Legislature(1993 - 1994)
10/23/1993 03:00 PM Senate STA
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SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE
Soldotna, Alaska
October 23, 1993
3:00 P.M.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Senator Loren Leman, Chairman
MEMBERS ABSENT
Senator Mike Miller, Vice Chairman
Senator Robin Taylor
Senator Johnny Ellis
Senator Jim Duncan
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 1
Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State of
Alaska relating to the individual right to keep and bear arms.
SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 34
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the State of
Alaska relating to the individual right to keep and bear arms.
PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION
SJR 1 - See State Affairs minutes dated 9/17/93
SJR 34 - See State Affairs minutes da ted 9/17/93.
WITNESS REGISTER
Brad Bradney
P.O. Box 1601
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Wesley Jones
P.O. Box 535
Seward, Alaska 99664
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Michael Mooter
P.O.Box 1041
Seward, Alaska 99664
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Gordon Kessling
P.O. Box 32
Seward, Alaska 99664
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Amanuel Dabney
P.O. Box 665
Soldotna, Alaska 99664
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Alvin Bayer
P.O. Box 2822
Homer, Alaska 99603
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Tim Smith
P.O. Box 4393
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Russ Morrison
P.O. Box 4623
Soldotna, Alaska 99664
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Tom Vogel
2707 Wildwood Dr., #32
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Richard Dubendorf
P.O. Box 67
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Roland Cusson
295 Riverside
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Vernon Thornton
P.O. Box 16
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
May Alice Hopkins
P.O. Box 2191
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Mike Mathews
P.O. Box 3086
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Henry Moser
P.O. Box 697
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Thomas Eliason
P.O. Box 703
Seward, Alaska 99664
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Steven H. Mussman
373 West Vine Ave.
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Bob Benedict
P.O. Box 3216
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Jeneane Benedict
P.O. Box 3216
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Bill Boles
HCS Box 911
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Jim Jenckes
616 Maple Dr.
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Dave Bear
P.O. Box 39283
Ninilchik, Alaska 99639
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Mike Denison
44675 Wooded Lane
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Spencer Wyman
2800 Beaver Lp., #9
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Jim Cooper
248 W. Crest Dr.
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Ralph Dillon, Sr.
P.O. Box 1023
Sterling, Alaska 99672
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Kenneth Roberts
P.O. Box 626
Sterling, Alaska 99672
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Bill Baucum
P.O. Box 1595-2
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Robert Hensler
35860 Silver Ave.
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Lee Martin
P.O. Box 743
Homer, Alaska 99603
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Sterling Eide
P.O. Box 151
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Michael Masters
HCR-1, Box 1480
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Jim Welborn
HC 01, Box 81
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Bev Welborn
HC 01, Box 81
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Greg Reser
44120 McLean Ct.
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Calvin Cary
P.O. Box 4153
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
James Chapman
HC 1, Box 1502
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Dianna Chapman
HC 1, Box 1502
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Gary Cadd
P.O. Box 1995
Kenai, Alaska 99611
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Mimi Tolva
P.O. Box 2117
Homer, Alaska 99603
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
Shawn Roberts
HC 1, Box 8225
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SJR 34.
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 93-34, SIDE A
Number 001
CHAIRMAN LEMAN called the Senate State Affairs Committee
meeting to order at 3:00 p.m. Due to the lack of a quorum the
meeting was convened as a work session to take public
testimony on SJR 1 (RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS) and SJR 34
(RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS) to be up for consideration.
BRAD BRADNEY, Kenai, asked if this was the exact language
that would be adopted. Senator Leman said it was possible to
amend it still, but that the language fits in with the Alaska
Constitution.
PORTIA BABCOCK , staff for Senate State Affairs, explained the
differences between the two bills. The first sections are
identical, but SJR 1 has a second section which has ambiguous
and risky language according to a legal opinion from LAA. SJR
34 has language that is clearer, she said, and is supported
by Senator Leman, other Senators, and organizations.
MR. BRADNEY opposed SJR 1 and supported SJR 34. He agreed
that the language in SJR 1 was unclear.
Number 175
WESLEY JONES, Seward, supported SJR 34.
MICHAEL MOOTER, Seward, supported SJR 34.
GORDON KESSLING, Seward, supported SJR 34.
AMANUEL C. DABNEY, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
ALVIN BAYER, Homer, strongly supported SJR 34.
TIM SMITH, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
R U SS MORRISON, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
Number 217
TOM VOGEL, Kenai, supported SJR 34.
Number 370
RICHARD DUBENDORF, Soldotna, supported SJR 34. He asked why
the language was needed for court support of law enforcement.
MS. BABCOCK answered that at the time the leadership decided
they would not go any further with the bill without the
support of the Chief of Police, the Governor, and the
Department of Law. They felt this language was needed.
ROLAND CUSSON, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
Number 425
VERNON THORNTON, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
MAY ALICE HOPKINS, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
MIKE MATHEWS, Soldotna, supported SJR 34. He said the idea
was to clarify the right to bear arms which SJR 34 does best.
Number 475
HENRY MOSER, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
THOMAS ELIASON, Seward, supported SJR 34.
STEVEN H. MUSSMAN, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
BOB BENEDICT, Kenai, supported SJR 34. He said that he has
helped catch two burglars, and it was only because he had a
gun. The bad guys have them and the good guys need them too.
He suggested we enact laws like England has that give ten
years at the start just for using a gun and then add on the
penalty for the crime besides.
JENEANE BENEDICT, Kenai, supported SJR 34. She said she
always carries a hand gun to protect her life.
TAPE 93-34, SIDE B
Number 001
BILL BOLES, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
JIM JENCKES, Kenai, supported SJR 34, because SJR 1 is not
compatible with the federal constitution.
DAVE BEAR, Ninilchik, strongly supported SJR 34.
Number 100
MIKE DENISON, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
SPENCER WYMAN, Kenai, strongly supported SJR 34.
JIM COOPER , Soldotna, strongly supported SJR 34.
RALPH DILLON, SR., Sterling, strongly supported SJR 34. He
said he started taking his kids hunting when they were 5 years
old and he taught them the right way to use a gun.
KENNETH ROBERTS, Sterling, strongly supported SJR 34.
BILL BAUCUM, Kenai, supported SJR 34.
ROBERT HENSLER, Soldotna, supported SJR 34. He said he sells
firearms.
Number 200
LEE MARTIN, Homer, strongly supported SJR 34.
STERLING EIDE, Kenai, supported SJR 34.
MICHAEL MASTERS, Soldotna, strongly supported SJR 34.
JIM WELBORN, Kenai, supported SJR 34.
BEV WELBORN, Kenai, supported SJR 34. She said she wanted to
be able to protect herself and her three daughters while her
husband was gone.
GREG RESER, Soldotna, supported SJR 34 and opposed SJR 1.
Number 350
CALVIN CARY, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
JAMES CHAPMAN, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
DIANNA CHAPMAN, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
Number 425
GARY CADD, Kenai, supported SJR 34. He said that our freedoms
are under attack nationally. He noted that the Alaska State
Constitution did not contain a legal description of the State
and so the federal government could override state authority.
MIMI TOLVA, Homer, supported SJR 34 and opposed SJR 1.
Number 500
SHAWN ROBERTS, Soldotna, supported SJR 34.
TAPE 93-35, SIDE A
Number 001
JIM WELBORN said there would be a problem getting guns away
from people if a law was passed against them. He was
concerned that prohibiting arms contributed subtly to the
concept of a "world order" which is explained in a book called
The Order.
SENATOR LEMAN thanked everyone for their participation and
adjourned the meeting at 5:00 p.m.
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