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05/01/2025 03:30 PM Senate STATE AFFAIRS
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| SB167 | |
| SB104 | |
| SB160 | |
| SB107 | |
| Adjourn |
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| *+ | SB 160 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | SB 107 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| += | SB 167 | TELECONFERENCED | |
ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE
SENATE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE
May 1, 2025
3:33 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Senator Scott Kawasaki, Chair
Senator Jesse Bjorkman, Vice Chair
Senator Bill Wielechowski
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson
MEMBERS ABSENT
Senator Robert Yundt
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
SENATE BILL NO. 167
"An Act relating to a permanent fund dividend for an individual
whose conviction has been vacated, reversed, or dismissed; and
relating to the calculation of the value of the permanent fund
dividend by including payment to individuals eligible for a
permanent fund dividend because of a conviction that has been
vacated, reversed, or dismissed."
- MOVED CSSB 167(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE
SENATE BILL NO. 104
"An Act relating to the transfer of a title on the death of the
owner; and providing for an effective date."
- HEARD & HELD
SENATE BILL NO. 160
"An Act relating to the membership of the legislative council;
and relating to the membership of the Legislative Budget and
Audit Committee."
- HEARD & HELD
SENATE BILL NO. 107
"An Act establishing a violation for hindering the Alaska Sunset
Commission; establishing the Alaska Sunset Commission to review,
audit, and make recommendations on discontinuation of or changes
to state entities; and relating to the powers and duties of the
Alaska Sunset Commission."
- HEARD & HELD
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION
BILL: SB 167
SHORT TITLE: CRIM. CONV. OVERTURNED: RECEIVE PAST PFD
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) KAWASAKI
04/10/25 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/10/25 (S) STA, JUD
04/24/25 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
04/24/25 (S) Heard & Held
04/24/25 (S) MINUTE(STA)
05/01/25 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
BILL: SB 104
SHORT TITLE: VEHICLES/BOATS: TRANSFER ON DEATH TITLE
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) KAWASAKI
02/19/25 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/19/25 (S) TRA, STA
03/20/25 (S) TRA AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
03/20/25 (S) Heard & Held
03/20/25 (S) MINUTE(TRA)
04/10/25 (S) TRA AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
04/10/25 (S) <Bill Hearing Canceled>
04/24/25 (S) TRA AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205
04/24/25 (S) Moved SB 104 Out of Committee
04/24/25 (S) MINUTE(TRA)
04/25/25 (S) TRA RPT 3DP
04/25/25 (S) DP: TOBIN, STEDMAN, KIEHL
05/01/25 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
BILL: SB 160
SHORT TITLE: MEMBERS LEG COUNCIL; LEG BUDGET & AUDIT
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) SHOWER
04/09/25 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
04/09/25 (S) STA, FIN
05/01/25 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
BILL: SB 107
SHORT TITLE: ALASKA SUNSET COMMISSION
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) HUGHES
02/19/25 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS
02/19/25 (S) STA, FIN
03/20/25 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
03/20/25 (S) Heard & Held
03/20/25 (S) MINUTE(STA)
05/01/25 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)
WITNESS REGISTER
SALLY RAFSON, Staff
Senator Scott Kawasaki
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Explained the summary of changes from
version A to version N of SB 167.
JENNA COLQUHOUN, Staff
Senator Scott Kawasaki
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced SB 104 on behalf of the sponsor.
CHELSEA RIEKKOLA, Attorney
Foley and Pearson
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 104.
CHRISTOPHER WALKER, representing self
Faulkner Banfield
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 104.
ABIGAIL O'CONNOR, Chief Fiduciary Officer
Peak Trust Company
Anchorage, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 104.
LINDA HULBERT, Agent
New York Life Insurance
Fairbanks, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 104.
SENATOR MIKE SHOWER, District O
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 160.
SCOTT CRAWFORD, Staff
Senator Mike Shower
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided the sectional analysis for SB 160.
SENATOR SHELLY HUGHES
District M
Alaska State Legislature
Juneau, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 107.
MIKE COONS, representing self
Wasilla, Alaska
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 107.
ACTION NARRATIVE
3:33:35 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI called the Senate State Affairs Standing
Committee meeting to order at 3:33 p.m. Present at the call to
order were Senators Bjorkman, Wielechowski, Gray-Jackson, and
Chair Kawasaki.
SB 167-CRIM. CONV. OVERTURNED: RECEIVE PAST PFD
3:35:00 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI announced the consideration of SENATE BILL NO.
167 "An Act relating to a permanent fund dividend for an
individual whose conviction has been vacated, reversed, or
dismissed; and relating to the calculation of the value of the
permanent fund dividend by including payment to individuals
eligible for a permanent fund dividend because of a conviction
that has been vacated, reversed, or dismissed."
3:35:13 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI solicited a motion.
3:35:20 PM
SENATOR BJORKMAN moved to adopt the committee substitute (CS)
for SB 167, work order 34-LS0491\N, as the working document.
3:35:33 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI objected for purposes of discussion.
3:35:46 PM
SALLY RAFSON, Staff, Senator Scott Kawasaki, Alaska State
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, explained the summary of changes
from version A to version N of SB 167 and read the following:
[Original punctuation provided.]
Page 1, lines 12-13 of Version N: Added the language
"and the dismissal was not part of a plea agreement in
another criminal case under Rule 11, Alaska Rules of
Criminal Procedure;"
This change makes it clear that individuals whose
cases have been dismissed because they took a plea
agreement would not qualify for this legislation.
3:36:40 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI removed his objection; he found no further
objection and CSSB 167 was adopted as the working document.
3:37:00 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI solicited the will of the committee.
3:37:03 PM
SENATOR BJORKMAN moved to report CSSB 167, work order 34-
LS0491\N, from committee with individual recommendations and
attached fiscal note(s).
3:37:22 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI found no objection and CSSB 167(STA) was reported
from the Senate State Affairs Standing Committee.
3:37:37 PM
At ease.
SB 104-VEHICLES/BOATS: TRANSFER ON DEATH TITLE
3:38:57 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI reconvened the meeting and announced the
consideration of SENATE BILL NO. 104 "An Act relating to the
transfer of a title on the death of the owner; and providing for
an effective date."
3:39:28 PM
JENNA COLQUHOUN, Staff, Senator Scott Kawasaki, Alaska State
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, introduced SB 104 on behalf of the
sponsor and read the following quote from slide 1:
[Original punctuation provided.]
"An Act relating to the transfer of a title on the
death of the owner; and providing for an effective
date."
3:39:53 PM
MS. COLQUHOUN moved to slide 2 and discussed the following:
[Original punctuation provided.]
Transfer on Death Deeds
• Was created in Alaskan Statute when the "Uniform
Real Property Transfer on Death Act" was passed
in 2014 by the 28th Legislature
-AS 13.48.010 "An individual may transfer
property to one or more beneficiaries effective
at the transferor's death by a transfer on death
deed."
• AS 13.48.020 "A transfer on death deed is no
testamentary
-Not involving or creating a will
-Assets subject to a Transfer on Death (TOD) deed
skip the probate process
• TOD deeds currently can only be used for Real
Property
-Land and anything permanently attached to it
3:41:14 PM
MS. COLQUHOUN moved to slide 3 and discussed the following:
[Original punctuation provided.]
What SB 104 Does
• Extends Transfer on Death (TOD) deed to boats,
vehicles, and certain manufactured homes titled
through the DMV
-No more than two beneficiaries
-Owner can revoke TOD deed or change the
beneficiary at anytime without notice to the
beneficiary
-Designated beneficiary can disclaim their
interest
• Beneficiary of a TOD deed would be subject to
conveyances, encumbrances, assignments,
contracts, liens, and other interests to which
the boat or vehicle
• Establishes the procedure to obtain a TOD deed
-Owner will fill out an application and submit a
fee to the Department of Administration
-These fees will serve to fund the program
3:43:15 PM
MS. COLQUHOUN moved to slide 4 and discussed the following:
[Original punctuation provided.]
Benefits of SB 104
• Lowers the cost of probate for Alaskans
-On average, it costs $14,225 to settle an
estate*
• Allows Alaskans without ready access to law
services estate planning tools
-Rural Alaska
• Expedites beneficiary access to boats and
vehicles
-Enabling timely maintenance and preservation of
boats and vehicles
-In the instance of a family fishing business,
allows the business to continue uninterrupted
• Reduces probate case load
3:45:55 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI announced invited testimony on SB 104.
3:47:25 PM
CHELSEA RIEKKOLA, Attorney, Foley and Pearson, Anchorage,
Alaska, testified by invitation on SB 104 and emphasized that
the bill improves access to justice. She noted that probate for
smaller assetslike vehicles and boatsoften doesn't justify
using public or court resources, and SB 104 would address the
issue.
3:49:07 PM
CHRISTOPHER WALKER, representing self, Faulkner Banfield,
Juneau, Alaska, testified by invitation on SB 104 and said this
is a common-sense measure that fills a gap in current law. He
explained that Alaska lacks effective mechanisms to transfer
certain assets, especially boats and vehicleswithout probate.
He said existing tools like TOD deeds are limited because they
don't fully avoid probate for these items.
3:51:29 PM
ABIGAIL O'CONNOR, Chief Fiduciary Officer, Peak Trust Company,
Anchorage, Alaska, testified by invitation on SB 104 and stated
this is a practical solution for families when someone dies on a
boat in Alaska. SB 104 addresses timing and insurance issues,
easing significant challenges families face after a loved one's
death.
3:52:24 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said noted Alaska does not have estate tax.
He asked if the transfer of a boat or vehicle would count
towards federal estate tax.
3:52:49 PM
MS. O'CONNOR replied that vehicles are included in the gross
estate for federal estate tax purposes and SB 104 does not
change that. If the vehicle passes to a U.S. citizen spouse, no
estate tax applies, however, if it goes to someone else, estate
tax may be owed.
3:53:28 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked whether creditors can collect against
a boat or vehicle asset if the estate has liabilities and that
asset is transferred.
3:54:03 PM
MS. O'CONNOR requested confirmation that the question was
talking about a general estate liability, not a lien on the
vehicle.
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI answered yes.
MS. O'CONNOR replied that SB 104 does not provide an exemption
for vehicles and boats. She referenced SB 104, Section 3, page
3, lines 24-27,[AS 13.33.401 (j)], "...the state may enforce
liability against a boat or vehicle transferred at the owner's
death...
3:55:17 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if the deceased co-owned a boat,
would the share be transferred upon death and how would it work
if the new owner wanted to sell or not keep their share.
3:56:01 PM
MS. O'CONNOR replied that without SB 104, a non-married co-owner
of a boat could still transfer only their share at death. The
beneficiary designation would apply only to that person's
interest, and the title would still list both owners. She noted
that SB 104 doesn't change that outcome, and in such cases, the
transfer-on-death designation might not be used.
3:57:43 PM
MR. WALKER replied that under [AS 13.33.401] (a), a TOD vehicle
title only takes effect upon the death of the sole owner or the
last surviving joint owner. It does not apply to just one co-
owner's fractional interest.
3:58:13 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if he owned a boat with Senator
Kawasaki, and died, would his daughter acquire the share.
3:58:31 PM
MR. WALKER replied that his daughter would not acquire his share
because the other owner, Senator Kawasaki is still living.
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if Senator Kawasaki died would his
daughter get the boat.
MR. WALKER replied that it depends on how the boat is titled. He
said unlike real property, vehicle titles can be listed as "and"
or "or" between owners. An "or" title is usually interpreted to
grant survivorship rights, meaning the vehicle passes to the
surviving owner. However, under the language of SB 104, a
transfer-on-death designation would not apply to just one
owner's share.
4:00:31 PM
LINDA HULBERT, Agent, New York Life Insurance, Fairbanks,
Alaska, testified by invitation on SB 104 and stated that the
bill helps everyday people transfer assets like boats or
vehicles without probate, avoiding delays and allowing continued
use for family or business. She said TOD titles make the process
smoother, reduce court involvement, and are easy to revoke if
needed. She emphasized a TOD is flexible, practical tool that
simplifies estate planning and encourages more people to use it.
4:03:08 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if there is a liability, such as a
mortgage or loan, on the boat or car, does the debt transfer to
the beneficiary.
4:03:22 PM
MS. HULBERT answered yes. She said beneficiaries can disclaim a
boat or vehicle if they don't want it, whether for financial or
personal reasons. She suggested attorneys clarify the legal
details.
4:04:19 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if a boat or vehicle is transferred
and later the estate is found to lack sufficient funds, is the
recipient still responsible for the debt if they already sold or
gave away the asset.
4:04:53 PM
MS. RIEKKOLA answered that SB 104 mirrors the transfer-on-death
deed process for handling creditors. Creditors have one year
from the date of death to make claims. If someone accepts a
vehicle through a transfer-on-death title, they also accept any
liabilities attached, and if they later sell the asset, they
remain responsible for those obligations.
4:06:48 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI asked how SB 104 applies when someone owns both a
vehicle with a TOD title and a home used as a licensed assisted
living facility, since the real property falls under a different
statute.
4:07:41 PM
MS. O'CONNOR replied that if a vehicle is titled to an
individual, it can transfer to beneficiaries under SB 104,
regardless of its use. Similarly, a house under a revocable TOD
deed would pass to the named beneficiary. He noted that
regulatory requirements may involve notifying the state about
ownership changes, which is outside their expertise. She added
that assisted living homes and related vehicles are often titled
under an entity like an LLC, in which case this statute would
not apply.
4:09:43 PM
MS. RIEKKOLA clarified that SB 104 is meant to address simpler,
lower-income situations, like transferring a car to children or
a family fishing vessel, rather than complex business scenarios.
She stated that businesses with significant liabilities, such as
assisted living facilities, should be structured as LLCs with
legal counsel. Overall, SB 104 effectively streamlines
straightforward cases.
4:10:48 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI questioned the accuracy of the statute
referenced in SB 104, page 5, lines 2930, which cites AS
28.10.201 for vehicle titles. He suggested this may be incorrect
and that AS 28.10.011 or another section might be the proper
citation, urging a review of the reference.
4:11:39 PM
MS. COLQUHOUN stated that, to her understanding, the section
discusses vehicles that can be titled through the DMV. She said
it was reviewed multiple times to clarify distinctions, such as
between manufactured homes with and without foundations, however
she is willing to reread it to confirm accuracy.
4:12:37 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI opened public testimony on SB 104; finding none;
public testimony was kept open.
4:14:14 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI held SB 104 in committee.
SB 160-MEMBERS LEG COUNCIL; LEG BUDGET & AUDIT
4:14:19 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI announced the consideration of SENATE BILL NO.
160 "An Act relating to the membership of the legislative
council; and relating to the membership of the Legislative
Budget and Audit Committee."
4:14:55 PM
SENATOR MIKE SHOWER, District O, Alaska State Legislature,
Juneau, Alaska, sponsor of SB 160 read the sponsor statement:
[Original punctuation provided.]
As outlined in AS 24.20, the Legislative Council has
the essential role of conducting internal business for
the Alaska Legislature, while the Legislative Budget
and Audit (LB&A) Committee plays a pivotal role in
managing state finances and expenditures. Both
committees are established in statute with authority
to conduct business anytime throughout the year so
that internal legislative business may be conducted in
a timely manner.
4:16:01 PM
SENATOR SHOWER continued with the sponsor statement for SB 160:
Alaska State Statute establishes membership on
Legislative Council and the LB&A Committee to include
"at least one member from each of the two major
political parties of each house." However, the Alaska
Legislature has a long history of coalition caucuses
and unaffiliated legislators. In addition, following
passage of voter initiative Ballot Measure 2 in 2020,
candidates are not required to name a political party
affiliation, and therefore may be elected to office
without one. Senate Bill 160 seeks to update the
membership statutes for both the Legislative Council
and the LB&A Committee to reflect these changes in law
and practice to ensure fair caucus representation on
these committees.
Every committee established in the Alaska Legislature
Uniform Rules ensures representation of organized
minority caucuses. Under current law, there is no
guarantee that these two joint interim committees will
include representation of all organized caucuses. SB
160 also reflects the Uniform Rules definition of
"minority" as constituting at least 25 percent of a
chamber's membership.
As all Alaskans have a right to vote for their
legislators, who in turn have a right to form caucuses
if they choose, those organized caucuses have a right
to have their voices and visions represented on all
committees. Senate Bill 160 seeks to ensure this fair
representation is established in law
4:18:15 PM
SCOTT CRAWFORD, Staff, Senator Mike Shower, Alaska State
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, provided the sectional analysis for
SB 160:
[Original punctuation provided.]
Section 1.
Amends AS 24.20.020 to include at least one member of
the minority on the legislative council. Includes
language from Uniform Rule 1(e) to entitle minority
caucus membership on the council that is proportional
to their total house membership.
Section 2.
Amends AS 24.20.161 to include at least one member of
the minority on the Legislative Budget and Audit
Committee, and changes "chairman" to "chair."
Section 3.
Adds a new section to AS. 24.20 to define "minority"
as a group of members who have organized, elected a
minority leader, and who constitute at least 25
percent of the total house membership
4:19:24 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI opened public testimony on SB 160; finding none;
public testimony was kept open.
4:20:59 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI held SB 160 in committee.
4:21:20 PM
At ease.
SB 107-ALASKA SUNSET COMMISSION
4:24:31 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI reconvened the meeting and announced the
consideration of SENATE BILL NO. 107 "An Act establishing a
violation for hindering the Alaska Sunset Commission;
establishing the Alaska Sunset Commission to review, audit, and
make recommendations on discontinuation of or changes to state
entities; and relating to the powers and duties of the Alaska
Sunset Commission."
4:25:05 PM
SENATOR SHELLY HUGHES, District M, Alaska State Legislature,
Juneau, Alaska, sponsor of SB 107 presented a brief recap of the
bill and noting that it promotes efficiency and effective
operations in state agencies through an independent, objective
panel. She stated that the panel presents recommendations in the
form of a bill to the legislature for action, which reduces bias
and increases public confidence.
for legislative action, reducing bias and increasing public
confidence. The process includes a year of public input and
thorough review, offering a practical, impartial tool for
budgeting and ensuring taxpayer resources are used effectively.
4:27:48 PM
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON asked whether the responsibility for
conducting all the audits would fall to the legislative auditor.
4:27:58 PM
SENATOR HUGHES answered no. She said the current setup maintains
independence and neutrality, unlike expanding the legislative
auditor's duties, which could introduce political bias. The
panel operates on a rotating basis to ensure impartiality across
administration and legislative cycles.
4:28:53 PM
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON asked who will be responsible for
conducting the audits.
4:29:07 PM
SENATOR HUGHES replied that SB 107 allows the panel to hire
auditors, though funding is not currently available. She said
implementation could start small, such as one agency or auditor.
The goal is to ensure independence, avoiding conflicts with the
governor's or legislative auditor's perspectives.
4:29:55 PM
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked whether commissioners, who serve at
the pleasure of the governor, have any protection against
termination.
4:30:12 PM
SENATOR HUGHES suggested SB 107 could include a mechanism to
prevent commissioners from being fully under the governor's
control, such as allowing the legislature to override a removal,
though she is unsure of the exact solution.
4:30:47 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI highlighted the stability and experience of the
Legislative Audit Division. He said auditors often serve for
decades while legislators come and go. He praised the system for
its independence and effectiveness, and mentioned upcoming
legislation related to this topic. He emphasized that audits and
commissioners operate without political influence. He noted that
the legislative auditor strictly follows the law and remains
apolitical.
4:32:31 PM
SENATOR HUGHES stated that the legislature could have the power
to remove someone, noting that while the legislature currently
has a good auditor, oversight is necessary. SB 107 places the
independent entity under the executive branch without giving the
governor control, like other independent state entities.
4:33:30 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI opened public testimony on SB 107.
4:33:42 PM
MIKE COONS, representing self, Wasilla, Alaska, testified in
support of SB 107 and stated that the bill aims to reduce
spending by requiring divisions recommended for sunsetting by
audits to end unless the legislature acts. He said past audits
have identified $160 billion in savings, including long ended
programs. SB 107 ensures audit recommendations are considered by
both the legislature and governor, promoting data-driven
decisions and preventing repeated overspending, potentially
saving millions.
4:36:54 PM
CHAIR KAWASAKI held SB 107 in committee.
4:37:50 PM
There being no further business to come before the committee,
Chair Kawasaki adjourned the Senate State Affairs Standing
Committee meeting at 4:37 p.m.
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects |
|---|---|---|
| SB0160A.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 160 |
| sponsor SB 160.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 160 |
| sectional SB 160.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 160 |
| SB 104.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 104 |
| SB 104 - Sponsor Statement.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 104 |
| SB 104 - Sectional.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 104 |
| Explanation of Changes A to N SB 167.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 167 |
| CS SB 167.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 167 |
| SB 104 - Powerpoint.pdf |
SSTA 5/1/2025 3:30:00 PM |
SB 104 |