Legislature(2025 - 2026)BARNES 124

02/19/2025 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE

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03:19:31 PM Start
03:20:13 PM Presentation: Child Care Update
03:57:41 PM HB23
04:16:23 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation: Child Care Update by Commissioner TELECONFERENCED
Heidi Hedberg, Department of Health
+= HB 20 PROHIBIT FEES FOR PAPER DOCUMENTS TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
-- Public Testimony --
*+ HB 23 APPLICABILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
         HB 23-APPLICABILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:57:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[CO-CHAIR HALL announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 23,  "An Act  relating to  the definition  of                                                               
'employer' for  the purposes  of the  State Commission  for Human                                                               
Rights."]                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:58:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ANDY  JOSEPHSON,  Alaska  State  Legislature,  as                                                               
prime sponsor, presented  HB 23.  He began by  stating that HB 23                                                               
would make  non-profit organizations subject to  the jurisdiction                                                               
of  the  [Alaska  State  Commission   on  Human  Rights  (ASCHR)]                                                               
regarding  claims   of  discrimination  related   principally  to                                                               
employment.  He further remarked  that there are currently 44,000                                                               
citizens not protected under Alaska  law from discrimination.  He                                                               
asserted  that   the  Equal  Employment   Opportunity  Commission                                                               
(EEOC), a  federal agency, provides nominal  protections to these                                                               
individuals  not  currently  protected  by  ASCHR.    He  further                                                               
asserted that protection under EEOC  is inadequate.  He explained                                                               
that Robert  Corbisier, the director  of ASCHR, brought HB  23 to                                                               
his  attention.    He reported  that  ASCHR  completed  unanimous                                                               
resolutions in  support of  the provisions of  HB 23  and pointed                                                               
out  that all  of  the  current appointees  [of  ASCHR] are  from                                                               
Governor  Mike Dunleavy.    He  gave an  anecdote  about why  the                                                               
proposed  legislation   is  necessary   for  the   protection  of                                                               
employees  of non-profit  organizations, explaining  that [ASCHR]                                                               
screens complaints  [of violations] and  facilitates conciliation                                                               
between  employee  and  employer.   He  concluded  be  giving  an                                                               
overview  of  past iterations  of  the  proposed legislation  and                                                               
suggestions for change [to HB 23] from ASCHR.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN  ALPER, Staff,  Representative Andy  Josephson, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  gave  a  PowerPoint  [hard  copy  included  in  the                                                               
committee file],  titled "HB 23:   Applicability of  Human Rights                                                               
Commission" on behalf of  Representative Josephson, prime sponsor                                                               
of HB 23.   He began an overview of ASCHR on  slide 2, which read                                                               
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   • State agency that enforces the Alaska civil rights                                                                         
     laws in AS 18.80Seven commissioners appointed by the Governor and                                                                        
     confirmed by the Legislature                                                                                               
   • Small staff and office in Anchorage                                                                                        
   • Statewide powers to accept and investigate complaints                                                                    
     for individuals across all regions of the state                                                                            
     Mission Statement:                                                                                                         
        To eliminate and prevents discrimination for all                                                                        
     Alaskans                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     In Alaska, it is illegal to discriminate in:                                                                               
   • Employment                                                                                                                 
   • Places of Public Accommodation                                                                                             
   • Sale or Rental of Real Property                                                                                            
   • Financing and Credit                                                                                                       
   • Practices by the State or its Political Subdivisions                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Because of:                                                                                                                
   • Race                                                                                                                       
   • Color                                                                                                                      
   • Religion                                                                                                                   
   • Sex                                                                                                                        
   • National Origin                                                                                                            
   • Disability                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR ALPER  moved to slide  3, an  overview of the  jurisdiction of                                                               
various  human  rights groups,  including  ASHRC,  which read  as                                                               
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission                                                                        
     (EEOC) protects non-profit employees from                                                                                
     discrimination if the employer has at least 15                                                                           
     employees                                                                                                                
          Municipal commissions, like the Anchorage Equal                                                                     
     Rights Commission (AERC) and the Juneau Human Rights                                                                     
     Commission (JHRC), cover non-profit employees in those                                                                   
     communities                                                                                                              
          The State commission has no jurisdiction to                                                                         
     accept or pursue discrimination cases brought to them                                                                    
     by non-profit employees                                                                                                  
               (This is due to language in the definition                                                                     
     of "employer" in the ASHRC statutes, AS 18.80.300(5))                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER clarified  that a non-profit is  not currently included                                                               
under the  definition of "employer"  for ASHRC.   Specifically, a                                                               
non-profit with  fewer than 15  employees, which  constitutes the                                                               
majority of  non-profits according to  Mr. Alper, could  not seek                                                               
help from ASHRC for discrimination.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER moved to slide  4, drawing committee members' attention                                                               
to a  bar graph  representing a  breakdown of  the types  of non-                                                               
profit jobs  in Alaska.  He  noted that a study  from the Foraker                                                               
Group reported that  there are 5,688 non-profits  in Alaska, with                                                               
35,302  directly employed  persons -  roughly 12  percent of  the                                                               
state's workforce.  He further  noted that only one-fourth of the                                                               
non-profits  have more  than  a single  employee,  stating HB  23                                                               
would not  apply to the  other three-fourths [non-profits  with a                                                               
single person].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER moved to slide  5, drawing committee members' attention                                                               
to  an annual  report  from ASCHR.   He  highlighted  one of  its                                                               
legislative priorities, which read as follows [original                                                                         
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     "Work with the State Legislature to add non-profits to                                                                     
          ASCHR's jurisdiction in an effort to include                                                                          
     protections for 44,000 currently unprotected workers"                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER moved to slide 6 and gave an overview of the                                                                          
provisions under HB 23, which read as follows [original                                                                         
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                     What does the bill do?                                                                                     
          Exactly what the commission asked for in their                                                                        
     resolution                                                                                                                 
          Changes definition of "employer" to include non-                                                                      
     profit organizations                                                                                                       
          The change in HB23 only applies to the State                                                                          
     Commission for Human Rights [AS 18.80.300(5)]                                                                              
          Retains the exceptions for religious and                                                                              
     fraternal organizations                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER moved to slide 7, giving on overview of other                                                                         
recommendations/requests from ASCHR, which read as follows                                                                      
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     1.   Additional / alternative clarifying language in                                                                       
     the definition of "employer"                                                                                               
     2.   Change name of the commission to the Alaska State                                                                     
     Commission for Civil Rights                                                                                                
     3.   New statute saying that the governor can only                                                                         
     remove a commissioner for cause (incompetence,                                                                             
     neglect, misconduct, etc.)                                                                                                 
     4.   Change the timing of their annual report to                                                                           
     November 15, and allow for it to be provided                                                                               
     electronically                                                                                                             
      All these changes were incorporated into a previous                                                                       
     version of this bill by the House Judiciary Committee                                                                      
     on 5/8/23, as work draft CSHB181(JUD)\U                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER   concluded  by  inviting  questions   from  committee                                                               
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:09:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON indicated  he  would  welcome all  four                                                               
additional changes,  cited on  slide 7  of the  PowerPoint, which                                                               
ASCHR requested in its report.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:10:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  HALL   noted  that  Robert  Corbisier,   the  executive                                                               
director of ASCHR, was available for questions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:10:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  queried why the four  additional changes,                                                               
cited  on slide  7 of  the PowerPoint,  are not  included in  the                                                               
current version of the proposed legislation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON   offered  his  primary   objective  of                                                               
covering  non-profits but  welcomed the  additional changes.   He                                                               
spoke to  one recommendation  for change:   changing the  name of                                                               
the commission to  the Alaska State Commission  for Civil Rights.                                                               
He explained  that the commission receives  phone calls regarding                                                               
matters  that  it cannot  attend  to  [human rights  abuses]  and                                                               
believes the name  change would "speak better  to their mission."                                                               
He  urged members  to entertain  the proposed  changes and  noted                                                               
that the additional changes have bipartisan support.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER repeated his question.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON  replied  that   his  decision  not  to                                                               
include the additional changes was incidental.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  additionally asked  what ASCHR  does that                                                               
EEOC does not do.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON stated that he  is trying to expand, not                                                               
change, the jurisdiction  of ASCHR [to include  non-profits].  He                                                               
gave an  anecdote about  people with  red hair  as an  example of                                                               
possible discrimination.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:14:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  added that proposed  legislation would allow  ASCHR to                                                               
cover  employees  working  for  non-profits with  fewer  than  15                                                               
employees, which EEOC currently does not cover.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:14:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE COULOMBE asked if non-profits  were aware of HB 23                                                               
and  whether  there  had  been any  opposition  to  the  proposed                                                               
legislation from non-profits.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  stated he had an  informal conversation                                                               
with Laurie  Wolf, president  and CEO of  the Foraker  Group, who                                                               
shared some  concerns about  the changes [to  ASCHR].   He stated                                                               
that  the   proposed  legislation   is  bipartisan  due   to  its                                                               
reintroductions and changes over the years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:16:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR HALL announced that HB 23 was held over.                                                                               

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2025 Child Care House Labor Commerce 2.19.25.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
Informational Presentation-Dept of Health Child Care Update
1 HB23 Sponsor Statement 2.11.2025.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 23
2 HB 23 Sectional Analysis 2.11.2025.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 23
3 HB0023A.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 23
4 HB23 Supporting Document- NCSL Table Employment Discrimination Statutes.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 23
5 HB23 Supporting Document- ASCHR resolution 2022-4.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 23
7 HB23 Supporting Document Foraker Group Presentation.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 23
8 HB23 Supporting Document-Sponsor PPT 2.18.2025.pdf HL&C 2/19/2025 3:15:00 PM
HB 23