Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/10/1994 03:31 PM TRA

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                SENATE TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE                                
                       February 10, 1994                                       
                           3:31 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Bert Sharp, Chair                                                     
 Senator Randy Phillips, Vice Chair                                            
 Senator Tim Kelly                                                             
 Senator Georgianna Lincoln                                                    
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Jay Kerttula                                                          
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 275                                                           
 "An Act relating to the disposal of real property by the Department           
 of Transportation and Public Facilities."                                     
                                                                               
 SENATE BILL NO. 157                                                           
 "An Act relating to the control of outdoor advertising."                      
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
 SB 275 - No previous senate committee action.                                 
                                                                               
 SB 157 - See Transportation minutes dated 3/23/93 and 3/30/93.                
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
 Commissioner Bruce A. Campbell                                                
 Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                              
 3132 Channel Drive, Juneau, AK 99801-7898¶465-3901                            
  POSITION STATEMENT:  in favor of SB 275                                      
                                                                               
 Deputy Commissioner Helvi Sandvig                                             
 Department of Transportation & Public Facilities                              
 3132 Channel Drive, Juneau, AK 99801-7898¶465-3901                            
  POSITION STATEMENT:  in favor of SB 275                                      
                                                                               
 Ruth Skidmore, Aide                                                           
 Senate Transportation Committee                                               
 State Capitol, Juneau, AK 99801-1182¶465-3004                                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:  prime sponsor of SB 275                                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 94-4, SIDE A                                                             
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP calls the meeting of the Senate Transportation                 
 Committee to order at 3:31 p.m.                                               
                                                                               
 Number 003                                                                    
 CHAIRMAN SHARP announces that SB 157 (PROHIBITED HIGHWAY                      
 ADVERTISING) has been removed from the agenda by request of the               
 sponsor.                                                                      
 Number 006                                                                    
 CHAIRMAN SHARP brings up SB 275 (DISPOSAL OF REAL PROPERTY BY                 
 DOTPF) as the only order of business before the committee today.              
 The Chairman states the Senate Transportation Committee has                   
 introduced the bill at the request of the Department of                       
 Transportation & Public Facilities (DOT).  This legislation                   
 clarifies an inconsistency in the Alaska Statutes which has                   
 resulted in the inability of DOT to dispose of property acquired              
 for airports.  The chairman calls the commissioner of DOT to                  
 testify.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 030                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS asks Commissioner Campbell if he has seen              
 the language the Department of Natural Resources wants to add to SB
 275.                                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 044                                                                    
                                                                               
 BRUCE A. CAMPBELL, Commissioner, Department of Transportation &               
 Public Facilities, says he will let Helvi Sandvik, Deputy                     
 Commissioner of DOT, address that question.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 046                                                                    
                                                                               
 HELVI SANDVIK, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Transportation &            
 Public Facilities, says the language from DNR addresses cases where           
 DOT is asking a community to swap land, and it does not seem                  
 appropriate to require that land to count towards the community's             
 entitlements.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 050                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS asks if DOT opposes the language DNR wants             
 to add to SB 275.                                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 052                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL states DOT does not oppose that language.               
                                                                               
 Number 059                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP says there are amendments prepared to add DNR's                
 language to SB 275.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 069                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY asks what amendment #1 would do.                                
                                                                               
 Number 078                                                                    
                                                                               
 RUTH SKIDMORE, Aide to the Senate Transportation Committee, says              
 amendment #1 would clarify that DOT would have the ability to                 
 dispose of lands involved with the Public Facilities sector of the            
 department.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 081                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS confirms amendment #1 was recommended by               
 DOT.                                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 084                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL says the language in amendment #1 would                 
 simply enable DOT to have the same authority for all the types of             
 land swaps DOT needs to be able to do.  This will allow DOT to                
 dispose of lands on a swap basis and a surplus basis.                         
                                                                               
 Number 107                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS says when the committee adopts the                     
 amendments, he would like to make SB 275 into a committee                     
 substitute.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 114                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS moves the adoption of amendment #1 to SB
 275.                                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 119                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP explains for Senator Lincoln, who recently arrived             
 at the meeting, that the main amendment would allow municipalities            
 to select the land, rather than going back to DNR.                            
                                                                               
 Number 122                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS restates the amendment would allow                     
 municipalities and DOT to deal with each other directly, rather               
 than going through DNR.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 124                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL states the amendment would allow DOT to deal            
 directly with private parties, as well as being able to deal                  
 directly with municipalities.  It would be any entity DOT deals               
 with.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 127                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS again moves the adoption of amendment #1.              
                                                                               
 Number 130                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, states amendment #1 has been            
 adopted unanimous consent.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 132                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS moves the adoption of amendment #2.                    
                                                                               
 Number 134                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, states amendment #2 has been            
 adopted unanimous consent.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 137                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS asks Commissioner Campbell if revenue from             
 land trades is considered to be program receipts and would go                 
 through the Legislative Budget & Audit Committee.                             
                                                                               
 Number 141                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL says he would have to defer to Ms. Sandvik,             
 but he believes most of the lands involved are involved in rights-            
 of-way swaps, and there is not often any revenue involved in the              
 trade.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 146                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. SANDVIK confirms what the commissioner just said.  Very rarely            
 is money actually involved.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 151                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL states if money is involved, it would be a              
 program receipt and would go into the general fund.                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 157                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS makes a motion to adopt the committee                  
 substitute for SB 275 in lieu of the original bill.                           
                                                                               
 Number 164                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objection, states CSSB 275(TRA) has been           
 adopted unanimous consent.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 166                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN asks if this bill is simply a house-cleaning                  
 measure, or if it relates to a specific problem.                              
                                                                               
 Number 174                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL states though the department has encountered            
 problems in the past, there are no current problems SB 275 would              
 address.  At this time it is simply a house-keeping measure.                  
                                                                               
 Number 177                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR LINCOLN asks the commissioner if there is any major real              
 estate which would be affected by SB 275.                                     
                                                                               
 Number 180                                                                    
                                                                               
 COMMISSIONER CAMPBELL answers there is no major real estate                   
 involved to his knowledge.                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 183                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR KELLY makes a motion to move CSSB 275 (TRA) from the                  
 Transportation Committee with individual recommendations.                     
                                                                               
 Number 185                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP, hearing no objections, orders CSSB 275(TRA) be                
 released from the Senate Transportation Committee with individual             
 recommendations.                                                              
 Number 187                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN SHARP adjourns the Senate Transportation Committee meeting           
 at 3:40 p.m.                                                                  
                                                                               

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