Legislature(2023 - 2024)ADAMS 519

04/30/2024 01:30 PM House FINANCE

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HOUSE BILL NO. 11                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act establishing the crime of assault in the                                                                           
     presence of a child."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  explained that the bill  would add                                                                    
a misdemeanor to title 11 of  the state code. He shared that                                                                    
he had been a prosecutor over  20 years back and he had come                                                                    
across that  the Municipality of Anchorage's  criminal code,                                                                    
Title 9, included a crime  called family violence, which was                                                                    
essentially the equivalent  of assault in the  presence of a                                                                    
child. He  believed it was  the only  crime he saw  that did                                                                    
not have  a state  equivalency. He  relayed that  during the                                                                    
last  campaign   cycle  the  Alaska  Network   for  Domestic                                                                    
Violence   and   Sexual   Assault  (ANDVSA)   sent   out   a                                                                    
questionnaire  to legislators  and had  asked what  remedies                                                                    
legislators  suggested  in   terms  of  children  witnessing                                                                    
violence in  their homes  and the  trauma that  resulted. He                                                                    
stated  it  was  an  impetus for  the  legislation.  He  was                                                                    
prepared to talk about trauma  informed information and data                                                                    
in terms  of the exposure  of children to  domestic violence                                                                    
as  well as  Adverse  Childhood  Experiences (ACES)  scores,                                                                    
which the CDC [Center for Disease Control and Prevention].                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  stated that the idea  for the bill                                                                    
was not  drafted out of  whole cloth; there was  a municipal                                                                    
equivalent. Additionally, there  was a sentencing aggravator                                                                    
in the  felony code  AS 12.55.155.  He explained  that there                                                                    
was something  akin to the  bill in the  circumstances where                                                                    
there  had been  a felony  conviction and  a jury  was asked                                                                    
whether  a certain  aggravator should  apply. He  elaborated                                                                    
that  in  the  domestic  violence  context,  the  aggravator                                                                    
applied to  situations where  children under  the age  of 16                                                                    
witnessed the violence. He noted  it had to be proven beyond                                                                    
reasonable  doubt to  a  jury. He  explained  that the  bill                                                                    
would  make  the  crime  a  misdemeanor  and  would  provide                                                                    
prosecutorial option. The first  question would be whether a                                                                    
crime before the prosecutor a  felony. He explained that the                                                                    
prosecutor could pursue the aggravator  if a child witnessed                                                                    
the  felony. He  stated  that  most of  the  cases were  not                                                                    
felonies. He noted there were  about 220 charged per year in                                                                    
Anchorage.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson stated  that the  bill required  a                                                                    
predicate offence of assault.  He explained that there would                                                                    
be two charges and depending  on the strength or weakness of                                                                    
the case the prosecutor may agree  to dismiss one count or a                                                                    
no contest  plea on another.  He described  it as a  tool in                                                                    
the  toolkit for  prosecutors. He  highlighted  a 2021  case                                                                    
brought by [David Alan] Linden  [against the Municipality of                                                                    
Anchorage] challenging the constitutionality  of the law. He                                                                    
detailed that  the individual lost  to a unanimous  court of                                                                    
appeals. The  judge had determined a  situation involving an                                                                    
assault against an adult and  a child witnessing the assault                                                                    
were two  separate things that  should not merge.  She ruled                                                                    
it was legitimate  to charge two separate  things. The judge                                                                    
had cited  the importance of the  Anchorage Assembly putting                                                                    
the reason behind  the creation of the  ordinance on record,                                                                    
which was  over 20  years back.  The assembly  had discussed                                                                    
the  specific  type  of  harm  and  the  different  societal                                                                    
interest  of  separating  out assault  in  the  presence  of                                                                    
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  summarized his explanation  of the                                                                    
bill.  He   stated  that  the  municipality   [of  Anchorage                                                                    
criminal  code]  identified assault  in  the  presence of  a                                                                    
child as  a crime.  He relayed  that law  included something                                                                    
akin to  it for felonies only.  He noted that was  not a new                                                                    
charge, it  was an aggravator  that would increase  a felony                                                                    
sentence. He highlighted the  court opinion ruling [charging                                                                    
separately  for assault  in  the presence  of  a child]  was                                                                    
acceptable. He added that it  was also done in other states.                                                                    
He noted that maltreatment  laws in Alaska included exposure                                                                    
of  domestic violence.  He relayed  that  it was  consistent                                                                    
with Alaska's civil law specifying  that if children witness                                                                    
domestic violence,  it was considered a  maltreatment of the                                                                    
child.  He  noted  there  were letters  in  support  of  the                                                                    
legislation from Alaska Family  Services in Palmer and Women                                                                    
in Safe Homes (WISH) in Ketchikan.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:14:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  believed there were  some concerns                                                                    
that there  would be unfair  charging. He explained  that in                                                                    
the event  of domestic violence,  it had been  asked whether                                                                    
the  police  would properly  charge  the  assailant. He  had                                                                    
learned that  in [AS] 18.65  there was already a  law called                                                                    
mandatory  arrest for  crimes  involving domestic  violence,                                                                    
which  included  a  four-pronged  test.  He  explained  that                                                                    
police  were trained  where they  could discern  between the                                                                    
assailant  and  the  victim  to   ask  themselves  the  four                                                                    
questions before making a determination.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson relayed  that the  bill had  three                                                                    
hearings by the House  Judiciary Committee and received four                                                                    
"do   pass"   recommendations   including  two   from   more                                                                    
conservative  members. He  thanked Representative  Vance for                                                                    
the hearings,  which had taken  place the  previous session.                                                                    
There  had also  been discussion  about the  proximity of  a                                                                    
child  when   the  event  occurred.  He   relayed  that  the                                                                    
committee would hear from a  former municipal prosecutor who                                                                    
currently  worked  for  the Office  of  Victims  Rights.  He                                                                    
believed  the individual  viewed HB  11 as  better than  the                                                                    
municipality's  ordinance because  it  defined "present"  as                                                                    
meaning  physically present  or  within the  hearing of  the                                                                    
assault.  He  noted  that someone  may  question  whether  a                                                                    
person could  be mischarged because they  were unaware there                                                                    
were children down the hall  or perhaps in another apartment                                                                    
building who  heard the  events. He  thought the  answer was                                                                    
found in a  person's mental state. He explained  it would be                                                                    
necessary to  prove that a person  consciously disregarded a                                                                    
substantial and  justifiable risk that others  outside their                                                                    
domicile  could hear.  He surmised  that a  prosecutor would                                                                    
likely use  a rule of  reason when considering who  the kids                                                                    
were that were  really impacted by an  incident. He remarked                                                                    
that  it   was  not  necessarily   a  child  who   had  been                                                                    
downstairs, although  it was  possible. He  stated it  was a                                                                    
criminal  law,   which  was  difficult  to   craft.  He  was                                                                    
available for questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz asked  if the  bill could  apply to  a                                                                    
situation  where someone  was  in a  public  ball field  and                                                                    
happened  to witness  a violent  act by  one person  towards                                                                    
another. He  asked if  the perpetrator  would be  subject to                                                                    
the  law of  causing harm  to the  child even  if they  were                                                                    
strangers to the child.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  responded  that  it  was  a  core                                                                    
question.  He   stated  that  the  scenario   may  meet  the                                                                    
elements,  but  he  believed  prosecutors  would  use  their                                                                    
discretion  and  conclude  it  would not  be  a  case  worth                                                                    
bringing  to a  jury. He  relayed that  the House  Judiciary                                                                    
Committee had  wrestled with the  question and  the language                                                                    
in  the bill  resulted from  consultation with  Mike Shaffer                                                                    
[Office  of Victims'  Rights], the  Department  of Law,  and                                                                    
legislative council.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster moved to invited testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:19:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  SHAFFER,  ATTORNEY,  OFFICE OF  VICTIMS'  RIGHTS  (via                                                                    
teleconference),  testified in  support  of the  legislation                                                                    
and  believed  the law  was  long  overdue. He  provided  an                                                                    
overview of  what he  would discuss. He  shared that  in the                                                                    
past  he had  done  general crime  prosecution and  domestic                                                                    
violence   crime  prosecution   for   the  Municipality   of                                                                    
Anchorage.  He  had also  worked  with  low income  domestic                                                                    
violence  and sexual  assault victims  at the  Alaska Native                                                                    
Justice Center.  He provided further  detail about  his work                                                                    
history.  He had  joined the  Office of  Victims' Rights  in                                                                    
2022. He first prosecuted  family violence in the mid-2000s,                                                                    
which  was enacted  in the  late 1990s  by a  prosecutor who                                                                    
urged the  assembly to  adopt it. Once  he began  working at                                                                    
the  justice center,  he had  done  trainings nationwide  on                                                                    
domestic violence  and sexual assault. He  had learned about                                                                    
the  physical and  psychological  impacts  of assaults  that                                                                    
occurred  around children.  He explained  that although  the                                                                    
assault was  committed externally, the assault  was actually                                                                    
committed   inside  a   child's   developing  brain,   which                                                                    
curtailed  brain  development  in   a  fundamental  way.  He                                                                    
highlighted  that  Alaska was  one  of  the leaders  in  the                                                                    
incidence of  domestic violence  statewide. He  relayed that                                                                    
domestic  violence occurring  around  children formed  their                                                                    
thinking  and understanding  and  impaired  the ability  for                                                                    
their  cerebral cortexes  to  properly  develop. He  relayed                                                                    
that clients talked about their  children and their behavior                                                                    
and how it  would change subsequent to  assaults or multiple                                                                    
assaults.  It  had a  serious  impact  on children  as  they                                                                    
developed and  who did  not have the  ability to  curb their                                                                    
own  impulses.  It  was   part  of  where  intergenerational                                                                    
domestic violence came from.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Shaffer elaborated  that children  who had  been around                                                                    
violence had poorer brain development  and they repeated the                                                                    
behavior when  they were old  enough. He explained  that the                                                                    
bill was designed to address  the cycle of intergenerational                                                                    
violence.  He  noted that  from  his  experience, often  the                                                                    
family  violence  crime  was  worse  than  the  assault.  He                                                                    
provided  an example  of  a  four-year-old child  describing                                                                    
that their  dad had hit  their mom  and she had  fallen down                                                                    
and  was crying.  He explained  that  the experience  became                                                                    
seared  in  a child's  brain.  He  highlighted another  case                                                                    
where  a  nine-year-old had  called  911  from a  closet  to                                                                    
report that his  father was brutally beating  his mother. He                                                                    
noted the  dispatcher could hear the  assault happening over                                                                    
the  phone. He  detailed  that the  child  had not  directly                                                                    
witness the assault, but the  trauma impact of the crime was                                                                    
likely lifelong.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Shaffer  highlighted the  importance  of  the bill.  He                                                                    
shared that  he had  prosecuted thousands of  assaults, most                                                                    
of  which  were  domestic violence,  which  constituted  the                                                                    
majority  of assaults.  He referenced  the example  given by                                                                    
Representative Ortiz about a child  witnessing an assault on                                                                    
a  ball field.  He  stated the  situation  would not  likely                                                                    
result in a charge associated  with causing harm to a child.                                                                    
He  noted that  if a  young person  had stayed  to tell  the                                                                    
police what they  had witnessed, that child  was impacted by                                                                    
what they saw. He remarked  that most people did not witness                                                                    
any interpersonal violence  in their lives but  seeing it in                                                                    
person had an  impact. He elaborated that  the more apparent                                                                    
it  was, the  more impacting  it  was. He  explained that  a                                                                    
child  could be  hiding  under  a bed  in  terror while  one                                                                    
parent was assaulting  the other. He added that  if a parent                                                                    
assaulted  a  child  with other  children  present,  it  was                                                                    
equally traumatizing if  not more so. He  elaborated that it                                                                    
was  confusing for  children when  they saw  one person  who                                                                    
they  loved hurting  another person  they loved  without the                                                                    
ability to  do anything about  it and with the  feeling that                                                                    
perhaps it was their fault in some way.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Shaffer   relayed  that  there  were   times  where  he                                                                    
considered the family  violence that occurred to  be as much                                                                    
or  more  severe  than  the assault  itself.  Based  on  his                                                                    
experience  and  training,  he  found the  law  to  be  long                                                                    
overdue  at the  state level.  The cost  of enforcement  was                                                                    
minimal  because  the  fundamental  crime  was  the  assault                                                                    
itself that  had to be proven.  The extra part of  the crime                                                                    
was  presence of  a child,  which was  not a  time consuming                                                                    
issue to prove. He remarked  on the fiscal note showing that                                                                    
the Office of Public Advocacy  would need an extra attorney.                                                                    
He did  not really  understand the  need. He  had prosecuted                                                                    
the crime over a period of  approximately 17 or 18 years and                                                                    
there had  been no impact  or concern expressed by  the city                                                                    
because  family violence  was a  charge associated  with the                                                                    
underlying charge  of assault. He  pointed out that  not all                                                                    
assaults  occurred with  children present  and there  were a                                                                    
number of  assaults that  would not  be prosecuted  with the                                                                    
additional charge. He added that  the Anchorage police under                                                                    
preferred  the  potential  charges because  considering  the                                                                    
children  present did  not always  come into  their thinking                                                                    
when investigating an assault.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Shaffer strongly endorsed the  legislation. He stated it                                                                    
was one  of the most  fundamentally impactful bills  for the                                                                    
protection  of   children  that   he  could  think   of.  He                                                                    
considered  the situation  similar  to the  fact that  there                                                                    
were laws  against dealing of  drugs and laws  and increased                                                                    
penalties  for dealing  in  schools.  Similarly, he  argued,                                                                    
there  was a  different  quality to  violent  acts, such  as                                                                    
assault,  when   the  acts  occurred  in   the  presence  of                                                                    
children, whether children witness  the violence directly or                                                                    
were in close proximity to it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:32:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster OPENED public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  relayed that written testimony  could still                                                                    
be submitted via email.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Coulombe asked  for  more information  about                                                                    
the specifics of the violation.  She asked what the sentence                                                                    
would  be   for  a  Class   A  misdemeanor.   She  requested                                                                    
clarification on  whether the penalty  would involve  a fine                                                                    
or jail time.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson responded  that he  was trying  to                                                                    
recall  the   exact  fine.  He  explained   that  there  had                                                                    
previously been a fine of  $5,000, which was likely still in                                                                    
that  range, although  he could  be  mistaken. He  clarified                                                                    
that  the  primary  focus was  typically  on  the  potential                                                                    
sentence, which ranged  from zero days to 360  days. He also                                                                    
noted  that for  a second  domestic violence  offense, there                                                                    
would  be  a mandatory  minimum  sentence  of 30  days.  The                                                                    
sentences   were  usually   handled  promptly   following  a                                                                    
conviction.  He explained  that  if there  was an  extensive                                                                    
criminal history,  the sentence would increase,  whereas for                                                                    
a  first offense,  the sentence  would  generally be  lower,                                                                    
depending on  the severity of  the offense. He added  that a                                                                    
suspended sentence could also be considered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Coulombe   recalled   that   Representative                                                                    
Josephson had  made a previous  statement about  proving the                                                                    
violation beyond  a reasonable doubt. She  expressed concern                                                                    
that children  could become more involved  in investigations                                                                    
and  potentially be  required  to testify  or be  questioned                                                                    
about the crime. She was  concerned that it could worsen the                                                                    
trauma for children who had witnessed the crime.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  responded that he may  have caused                                                                    
some  confusion  by  discussing   reasonable  doubt  in  the                                                                    
context  of felony  aggravators,  which  could increase  the                                                                    
sentence.  He clarified  that, while  a  person could  waive                                                                    
their right  to have a  jury review an aggravator,  the bill                                                                    
pertained to  a misdemeanor.  However, he  acknowledged that                                                                    
if the defendant opted for a  trial and claimed they did not                                                                    
commit the  crime, the prosecution  would have to  prove the                                                                    
case beyond  a reasonable doubt.  He explained that  in many                                                                    
cases, defendants  entered a no-contest plea,  in which case                                                                    
the prosecutor would  need to provide the  relevant facts in                                                                    
a  charging document  or affidavit,  and children  would not                                                                    
necessarily be required to testify.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Coulombe remarked  that the clarification was                                                                    
helpful.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:36:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson   asked  whether   the  charge   would  be                                                                    
standalone.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  confirmed that  it would not  be a                                                                    
standalone charge, as  the assault would need  to be charged                                                                    
and proven before the violation could be considered.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Johnson asked  for  clarification  that after  the                                                                    
assault  had been  established, there  would be  no need  to                                                                    
question the child specifically  to verify the occurrence of                                                                    
the assault.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  replied that the  charging officer                                                                    
might interview  witnesses who could  confirm that  they had                                                                    
witnessed the  assault. In such  cases, the child  might not                                                                    
need to be  directly involved in the  investigation. He also                                                                    
mentioned  that a  representative from  Community Assistance                                                                    
Response  and  Emergency  Services   (CARES)  or  a  similar                                                                    
organization might  interview the child if  necessary. There                                                                    
could also  be a  referral to the  Office of  Child Services                                                                    
(OCS). He acknowledged that it  was not a pleasant situation                                                                    
or experience.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson noted  that in  Anchorage, with  a                                                                    
population   of   around    300,000   people,   there   were                                                                    
approximately 250  misdemeanors charged each  year. However,                                                                    
the  number of  convictions were  significantly lower,  with                                                                    
only around  40 or 50  convictions. The decrease  meant that                                                                    
roughly  one in  five  cases resulted  in  a conviction.  He                                                                    
speculated that the  other four cases likely  did not result                                                                    
in a  conviction because the  case was weak, or  because the                                                                    
defendant entered into a plea  agreement. In such cases, the                                                                    
defendant might plead  no contest to the  assault charge and                                                                    
have  the  assault  in  the   presence  of  a  child  charge                                                                    
dismissed.  The  approach  would   save  time  for  everyone                                                                    
involved, including  the prosecutor, defense, and  the court                                                                    
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk asked  whether  the  intention was  to                                                                    
deter  crime,  and  if  so,  what  Representative  Josephson                                                                    
thought the impact would be.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  responded   the  question  was  a                                                                    
difficult one and there could  be many variables at play. He                                                                    
shared that  in 2018, 271  charges were filed  in Anchorage,                                                                    
with  a  slight increase  in  2019  before dropping  to  176                                                                    
charges  in 2023.  He  thought that  the  decrease could  be                                                                    
related  to COVID-19,  but emphasized  that, like  any other                                                                    
criminal charge, the  hope was that there would  be a public                                                                    
service announcement effect. He  explained that people would                                                                    
understand  that committing  violence in  front of  children                                                                    
would have more severe consequences.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Cronk asked  why  the offense  could not  be                                                                    
classified as a felony.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson responded  that the House Judiciary                                                                    
Committee  had  initially  considered  the  possibility.  He                                                                    
explained  that  while it  could  be  attached to  a  felony                                                                    
charge, the elements of the  felony offense would still need                                                                    
to  be  met in  order  for  an  indictment  to be  made.  He                                                                    
acknowledged   that,  based   on  his   own  experience,   a                                                                    
misdemeanor  was  the  appropriate  classification  for  the                                                                    
offense.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cronk  expressed that  in his  opinion, there                                                                    
was  not enough  protection  for children  and that  harsher                                                                    
penalties would be preferable.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:42:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz referenced  the earlier  question from                                                                    
Representative  Coulombe and  asked whether  there had  been                                                                    
prosecutions  related to  domestic violence  that considered                                                                    
the  impact on  children prior  to the  introduction of  the                                                                    
bill.  He asked  if the  experience of  child in  witnessing                                                                    
domestic  violence had  ever  been  criminally addressed  in                                                                    
such cases, particularly in relation to felony charges.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson responded  that he  would need  to                                                                    
review  the "endangering  the welfare  of a  child" statute.                                                                    
However, he  believed that it  would likely not  be relevant                                                                    
to the discussion  at hand. He explained  that the treatment                                                                    
of   violence  in   front  of   children  differed   between                                                                    
municipalities,  citing Anchorage  as an  example where  the                                                                    
issue  was treated  more  intensively.  In Alaska,  however,                                                                    
violence committed in  front of children was  treated in the                                                                    
same  manner   as  always,  with  no   separate  charge  for                                                                    
committing  a violent  act in  the presence  of a  child. He                                                                    
clarified  that this  difference in  approach was  primarily                                                                    
between Anchorage and the rest of the state.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Ortiz  understood that  municipalities  like                                                                    
Anchorage had taken a more  serious approach to such crimes;                                                                    
however, state  prosecutors had never charged  a perpetrator                                                                    
for the impact of violence on a child in the past.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson responded  in the  affirmative. He                                                                    
further explained  that while  the state  had not  taken the                                                                    
approach,  life   could  still  become  difficult   for  the                                                                    
perpetrator. There  could be custody disputes,  which he was                                                                    
familiar  with from  his experience  practicing divorce  law                                                                    
for nine years. The perpetrator  could be required to attend                                                                    
a  batterer's course,  lose custody,  face divorce  attorney                                                                    
fees, or  deal with restraining  orders, all of  which could                                                                    
result in significant ramifications.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Tomaszewski   asked  about   the  connection                                                                    
between the specific  charge in the bill  and the provisions                                                                    
in  AS  12.55.155.  He  referenced  the  sentencing  factors                                                                    
related to aggravation and mitigation.  The bill appeared to                                                                    
increase the  penalties for a  specific charge,  rather than                                                                    
adding  a  separate  charge altogether,  and  he  asked  for                                                                    
clarification on  whether it was  similar to a  felony under                                                                    
AS 12.55.155, subsection 18(c).                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson responded that  the existence of AS                                                                    
12.55.155  subsection  18(c)  illustrated  that  there  were                                                                    
already  provisions   in  the  felony  context   to  enhance                                                                    
sentences, which  was a similar  concept to HB  11. Although                                                                    
the sentencing  provision in the  felony context  might seem                                                                    
similar, the  bill was introducing a  standalone misdemeanor                                                                    
linked  to assault.  He clarified  that  a prosecutor  could                                                                    
face  difficulties  if  they  attempted  to  charge  both  a                                                                    
misdemeanor   and   a   felony  with   similar   aggravating                                                                    
circumstances, as it would be  complicated to argue for both                                                                    
charges in court. He reiterated  that the bill was different                                                                    
because it was a standalone misdemeanor tied to assault.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted that there were eight fiscal notes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:48:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES   STINSON,  DIRECTOR,   OFFICE  OF   PUBLIC  ADVOCACY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF ADMINISTRATION,  reviewed  the fiscal  impact                                                                    
note from DOA with OMB  component 43 and control code GBLwE.                                                                    
He explained  that the Office  of Public Advocacy  (OPA) was                                                                    
requesting one  attorney to  meet the  anticipated workload.                                                                    
He acknowledged  that the  charge was  attached to  an audit                                                                    
and applied  statewide in state  statute, but noted  that it                                                                    
would   likely    be   applied   differently    in   various                                                                    
jurisdictions. He  emphasized his main concern  was ensuring                                                                    
that the agency was adequately resourced.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster noted that there  was a cost of $215,400 for                                                                    
OMB component 43.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TERRANCE  HAAS,  PUBLIC  DEFENDER, PUBLIC  DEFENDER  AGENCY,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION  (via teleconference), reviewed                                                                    
the  fiscal  note  from  DOA with  OMB  component  1631  and                                                                    
control  code KlxXr.  The Public  Defender Agency  (PDA) was                                                                    
also requesting $215,400.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ortiz noted that the  two numbers for the two                                                                    
fiscal  notes were  identical  and questioned  if  it was  a                                                                    
mistake.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas confirmed that the  cost was indeed $215,400, which                                                                    
was  the   cost  for  one   attorney  position   located  in                                                                    
Anchorage. He  assured the committee that  the two identical                                                                    
numbers were not a mistake,  as each department required one                                                                    
attorney, thus explaining the matching costs.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster moved on to the next department.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:51:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TERI WEST,  ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES DIRECTOR,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
CORRECTIONS     (via    teleconference),     reviewed    the                                                                    
indeterminate  fiscal impact  note  from  the Department  of                                                                    
Corrections (DOC)  with the OMB  component 1381  and control                                                                    
code zPPdd.  She explained that  the bill would  legislate a                                                                    
new crime and  there was insufficient data  to determine its                                                                    
specific  impact on  the  department. If  the  bill were  to                                                                    
pass,  the  department  would  monitor  its  impact  on  the                                                                    
population and  any potential fiscal effects.  If the impact                                                                    
proved  to be  small,  the department  had  the capacity  to                                                                    
submit a zero note and meet the needs accordingly.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  invited the next department  to present its                                                                    
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Kemp relayed that DOL  submitted a zero fiscal note with                                                                    
OMB  component 2202  and control  code bFEql.  She explained                                                                    
that  the department  understood  that it  could absorb  the                                                                    
costs of the bill. The  referred charge would be attached to                                                                    
an  existing  charge,  as   pointed  out  by  Representative                                                                    
Josephson.  The department  anticipated no  additional costs                                                                    
and  believed  it could  manage  the  fiscal impact  without                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:53:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Purinton  reviewed three  fiscal  notes  from DPS:  OMB                                                                    
component  2325 for  the  Alaska  State Troopers  Detachment                                                                    
with control code  jMgpf, OMB component 2744  for the Alaska                                                                    
Bureau of Investigation with the  Alaska State Troopers with                                                                    
the  control code  yFwWi,  and OMB  component  3200 for  the                                                                    
Criminal Justice  Information Services Program  with control                                                                    
code LwqrZ.  She explained that  all three were  zero fiscal                                                                    
notes.  The  department  did not  anticipate  a  significant                                                                    
fiscal  impact from  the bill  and  believed any  additional                                                                    
work could be absorbed with existing resources.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  invited the next department  to present its                                                                    
fiscal note.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  MEADE, GENERAL  COUNSEL, ALASKA  STATE COURT  SYSTEM,                                                                    
reviewed the zero  fiscal impact note from  the Alaska State                                                                    
Court System (ASCS) with OMB  component 768 and control code                                                                    
QuZVV. She explained  that the cases would  almost always be                                                                    
aligned  with  other  ongoing cases,  specifically  with  an                                                                    
additional  charge in  an ongoing  assault  case. The  court                                                                    
system  could  absorb  any  additional  work  with  existing                                                                    
resources.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  asked for  confirmation that  the OMB                                                                    
component number for the court system was 768.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Meade responded in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  noted  that earlier,  testimony  had                                                                    
been    received   from    two   different    organizations,                                                                    
specifically  PDA  and  OPA, both  of  which  had  requested                                                                    
additional attorneys.  She asked  why the  departments would                                                                    
need  another  attorney  when  the   bill  merely  added  an                                                                    
additional charge to an existing assault charge.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Meade  replied that she  did not work directly  with the                                                                    
agencies  on  their  fiscal notes.  She  thought  that  each                                                                    
agency conducted its  own assessment of the  impact the bill                                                                    
would  have  on their  staff  and  resources. She  clarified                                                                    
that,  for the  court system,  even an  increase of  50 more                                                                    
cases would  not require  the addition of  a new  judge. She                                                                    
explained  that it  would  take a  much  larger increase  in                                                                    
cases to justify a fiscal  note. While the bill would result                                                                    
in some additional work, it  did not lead to significant new                                                                    
costs for the court system.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin remarked that  she was unfamiliar with                                                                    
the  process  of  fiscal  notes   for  criminal  cases.  She                                                                    
suggested that it might be helpful  to hear from PDA and OPA                                                                    
about how many extra hours of work were anticipated.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Foster agreed  that  it was  a  good question  and                                                                    
asked to hear from James Stinson from OPA.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:58:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stinson responded  that the bill was a  tool designed to                                                                    
facilitate  prosecution,  which   was  a  reasonable  policy                                                                    
decision. He did  not think it was surprising  that the bill                                                                    
would  lead  to  increased  workload for  agencies,  and  he                                                                    
elaborated  that  OPA  had evaluated  the  potential  impact                                                                    
based on the  specifics of the charge and  its connection to                                                                    
other cases. The bill would not  result in a fiscal note for                                                                    
prosecuting  agencies,  but  it   would  make  defense  more                                                                    
difficult  because  the addition  of  another  charge to  an                                                                    
assault  case   would  complicate  the  situation   for  the                                                                    
defendant.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stinson  explained  that in  domestic  violence  cases,                                                                    
facts  were often  not clear,  and charge  bargaining was  a                                                                    
routine  process. The  additional work  usually fell  on the                                                                    
defense, especially  in cases where the  defendant might not                                                                    
fully understand  the charges,  particularly in  the context                                                                    
of a  new charge like  assault in  the presence of  a child.                                                                    
The new  charge had broader implications,  as the definition                                                                    
of "presence" included not only  being seen by the child but                                                                    
also  being  heard  or  simply being  in  the  vicinity.  He                                                                    
anticipated litigation around  the broader definition, which                                                                    
led to  increased client  control issues.  Additionally, the                                                                    
consequences  for  the  defendant  could be  severe  if  the                                                                    
defendant was  charged with two domestic  violence offenses,                                                                    
which  might embolden  prosecutors  to  bring forward  cases                                                                    
that they would otherwise consider weak or dismiss.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin asked  Mr.  Stinson  to estimate  the                                                                    
number of cases  handled that were annually  and whether the                                                                    
complexity of the  new charge would lead to  more time spent                                                                    
on each case, regardless of the overall number of cases.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Stinson  replied that presently,  the charge was  not in                                                                    
state statute.  He noted that  Anchorage handled  around 250                                                                    
family  violence  charges   annually.  He  anticipated  that                                                                    
similar cases  would be charged  across the entire  state if                                                                    
the  bill were  to  pass, assuming  probable  cause for  the                                                                    
assault in the presence of a child.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Galvin  requested Mr.  Haas from  PDA provide                                                                    
additional insight on the matter.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Haas agreed  with Mr.  Stinson's comments,  adding that                                                                    
from   the   defendant's   perspective,   the   new   charge                                                                    
significantly  altered the  situation. He  pointed out  that                                                                    
adding  a misdemeanor  charge would  double the  defendant's                                                                    
potential liability, which would  complicate the defense and                                                                    
increase the work required from defense attorneys.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin  asked  how the  increased  liability                                                                    
would  be relevant  to costs  and whether  defense attorneys                                                                    
would need to adjust insurance or other measures.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Haas  explained that the  issue was not  about insurance                                                                    
but  rather  the  defendant's exposure  to  a  more  serious                                                                    
potential  sentence. If  the defendant  was  charged with  a                                                                    
single misdemeanor,  they might face  a maximum of  one year                                                                    
in jail.  However, with the addition  of another misdemeanor                                                                    
charge, the  defendant could face  up to two years  in jail,                                                                    
which  would  significantly  impact the  complexity  of  the                                                                    
case.  The new  charge would  lead to  increased efforts  by                                                                    
defense  attorneys  to  resolve  the case  and  would  raise                                                                    
additional considerations for the defendant.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson thought  that the explanations from                                                                    
Mr.  Haas and  Mr. Stinson  were impressive.  He noted  that                                                                    
there were  approximately 200  cases in  Anchorage annually,                                                                    
which represented about 40 percent  of the state's cases. He                                                                    
speculated  that  there could  be  around  250 cases  across                                                                    
Alaska with the  new statewide statute. He  added that while                                                                    
Anchorage would continue to handle  its own cases, the other                                                                    
regions  of  the  state  would now  be  dealing  with  these                                                                    
charges under the state statute.  The bill would not add any                                                                    
new cases, but it would simply  add two charges for the same                                                                    
case.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Galvin noted  that  after  hearing from  the                                                                    
court system, it felt like there  might be too much focus on                                                                    
the fiscal  impact, but after  hearing from the  sponsor, it                                                                    
made sense to her that the proposal was reasonable.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josephson  remarked that the  committee's job                                                                    
was to  thoroughly examine fiscal  notes and he  agreed that                                                                    
Representative Galvin's question was  valuable. He asked for                                                                    
the committee's  indulgence to allow  Ms. Keller  to quickly                                                                    
go through a PowerPoint presentation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:05:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA   KELLER,   STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE   ANDY   JOSEPHSON,                                                                    
introduced a  PowerPoint presentation "House Bill  11" dated                                                                    
April 30, 2024 (copy on  file). She quickly advanced through                                                                    
slides 1 through  3 and summarized the  details, noting that                                                                    
the  concept of  assault  in  the presence  of  a child  was                                                                    
derived  from the  Anchorage  Municipal  Code 8.10.050.  She                                                                    
highlighted the factors of aggravation  and mitigation in AS                                                                    
12.55.155,  which  already  addressed domestic  violence  in                                                                    
felony contexts. She advanced to  slide 4 and explained that                                                                    
the bill  was addressing  details of family  violence, which                                                                    
was a  long-standing issue,  and referred  to a  2020 report                                                                    
showing  that 19.1  percent of  adults had  been exposed  to                                                                    
intimate  partner  violence.  The violence  had  an  immense                                                                    
impact  on   children  and   their  developing   brains,  as                                                                    
indicated by Mr. Schaffer's testimony.  She also pointed out                                                                    
that  violence victimization  had  increased,  leading to  a                                                                    
larger impact on children.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Keller  continued to  slide  5,  which illustrated  the                                                                    
number of domestic violence cases  filed annually in Alaska.                                                                    
She highlighted  the percentages  on the  right side  of the                                                                    
slide, showing  an increase in  the percentages  of domestic                                                                    
violence  cases,  though  the   number  remained  high.  She                                                                    
continued  to  slide 6  of  the  presentation with  data  on                                                                    
domestic violence  charges in Anchorage, where  the majority                                                                    
of  cases were  misdemeanors, while  felonies represented  a                                                                    
much  smaller  portion.  She continued  to  slide  7,  which                                                                    
compared  family  violence   charges  statewide,  showing  a                                                                    
slight decrease  over time. Ms.  Keller noted that  in 2023,                                                                    
the number had  even decreased further, though  there was no                                                                    
slide to reference the specific point.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Keller  continued on slide 8  which included information                                                                    
on maltreatment. She moved to  slide 9 which indicated which                                                                    
states   recognized  exposure   to   domestic  violence   as                                                                    
maltreatment, including  Alaska. She  continued to  slide 10                                                                    
and  explained  that six  states  considered  it a  separate                                                                    
crime  to commit  domestic  violence in  the  presence of  a                                                                    
child.   She   noted   that   further   research   indicated                                                                    
approximately 26  states and  Puerto Rico  had some  form of                                                                    
protection for  children exposed  to domestic  violence. She                                                                    
explained  that the  ways in  which  these protections  were                                                                    
charged and enacted varied by jurisdiction.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Keller advanced  to slide  11 and  emphasized that  the                                                                    
laws  and  reactions  were  well-known  and  contributed  to                                                                    
Adverse  Childhood  Experiences  (ACE)  scores.  There  were                                                                    
observable immediate reactions  to intimate partner violence                                                                    
and  long-term  reactions. She  continued  on  slide 13  and                                                                    
explained that  prolonged exposure to domestic  violence had                                                                    
observable negative effects on  children that detrimental to                                                                    
a child's  development. She acknowledged that  while not all                                                                    
children  were "scarred  for life,"  there were  significant                                                                    
long-term  effects that  impacted  their  future lives.  She                                                                    
explained  that   children  might  have   various  reactions                                                                    
depending   on  age,   noting  that   the  responses   would                                                                    
accumulate over the course of a child's lifetime.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms.   Keller  moved   to  slide   14  and   emphasized  that                                                                    
prosecutorial discretion  played a  significant role  in how                                                                    
domestic  violence  cases  were handled.  Specifically,  the                                                                    
prosecutor  had the  ability  to decide  how  to charge  the                                                                    
offense, including how  many counts to file.  She raised the                                                                    
issue of whether to charge  one count for each child present                                                                    
in a  domestic violence  incident or  just a  single charge.                                                                    
She  relayed that  the decision  ultimately rested  with the                                                                    
prosecutor.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:09:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Foster  set an amendment  deadline for  Friday, May                                                                    
3, 2024, at 5:00 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB  11  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:10:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 11 Assault in the Presence of a Child Presentation.pptx HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 11
HB 11 Alaska Family Services Letter of Support.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 11
HB 11 Sectional Analysis.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 11
HB 11 Sponsor Statement.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 11
HB 11 WISH Letter of Support.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 11
HB 68 Sex and Human Trafficking Sectional 5.3.23.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 68
HB 68 Transmittal Letter.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 68
HB 68 Summary of Changes 5.5.23.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 68
HB068 - Public Testimony Letters of Support (submitted 03-23-23).pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 68
HB068 -Public Testimony Letters of Opposition (submitted 03-23-23).pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 68
HB 259 Public Testimony Rec'd by 042924.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 259
HB 68 Public Testimony Rec'd by 042924.pdf HFIN 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 68