Legislature(2013 - 2014)HOUSE FINANCE 519
03/31/2014 08:30 AM House FINANCE
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Confirmation Hearing: Angela Rodell, Department of Revenue | |
HB21 | |
HB127 | |
Adjourn |
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+ | HB 127 | TELECONFERENCED | |
+= | HB 21 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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HOUSE BILL NO. 21 "An Act relating to the length of a school week; and providing for an effective date." 9:16:41 AM Representative Costello MOVED to ADOPT the proposed committee substitute for HB 21, Work Draft 28-LS0137\S, (Mischel, 3/30/14). Co-Chair Stoltze OBJECTED for the purpose of discussion. DANIEL GEORGE, STAFF, CO-CHAIR STOLTZE, discussed the CS. He explained that the version before the committee mentioned "alternate school term" in place of "four day school week." He said that Sections 1 and 2 of the bill defied the criteria required for school boards to address their application to pursue a calendar that was less than 172 total days. A section was added to provide an alternative "Days of Service" chart, in which teachers could receive credits toward their retirement and benefits while working in a shortened calendar year. Co-Chair Stoltze WITHDREW his OBJECTION. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered. The CS was adopted. Representative Wilson endorsed the changes reflected in the new bill version. She said that the bill would allow school districts to operate regularly based on the number of days in session, or on an alternative schedule based on hours. 9:20:34 AM Representative Costello relayed that other states had adopted the practice of measuring the school year in hours. She believed that the practice would provide for greater flexibility for crafting curriculum specific to communities and families. She believed that innovative methods should be explored for delivering education across the state. 9:22:17 AM Representative Guttenberg discussed Page 2, line 16. He asked how the public comment would be gathered and presented to the commissioner. Representative Wilson responded that discussion and public comment would take place at community meetings. Representative Guttenberg understood that it would be up to the school districts to demonstrate to the commissioner that a meeting was held and that public comment was taken. Representative Wilson agreed. She stressed that a vote of some sort must occur by district or school in order to determine support. She stressed the importance of not micromanaging districts in order to give them flexibility. 9:25:07 AM Representative Gara understood that school boards would have to adopt any changes put forth by communities. He cited stipulations in Section 2. Representative Wilson replied that a community meeting would occur first in order to assess the majority consensus. She stated that the intent of the bill was to achieve higher attendance rates and to enable student participation in sports and other activities. She said that another discussion would occur at the school board level where public testimony would again be taken. Representative Gara surmised that the school board would make the ultimate decision on the school schedule. 9:28:18 AM Representative Wilson replied in the affirmative. She clarified that the bill required that there be a public comment period and that the public opinion, not just the school board's decision, be taken into consideration by the commissioner. Representative Gara requested assurances that students would be required to be in school for a certain number of hours, regardless of the number of days, and that there would be no changes in retirement benefits for teachers. 9:30:16 AM Representative Wilson said that the bill addressed the retirement issue; teachers would receive the full year's retirement credit. Co-Chair Stoltze OPENED public testimony. Co-Chair Stoltze CLOSED public testimony. Co-Chair Stoltze warned of the complications and possible litigation that could arise from altering schedules. MICHAEL HANLEY, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND EARLY DEVELOPMENT, replied that the ability for an alternate calendar was in current statute. He shared that the language of the statute specified that the hours needed to be equivalent to a 180 school year. He said that the schedule could be crafted in order to meet the time requirements for retirement benefits. He referenced Page 2, line 3, which stated that the hours no longer needed to meet the equivalent of a 180 day school year. He furthered that the hours currently referenced in statute were minimal floor hours and were used for situations in which disasters took place and calendars needed to be adjusted. He said that by removing the 180 connection the school district would be allowed to approve a calendar that met the minimal number of hours and could result in up to 7 weeks less of instruction for students. He felt that shortening the school year would not be beneficial to students. He felt that very few school districts would switch to an alternative schedule and those would likely be small districts that had unique situations. 9:36:47 AM KATHY LEA, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF RETIREMENT AND BENEFITS, DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION, testified that teacher's working for a school district that had received approval from the Department of Education and Early Development to be on an alternate school term would receive a year's worth of service toward retirement. Co-Chair Stoltze asked about the contract negotiations. He understood the responsibility to fund, but wondered what would happen if the change was unsuccessful and had to be reversed mid-year. 9:38:06 AM Representative Wilson replied that contracts would need to be renegotiated. She believed that some schools would embrace the idea and that others would not take advantage of the opportunity. Co-Chair Stoltze reiterated that it would be difficult to reverse from a four day week back to a five day week. 9:41:03 AM Representative Munoz asked how many hours students were required to be in school during the 180 days. Commissioner Hanley replied that the school day was 6.5 hours long; typically 1020 hours in the 180 day school year. Representative Munoz understood that the proposal in the bill would lower the hours by 120. Commissioner Hanley replied yes, that it would allow the minimum number of hours. He clarified that the district currently had a 180 day school year with 10 of those days being in-service days. 9:42:47 AM Representative Gara understood that the bill would result in some districts offering less school hours. Commissioner Hanley replied that the minimal hours recognized a minimum school day set at 4 hours for younger students, and 5 hours for older. He said that that was in statute to recognize days with parent conferences or early release. He said that there were no school districts that operated daily for 4 or 5 hours, but for longer periods of time. He stressed that even though the minimum was there, when the 180 or 170 student days was in place, over 1000 hours was typical. Representative Gara asked if student would be attending school for the same number of hours or less under the legislation. Commissioner Hanley replied that it would be up to the districts. The bill would allow them to come forward with fewer days and fewer hours. Representative Gara expressed concern that student would be attending school for fewer hours than they were currently. Commissioner Hanley replied that currently all school districts exceeded the minimum number of hours. He said that shifting to 4 days a week, while keeping the school day the same number of hours, would reduce the student's time in school by 20 percent. 9:46:32 AM Representative Edgmon asked why the schedule approval would be left up to the board and not the department. Representative Wilson replied the decision would be a local one. She said that once the plan was determined by the school board it would advance to the department and the department would ensure that the plan met all of the necessary requirements. Representative Edgmon asked why the board of education needed to be involved when the decision could be handled solely be the department. 9:48:06 AM Commissioner Hanley replied that currently local school boards set the yearly calendars, which the bill maintained. The only change would be approval from the commissioner of the department when dropping below a certain number of days. 9:50:11 AM Representative Munoz asked whether the commissioner already had the ability to approve the alternative schedule. Commissioner Hanley replied yes. Representative Munoz wondered whether the bill was necessary given the authority already offered to the commissioner. Commissioner Hanley replied that the bill changed the time a teacher needed to work to achieve the full year of retirement credit. Representative Wilson thought that the commissioner's authority was based on a 4 day school week. Commissioner Hanley replied that the authority offered him the ability to approve an alternate calendar that fell below the currently required days. He noted that there were a significant number of alternative calendars that were already being used. Representative Wilson believed that if that was the case then the main issue would be to ensure that teachers received the full year's retirement credit for working the alternate calendar years. She stressed that the intent of the bill was not about teachers working less, but addressed that a school with a 172 day calendar did not mean that students were in the school for all of the 172 days. She said that the alternate schedule was to improve attendance. 9:54:10 AM Representative Thompson wondered whether shortening the school week would result in a better product. Representative Wilson appreciated the concern. She believed that allowing flexibility to districts would improve attendance levels. She believed that the community lead decision making process was a safeguard. 9:57:36 AM Representative Edgmon understood that the bill would put in place a pilot program that would enable school districts to better utilize custom calendar models. He expressed concern that only a small number of school districts statewide would be able to participate in the program. He relayed that in bush Alaska the schools were the pulse of the community during the school year. He expressed disbelief that any of the smaller schools would elect to shift to a 4 day week. He thought that the bill was idealistic and not realistic. 9:59:52 AM Representative Costello asked if the conscience decision had been made by the sponsor to not involve a policy call in changing what was currently required in statute for the minimum hours for schools. Representative Wilson responded that the 4 day school week was already statute and could be implemented by the school board without community involvement. She said that the issue that the bill addressed was the retirement portion. She felt that further discussions needed to be had with the commissioner concerning the parameters of the alternate schedule possibilities. She felt that any changes should be directed by a community decision. She thought that community involvement in dramatic changes would be imperative in order for the change to be successful. Co-Chair Stoltze clarified that the latest version of the bill did not categorize the program as a pilot program. 10:02:35 AM Representative Costello asked if the legislature should increase the minimum hours of a school day in state statute. Commissioner Hanley replied that a separate conversation was necessary to address the issue. Representative Costello agreed. She stressed that the bill was not an effort to reduce the number of hours for schools, but was an effort to give schools more flexibility in their calendar. ANDY MILLS, SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO THE COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION, pointed out to the committee that Page 2, line 19. He spoke to AS 14.25.22, which spoke to a calendar for pension service credit for teacher that was 133 days or more. Co-Chair Stoltze agreed that changes should be made with caution. Mr. Mills replied that it would be something to watch for. He said that any changes to hours would be very much a part of the contract negotiations. Co-Chair Stoltze asserted that absolutely changes would be addressed in the contract negotiation process. Representative Gara expressed concern that districts would reduce the number of student school hours. 10:09:19 AM Representative Wilson believed that the issue was a separate discussion. She said that the state currently did not mandate more than 172 days. She asked whether the success of a student was measured by the amount of hours spent in the classroom or test scores. She assured the committee that the bill would not change the amount of hours currently required. The bill was meant to address the issue of retirement. She contended that the district needed support and flexibility rather than additional regulation. 10:13:24 AM Representative Guttenberg asked whether there was an appeal process in place for those who could be opposed to changes in their districts. Commissioner Hanley replied that items 1 through 3 on Page 2 listed the current requirements. He said that the current statute indicated that the school board would adopt a schedule that would be approved by the commissioner. 10:15:40 AM Representative Costello discussed the two fiscal notes. Both had zero fiscal impact. Co-Chair Stoltze stated that a letter of intent should be drafted to accompany the legislation that recognized unstated but potential future costs. Representative Wilson agreed to include a letter of intent. Representative Costello MOVED to REPORT CSHB 21(FIN) out of committee with individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered. CSHB 21(FIN) was REPORTED out of committee with no recommendation and with one new zero fiscal note from Department of Education and Early Development and one new zero fiscal note from Department of Administration. 10:18:54 AM AT EASE 10:21:18 AM RECONVENED
Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
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HB127 Sponsor Statement March 26 2014.pdf |
HFIN 3/31/2014 8:30:00 AM |
HB 127 |
HB127 Explanation of Changes March 26 2014.pdf |
HFIN 3/31/2014 8:30:00 AM |
HB 127 |
HB 21 - CS(FIN) - Ver S - 3.30.14.pdf |
HFIN 3/31/2014 8:30:00 AM |
HB 21 |