Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/30/1998 02:12 PM Senate TRA

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           SENATE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE                                     
                    April 30, 1998                                             
                      2:12 p.m.                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                
Senator Gary Wilken, Vice Chair                                                
Senator Lyda Green                                                             
Senator Rick Halford                                                           
Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                     
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                 
Senator Jerry Ward, Chairman                                                   
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                             
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 361(TRA) am                                              
"An Act relating to private maintenance of state highways."                    
     - MOVED SCSCSHB 361(TRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                 
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 343(TRA)                                                 
"An Act excluding certain motor vehicles from the definition of                
commercial motor vehicle."                                                     
     - MOVED SCSCSHB 343(TRA)OUT OF COMMITTEE                                  
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 386(FIN)                                                 
"An Act relating to the financing authority, programs, operations,             
and projects of the Alaska Industrial Development and Export                   
Authority; and providing for an effective date."                               
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                          
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 67                                                  
Relating to renewal of the bilateral aviation agreement concerning             
the mandatory Anchorage stopover for Russian carriers on                       
transpacific routes between the Russian Far East and the United                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                          
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 63                                                  
Relating to support for Mitchell Field Adak airport.                           
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                          
PREVIOUS SENATE ACTION                                                         
HB 361 - No previous Senate committee action.                                  
HB 343 - No previous Senate committee action.                                  
HB 386 - See Transportation minutes dated 4/28/98.                             
HJR 67 - No previous Senate committee action.                                  
HJR 62 - No previous Senate committee action.                                  
WITNESS REGISTER                                                               
Representative Beverly Masek                                                   
Alaska State Capitol                                                           
Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor of HB 361                                         
Dennis Poshard                                                                 
Special Assistant                                                              
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                             
3132 Channel Drive                                                             
Juneau, Alaska  99801-7898                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports HB 361                                           
Barbara Huff-Tuckness                                                          
Teamsters Local 959                                                            
520 E 34th                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed to HB 343                                         
John Walsh                                                                     
City of Whittier                                                               
P.O. Box 240952                                                                
Douglas, Alaska  99824                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports and described the Whittier Access                
Keith Laufer                                                                   
480 West Tudor                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Stated he was available to answer questions               
Katelyn Markley                                                                
480 West Tudor                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska  99503                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Stated she was available to answer questions              
Irene Shields                                                                  
Legislative Aide to Representative Williams                                    
Alaska State Capitol                                                           
Juneau, Alaska  99801-1182                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified for the sponsor of HJR 67                       
Rhonda Thompson                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports HJR 67                                           
Bryce Edgmon                                                                   
Legislative Aide to Representative Moses                                       
Alaska State Capitol                                                           
Juneau, Alaska  99081-1182                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified for sponsor of HJR 63                           
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                               
TAPE 98-10, SIDE A                                                             
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN called the Senate Transportation Committee                   
meeting to order at 2:12 p.m. and recognized the absence of Senator            
Ward.  Present were Senators Green, Lincoln, Halford and Vice-Chair            
Wilken.  The first order of business before the committee was HB
    CSHB 361(TRA) am - PRIVATE MAINTENANCE OF STATE HIGHWAY                    
SENATOR GREEN moved to adopt SCSCSHB 361(HES), version B, as the               
working document before the committee.  There being no objection,              
the motion carried.                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE BEVERLY MASEK, sponsor of HB 361, gave the following            
overview of the measure.  HB 361 was introduced to resolve a                   
conflict over private maintenance of state owned highways.                     
Currently it is difficult at best for the Department of                        
Transportation and Public Facilities (DOTPF) to deal with private              
parties that undertake the maintenance of state highways where the             
state has ceased maintenance operations during winter months.  HB
361 is not intended to keep private parties from maintaining state             
highways; the purpose is to ensure that the proper tools are in                
place so that maintenance conforms to standards necessary to                   
protect the public.  HB 361 gives DOTPF clear statutory authority              
to regulate such activities.  This bill was prompted by an incident            
in the Mat-Su/Petersville Road area.  A mining company began                   
plowing the road and the residents in the area complained that not             
enough snow was left on the highway for snow machine use so that               
people could get to their cabins.  The mining company was plowing              
the road down to gravel, and a lodge owner began blocking the                  
plows.  HB 361 applies to state highways, not state roads.                     
Number 105                                                                     
SENATOR HALFORD questioned whether this bill might work the wrong              
way.  The language provides for two lanes of travel, and if two                
lanes are not feasible, pull outs at regular intervals to aid the              
flow of traffic, and for parking areas at regular intervals to                 
allow public access to public lands adjacent to the highway.  He               
thought Representative Masek's goal was to provide multiple-                   
vehicular access.  He noted if a road is plowed two-lanes wide,                
there will be no room to run a snowmachine.  If only one lane is               
plowed, then snowmachines will be able to use the road.                        
REPRESENTATIVE MASEK thought Senator Halford was referring to the              
Denali Highway.  She stated the plowing on the Petersville Road was            
done in such a manner that all of the snow was removed.  She                   
believed DOTPF would view each road differently.                               
SENATOR HALFORD maintained the language in the bill says, "shall,              
to the maximum extent feasible, provide for two lanes of travel,               
and if two lanes are not available, pull outs at regular                       
intervals...."  He suggested the bill not specify two lanes of                 
travel because leaving snow on one lane would resolve the problem.             
He repeated his suggestion that the language allow for multiple                
vehicular access, rather than require two lanes of travel.                     
Number 154                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE MASEK indicated language on line 6 says, "or, if two            
lanes are not feasible, pull outs at regular intervals to aid the              
flow of two-way traffic."  She maintained the bill does not require            
that two lanes be kept open.                                                   
SENATOR HALFORD felt the word "feasible" would be interpreted to               
view the situation from an economic standpoint.  He repeated the               
intent of the new section could be accomplished by removing the                
provision for two lanes of travel or pullouts, and instead provide             
for multiple vehicle-type access.  He added the bill should not                
allow huge berms to be built.                                                  
REPRESENTATIVE MASEK noted berms are a problem on the Petersville              
Road because of the snow conditions.  She said she understood                  
Senator Halford's point, but could not imagine problems would occur            
if the road was not plowed down to gravel.                                     
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN asked Senator Halford to present a proposed                  
amendment to Representative Masek for later consideration.                     
Number 196                                                                     
DENNIS POSHARD, Special Assistant at DOTPF, stated the department              
supports HB 361 as it encourages anyone willing to maintain a                  
section of a state highway to do so.  This bill would only apply to            
roads that DOTPF has chosen not to maintain during the winter.                 
DOTPF requested the bill be amended in a House committee to require            
written approval from DOTPF prior to maintenance, so that DOTPF can            
keep track of what activities are taking place.                                
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN asked Mr. Poshard to comment on Senator Halford's            
MR. POSHARD did not think DOTPF would have a problem with the                  
intent of Senator Halford's suggestion but without seeing the                  
specific language he could not state DOTPF support or opposition.              
SENATOR LINCOLN stated her concern about the bill is that she does             
not want DOTPF to use this legislation to stop maintenance                     
operations on certain roads during winter months.                              
MR. POSHARD said he appreciates Senator Lincoln's concern, and                 
assured her DOTPF does not view this legislation as an excuse to               
stop road maintenance.  DOTPF views this legislation as an option              
to use on roads that are not currently maintained during the                   
SENATOR GREEN asked if a current prohibition exists against private            
maintenance of state highways.                                                 
MR. POSHARD replied he did not know the answer to that question.               
He believed problems have occurred with private maintenance in that            
state roads not plowed to a standard DOTPF considers to be                     
acceptable have created a safety risk for travelers expecting                  
better road conditions.                                                        
SENATOR GREEN asked, if she lived at the end of a road that was not            
maintained in the winter, and her only goal was to get from the                
maintained road to her home, whether she would have to plow to a               
standard comparable to DOTPF's if HB 361 passes.                               
MR. POSHARD answered that would not be the case if she was merely              
traveling the road for her own purpose.  DOTPF would not limit                 
anyone's personal use of a state road.                                         
Nu9mber 261                                                                    
SENATOR GREEN asked how personal use maintenance would differ.  She            
asked if she plowed a state highway during a snow storm so that she            
could get home, whether different maintenance standards would                  
MR. POSHARD said he was not aware of any.                                      
SENATOR HALFORD noted the House version required written approval              
from DOTPF before maintenance could occur but that provision is not            
included in version B.                                                         
MR. POSHARD indicated DOTPF requested that written approval be                 
required because it wanted to know what maintenance was taking                 
place on state roads to ensure that damage was not occurring and               
that maintenance was done to an adequate standard.                             
REPRESENTATIVE MASEK stated she was not opposed to the conceptual              
changes requested by Senator Halford.                                          
SENATOR HALFORD moved to delete line 7 and line 8 to the word                  
"allow" and to insert, after the words "provide for" on line 6, the            
language "multiple type vehicle access to allow public access to               
public lands adjacent to the state highway."  He noted private and             
public lands are assumed.                                                      
SENATOR LINCOLN objected to the motion and asked for clarification             
of what that change will do.                                                   
SENATOR HALFORD indicated the problem will not be resolved by                  
plowing some of the roads two lanes wide.  People who want to                  
maintain a road do not want to be in a position to only be able to             
do so if they plow the road two lanes wide.  If a person plowed                
with a CAT, a tunnel would be created in high drift areas.  He                 
stated it is his intention to give DOTPF the ability to require                
that berms be knocked down every 300 feet so that people can get in            
and out, or that the road not be plowed all of the way down to                 
gravel, or to come up with a plan that will allow several types of             
vehicles to use the road.                                                      
SENATOR LINCOLN removed her objection.  There being no further                 
discussion, the motion carried.                                                
SENATOR LINCOLN stated without any notification to, or approval                
from, DOTPF, anyone can maintain a state highway in any way they               
want and will not be liable for any damage or injury to users of               
the road.  She questioned the intent of the legislation if it                  
allows the general public to plow any state highway in any way they            
want if the state does not maintain the road.                                  
Number 346                                                                     
SENATOR HALFORD did not think the bill provides for immunity from              
liability either for damages or from a third party suit.  The bill             
does maintain that the state is not liable for the actions of                  
another person.  It will not prohibit liability for the private                
person doing the maintenance if the road is damaged or a third                 
party sues for injury.                                                         
MR. POSHARD agreed and added the House Transportation Committee                
voted against a proposed amendment that would have exempted the                
party responsible for maintaining the road from liability.                     
SENATOR HALFORD noted the road closure would be posted.                        
REPRESENTATIVE MASEK respectfully asked committee members to pass              
the bill out of committee.                                                     
SENATOR HALFORD moved SCSCSHB 361(TRA) out of committee with                   
individual recommendations and its accompanying fiscal notes.                  
SENATOR LINCOLN objected because she believed DOTPF should be                  
notified of, and approve, private maintenance.                                 
SENATOR HALFORD pointed out the status quo is no oversight on the              
part of DOTPF.                                                                 
The motion carried with Senators Halford, Wilken, and Green voting             
in favor, and Senator Lincoln voting against.                                  
REPRESENTATIVE GARY DAVIS, sponsor of HB 343, explained the bill               
exempts an operator of a commercial vehicle, who is relocating the             
vehicle from the principal place of business to a job site within              
a 150 mile radius, from the commercial driver's license                        
requirement.  Federal law does not require operators of off road               
vehicles, not being used for a transportation purpose, to have a               
commercial driver's license;  Representative Davis believed this               
provision was inadvertently omitted from state statute.  The focus             
of the bill is narrow as it only applies to operators of loaders,              
motor graders, paving machines, and any vehicle over 16,000 pounds.            
SENATOR HALFORD agreed with Representative Davis' purpose, but                 
questioned how HB 343 will apply to a company that contracts to                
pave an unconnected road more than 150 miles away, such as the                 
Naknek-King Salmon Road.  He also asked if DOTPF supports the bill.            
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS said DOTPF supports the bill.                             
SENATOR HALFORD asked if DOTPF would support the bill without the              
150 mile radius limit or with that limit if connected by road.                 
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS thought Senator Halford's point about remote              
sites was well taken and should be given consideration.  He                    
discussed another scenario that would not be covered by HB 343, in             
which a company might barge equipment to Seward from Southeast and             
then transport the equipment by road.  He repeated this bill is                
very narrow in its focus.                                                      
Number 436                                                                     
SENATOR HALFORD asked what DOTPF's position has been, and what the             
federal law requires.  He questioned whether the owner's principal             
place of business could be changed to the community where the job              
site is located.                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS said the federal regulations used by the state            
to establish its statute related to requirements for commercial                
drivers licenses.  The federal law required that commercial drivers            
license regulations address the issue of an operator's job function            
rather than job title.                                                         
SENATOR HALFORD moved to change the phrase "owner's principal place            
of business" to "owner's principal job office" to specify the                  
office of a particular project.                                                
SENATOR GREEN suggested leaving the existing language as is but                
adding the words, "or project office."                                         
Number 472                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS stated his agreement with the proposed                    
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN noted without objection, the proposed amendment              
was adopted.                                                                   
Number 482                                                                     
BARBARA HUFF-TUCKNESS, representing Teamsters Local 959, made the              
following comments in opposition to HB 343 via teleconference. If              
HB 343 applied to individuals qualified to drive particular types              
of equipment over 26,000 pounds, the Teamsters would not oppose                
this bill.  The Teamsters' concern is that many of its workers are             
required to possess a commercial drivers license (CDL) for several             
purposes.  A CDL requires a driver to be trained to operate a                  
particular piece of equipment under certain conditions and to know             
the permitting process.  The fact that HB 343 will not require an              
operator driving a vehicle weighing over 26,000 pounds to have a               
CDL does not preclude the requirement for a temporary permit in the            
movement of commercial vehicles on a public highway.  Second, the              
Teamsters Local 959 represents members who load and unload cargo at            
the Port of Anchorage.  Various types of equipment move in and out             
of the shipyards quickly to enable the barges to get back on the               
waterways.  All Teamsters in that area are required to have a CDL              
even though there is a public highway between the Sealand and Tote             
(ph) yards and the ship area.   The Teamsters believe that operator            
standards should be required for safety reasons because a lot of               
public traffic will be using that area.  Current regulation allows             
for "incidental" movement without a CDL, which has been interpreted            
by the Teamsters to mean crossing a public roadway by happen chance            
but not actually putting a vehicle right in the midst of a public              
roadway. MS. HUFF-TUCKNESS repeated that operators need to meet                
certain standards in order to ensure the protection of the public.             
Number 552                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS advised that most of the Teamsters' concerns              
have been taken care of.  Regarding operations around ports,                   
federal regulations indicate that the exclusions in HB 343 are not             
allowable when commercial vehicles are moved in the furtherance of             
a transportation purpose, therefore operators of large loaders                 
unloading cargo from ships would not be exempted from the CDL                  
requirement.  He suggested if HB 343 is amended to include the same            
transportation purpose, a definition will need to be included.                 
Representative Davis explained nothing in HB 343 releases the                  
permitting requirement for over width or overweight vehicles                   
traveling on the highways.  Those vehicles will need a permit as               
well as pilot vehicles and proper flagging equipment.  Regarding               
the safety concerns expressed by Ms. Huff-Tuckness, drivers taking             
the CDL test drive trucks when being tested, not specialized                   
equipment.  No part of the CDL test requires the applicant to show             
proficiency in operating this type of equipment.  The problem of               
crossing traffic does count: an operator crossing the highway from             
one gravel pit to another could be stopped by a police officer and             
ticketed for not having a CDL; HB 343 is intended to correct that              
situation.  The 150 mile limit is arbitrary and was plagiarized                
from the agricultural vehicle regulations; it was included so that             
some restrictions would apply.                                                 
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN asked Ms. Hensley if deleting the 150 mile radius            
provision will conflict with federal regulations.                              
SENATOR HALFORD thought that question was resolved by adding the               
job office language.   He explained to Ms. Hensley that phrase was             
added to cover the movement of vehicles barged to remote projects.             
TAPE 98-10, SIDE B                                                             
JUANITA HENSLEY, Chief of the Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV),                
Department of Administration, replied from a safety standpoint,                
driving special mobile equipment on public highways will create a              
danger but from a driver licensing standpoint, the provision will              
not conflict with the federal Driver License Act.  She added an                
applicant for a CDL must meet a minimum age requirement.  She noted            
the 150 mile radius provision also raises safety concerns.                     
SENATOR HALFORD responded his concern was not with the 150 mile                
limit, it was with the principal office.                                       
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN noted by the definition of special mobile                    
equipment under Title 13, one could not drive any of those vehicles            
very far.                                                                      
SENATOR HALFORD stated the equipment cannot be designed for                    
transportation of passengers or property on a highway, therefore               
one can assume this equipment cannot be licensed for highway use.              
MS. HENSLEY indicated the equipment is not safe for regular travel             
on the roadway because of weight and safety concerns.                          
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN stated page 2 of the sponsor statement contains              
a list of the kinds of special mobile equipment.                               
Number 558                                                                     
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS stated the purpose of the permitting process              
is to address safety concerns to the extent possible.                          
SENATOR HALFORD pointed out three or four bills in the Legislature             
deal with motor vehicle issues: the definition of commercial motor             
vehicles; power units; trailers; and weight limitations.  Some of              
the legislation amends other legislation in the process.  He                   
questioned whether the order of action on the bills will have the              
affect of repealing the first bills signed by the Governor.                    
REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS replied he ran into that problem when drafting            
this legislation and attempted to use language in this bill                    
consistent with that used by DMV.                                              
SENATOR GREEN clarified that the order in which the bills are                  
transmitted to the Governor is the key to whether the provisions of            
any of the bills will negate the others.                                       
SENATOR HALFORD asked the sponsor to check the other pieces of                 
legislation to determine whether the bill will require a floor                 
Number 522                                                                     
SENATOR GREEN moved SCSCSHB 343(TRA) from committee with individual            
recommendations.  There being no objection, the motion carried.                
    CSHB 386(FIN) - RE AK INDUS. DEVELOP & EXPORT AUTHORITY                    
SENATOR GREEN moved to adopt SCSCSHB 386(TRA), version K, as the               
working document before the committee.                                         
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN informed committee members the change on page 6              
addresses Senator Halford's concerns about access to confidential              
MR. JOE FIELDS stated he was available to answer questions via                 
MR. KEITH LAUFER and MS. KATELYN MARKELY of AIDEA noted they were              
available to answer questions via teleconference.                              
MR. MIKE SCOTT, Mat-Su Borough Manager, stated he was available to             
answer questions and supports the version of the bill under                    
Number 491                                                                     
SENATOR HALFORD expressed concern that version K still provides for            
confidentiality of credit reports from consumer reporting agencies,            
and other credit information.  He emphasized that when a business              
applies for money from a government, it should agree to public                 
review of financial information as long as the information is not              
to be used in an anti-competitive manner.  He added the Legislature            
should be able to access the confidential items listed in the bill,            
provided legislators swear to keep the information confidential.               
AIDEA wanted to change the list to delete one of the items he had              
a concern with, and to add a section allowing legislators access to            
confidential information.  Senator Halford thought both of those               
changes should be part of the committee substitute.                            
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN informed Mr. Laufer that Senator Halford was                 
suggesting that lines 1 and 2 on page 7 be deleted.                            
KEITH LAUFER, Financial and Legal Affairs Manager for AIDEA,                   
pointed out that a provision allowing legislators to access                    
confidential information was included in the committee substitute              
in Section D.  Regarding credit reports, AIDEA believes that the               
federal Fair Credit Reporting Act prohibits release of that                    
information, which is covered by item 7.                                       
SENATOR HALFORD moved to delete item number 4, on lines 1-2 on page            
2, recognizing that part is covered by federal law.  There being no            
objection, the motion carried.                                                 
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN informed committee members the second change to              
the bill is the addition of the harbor facilities project for the              
City of Whittier, beginning at the bottom of page 13.                          
Number 450                                                                     
JOHN WALSH, a lobbyist for the City of Whittier, made the following            
comments.  The City of Whittier is soon to become a major access               
point for travel around Prince William Sound.  The Whittier access             
project is nearing completion, and has entailed expanding the train            
tunnel to accommodate vehicle traffic.  Phase 1 of the project is              
near completion; it will provide for travel from the Portage                   
Visitor Center to Bear Creek.  DOTPF has received two bids for                 
Phase 2 which will expand the main tunnel.  Phase 3 will include               
moderate road improvements on the Whittier side to allow access to             
the marine terminal.  As soon as this project is completed, DOTPF              
anticipates the number of annual visitors to increase to 875,000,              
and within five years to 1.4 million.  Many of the visitors will be            
Alaska residents who will recreate in Prince William Sound.  The               
moorage capacity at Whittier is about 340 vessels, and there is a              
current waiting list of over 700.  The City of Whittier desperately            
needs to consider harbor expansion; the inclusion of that project              
in this bill is a major step in that direction.                                
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                            
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN informed participants an attempt was being made              
to contact Senator Ward.                                                       
             HJR 67 - AIR FLIGHTS RUSSIAN FAR EAST                             
IRENE SHIELDS, staff to Representative Williams, sponsor of HJR 67,            
read the sponsor statement.  HJR 67 urges the U.S. Department of               
Transportation to negotiate renewal of the bilateral agreement to              
retain the mandatory stopover in Anchorage for the trans-Pacific               
flights between the Russian Far East and the U.S.  The current                 
bilateral agreement is due to expire in May of 1998.  The                      
continuation of mandatory stopovers of Russian air carriers is                 
important to preserve the position of Anchorage as the American                
gateway to the Russian Far East.  Alaska has established agreements            
with many cities and territories in the Russian Far East to help               
with their transition into the market based economy.                           
Discontinuation of direct Alaskan air service will severely hamper             
these efforts.  Absent the agreement, Anchorage International                  
Airport could experience an additional decline in international air            
traffic and local jobs.                                                        
RHONDA THOMPSON informed committee members that Senator Stevens                
announced in a press release the previous Friday that the bilateral            
agreements were being negotiated, that the Russian mandatory                   
stopover was indeed on the table, and that they had successfully               
negotiated continuation of that route.  However, after further                 
discussion, it was learned the bilateral negotiations are ongoing              
and will conclude in June.  Therefore, passage of HJR 67 is                    
imminent.  Alaska Airlines will cease operations in the Russian Far            
East in the event that the mandatory stopover from the Russian side            
is not retained.                                                               
VICE-CHAIR announced HJR 67 would be held until a quorum was                   
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                            
                     HJR 63 - ADAK AIRPORT                                     
BRYCE EDGMON, legislative aide to Representative Carl Moses,                   
sponsor of HJR 63 informed committee members the resolution urges              
Congress to appropriate funds for the Mitchell Field Adak Airport.             
The resolution passed the House unanimously.  He noted DOTPF has               
requested that the phrase "to the Adak Reuse Corporation" be                   
deleted for the purpose of consistency, because the money will be              
appropriated to the State of Alaska for operations and maintenance.            
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN asked Mr. Edgmon to provide the committee with a             
committee substitute at its next meeting.                                      
The committee took a brief at-ease.                                            
VICE-CHAIR WILKEN announced that HB 386, HJR 63, and HJR 67 are                
pending in committee and that the 24 hour rule is now in effect.               
He asked participants to await Chairman Ward's direction on                    
movement of the legislation.   He then adjourned the meeting.                  

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