and  the east  coast  financial  markets to  three  hours                                                               
instead  of  four during  the  winter,  and provide  an  economic                                                               
benefit with the  later daylight hours during  the winter months.                                                               
He said  the significant impact HB  30 would have on  the economy                                                               
and the  general health of  the public far outweighs  the benefit                                                               
of eliminating the  twice per year time change that  has been law                                                               
for  decades.   He urged  the committee  to pass  HB 30  with "do                                                               
pass" recommendations.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:33:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT   asked  how  DST  is   beneficial  for                                                               
tourists.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS explained that during  the summertime there is a lot                                                               
of  light  hours  in  the   evening,  providing  ample  time  for                                                               
recreational  opportunities during  that time.   He  said in  the                                                               
winter, certain  flight operations  could provide  better service                                                               
to those who want to leave  later in the morning and return later                                                               
in the evening.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:35:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAY PEA,  President, Save Standard Time,  testified in opposition                                                               
to  HB 30.   He  said  Save Standard  Time would  prefer to  make                                                               
standard  time permanent,  as having  permanent  DST extend  into                                                               
winter is not  desirable.  He gave a list  of possible effects of                                                               
permanent  DST,  saying  it would  force  earlier  waking  times,                                                               
significantly increase  car accidents  and depression  rates, all                                                               
of which  he said  create an unnecessary  risk to  public safety.                                                               
He said that based on a  number of studies, standard time is more                                                               
closely reflective of the sun  and comes with numerous health and                                                               
social benefits.   He  named several  states and  countries which                                                               
have adopted  permanent standard  time and  gave evidence  of how                                                               
that positively impacted the health  and well-being of the people                                                               
of those  places.  He argued  that permanent DST would  not lower                                                               
crime rates,  but actually  increase crime rates  per a  study by                                                               
the European Union considering permanent standard time.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:39:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HIMSCHOOT  asked  whether   any  studies  on  the                                                               
effects of DST have taken Alaska into account specifically.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PEA said  none were  specific  to Alaska,  but Russia  tried                                                               
permanent DST for three years  before reversing that decision and                                                               
going to permanent  standard time after determining  that DST was                                                               
the  cause  of   a  significant  increase  in   car  crashes  and                                                               
depression.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  asked where she could  find the Russian                                                               
study Mr. Pea had mentioned.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PEA cited Boris Enkov's  2016 study titled "Seven Year Survey                                                               
of Sleep Timing  in Russian Children in  Adolescence" and offered                                                               
to email studies to the committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:40:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS  said  she   appreciated  any  research  or                                                               
science specifically  related to  Alaska, because the  impacts of                                                               
such a decision would not be  uniform across the state due to its                                                               
size.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:42:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK,  after ascertaining  there was  no one  else who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 30.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:42:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:42 a.m. to 8:43 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:43:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE moved  to report  HB 30  out of  committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE objected.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:43:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RUFFRIDGE said  he is okay with  allowing the bill                                                               
to pass,  but he  is not  convinced that  DST is  the appropriate                                                               
time for the  entire state of Alaska.  He  said that the citizens                                                               
who live  here should be  prioritized, not tourists  or operators                                                               
within  those industries.   He  expressed his  "deep reservations                                                               
and concerns"  related to DST  but said  he would remain  a "yes"                                                               
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  said he was  in favor of  keeping standard                                                               
time if  we were  to eliminate  the current  twice per  year time                                                               
switch.   He  cited  a  decade worth  of  information related  to                                                               
fatigue  risk management  studies in  the airline  pilot industry                                                               
and said  it would  be a  mistake for  Alaska to  adopt permanent                                                               
DST.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIMSCHOOT  said she doesn't  have a firm  sense of                                                               
which time  system is better  than the  other, she just  wants to                                                               
choose one or the other.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENATIVE BAKER commented  that he is okay with  moving HB 30                                                               
out of  committee but is  apprehensive about uniform  DST because                                                               
of the  potential for harm  to northern communities  that receive                                                               
very little light in the winter.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCORMICK said  he is in agreement with  his colleagues and                                                               
acknowledged  that the  twice per  year time  change needs  to be                                                               
eliminated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:48:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE removed his objection.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:48:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MEARS said  she got the sense  from the discussion                                                               
that standard time  is the correct way to move  forward and asked                                                               
whether changes should  be made to HB 30 before  moving it out of                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCORMICK  reminded  committee  members  that  an                                                               
amendment deadline for HB 30 had passed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MEARS  removed her  objection.    There being  no                                                               
further objection,  HB 30 was  reported from the  House Community                                                               
and Regional Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                                        

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 161 Explanation of Changes Ver S to D 4.4.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Letter of Support 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Explanation of Changes Ver S to R 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Overview of Bill Actions 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Presentation 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Sectional Analysis Ver D 4.4.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Sectional Analysis Ver R 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Sponsor Statement Ver R 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Support Document 1 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Support Document 2 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 Support Document 3 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
CSSB 161 Explanation of Changes Ver S to R to R.A 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
CSSB 161 Overview of Bill Actions 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
CSSB 161 Sectional Analysis Ver R.A 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
CSSB 161 Sponsor Statement Ver R.A 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
CSSB 161 Ver R.A 4.2.24.A HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
HCSCSSB 161 Ver D Work Draft 4.4.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
CSSB161 Fiscal Note DCCED-DCRA 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
SB 161 DCCED-DCRA Response to HCRA re SB 161 4.2.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
HB 134 Fiscal Note CCED 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB 134 Letter of Support Alaska Realtors 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB 134 Fiscal Note DOR 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB 134 Sectional Analysis 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB 134 Written Testimony #1 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB 134 Written Testimony #2 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB0134A.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB030 Fiscal Note 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Letters of Opposition #2 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Letters of Opposition #1 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Letters of Support 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Research - 1. Activity by IJBNPA 2014 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Research - 2. Crime by RES 2015 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Research - 3. Economy by JPM 2016 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Research - 4. Vehicle Crashes by AJPH 1995 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Research - 5. Electricity by US DOE 2008 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Research Index 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Sectional Analysis ver A 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Sponsor Statement ver A 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Version A 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB030 Written Testimony 4.11.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 30
HB 134 Sponsor Statement 4.15.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HB 134 Presentation Updated 4.15.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
HB 134
HCSCSSB161 Ver D Amendment #1 4.16.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
HCSCSSB161 Ver D Amendment #3 4.16.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
HCSCSSB161 Ver D Amendment #1 4.16.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
HCSCSSB161 Ver D Amendment #2 4.17.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161
HCSCSSB161 Ver D Amendment #3 4.16.24.pdf HCRA 4/18/2024 8:00:00 AM
SB 161