SENATE BILL NO. 8 "An Act allowing federally recognized tribal governments to receive contributions from permanent fund dividends." 9:04:58 AM SENATOR STEVENS, SPONSOR, spoke to SB 8. He relayed that the bill was "remarkably simple." He reported that the bill allowed federally recognized tribal governments to receive contributions from the Permanent Fund Dividends (PFD) through the popular Pick.Click.Give. program. DOUG LETCH, STAFF, SENATOR GARY STEVENS, addressed the bill. He related that the bill granted native non-profit organizations the opportunity to participate in the Pick.Click.Give. program. Currently, the program was reserved for 501(c)(3) non-profit organizations. Tribal governments were tax exempt organizations but were not designated as 501(c)(3). He elaborated that SB 8 required the Department of Revenue (DOR) to allow federally recognized tribal governments to appear on the Pick.Click.Give. eligible recipients list. Subsequently, the tribal entities would be subject to the same regulations and $250 fees currently applied to the program's participants. The idea was derived from native organizations in Kodiak. He noted letters of support in the members bill packet. The sponsor had not encountered any opposition to the bill. He reminded the committee that Since 2009, Pick.Click.Give. offered Alaskans an easier way to help hundreds of nonprofits fulfill their missions through direct contributions from their PFDs. The result was millions of dollars donated to eligible organizations over the years. The addition of federally recognized tribal governments to the list of Pick.Click.Give. recipients extended the program's reach, while opening another avenue of fundraising for these important organizations. 9:07:25 AM Co-Chair MacKinnon requested that Mr. Letch proved a sectional analysis. Mr. Letch addressed the Sectional Analysis: Section I. Adds federally recognized tribal governments to AS 43.23.062(a), allowing federally recognized tribal governments to receive contributions from permanent fund dividends. Section 2. Amends AS 43.23.062(b), requiring the department to place federally recognized tribal governments on the contribution list. Section 3. Amends AS 43.23.062(c) to state that the department may not add a federally recognized tribal government to the contribution list unless the purpose of the federally recognized tribal government meets one of the purposes listed. Section 4. Amends AS 43.23.062(d) to exempt federally recognized tribal governments from various requirements that other educational and charitable organizations must meet under the section. Section 5. Adds federally recognized tribal governments to AS 43.23.062(t), which requires an application fee to be placed on the permanent fund dividend contribution list. Section 6. Adds federally recognized tribal governments to AS 43.23.062(m), which allows the department to withhold a coordination tee from each entity that receives contributions from permanent fund dividends. Section 7. Adds new subsection (o) to AS 43.23.062 stating that a person who claims a dividend on behalf of an unemancipated minor under AS 43.23.00S(c) when the minor is the subject of an adoption or guardianship proceeding pending in a tribal court may not elect to contribute from the minor's dividend to a federally recognized tribal government under (a) of this section. 9:09:35 AM Co-Chair MacKinnon OPENED public testimony. LAURIE WOLF, PRESIDENT, FORAKER GROUP, testified in support of the bill. She articulated that the Foraker Group was a statewide nonprofit organization with the purpose to strengthening nonprofits including tribal governments across the state. The group worked with thousands of nonprofits statewide, which included small remote rural communities. The group provided education, facilitation, and planning services. She emphasized that the group was non-partisan. She had been involved in the Pick.Click.Give program since its inception. The program was implemented by the Foraker Group, Rasmussen Foundation, United Way of Anchorage, and DOR. Currently the program was run by the Alaska Community Foundation. The unique program had three goals; to grow the number of donors, to increase the amount of donations to nonprofits, and to raise awareness of the power of individual philanthropy. 9:13:01 AM Ms. Wolf continued her testimony. She reported that the "implementation partners" of the program had wanted to include tribal entities lacking 501(c)(3) status as eligible participants. She understood the impetus of the legislation was to assist tribes provide services for youth development, workforce development, arts and culture, and services for the elderly and low income individuals. She emphasized that the group was not opposed to clarifying the statutes to allow the participation of tribal governments in the program. Senator von Imhof asked about the difference between a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, which was not politically active; versus the 501(c)(4), that had the liberty to engage in political action. She asked about the designated differences and what the status of tribal organizations were. Ms. Wolf qualified that she was not an attorney and could not provide a precise definition of the terms. She acknowledged that Alaskan tribes were independent governments, and many had filed for 501(c)(3) status and some carried 501(c)(4) status. She indicated that the tribal organization was required to meet the criteria established by the program for 501(c)(3) organizations to provide human resource and service needs across the state to qualify. Regardless of their tax status the program's criteria must be met to qualify for Pick.Click.Give. under the bill. Senator von Imhof understood that the tribal organization was required to meet the fundamental criteria of a 501(c)(3) to qualify under the bill. She relayed that currently one could access the annual financial income for any 501(c)(3) nonprofit with the Form 990. She asked whether the same ability would exist with the non-501(c)(3) tribal governments that qualified for Pick.Click.Give under the bill to determine if they were good stewards of the money. Ms. Wolf was uncertain of the answer. She did not know what the filing requirements were for tribal governments. She offered to provide the information later. Co-Chair MacKinnon asked for the information to be delivered to her office for committee distribution. 9:17:35 AM MARY BISHOP, SELF, FAIRBANKS (via teleconference), spoke in opposition to the bill. She stated that while tribes were endeavoring to carry out worthwhile programs for their members, tribal governments had immunity from lawsuits for activities like misuse of funds, unless a waiver of sovereign immunity was signed. She mentioned a lawsuit between two tribes in Southeast Alaska. She believed the issue was problematic in relation to the bill. She purported that tribes in the Lower 48 were often politically active, and she saw no reason why tribal governments in Alaska would not act similarly. She thought the funds could be used for political purposes. She encouraged the sponsor to amend the legislation to avoid the stated issues. 9:19:45 AM Co-Chair MacKinnon CLOSED public testimony. Co-Chair MacKinnon asked if there was a reason that the bill was not limited to federally recognized tribes in Alaska rather than all federally recognized tribes. Senator Stevens answered in the negative. He furthered that the purpose of the bill was specifically for Alaskan tribes. He reminded the committee that the donated funds in question were from individuals that received PFDs who could choose how to distribute the funds however they desired. Co-Chair MacKinnon did not see the distinction in the bill and worried that lower 48 tribes could apply for the program. Senator Stevens stated that he had no objection to limiting the bill to Alaskan tribal governments only. Senator Olsen voiced his support of the bill. 9:21:46 AM Vice-Chair Bishop addressed the fiscal impact note, FN1 (REV), from DOR, allocated to the Permanent Fund Dividend Division which was in the amount of $9,000 in FY 19. He read from page 2 of the analysis: Additional programming will be required on the PFD application as well as the participation application as tribal governments do not have the same requirements as the other participants, nor are there search options that fit their criteria. As fees are collected, continued administrative costs will be covered. However, since AS 43.23.062(e) states that "the department may not use money from the dividend fund for administrative costs incurred in implementing this section, even if it has been appropriated for costs of administering the dividend program" a onetime amount of $9,000 will be necessary. This is an estimate of 75 hours of programming at a rate of $120 per hour. Senator von Imhof believed that non-profits that received funds from Pick.Click.Give pay a 7 percent annual administrative fee. She asked whether she was correct. SARA RACE, DIRECTOR, PERMANENT FUND DIVIDEND DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, answered in the affirmative. She informed committee members that participants in the program pay an initial $250 application fee and subsequently, 7 percent annually was withheld from contributions for administering the program. She asked if it would make sense to extend the annual fee to any native entities that enter the program via the bill. Ms. Race believed that the bill contained a provision to collect the 7 percent assessment. Senator von Imhof asked if the one-time fee was also included in the bill. Ms. Race stated that the $250 application fee was included in the legislation. Co-Chair MacKinnon appreciated the clarity. 9:25:03 AM Co-Chair MacKinnon asked whether Ms. Race wanted to provide comments on the bill. She referenced testimony that suggested tribes should currently qualify, and the bill was a clarification rather than a new provision. She also noted the testimony about tribal sovereignty and the potential difficulty in tracking how funds were spent. Ms. Race understood that not all tribal governments had 501(c)(3) status. She clarified that the tribal organizations were subject to the same fees and requirements under the bill. Therefore, from the administrative and agency standpoint the tribal organizations would be like the other organizations the program currently worked with. Co-Chair MacKinnon asked if the bill should require that tribal organizations gain 501(c)(3) status in order to participate in the program. Ms. Race felt that she should not speak to the question. Senator Micciche inquired why Co-Chair MacKinnon was asking the question. He favored the ability to check the financial records of the tribal participants. Co-Chair MacKinnon stated she was referencing the two previous speakers, one of which had suggested that the bill address the legal immunity issue. She referred to Senator von Imhof's comments about the Form 990 disclosure that 501(c)(3)nonprofits were subject to. She commented that she had asked the question to determine whether the state had legal recourse if the contributions were misused. Senator Micciche requested information regarding how many tribal organizations that could potentially participate in the program were 501(c)(3)nonprofits and how many were not. Co-Chair MacKinnon asked the sponsor to find the answer. 9:28:38 AM Senator von Imhof stated that the Pick.Click.Give program was the "brain child of the Rasmussen Foundation," of which she was a member. She emphasized that the original intent of the program was to provide money to nonprofit organizations designated by its 501(c)(3) status. Co-Chair MacKinnon asked whether the administration had a position on the bill and whether participation should extend to all federal tribes or exclusively Alaskan tribes. Ms. Race answered that the agency was neutral on the bill but believed the tribes should be Alaskan. Co-Chair MacKinnon stated that amendments to the bill were due to her office by the following Thursday at 5:00 p.m. SB 8 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further consideration.