Legislature(2025 - 2026)BARNES 124

04/10/2025 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION

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01:01:32 PM Start
01:02:10 PM HB26
01:28:56 PM HJR14
01:56:20 PM Presentation: Department of Transportation's Role in Emergency Response
02:47:50 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 26 STATEWIDE PUBLIC & COMMUNITY TRANSIT PLAN TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 26(TRA) Out of Committee
*+ HJR 14 PORT MACKENZIE & NORTHERN RAIL EXTENSIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Presentation: Department of Transportation's TELECONFERENCED
Role in Emergency Response
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        HB  26-STATEWIDE PUBLIC & COMMUNITY TRANSIT PLAN                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:02:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK  announced that  the  first  order of  business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL NO.  26, "An Act  relating to the  duties of                                                               
the  Department  of  Transportation and  Public  Facilities;  and                                                               
relating  to  a statewide  public  and  community transit  plan."                                                               
[Before the committee was CSHB 26(CRA).]                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:02:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK moved  to adopt  Amendment 1  to CSHB  26(CRA),                                                               
labeled 34-LS0276\N.1, Walsh, 4/4/25, which read as follows:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, lines 8 - 9:                                                                                                       
          Delete "public and community transit operators,                                                                   
    including    ferry   operators,    local   governments,                                                                 
     communities, and tribal entities"                                                                                      
          Insert   "metropolitan   planning   organizations,                                                                
      local governments, communities, tribal entities, and                                                                  
       public and community transit operators, including                                                                    
     ferry operators"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK  objected for  the purpose  of discussion.   She                                                               
spoke  to   the  amendment,  stating  that   this  would  include                                                               
metropolitan planning organizations (MPOs)  in the development of                                                               
a community transit plan.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK withdrew her objection.   There being no further                                                               
objection, Amendment 1 to CSHB 26(CRA) was adopted.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:04:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA moved  to adopt Amendment 2  to CSHB 26(CRA),                                                               
labeled 34-LS0276\N.2,  Walsh, 4/4/25, as amended,  which read as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 8:                                                                                                            
          Delete "cooperation"                                                                                              
          Insert "coordination"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA  explained that replacing  "cooperation" with                                                               
"coordination"    would   conform    the   language    concerning                                                               
stakeholders on page 2, line 5 of the proposed legislation.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:05:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK removed  her objection.  There  being no further                                                               
objection, Amendment 2 was adopted to CSHB 26(CRA), as amended.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:05:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA moved  to adopt Amendment 3  to CSHB 26(CRA),                                                               
labeled 34-LS0276\N.3,  Walsh, 4/4/25, as amended,  which read as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 5:                                                                                                            
         Delete "local governments and tribal entities"                                                                     
          Insert   "metropolitan   planning   organizations,                                                                
      local governments, communities, tribal entities, and                                                                  
       public and community transit operators, including                                                                    
     ferry operators"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK objected for the purpose of discussion.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  explained the  purpose  of  Amendment 3  is                                                               
similar,  as  it   would  make  the  language   in  the  proposed                                                               
legislation consistent.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK removed  her objection.  There  being no further                                                               
objection, Amendment 3 was adopted to CSHB 26(CRA), as amended.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:06:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR EISCHEID moved  to report CSHB 26(CRA),  as amended, out                                                               
of   committee   with    individual   recommendations   and   the                                                               
accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:07:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE   objected,  stating  that  he   does  not                                                               
[generally] oppose  the bill; however, he  argued that Department                                                               
of  Transportation  and  Public Facilities  (DOT&PF)  is  already                                                               
doing this work, and he  questioned the necessity of the proposed                                                               
bill.  He expressed the opinion  that "this is an Anchorage bill"                                                               
and has nothing to do with  his constituents and those in some of                                                               
the  other remote  parts  of  the Interior.    In conclusion,  he                                                               
expressed opposition to the proposed legislation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:08:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA explained  that even if DOT&PF  is doing this                                                               
work now,  leadership and federal rules  could change; therefore,                                                               
active  work on  multimodal  transportation  planning and  public                                                               
transit planning  is not guaranteed.   In terms of this  being an                                                               
"Anchorage bill," she  stated that, while DOT&PF can  do this for                                                               
all  areas  in  the  state,  in current  statute  it  is  only  a                                                               
requirement  for  urban  transportation.   She  argued  that  the                                                               
current  statute is  biased towards  Anchorage, and  the proposed                                                               
legislation  would   remove  the  term  "urban"   because  it  is                                                               
outdated.   She  reiterated that  the proposed  legislation would                                                               
ensure DOT&PF would  work on transit options in  areas other than                                                               
the larger  cities in the  state.   She noted the  funding issues                                                               
and  added  that  this  would  make  sure  community  groups  are                                                               
involved  with   the  department   to  address   their  community                                                               
concerns.   She added that  including MPOs would allow  others to                                                               
be included in the process.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:11:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STUTES  thanked the  sponsor of the  proposed bill                                                               
for including ferry operators, as this represents rural areas.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:11:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE   argued  that   the  8,200   Alaskans  in                                                               
Southeast, Kodiak,  and Dutch Harbor would  not include villages,                                                               
such as  Ruby, as it  could use a ferry.   He continued  that the                                                               
proposed  legislation would  not address  the villages  of Healy,                                                               
Denali, Cantwell, Willow, or Talkeetna.   He stated that it would                                                               
do nothing  to solve  the issue  of transportation  between Healy                                                               
and Fairbanks, which is a problem  for Healy, as it has no health                                                               
care services.   He argued that  this would not even  service Big                                                               
Lake.    He  explained  that  for him  to  support  the  proposed                                                               
legislation,  the  needed additions  would  create  too great  an                                                               
expense.   He commented that  on the fiscal note,  the department                                                               
has  stated that  it  is already  doing everything  it  can.   He                                                               
expressed appreciation for the  proposed legislation; however, he                                                               
expressed opposition.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:13:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TILTON noted that the  fiscal note is zero because                                                               
DOT&PF is  already doing  the work.   She  argued that  if things                                                               
were to  change, the fiscal note  would change as well,  and more                                                               
costs  would  be  incurred.   She  expressed  opposition  to  the                                                               
proposed bill.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:14:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   EISCHEID  commented   on  his   experience  in   rural                                                               
Wisconsin,  where a  transit system  accessed rural  places.   He                                                               
shared  his  experience as  a  city  planner for  the  Matanuska-                                                               
Susitna  Borough,   stating  that  transportation   planners  had                                                               
discussed issues concerning  those who live in remote  areas.  He                                                               
suggested that  talking and  planning would lead  to action.   He                                                               
expressed support for the proposed legislation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:15:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA  requested  that  Andy Mills  speak  to  the                                                               
proposed legislation,  concerning the  changes in  [paragraph] 5.                                                               
Per this,  she questioned whether  rural areas would  be included                                                               
in the community transit plan.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:16:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY  MILLS,  Legislative  Liaison,   Special  Assistant  to  the                                                               
Commissioner,   Office  of   the   Commissioner,  Department   of                                                               
Transportation   and  Public   Facilities,  responded   that  the                                                               
department's  work   already  consists  of  area   and  statewide                                                               
planning.  Concerning Representative  McCabe's comment, he stated                                                               
that  no matter  the planning,  without additional  funding there                                                               
will  be no  service  to the  remote areas.    He continued  that                                                               
without additional  resources, he could  not envision a  path for                                                               
new services.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:17:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR CARRICK expressed support  for the proposed legislation,                                                               
as her  district has many  semiurban areas, and  a transportation                                                               
plan here is  important.  She commented on the  zero fiscal note,                                                               
recognizing that in  the future the bill could  generate a fiscal                                                               
impact.  She  opined that the fiscal impact would  be positive if                                                               
it led  to better  connectivity for  communities, such  as Healy.                                                               
She expressed  the opinion that  MPOs need  to be included.   She                                                               
noted  that  there   would  be  a  statewide   effect  for  rural                                                               
communities  because  of  the  inclusion   of  ferry  and  tribal                                                               
consultation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:19:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   EISCHEID  opined   that,  from   a  former   planner's                                                               
perspective,  plans are  the envisioned  future  of a  community;                                                               
with a  robust process involving public  comment and professional                                                               
planners, the result  would be a roadmap for the  future, and the                                                               
funding would follow.   He suggested that often a  plan is needed                                                               
to receive a grant, so a plan would be a first step.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA, in  closing, shared that she  had joined the                                                               
Public  Transit Advisory  Board in  Anchorage in  2017, when  the                                                               
board had  been undergoing a plan  for Transit on the  Move.  She                                                               
stated that  the plan was the  result of a decline  in ridership,                                                               
and the board  was trying to determine what needs  were not being                                                               
met.     She  pointed  out   there  had  been   robust  community                                                               
involvement, but  there was no  new funding  or new routes.   She                                                               
stated that the plan was  created with the direction of community                                                               
members who  use the  service.   She continued  that a  few years                                                               
later, the  municipality had  been able to  work out  the funding                                                               
for the Transit  on the Move plan.   She argued that  even if the                                                               
funding  were  not  available, planning  would  be  important  to                                                               
understand the  needs of the  community.  She concluded  that the                                                               
proposed legislation represents transparency and accountability.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:22:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MCCABE  stated that  if the  proposed bill  were a                                                               
statewide  plan, he  would  offer an  amendment  to include  rail                                                               
stops  in  Anchorage,   Wasilla,  Houston,  Talkeetna,  Cantwell,                                                               
Healy,  and  Fairbanks.    He  argued  that  this  would  provide                                                               
community  transport  and  involve   the  Alaska  Railroad.    He                                                               
suggested  that  this  would change  the  railroad's  focus  from                                                               
tourism.  He maintained his objection.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:23:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  CARRICK   expressed  appreciation   for  Representative                                                               
McCabe's suggestion.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:24:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote  was taken.    Representatives Moore,  Stutes,                                                               
Mina,  Eischeid, and  Carrick voted  in  favor of  the motion  to                                                               
report   CSHB   26(CRA),   as    amended,   out   of   committee.                                                               
Representatives Tilton  and McCabe voted against  it.  Therefore,                                                               
CSHB  26(TRA)  was  reported  out  of  the  House  Transportation                                                               
Standing Committee by a vote of 5-2.                                                                                            

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