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ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
SENATE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE
March 4, 2021
1:42 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Senator Robert Myers, Chair
Senator Mike Shower, Vice Chair
Senator Peter Micciche
Senator Jesse Kiehl
MEMBERS ABSENT
Senator Click Bishop
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
PRESENTATION: DIVISION OF MOTOR VEHICLES LOCATION TRANSITIONS
- HEARD
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):
Board of Marine Pilots
Richard Harris - Juneau
Lucas Hasenbank - Anchorage
- CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
No previous action to record
WITNESS REGISTER
KELLY TSHIBAKA, Commissioner
Department of Administration
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented a PowerPoint on the Division of
Motor Vehicles Location Transitions.
JEFFREY SCHMITZ, Director
Division of Motor Vehicles
Department of Administration
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the presentation
on the Division of Motor Vehicles Location Transitions.
RICHARD HARRIS, Appointee
Board of Marine Pilots
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Board of
Marine Pilots.
LUCAS HASENBANK, Appointee
Board of Marine Pilots
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Board of
Marine Pilots.
ACTION NARRATIVE
1:42:41 PM
CHAIR ROBERT MYERS called the Senate Transportation Standing
Committee meeting to order at 1:42 p.m. Present at the call to
order were Senators Kiehl, Shower, and Chair Myers. Senator
Micciche arrived as the meeting was in progress.
^PRESENTATION: Division of Motor Vehicles Location Transitions
PRESENTATION: Division of Motor Vehicles Location Transitions
1:43:31 PM
CHAIR MYERS announced that the business before the committee
would be a Presentation: Division of Motor Vehicles Location
Transitions.
1:44:35 PM
JEFFREY SCHMITZ, Director, Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV),
Department of Administration, Anchorage, Alaska, introduced
himself.
KELLY TSHIBAKA, Commissioner, Department of Administration,
Juneau, Alaska began a PowerPoint on the Department of
Administration (DOA)'s budget proposal to transition six DMV
offices to public-private partnerships (PPP).
[Original punctuation provided]
1:44:57 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA read the Transition Overview on slide 2:
Transition Overview
Public-Private Partnerships Will Provide Stability,
Efficiency for Local DMVs Across Alaska
The State of Alaska has a long history of successful
partnership with private-sector businesses to improve
service offerings to Alaskans
Public-private partnerships for DMVs will allow the
state to share cost burdens with a private-sector
partner, create more local jobs, improve access, and
provide faster service for Alaskans who must visit a
DMV in-person
DMV will be able to reduce leasing and overhead
expenses and also give more back to the General Fund,
addressing budget concerns and allowing for private
businesses to develop and grow in communities
No state revenues will be diminished under this plan,
as most transactions are done online and processed by
DMV employees
No jobs will be lost during this transition; only
vacant PCNs will be eliminated.
1:46:30 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA discussed in-person DMV transactions on
slide 3. She highlighted the five primary reasons why Alaskans
need to visit DMV. She offered her view that DMV staff has done
a fantastic job of digitizing many of its services. She reviewed
them:
Alaska's Division of Motor Vehicles is required by
statute to process certain transactions in-person:
Original driver license/ID issuance (every 15-16
years)
Second driver license renewal (every 15-16 years)
Senior citizen driver license renewal (every 8 years
after one turns 69)
The DMV does not yet have an online solution for these
items that are currently performed in-person at a DMV
Driver license reinstatement
Knowledge testing
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA stated that about 95 percent of DMV
transactions can be completed entirely online or via the mail.
1:47:48 PM
CHAIR MYERS asked if 95 percent was by type or volume.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA clarified that 95 percent of all
transactions could be done online.
1:48:22 PM
SENATOR KIEHL suggested that percentage is misleading based on
projecting the average number of times his family of four must
go in-person for DMV services. He estimated his family would
average 6 trips every 4 years rather than 1 time every 15-16
years.
1:49:09 PM
CHAIR MYERS expressed his concern that commercial vehicle
transactions are not listed. He said he holds a commercial
driver's license (CDL), which cannot be renewed online. CDLs are
valid for five years, he said.
1:50:07 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA remarked that the power to change statutes
rests with the legislature. She suggested the legislature could
change license renewals for seniors and non-seniors to allow
renewals by mail or online by providing doctor verifications
that their eyesight is fine.
1:50:43 PM
SENATOR SHOWER asked what historical data DMV must show that
these figures are accurate. He expressed an interest in pursuing
potential statutory changes or regulatory changes to extend
requirement timelines ever further to minimize impacts to the
public. He solicited her recommendations for changes and whether
these changes would require statutory changes or be implemented
by regulation or policy changes.
1:52:16 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered that the driver license and
senior renewals are in statute. She deferred to Mr. Schmitz to
address the data.
1:52:32 PM
MR. SCHMITZ stated that the division tracks customer trends. In
the last three years, more and more Alaskans used online
services to accomplish their DMV transactions. During the
pandemic, this trend was even more noticeable. In 2020, record
numbers of first-time users and other customers chose to use
mail and online services for DMV transactions. These trends
provide a compelling reason for the department to bring this
proposal before the committee today, he said. He stated that
electronic options provide a safe and efficient means for people
to accomplish DMV tasks such as vehicle registration.
1:53:59 PM
SENATOR SHOWER reiterated his interest in obtaining information
that supports allowing seniors to renew their licenses every 9
or 10 years to reduce the time seniors spend standing in DMV
lines.
1:55:20 PM
SENATOR KIEHL expressed an interest in obtaining data for the
three years pre-pandemic to identify how often Alaskans choose
to access DMV services online.
SENATOR SHOWER surmised that most people are unaware that many
DMV transactions can be done online. He suggested the department
should conduct public outreach to inform people about online
services.
1:56:42 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA discussed the additional fees the public-
private partnership vendors will charge consumers [referring to
a slide not in the PowerPoint presentation in members' packets].
1:57:51 PM
CHAIR MYERS pointed out this slide is missing in members'
packets.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA offered to provide it to the committee but
for now would refer to the slide shown on the screen that
members can view.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA said this slide shows the cost to
transition to a public-private vendor. She explained that a
private partner vendor would offer DMV services and charge an
additional fee for services. She directed attention to the slide
that shows transaction types, what DMV currently charges and the
fees private-partner offices [also known as UMV] charge. She
pointed out that private partner offices have the latitude to
establish their own fees for services. For example, registration
renewal fees are $110 plus tax at DMV and $132 plus tax at UMV
so the difference in fees is $22.
2:00:03 PM
SENATOR SHOWER pointed out duplicate registration fees and
identification cards are significantly more at UMVs. He has
heard concern expressed about the higher costs, especially from
seniors or others on fixed income. He asked if DMV would retain
the same fees and private partners will just add on their cost
for services. He pointed out that the additional costs would be
passed on to consumers.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered that this proposal is a creative
proposal intended to bridge the department's $2 million budget
gap without significantly changing services to Alaskans. All the
services on the list can currently be accomplished online or by
mail. One exception is real ID, which is not required by TSA
since passports, military identification, tribal identification,
or veteran's identification can be used for travel. Another
exception is the previously mentioned driver's license renewal,
which the legislature could address by statute.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA said the state would retain all the
revenue it normally would receive.
2:02:59 PM
SENATOR KIEHL said this raises the structural question of
identifying what the purpose of DMV is.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered that DMV provides core services
to Alaskans to keep roads safe and keep them moving in a manner
that provides customer interface. One way to provide services is
via public-private vendor contracts, she said.
SENATOR KIEHL disagreed. Those are important tools but DMV is a
government regulatory agency established to register and prove
ownership of vehicles, to test knowledge and skills of drivers
and to provide other public safety functions. These transactions
are essential to do that well. He wanted to get at the
governmental purpose of the additional fees via the public-
private offices. He offered his support for private business but
would like to better understand the role of a regulatory agency
creating private businesses where there were none.
2:05:18 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA said the Department of Administration
(DOA) does view this as creating businesses. DMV has had a long-
standing practice of entering into public private UMVs. Some
public-private vendors date back to the 1980s, she said. She
pointed out challenges to provide DMV services given Alaska's
size and unique communities. She reiterated DMV's role, which is
to keep roads and Alaskans safe. Instead of viewing DMV services
as a regulatory function, the department views DMV as providing
safety. DMV was previously located within the Department of
Public Safety. She offered her view that DMV is implementing
creative and innovative strategies, including its online
capabilities. DMVs proposal is to leverage its business partners
to meet DMV's mission and to reduce costs.
2:06:42 PM
SENATOR SHOWER asked for a cost comparison of fees customers pay
at the Delta Junction DMV and what UMV companies charge to
provide the same service.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA offered to provide the data.
2:07:44 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA discussed the status of transitioning six
offices to public-private partnership on slide 4.
She reported that the department has secured a private partner
UMV in Delta Junction to provide DMV services and that vendor is
willing to open an office in Tok. The department is currently
holding active discussions for qualified private partners in
Homer, Eagle River, and Valdez and is actively recruiting for
one in Hanes, she said.
2:08:43 PM
SENATOR SHOWER asked how long UMV at Delta Junction has operated
and if there is any public feedback.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA deferred to Mr. Schmitz.
MR. SCHMITZ answered that the private UMV opened in Delta
Junction in December 2020. He offered his view that it has gone
well, that no negative feedback has been received.
2:10:19 PM
SENATOR SHOWER said his constituents have asked the reason the
administration is closing DMV offices. He acknowledged that the
commissioner has indicated DMV offices are transitioning to a
UMV models. However, if offices were to close it could adversely
impact his constituents since the nearest office could entail a
six-hour drive.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA responded that the department intends to
transition to public-private offices. She said she cannot share
specific UMV vendors due to contract negotiations. However, the
department does not intend to transition or close any other DMV
offices currently.
SENATOR SHOWER asked for confirmation that none of DMV proposed
UMVs will shut down and all other DMV offices will continue to
operate. He related his understanding that under the proposal
six DMV offices will transition to public-private UMVs.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered that the department only has the
authority to operate or not operate DMVs. Although DOA is
actively working to transition DMVs to private-partner UMVs, the
department cannot force a private sector business to open an
office. However, DOA can be strategic in choosing locations that
are attractive to businesses. This is what it has done when
selecting these six locations and why the department has been
successful in its negotiations, she said.
2:14:25 PM
SENATOR SHOWER asked if the department has an alternate plan for
providing services if the department closes a DMV office and the
public-private UMV contract falls through.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA explained that technically the DOA plans
close the six DMV offices and transition to public-private UMVs.
However, Delta Junction has already transitioned to a public-
private UMV. She reiterated that the Delta Junction UMV is also
ready to open an office in Tok. If something were to fall
through, the department would recruit the next vendor on the
list, she said.
2:16:06 PM
SENATOR SHOWER asked if all the potential vendors declined to
enter into public-private UMV contracts, whether the department
could reopen DMVs. He expressed concern about the Valdez DMV
office.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA responded that the department could
consider reopening the Valdez DMV office.
2:17:12 PM
SENATOR KIEHL recalled that the commissioner selected the
locations due to their high chance of success. He pointed out
that these six sites are "midrange" size DMVs in terms of the
population served. He asked whether the department would have
better success by opening UMVs to serve Alaska's larger cities.
If UMVs do not create inconveniences to Alaskans, the department
should consider transitioning the Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau,
Ketchikan, and Bethel offices to private-public UMVs.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA pointed out that some UMVs currently
operate alongside DMVs in the larger cities. She stated that the
private-partner UMV locations were selected because the
communities were on a transportation hub system, had good
internet capability, and the leases were expiring. If an office
did not open, residents could drive to another hub.
2:19:07 PM
SENATOR KIEHL suggested her response provided the rationale for
why the department did not select smaller towns. However, he
would like the rationale the department used to select midrange
offices rather than larger cities, since Anchorage and Fairbanks
are Railbelt cities with reliable internet capabilities.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered that the department considered
the number of transactions and what could be done online. She
pointed out that Eagle River is a significant-sized community on
the list. The department wanted to start with somewhat smaller
communities but she expressed a willingness to consider other
locations.
2:21:02 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA discussed the commercial drivers in
Tok on slide 5:
Tok serves as a commercial permitting hub for
commercial drivers entering Alaska from Canada. This
proposal provides options for those drivers to obtain
proper permits.
Drivers who enter Tok and are not able to access the
DMV can continue to Delta Junction or Glenallen, or
check in at the Tok Weigh Station to obtain permits
Tok Weigh Station Hours (insert open hours)
Commercial truckers can purchase a 30- day temporary
registration for $350 from DOT online
2:21:58 PM
CHAIR MYERS said he holds a commercial driver's license. He
disagreed that drivers who enter Tok and are not able to access
the DMV can continue to Delta Junction or Glenallen. He said the
Tok weigh station enforcement officer would cite and fine him if
he proceeded to Delta Junction for DMV services to be compliant.
He offered his view that this would likely change the
relationship between drivers and commercial enforcement officers
from one of assisting driver compliance to a more punitive one.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA asked for clarification on how commercial
vehicle enforcement and DMV currently works in Tok.
CHAIR MYERS answered that if a commercial driver arrived at the
Tok weigh station at 5 a.m. and needed CDL or vehicle services,
the driver could wait until DMV opened and remedy the issue. If
drivers do not bypass the scales, the commercial enforcement
officers would be amenable. It might mean the driver would need
to disconnect the trailer or find a ride from the weigh station
to DMV to get the registration issue resolved. However, it would
create an issue if the driver needed to drive to Glenallen or
Delta Junction for DMV services.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA highlighted that DOA would need to
coordinate this with the Department of Transportation and Public
Facilities (DOTPF) during the transition to public-private UMVs.
2:25:00 PM
CHAIR MYERS asked for a list of commercial vehicle violations
that could be addressed at DMV but not online.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA offered to research this and report back
to the committee.
2:25:29 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA reviewed DMV service types provided in
FY18 to FY20 on slide 6, which read:
Vast majority of transactions are completed online,
processed by DMV in Anchorage
For transactions that can be done online OR in-person,
costs are the same to Alaskans
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA continued to review DMV service types
provided in FY18 to FY20 on slide 6, which read:
DOA is open to legislative proposals to further reduce
in-person transactions
She referred to the pie chart 57 percent, 38 percent,
5 percent.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA offered to provide the committee with more
detailed information if needed.
2:26:24 PM
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA reviewed the proportions of the population
served in the six proposed public-private UMV communities on
slide 7.
2:26:51 PM
SENATOR MICCICHE joined the meeting.
SENATOR MICCICHE pointed out a certain percentage of the
population lacks online access, that some people face
generational issues and others avoid the internet. He asked how
this proposal will affect those people. He referred to her
statistics, that 83 to 95 percent of DMV transactions could be
done online or via the mail. He asked whether the department
factored in those who lack online access or have generational
issues and cannot easily use online or mail services.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered that people who do not want to
use the internet can execute their transaction through the mail
or could use the call center to assist them. For example, the
call center could send them a form via the US Postal Service
(USPS).
2:28:19 PM
SENATOR MICCICHE asked if senior citizens in Homer can renew
their licenses or take knowledge tests online.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered that it would depend on their
ages. It would take a statute change to allow some seniors to
use online or mail transactions. A doctor could evaluate the
person's ability to drive and issue a statement that the elder
person could drive.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA reported that some states have piloted
online knowledge testing. The department seeks to ensure that
people do not take "open book" knowledge tests. The department
is discussing how to offer remote knowledge testing in ways that
will ensure drivers assimilate the material to keep roads safe.
2:29:47 PM
SENATOR MICCICHE commented that Soldotna has two private
options. He was unsure whether any options exist for Homer. He
asked if the department evaluated the distances that people
would need to travel to obtain testing.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA answered yes. She said that she is
highlighting the public-private proposal, but no decision to
close the offices has been made. She reported that the
department is currently in the process of finalizing a contract
with a public-private partner for Homer.
2:31:28 PM
SENATOR KIEHL pointed out that the Haines population figures
were off by about 50 percent. The department may have used only
the city population and not the borough. He asked for the pre-
pandemic data for in-person transactions since in-person
transactions were down in 2020 during the pandemic.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA offered to research this and report back
to the committee.
2:32:30 PM
SENATOR SHOWER pointed out that the Delta Junction population is
closer to 4,000. He expressed interest in knowing any
regulations that were cancelled during the pandemic.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA offered to research this and report back
to the committee.
2:33:51 PM
CHAIR MYERS suggested that rather than use public-private
partnership vendors, the department should consider DMV sharing
office space with the Alaska State Troopers since the six
proposed UMV locations currently have trooper stations. Further,
DMV was previously located within DPS, so consolidating the
offices could save money.
COMMISSIONER TSHIBAKA responded that this option would not save
money since the funding would come from two different
departments. She recalled thinking of DOA's alignment. The
department held discussions with DPS about restoring DMV within
the agency, but it was not workable, so DOA considered how to
best serve Alaskans but still address the budget concerns. The
DOA has other ideas about modernization and digitization of
services it can share. Right now, the department is focusing on
its proposal to develop public-private UVMs in six communities.
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)
Board of Marine Pilots
2:37:30 PM
CHAIR MYERS announced that the business before the committee
would be Confirmation Hearings for the appointees to the Board
of Marine Pilots.
2:38:03 PM
RICHARD HARRIS, Appointee, Board of Marine Pilots, Department of
Commerce, Community and Economic Development (DCCED), Anchorage,
Alaska, stated he is seeking reappointment to the board. He
provided his background, including that he served in the United
States Army and he earned a Bachelor of Science in Fisheries
from the University of Washington. He served as a project
manager for Southeast Regional Aquaculture Association, working
on salmon enhancement programs. In 1980, he began working for
Sealaska Corporation, holding various positions, including
Environmental Manager, Senior Vice President and Executive Vice-
President. He stated that he has extensive experience in natural
resource management and public policy development. Although he
is not a marine pilot, he understands their requirements since
Sealaska Corporation chartered ships and marine pilots were a
vital part of the process to ship logs to worldwide markets.
MR. HARRIS said he brings to the board his knowledge of marine
pilots and their role in facilitating commerce and safe passage
of cargo and cruise vessels. His family worked in the cruise
ship industry so he has a familiarity with the industry. As the
public member on the board, he works to ensure Alaska residents
of the rigorous control and safe passage of vessels throughout
Southeast Alaska waters.
2:42:12 PM
SENATOR KIEHL asked for his perspective on any issues the
legislature should address.
MR. HARRIS highlighted that marine pilots must pay for their
initial training out of pocket. He explained that marine pilots
have historically been given special fares or free staterooms
and passage on the Alaska Marine Highway System (AMHS) vessels.
This access has given marine pilots experience in many ports
that differs from cargo or cruise ships. Since AMHS has reduced
its services, it has terminated those benefits to pilots in
training. He said he hoped these benefits could be restored to
make it easier for marine pilots to obtain their licenses.
MR. HARRIS reported that the Board of Marine Pilots has changed
some regulations and the legislature has updated some statutes
related to marine pilots. He said COVID-19 has adversely
impacted marine pilots since the cruise industry shut down.
However, the marine pilots are ready to resume work and provide
services once the industry resumes service.
2:44:30 PM
SENATOR SHOWER stated he asks the same questions for all
appointees to Boards and Commission for the record. He asked
whether there was anything in his background that would create
any ethical issues, such as arrests, criminal convictions or
anything that could be construed as "skeletons in his closet."
MR. HARRIS said he has no issues to report.
2:46:00 PM
LUCAS HASENBANK, Appointee, Board of Marine Pilots, Department
of Commerce, Community and Economic Development (DCCED),
Anchorage, Alaska, said he has worked for the Alaska Maritime
Agency and in maritime for 18 years. He provided his background,
stating he came to Alaska after receiving his Master of Business
Administration from the University of South Dakota in 2002. His
company acts as ship agents, providing the direct interface with
all foreign-flagged ships, such as cruise ships or tankers. Ship
agents work to ensure that ships are following state, federal,
and pilot regulations. He regularly communicates this
information to marine pilots so he has a direct relationship
with the pilot associations. He has also served as port agent
for four years at the Cook Inlet Harbor Safety Committee and
represents the Alaska State Chamber of Commerce on the Prince
William Sound Citizens Awareness Council.
MR. HASENBANK said he has attended the Board of Marine Pilot
meetings for a decade. He said he would like to serve on the
board because it provides safety to his company and Alaskans. He
described his experience and familiarity with foreign tanker
regulations as a good fit with the board. He has no arrests, no
tickets, and no inappropriate social media.
2:49:41 PM
SENATOR MICCICHE disclosed that he serves as the president of
the Cook Inlet Harbor Safety Committee which Mr. Hasenbank
serves as an agent representative. He also asked if his lack of
technical pilotage background has any impediment on his service
on the board.
MR. HASENBANK replied that would serve as the industry and
agency representative, not as a mariner so he does not need
pilotage expertise. However, he has 18 years of experience
bringing in tankers and vessels in so he understands the federal
regulations. His company provides information on winter
operating guidelines to all vessels before the ships enter Cook
Inlet. This technical information is compiled from the US Coast
Guard, marine pilots and local stakeholders and provides vessels
with a basic understanding of what requirements they must adhere
to in Alaska. He communicates with the vessel operators and if
they have any questions he acts as a liaison to provide the
information.
2:52:12 PM
CHAIR MYERS, after first determining no one wished to testify,
closed public testimony on the confirmation hearings for Richard
Harris and Lucas Hasenbank.
2:52:46 PM
SENATOR SHOWER stated that in accordance with AS 39.05.080, the
Senate Transportation Committee reviewed the following and
recommends the appointments be forwarded to a joint session for
consideration:
Board of Marine Pilots
Lucas Hasenbank - Anchorage
Richard Harris - Juneau
Signing the reports regarding appointments to boards and
commissions in no way reflects individual members' approval or
disapproval of the appointees; the nominations are merely
forwarded to the full legislature for confirmation or rejection.
2:53:11 PM
At ease
2:54:07 PM
CHAIR MYERS reconvened the meeting.
2:54:40 PM
There being no further business to come before the committee,
Chair Myers adjourned the Senate Transportation Standing
Committee meeting at 2:54 p.m.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| DOA DMV Transition 3.4.pdf |
STRA 3/4/2021 1:30:00 PM |
|
| Lucas Hasenbank Board Application.pdf |
STRA 3/4/2021 1:30:00 PM |
Board of Marine Pilots |
| Richard Harris Resume.pdf |
STRA 3/4/2021 1:30:00 PM |
Board of Marine Pilots |