Legislature(2023 - 2024)GRUENBERG 120
05/09/2023 03:00 PM House STATE AFFAIRS
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| HB157 | |
| HB4 | |
| Adjourn |
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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| *+ | HB 157 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | HB 4 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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HB 4-ELECTIONS: REPEAL RANKED CHOICE VOTING
3:17:31 PM
CHAIR SHAW announced that the final order of business would be
HOUSE BILL NO. 4, "An Act relating to elections."
3:19:23 PM
CHAIR SHAW re-opened public testimony on HB 4.
3:20:36 PM
DELAYNA WEST, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
She referenced "uninformed consent" and reiterated her support
for the bill.
3:21:13 PM
DAVE LEWIS, representing self, testified in opposition to HB 4.
He expressed support for ranked choice voting (RCV) because it
gives power of choice to the people, as opposed to the
[political] parties.
3:21:49 PM
BRENDA EDENS, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
She urged the committee to support the bill and repeal RCV.
3:22:19 PM
MARK EDENS, representing self, testified in support of HB 4 and
the repeal of RCV. He expressed the belief that the result of
the vote for the RCV initiative had been skewed by dark money.
3:22:59 PM
KATHLEEN YARR, representing self, testified in support of HB 4
and the repeal of RCV. She expressed the opinion that many
young people were confused by RCV and chose not to vote as a
result.
3:23:49 PM
DONALD THOMPSON, representing self, testified in support of HB
4. He expressed the opinion that RCV was sold as a "bill of
goods" by dark money with the claim of excluding dark money. He
expressed the belief the RCV is confusing, and it has diminished
the number of voters.
3:24:51 PM
BARBARA TYNDALL, representing self, testified in support of HB 4
and the repeal of RCV. She recounted her experience attending
the audit of Ballot Measure 2 [Top-Four Ranked Choice Voting and
Campaign Finance Laws Initiative (2020)] in Juneau, claiming
that the proposition was a "sham." She urged the passage of HB
4.
3:26:14 PM
GARY TYNDALL, representing self, testified in support of HB 4
and urged the committee to return Alaska's "election integrity."
He suggested that the public had been sold a "bill of goods" and
recounted his experience working at a polling station.
3:27:48 PM
CAROL CLAUSSON, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. She argued that it would overturn the will of the people.
She questioned why a person should vote in Alaska if the
legislature could overturn the will of the people, which she
characterized as un-American. She reported that exit polls
found RCV to be easy to understand.
3:29:01 PM
CARL BRODERSON, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4, which he characterized as a semi-veiled attempt at voter
suppression. He emphasized that RCV was still "one person one
vote," adding that the winner was still the person with the most
votes. He reported that Alaska's voter turnout trended close to
the nation's and emphasized that a signature had always been
required on mail-in ballots. Lastly, he highlighted the
difference between an exhausted ballot and a rejected ballot.
He urged the committee to respect the will of voters and to
retain RCV and open primaries.
3:30:11 PM
JOHN LETTOW, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
He recounted his experience as a poll watcher and asserted that
passage of HB 4 would demonstrate that action had been taken to
restore election integrity.
3:31:14 PM
APRIL WILSON, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. As a former professor of political science at the University
of Alaska Anchorage (UAA), he reported that open ballot RCV
reduced the problem of wedge issues, which was used by parties
to distort electoral outcomes. She said RCV ameliorated the
voting strength of single-issue voters by giving all voters the
means of avoiding (indisc.) Lastly, she characterized the bill
sponsor's assertion that most Alaskans were against RCV as
facetious. She also took exception to the claim that the
elderly do not understand RCV.
3:33:06 PM
LOU THEISS, representing self, testified in opposition to HB 4.
He recounted his experience as a poll worker, highlighting the
disenfranchisement of non-republican voters.
3:34:19 PM
PAMELA BRODIE, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. She discussed the public fear and anger fueled by highly
partisan elected officials. She expressed pride that Alaska had
returned towards peaceful relations between neighbors who
disagree politically, and she pointed out that it has allowed
friendships across party lines. She recounted her experience as
a poll worker.
3:35:50 PM
MIKE JONES, representing self, testified in support of HB 4 and
the repeal of RCV. He recalled Ballot Measure 2, asserting that
the proposition contained two separate and distinct issues. He
said it was easy to see how a person could vote for the
proposition out of concern for dark money without realizing the
subtleties and unintended consequences of RCV. He urged the
committee to eliminate RCV and restore trust in the election
process.
3:37:08 PM
EILEEN BECKER, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
She shared a personal anecdote, inferring that RCV was difficult
to understand.
3:38:43 PM
BILL MUNROE, representing self, testified in opposition to HB 4
because it would overturn the will of the people. He shared his
belief that RCV is the best way to solve radical polarization in
Alaska politics.
3:39:18 PM
GAYLE A MCCANN, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
She expressed concern that Alaska was "getting a little bit too
much of California involved" in its politics. She expressed the
desire to have RCV on the ballot for a re-vote in the next
election.
3:40:16 PM
BERT HOUGHTALING, representing self, testified in support of HB
4. He posited that the judicial branch, through a level of
corruption, prevented RCV from being a single item on the
ballot, adding that the proposition was confused by dark money.
He shared his belief that Ballot Measure 2 should not have
passed and should be repealed.
3:41:06 PM
SUE BURNSTIN, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. She stated that RCV expanded her option to vote for the most
appealing candidate, regardless of party affiliation. She urged
the legislature to give RCV a chance to succeed.
3:41:53 PM
DOUG VANPATTEN, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. He expressed the desire to have the ability to vote for the
most qualified candidate, regardless of party affiliation. He
argued that RCV has improved democracy, as elections are more
inclusive and competitive. He challenged the idea that RCV is
too complicated, concluding that HB 4 is a waste of time and
taxpayers' money.
3:43:07 PM
JAMES NELSON, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. He posited that the "proof is in the pudding" as to the
effectiveness of RCV, referencing the election of U.S.
Representative Mary Peltola.
3:44:17 PM
LUANNE NELSON, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. She emphasized that RCV was voted on and is the will of the
people. She challenged the notion that it is too difficult to
understand. She encouraged those who disliked the outcome [of
Ballot Measure 2] to propose a referendum, rather than legislate
its repeal.
3:45:16 PM
SYLVIA KIDD, representing self, testified in opposition to HB 4
and the repeal of RCV and open primaries. She pointed out that
these measures were passed as a citizen's initiative. She said
Alaska often has the courage to try new things, and she argued
that there has not been enough time to tell [whether RCV was
working or not]. She applauded the bipartisan majorities in
both the House and the Senate and concluded that RCV would
result in more representation in the government.
3:46:35 PM
TOM BOUTIN, representing self, testified in support of HB 4. He
contended that RCV has destroyed good faith in elections and
reduced voter turnout.
3:47:12 PM
SHERRY STRIZAK, representing self, testified in support of HB 4
and the repeal of RCV. She urged a return to the traditional
method of voting.
3:48:03 PM
DAVID MONSON, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4, as RCV and open primaries were adopted by the will of the
people. He asserted that the legislature should not repeal [the
people's will], and he challenged the idea that RCV is
confusing.
3:49:23 PM
MICHAEL GARHART, representing self, testified in support of HB
4. He shared his belief that RCV has left Alaska's elections
open to fraud and manipulation.
3:50:01 PM
DOMINIC SCALISE, representing self, testified in opposition to
HB 4, which he characterized as an insult against the democratic
will of the people. He disputed the idea that RCV is
challenging to understand, adding that RCV has allowed him to
vote for his preferred candidate.
3:50:53 PM
JOEL SIGMAN, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
He urged a return to paper ballots to ensure fair elections. He
questioned the use of electronics and expressed the belief that
these could be hacked and changed.
3:52:08 PM
CONSTANCE FREDENBERG, representing self, testified in opposition
to HB 4. She challenged the idea that RCV is confusing, adding
that RCV has given voters more options, while eliminating the
need for runoff elections.
3:53:11 PM
KIMBERLY NIELSEN, representing self, testified in opposition to
HB 4. She stated that RCV has been easy for her to understand.
She expressed the understanding that it has encouraged
candidates to be more bipartisan and willing to work across the
aisle. She discussed the extreme divide between republicans and
democrats, naming it as the most serious problem the country
faces.
3:55:01 PM
WILLIAM SALTONSTALL, representing self, testified in opposition
to HB 4. He expressed satisfaction with the results of RCV,
which has allowed him to vote for the candidate of his choice
from either party.
3:56:05 PM
ELIZABETH SALTONSTALL, representing self, testified in
opposition to HB 4. She said that she has found the educational
component for RCV to be complete and understandable, adding that
the system has given her the option to vote for the best
candidate.
3:56:52 PM
IAN LAING, representing self, testified in opposition to HB 4.
He posited that RCV has been the most positive and substantive
piece of election reform policy enacted in the last 10 years.
He expressed the opinion that systematic issues, such as
political polarization, has torn Alaska and the country apart
from the inside. He urged the legislature to give RCV time. He
expressed the opinion that it will create a better, more
functional democracy.
3:58:10 PM
LAURA BONNER, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. She voiced that she had voted against Ballot Measure 2;
however, she expressed appreciation that it had passed, as it
has allowed her to vote for the candidate of her choice. She
said she felt disenfranchised by the closed primary system and
disputed the need for extensive runoff elections.
3:59:20 PM
AMY MURRILS, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
She shared her belief that RCV is confusing and advised that the
state return to a paper ballot system.
4:00:11 PM
STUART SCHMUTZLER, representing self, testified in opposition to
HB 4. He pointed out that RCV was passed by a majority vote,
and he stated that he has found it to be unconscionable a
handful of legislators would attempt to overturn this. He
challenged the idea that RCV is difficult, and he reiterated
opposition to legislators overturning the will of the people.
4:01:37 PM
LINDA COURTICE, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4 on behalf of herself and her family. She opined that RCV is
simple to use, and it has provided a higher quality candidate
list to choose from, instead of the choice being made by
partisan political machines.
4:03:15 PM
CLARICE JOHNSON, representing self, testified in opposition to
HB 4. She expressed the belief that in removing RCV her voice
would be taken away, along with the voice of many Alaskans. She
stated that RCV has allowed her to consider all candidates
regardless of party affiliation. She discussed the Alaska
Republican Party ("GOP") and the recent behavior of a "prominent
Alaska Republican," which indicated to her that education is
needed now more than ever. She expressed the desire to have the
option to vote for more moderate republicans, adding that RCV
has allowed for a wide range of views to be represented.
4:04:53 PM
PAMELA CONRAD, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. She stressed that RCV was voted in by constituents. She
expressed the belief that if it needs to be repealed, it should
be put back to a popular vote. She characterized the proposed
legislation as a dishonest and deceitful way to overturn a
popular vote. She stated that she was insulted by the assertion
that RCV is too confusing. She highlighted the large pool of
independent voters in Alaska, adding that RCV has given them a
voice.
4:06:29 PM
JEANNETTE LEE, Alaska Research Director, Sightline Institute,
testified in opposition to HB 4. She asserted that RCV has not
affected the tabulation of most races, noting that every member
of the House State Affairs Standing Committee won outright in
the general election without triggering the ranking process.
She said RCV is an option that makes runoff elections
unnecessary, and this has prevented "spoilers." Returning to an
open primary, she said, has given Alaska's independent voters
more candidates to choose from. She expressed the understanding
that the results of the RCV system does not benefit one party
over another, but mirrors the majority of Alaska's voters, which
are independent with a "rightwing lean."
4:08:09 PM
BOB GRUNDERSON, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
He shared his belief that there has been more dark money in
Alaska since RCV was passed. He added that the system has
caused too much confusion, and it would split the vote if
allowed to continue.
4:09:13 PM
PAUL RADZINSKI, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. He characterized the attempt to overturn the will of the
people as undemocratic and un-Alaskan.
4:09:53 PM
WALTER FEATHERLY, representing self, testified in opposition to
HB 4. He shared his experience running for the House as a
registered nonpartisan, explaining that he was eliminated in the
second round in the RCV tabulation. He indicated that the
election of his opponent, a registered republican, demonstrates
that RCV works at least as well for republicans as it does for
all party affiliations. He opined that Ballot Measure 2 has
provided Alaskans with the independence and freedom to vote for
who they want, regardless of the candidate's party affiliation.
4:11:34 PM
MARGARET MORAN, representing self, testified in opposition to HB
4. She shared her understanding that the majority of Alaskans
who are registered as nonpartisan do not want to be forced to
choose a "particular ticket." She explained the ranked choice
process and disputed the idea that RCV is counted by an
algorithm. Instead, she shared that a computer counts the
votes. She added that it would be possible to count them by
hand if necessary.
4:13:27 PM
LIN DAVIS, representing self, testified in opposition to HB 4,
reiterating that RCV has reduced the use of extremist-wedge
issues.
4:14:22 PM
MARILYN WICK, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
She described RCV as a corrupt system of voting, as it has taken
away the constitutional right to cast one vote for one
candidate. She encouraged a return to the original two-party
primary system.
4:15:40 PM
RAYMOND WALKER, representing self, testified in support of HB 4.
He expressed opposition to the Dominion Voting Systems voting
machines and algorithms.
4:16:21 PM
SANTA CLAUS, representing self, testified in opposition to HB 4.
He argued that prior to RCV, the republican and democratic
parties monopolized the elections, controlled the primaries, and
decided who could run. Additionally, he expressed his support
for open primaries, which allows voters to choose the candidate
that best represents their values and interests. He expressed
the opinion that RCV has encouraged more candidates to run. He
reiterated his support for the proposed legislation.
CHAIR SHAW, after ascertaining that there was no one else who
wished to testify, closed public testimony on HB 4.
4:18:13 PM
REPRESENTATIVE WRIGHT moved to report HB 4 out of committee with
individual recommendations and the accompanying fiscal notes.
REPRESENTATIVE STORY objected. She explained that laws are made
by the legislature or a citizen's initiative. She expressed
unease about repealing a citizen's initiative. She expressed
opposition to moving HB 4 out of committee.
4:18:59 PM
REPRESENTATIVE ALLARD shared her belief that she was deceived by
Ballot Measure 2. Additionally, she cited a survey conducted by
the Alaska Chamber, which suggested that many people who voted
for Ballot Measure 2 also felt deceived. She opined that Ballot
Measure 2 was confusing. She expressed the belief in "one
person one vote."
REPRESENTATIVE STORY maintained her objection.
4:20:32 PM
A roll call vote was taken. Representatives Carpenter, Allard,
Wright, and Shaw voted in favor of moving HB 4 out of committee.
Representative Story voted against it. Therefore, HB 4 was
reported out of the House State Affairs Standing Committee by a
vote of 4-1.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| HB 157 ver A.PDF |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - COR - 525.6.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - DEED - 4.6.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - DFG - 54.2.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - DOT - 125.9.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - DPS - 373.6.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - FCS - 102.0.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - HEA - 2.0.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 - Fiscal Note - MVA - 0.0.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 Sponsor Statement.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |
| HB 157 Sectional Analysis.pdf |
HSTA 5/9/2023 3:00:00 PM |
HB 157 |