Legislature(2019 - 2020)BUTROVICH 205

02/28/2019 03:30 PM STATE AFFAIRS

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03:31:34 PM Start
03:32:13 PM Confirmation Hearing(s)
04:07:25 PM SB34
06:02:00 PM SB23|| SB24
08:06:28 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Commissioner-Designee Tshibaka, Department of
Administration
-- Teleconference Invitation Only --
-- Public Testimony <Time Limit May Be Set> --
+= SB 34 PROBATION; PAROLE; SENTENCES; CREDITS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 34(STA) Out of Committee
+= SB 23 APPROP:SUPP. PAYMENTS OF PRIOR YEARS' PFD TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-Public Testimony on SB23/24 at Approx. 6:00 pm-
<Time Limit May Be Set>
+= SB 24 PFD SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-Public Testimony on SB24/23 at Approx. 6:00 pm-
<Time Limit May Be Set>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            SENATE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                       February 28, 2019                                                                                        
                           3:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Mike Shower, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator John Coghill, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Lora Reinbold                                                                                                           
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Scott Kawasaki (via teleconference)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mia Costello                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner, Department of Administration                                                                                      
Kelly Tshibaka - Anchorage                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 34                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to  probation; relating  to a  program allowing                                                               
probationers to  earn credits for  complying with  the conditions                                                               
of  probation;  relating  to   early  termination  of  probation;                                                               
relating to  parole; relating to  a program allowing  parolees to                                                               
earn  credits  for  complying  with  the  conditions  of  parole;                                                               
relating to early termination of  parole; relating to eligibility                                                               
for discretionary  parole; relating  to good time;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 34(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 23                                                                                                              
"An Act making special appropriations from the earnings reserve                                                                 
account for the payment of permanent fund dividends; and                                                                        
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 24                                                                                                              
"An Act directing the Department of Revenue to pay dividends to                                                                 
certain eligible individuals; and providing for an effective                                                                    
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  34                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PROBATION; PAROLE; SENTENCES; CREDITS                                                                              
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/23/19       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/23/19       (S)       STA, FIN                                                                                               
02/07/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/07/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
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02/11/19       (S)       JUD REFERRAL ADDED AFTER STA                                                                           
02/12/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/12/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/12/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/14/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/14/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/14/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/19/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/19/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/19/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/21/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/21/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/21/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/26/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/26/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/26/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/28/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  23                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: APPROP:SUPP. PAYMENTS OF PRIOR YEARS' PFD                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/16/19       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/19       (S)       STA, FIN                                                                                               
02/05/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/05/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/05/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/26/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/26/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/26/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/28/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  24                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PFD SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENTS                                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/16/19       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/19       (S)       STA, FIN                                                                                               
02/05/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/05/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/05/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/26/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/26/19       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/26/19       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/28/19       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KELLY TSHIBAKA, Commissioner Designee                                                                                           
Department of Administration (DOA)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the position of                                                                 
commissioner of the Department of Administration.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT DAHL, representing self                                                                                                   
Inspector General U.S. Department of Labor                                                                                      
Washington, DC                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of the nomination of                                                                 
Kelly   Tshibaka   as   commissioner   of   the   Department   of                                                               
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE HARTLINE, representing self                                                                                            
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of the nomination of                                                                 
Kelly   Tshibaka   as   commissioner   of   the   Department   of                                                               
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
LYNN HALFFORD, representing self                                                                                                
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT: Testified  in support  of the  nomination of                                                             
Kelly   Tshibaka   as   commissioner   of   the   Department   of                                                               
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT OGAN, Senior Policy Advisor                                                                                               
Senator Mike Shower                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Provided  an explanation  of  the  proposed                                                             
amendments to the CS for SB 34, version M.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE, Director                                                                                                         
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Answered  questions  about  the  effect  of                                                             
proposed amendments to the CS for SB 34, version M.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
KELLY HOWELL, Special Assistant to the Commissioner                                                                             
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions related to SB 34.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY EDWARDS, Director                                                                                                       
State Board Parole                                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Responded to questions related to SB 34.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DAVID OTNESS, representing self                                                                                                 
Cordova, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT: During  the  hearing  on SB  23  and SB  24,                                                             
testified  that he'd  like to  see residents  come together  as a                                                               
state before the dividend money is returned.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES MCKEE, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified during the  hearing on SB 23 and SB                                                             
24 and noted he also submitted written information.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MIKE PRAX representing self                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LARRY CALVIN, representing self                                                                                                 
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DAVID NOON, representing self                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified that he doesn't think that passing                                                              
SB 23 and SB 24 is a wise move for the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN MERRIT, representing self                                                                                                 
Wrangell, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT HALL, representing self                                                                                                  
MatSu, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: During public testimony on SB 23 and SB 24,                                                               
predicted the outcome and offered suggestions for a different                                                                   
path forward.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DONALD WESTLAND, representing self                                                                                              
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JACK DETZEL, representing self                                                                                                  
Delta Junction, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. SOL NEELY, PhD, representing self                                                                                           
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JESSE BJORKMAN representing self                                                                                                
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
STEPHANIE CRONIN representing self                                                                                              
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in adamant opposition to SB 23 and                                                              
SB 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK MAYER, representing self                                                                                                
Yakutat, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
AMY SWEENEY, representing self                                                                                                  
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SUE LITMAN representing self                                                                                                    
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in vehement opposition to SB 23                                                                 
and SB 24.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAVID BRIGHTON, representing self                                                                                               
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GHERET ABBOTT, representing self                                                                                                
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
EARL LACKEY, representing self                                                                                                  
MatSu, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LUANN MCVEY, representing self                                                                                                  
Douglas, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD STEELE representing self                                                                                                
Douglas, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JANET MCCABE, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BONNIE WOLDSTAD, citizens of our great state                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT MACMANUS representing self                                                                                                
Tok, Alaska                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in strong opposition to SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MIKE ILLG, representing self                                                                                                    
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in vehement opposition to SB 23                                                                 
and SB 24.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK HEUER, representing self                                                                                                
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
AMY AINSLIE representing self                                                                                                   
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MARIE MCCONNEL representing self                                                                                                
Sterling, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LAURA STATTS, representing self                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. VALERY BROOKS, PhD, representing self                                                                                       
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LOY THURMAN, representing self                                                                                                  
MatSu, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BETH FREAD representing self                                                                                                    
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DOUG HERGERT representing self                                                                                                  
Wrangell, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JIM CHEYDIEUR, representing self                                                                                                
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: During the hearing on SB 23 and SB 24,                                                                    
testified in opposition to the budget Governor Dunleavy                                                                         
released.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MIKE COONS, representing self; president                                                                                        
Alaska Chapter of the Association of Mature American Citizens                                                                   
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER ASSELIN, representing self                                                                                              
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CRIS EICHENLAUB, representing self                                                                                              
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SIMON GORBATY, representing self                                                                                                
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COLLAUNA MARLEY, representing self                                                                                              
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
FRED STURMAN, representing self                                                                                                 
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KARLA HART, representing self                                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DONNA SCHULTZ, representing self                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JANALEE GAGE representing self                                                                                                  
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
RAYCE WITTNER, representing self                                                                                                
MatSu, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE representing self                                                                                                 
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
VIKKI JO KENNEDY, representing self                                                                                             
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24                                                                
as currently written.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DAVE AND NOEL MAXWELL, representing self                                                                                        
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT HAYDEN, representing self                                                                                                 
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM QUAYLE, representing self                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RALPH WATKINS, Superintendent                                                                                                   
Hoonah City Schools                                                                                                             
Hoonah, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to both SB 23 and SB                                                              
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JOY LYON, representing self                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KYNEDI CLARK, representing self                                                                                                 
MatSu, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified that she is a sixth grade honor                                                                 
roll student who opposes SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MARY TONY, representing self                                                                                                    
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MATH TRAFTON, representing self                                                                                                 
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in strong opposition to SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ZOE TRAFTON, representing self                                                                                                  
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MARY JANE "MJ" LEGRANDE, representing self                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KATIE PITTMAN, representing self                                                                                                
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MELODY JORDAN, representing self                                                                                                
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified that she is adamantly opposed to                                                                
SB 23 and SB 24 and the entire budget.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ED MARTIN JR. representing self                                                                                                 
Coopers Landing, Alaska                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GLENN CRAVEZ, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KAREN CORBEL, representing self                                                                                                 
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KARI SAGEL, representing self                                                                                                   
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KATE JOHNSON, representing self                                                                                                 
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HARVEY BRANDT, representing self                                                                                                
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in vehement opposition to SB 23                                                                 
and SB 24.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RANDY VIRGIN, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: During the hearing on SB 23 and SB 24,                                                                    
stated that it should not be a choice between a PFD payout and                                                                  
government services.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LILI SANTORO, representing self and her daughter                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KIM NELSON, representing self                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BETH HACK, representing self                                                                                                    
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GLEN BUTTS, representing self                                                                                                   
Big Lake, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LYNETTE CLARK, representing self                                                                                                
Fox, Alaska                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MARGO O'CONNEL, representing self                                                                                               
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24                                                                
and the governor's budget.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA BOWERS, representing self                                                                                                
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
STEVE WASHBURN, representing self                                                                                               
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KIM HAYES, representing self                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in strong opposition to SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL BOWLES, representing self                                                                                               
Seward, Palmer                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JULIE SMYTH, representing self                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL MAUSBACK, representing self                                                                                             
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MARK SPRINGER, representing self                                                                                                
Bethel, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MERRIE CULP-WASHBURN, representing self                                                                                         
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHARLIE PIERCE, representing self                                                                                               
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JEANINE BROOKS, representing self                                                                                               
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in firm opposition to SB 23 and SB                                                              
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
RICK MOORE, representing self                                                                                                   
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CARL CLARK, representing self                                                                                                   
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOE MONTAGNA, representing self                                                                                                 
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DEB SCHULTZ, representing self                                                                                                  
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
OLE CHRISTENSON, representing self                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL TAVOLIERO, representing self                                                                                            
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOSEPH CAYABYAB, representing self                                                                                              
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DIANE HOLMES, representing self                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER REED, representing self                                                                                                
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JANICE CHANDLER, representing self                                                                                              
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
FORREST KUIPER, representing self                                                                                               
Seward, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in strong opposition to SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
BRENDON HOPKINS, representing self                                                                                              
Sterling, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HAROLD BORBRIDGE, representing self                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GRACE BROOKS, representing self                                                                                                 
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in strong opposition to SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LINDA SCHANDELMEIER, representing self                                                                                          
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE DUTSON, representing self                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MORRIS NASSUK, representing self and his kids                                                                                   
Koyuk, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GREG WEIBER, representing self                                                                                                  
MatSu, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KATHERINE PRUSSIAN, representing self                                                                                           
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DALTON STOKES, representing self                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES LESTER, representing self                                                                                               
Delta Junction, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BERT HOUGHGALING, representing self                                                                                             
Big Lake, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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3:31:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MIKE  SHOWER  called the  Senate  State  Affairs  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 3:31  p.m. Present  at the call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  Coghill,  Micciche,  Reinbold,  and  Chair                                                               
Shower. Senator Kawasaki attended via teleconference.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                                        
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                 
           Commissioner, Department of Administration                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:32:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER announced that the first order of business would be                                                                
the confirmation hearing for Kelly Tshibaka as commissioner of                                                                  
the Department of Administration (DOA).                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:32:27 PM                                                                                                                    
KELLY    TSHIBAKA,   Commissioner    Designee,   Department    of                                                               
Administration (DOA), Anchorage, ,  testified as appointee to the                                                               
position  of commissioner  of the  Department of  Administration.                                                               
She  provided introductory  comments reading  from the  following                                                               
prepared document:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Thank  you  for  having  me today.  I'm  joined  by  my                                                                    
     husband  Niki  and  son  Josiah.     We  have  4  other                                                                    
     wonderful  children   watching  us  at   home,  Denali,                                                                    
     Joseph, Justice, and Elora.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I was born  and raised in Anchorage. Most  of my family                                                                    
     still lives in Alaska. I  spent many winter weekends in                                                                    
     the  Conoco Philips  tower as  a child.  My mom  was an                                                                    
     auditor  and  she  would  have   me  help  her  on  her                                                                    
     projects.  She'd hand  me those  long  spools of  paper                                                                    
     with holes on the sides    her work papers   and ask me                                                                    
     to highlight any numbers over  a certain amount. That's                                                                    
     where I developed values  for accountability and fiscal                                                                    
     responsibility. My dad, on the  other hand, was a proud                                                                    
     IBEW electrician  with ATU, which became  ACS. From him                                                                    
     I learned the  value that comes when a  work team stays                                                                    
     united.  I also  learned  to question  authority, in  a                                                                    
     respectful way.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I loved growing  up here   I remember  hunting with dad                                                                    
     and  eating   moose  tongue  sandwiches,   playing  ice                                                                    
     hockey, taking  classes at UAA, and  doing many theater                                                                    
     productions.  One  highlight  was  getting  to  be  the                                                                    
     pitcher  of the  All Star  softball team  that won  the                                                                    
     Alaska state championship and got  to play at nationals                                                                    
     one year. That was amazing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     After  graduating from  Steller, I  went to  Texas A&M.                                                                    
     One  summer I  worked for  Senator Ted  Stevens on  the                                                                    
     United States  Senate Appropriations Committee.  I then                                                                    
     attended  Harvard  Law  School.  After  law  school,  I                                                                    
     joined  the   Department  of  Justice  Office   of  the                                                                    
     Inspector General.  Nearly every federal agency  has an                                                                    
     OIG   responsible   for    promoting   efficiency   and                                                                    
     effectiveness,  and  detecting   and  deterring  waste,                                                                    
     fraud,  and  abuse.   They  accomplish  this  primarily                                                                    
     through   audits,   investigations,  inspections,   and                                                                    
     multidisciplinary reviews.  It turns out the  values my                                                                    
     parents  instilled  in   me     accountability,  fiscal                                                                    
     responsibility, team  unity, and  questioning authority                                                                    
       were a perfect alignment for an OIG career!                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     At  the  Department  of  Justice  OIG,  I  investigated                                                                    
     complex  cases  like the  abuse  of  Arabs and  Muslims                                                                    
     detained after  the September 11 terrorist  attacks   a                                                                    
     case  that was  heard before  the US  Supreme Court.  I                                                                    
     also  oversaw audits,  investigations, and  inspections                                                                    
     of  DOJ  programs  and   operations,  and  assisted  in                                                                    
     managing more than 400 employees nationwide.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     After the  Department of Justice  OIG, I was  the first                                                                    
     hire  at  the  Office   of  the  Director  of  National                                                                    
     Intelligence OIG, which was  established after the 9/11                                                                    
     Commission report  found the need for  a federal agency                                                                    
     to  oversee all  the  Intelligence Community  agencies,                                                                    
     including  the Department  of Defense,  CIA, NSA,  FBI,                                                                    
     State Department and others.  I served as legal counsel                                                                    
     in   the   office   and   co-led   the   creation   and                                                                    
     establishment   of  the   office.  In   that  role,   I                                                                    
     investigated  misconduct  by  presidential  appointees,                                                                    
     participated  in projects  like  improving the  process                                                                    
     for   deciding  whose   names  go   on  the   terrorist                                                                    
     watchlist, and evaluated the  ODNI agency's culture and                                                                    
     effectiveness.  I  briefed  the  Director  of  National                                                                    
     Intelligence  many   times  on  our  projects,   and  I                                                                    
     advocated    successfully    for    legislation    that                                                                    
     established   the   Intelligence  Community   Inspector                                                                    
     General  in  statute  by working  collaboratively  with                                                                    
     Inspectors    General,    General   Counsel    offices,                                                                    
     Congressional  oversight  committees, and  White  House                                                                    
     staffers over 5 years.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Following the ODNI  OIG, I served as  a Special Advisor                                                                    
     in the ODNI's Civil  Liberties and Privacy Office where                                                                    
     I   participated  in   developing   guidance  for   the                                                                    
     Intelligence Community  on civil liberties  and privacy                                                                    
     issues  in collaborative  electronic environments,  use                                                                    
     of  social media  information, and  the development  of                                                                    
     research projects.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Afterwards,  I  joined  the  Federal  Trade  Commission                                                                    
     where  I served  as  the Chief  Investigator and  Legal                                                                    
     Counsel, and  later as the Acting  Inspector General. I                                                                    
     led  our  team  to  complete  high-risk,  core  mission                                                                    
     reviews of an agency with  a $300 million dollar budget                                                                    
     and  1200  employees.  For  example,  we  examined  how                                                                    
     effective  the  FTC was  at  achieving  its mission  of                                                                    
     protecting consumers. We  also investigated allegations                                                                    
     made  by  Congressman  Darrell Issa,  Chairman  of  the                                                                    
     House Oversight  and Government Reform  Committee, that                                                                    
     FTC  attorneys  conspired   to  fabricate  evidence  to                                                                    
     increase  the FTC's  number  of successful  enforcement                                                                    
     actions.   In   addition,  we   performed   information                                                                    
     security    audits,    financial   statement    audits,                                                                    
     performance   inspections,    and   investigations   of                                                                    
     misconduct.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Most recently, I founded and  established the Office of                                                                    
     the  Chief Data  Officer for  the United  States Postal                                                                    
     Service Office  of the Inspector General.  As the Chief                                                                    
     Data  Officer, I  served on  a 9-person  executive team                                                                    
     responsible for oversight of the  US Postal Service, an                                                                    
     agency with  more than $70  Billion in  annual revenue,                                                                    
     $13 Billion  in contracts,  and 620,000  employees. The                                                                    
     OIG, in  contrast, had just  over 1000 people  and $250                                                                    
     Million dollars. We found the  most effective way to do                                                                    
     oversight was  to leverage data analytics  to find even                                                                    
     greater  cost savings  and  efficiencies,  and to  know                                                                    
     where  to  look  for  misconduct  and  risk.  Our  data                                                                    
     analytics led  to more than  $1.9 Billion  in financial                                                                    
     impact,  $179M in  cost avoidances,  225 criminal  case                                                                    
     outcomes, and enabled our OIG  to do more with less. We                                                                    
     also  led   innovative  efforts  to   identify  illegal                                                                    
     opioids  in  more  than  5  billion  parcels  delivered                                                                    
     annually.  This  unprecedented  use of  data  analytics                                                                    
     substantially advanced multi-agency  efforts to prevent                                                                    
     drug trafficking.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     CDO   was   successful   because   it   included   data                                                                    
     scientists,  investigators, auditors,  and analysts  in                                                                    
     one  interdisciplinary  cross-OIG division.  It  became                                                                    
     the largest CDO office  in the OIG community, advancing                                                                    
     collaboration   on  critical   incident  and   emergent                                                                    
     issues, transforming  the OIG  into a  data-led agency,                                                                    
     and offering  resources and  assistance to  OIGs across                                                                    
     the federal government.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     My OIG  background has shaped  how I'll  approach being                                                                    
     the Commissioner  of the Department  of Administration:                                                                    
     promote    efficiency    and   effectiveness;    pursue                                                                    
     innovations and cost savings; and achieve results.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I  mentioned  that  summer  our   team  won  the  state                                                                    
     softball championship.  That really  shaped my  view on                                                                    
     leadership. I learned that no  position on the team was                                                                    
     more  important than  another.  We had  to  work as  an                                                                    
     integrated,  cohesive  unit.  I  might  have  been  the                                                                    
     pitcher, but we would have  lost the game without first                                                                    
     base, or left  field. The same is true for  any group I                                                                    
     lead.  I  believe we  are  an  integrated team,  and  I                                                                    
     simply play a part on that team.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     On a more  personal note, I met my husband  Niki in law                                                                    
     school,  and  we  moved  to  Washington,  DC  together.                                                                    
     Initially our  ambition was to become  great lawyers --                                                                    
     leaders  of all!  But God  really  changed our  hearts.                                                                    
     We're  Christians,  but  our faith  really  took  on  a                                                                    
     different  [form] those  years     instead of  becoming                                                                    
     leaders of  all, we  wanted to be  servants of  all. We                                                                    
     started a  church that  focuses on  developing leaders,                                                                    
     healing people  from trauma and addiction,  and helping                                                                    
     orphans,  refugees,  and  women and  children  who  are                                                                    
     victims of human trafficking.  It's been very rewarding                                                                    
     for  me  to  help   people  along  in  their  spiritual                                                                    
     journeysto  help them become  the person they've always                                                                    
     wanted to be.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Whether  it's  people  or it's  organizations,  I  love                                                                    
     helping people become who they've  always wanted to be.                                                                    
     And organizations  are just collections of  people with                                                                    
     a  purpose. I  enjoy helping  organizations become  the                                                                    
     best they can be.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     As    the   Commissioner    of   the    Department   of                                                                    
     Administration, I  will help the Department  become the                                                                    
     best it  can be. And in  so doing, the agencies  of the                                                                    
     state of Alaska will be able to better serve Alaskans.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you for having me today.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:40:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER summarized that some  people have commented that you                                                               
are  overqualified   but  in  these  times   your  resume  brings                                                               
impressive  credentials that  are probably  needed. He  said your                                                               
experience  in   the  Office  of  Inspector   General  (OIG)  and                                                               
independent attitude is also important  in how you would look for                                                               
fraud,  waste and  abuse  in  government and  trying  to make  it                                                               
better.  He said  that's important,  although you  obviously work                                                               
for the  governor. He said the  final topic to get  on the record                                                               
is whether  you would have  a problem separating your  faith from                                                               
your duties and following the law as a public servant.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  DESIGNEE TSHIBAKA  replied  she is  and has  always                                                               
been  open and  transparent about  her  faith, but  she does  not                                                               
impose it on others. She opined  that it is her transparency that                                                               
builds trust among her workforce  and makes them feel comfortable                                                               
in the diversity. "They feel  comfortable about being transparent                                                               
about  who  they  are,  too,  so  it  makes  strong  teams."  She                                                               
emphasized that  she has no  problem upholding the law.  She said                                                               
she has  been in situations  in the  past where she  didn't agree                                                               
with the decisions her superiors made and she had to implement.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER asked her to expand  on the point that when you work                                                               
for  someone  you  need  to  be able  to  highlight  policies  or                                                               
decisions  that don't  make sense  or are  headed in  a direction                                                               
that isn't the best.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  DESIGNEE TSHIBAKA  replied there  are two  types of                                                               
situations where you  need to bring problems to  the attention of                                                               
your  superiors.  One  is  when you  disagree  because  the  data                                                               
doesn't  support  the direction.  She  said  she's been  in  that                                                               
situation and  if she  found herself in  that situation  now, she                                                               
would  feel  comfortable bringing  it  to  the attention  of  the                                                               
governor. However,  if he  didn't agree and  went in  a different                                                               
direction, she would  go in that direction too,  because he's her                                                               
superior.  The  other situation  is  if  your superior  is  doing                                                               
something that is obviously wrong  or illegal. She's also been in                                                               
the situation  and she didn't have  a problem reporting it  to an                                                               
independent  body. She  clarified  that  she has  not  had to  do                                                               
either of these with the governor.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER   said  your  answer  is   encouraging.  Those  are                                                               
important  character traits  and  the people  need to  understand                                                               
that commissioners  are in  positions of  high authority  and are                                                               
held to a higher standard than citizens.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  REINBOLD  said she  was  impressed  with Ms.  Tshibaka's                                                               
resume and thankful  she was willing to take the  job. She opined                                                               
that Ms.  Tshibaka is overqualified  and noted that the  state is                                                               
in crisis. She thanked her  for helping with trauma and addiction                                                               
problems and trying to reduce drug trafficking.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD  asked if  she was prepared  to ensure  that the                                                               
U.S. Supreme Court  ruling in Janus v. AFCME is  respected as the                                                               
law of the land.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   DESIGNEE  TSHIBAKA   said   yes;  the   department                                                               
immediately stopped taking deductions  from agency fee payers and                                                               
allowed employees to  become nonmembers. She added  that they are                                                               
watching other states  and the trends and will  implement the law                                                               
accordingly.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD opined  that union contracts are  a major driver                                                               
in the  budget and should be  part of the open  meetings act. She                                                               
said  she  would  understand  if  Ms.  Tshibaka  didn't  want  to                                                               
comment.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE TSHIBAKA replied  she checked on that after                                                               
their recent meeting  and found that union  contract meetings are                                                               
open to the public.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD thanked  her for the information.  She turned to                                                               
the  topic of  IRIS and  commented that,  "under the  Division of                                                               
Finance, it  is kind of  a disaster."  She asked Ms.  Tshibaka to                                                               
commit  to  help  make  the   IRIS  online  banking  system  more                                                               
transparent.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE  TSHIBAKA said she has  already requested a                                                               
full report.  She added that she  knows that there is  a contract                                                               
to update  the software, and  that there are  differences between                                                               
IRIS  and  the  statewide  reporting   system,  the  Alaska  Data                                                               
Enterprise Reporting  System (ALDER). "I am  concerned about your                                                               
concerns and I will keep looking into it," she said.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:49:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL thanked  her for taking the job. He  asked if she                                                               
had  looked at  the Alaska  Land Mobile  Radio System  (ALMR) and                                                               
whether  the  system's problems  could  be  fixed  or if  it  was                                                               
advisable to start over.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  DESIGNEE TSHIBAKA  replied she  knows that  all the                                                               
ALMR equipment  is being  changed and she  recalls that  there is                                                               
budgeting  and planning  to upgrade  the entire  system in  three                                                               
years. She said she did not recall the name of the upgrade.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL commented that ALMR  is a critical link, but it's                                                               
been something  of a  "pain in  the neck."  He encouraged  her to                                                               
engage with the federal government for help on the upgrade.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  REINBOLD  highlighted for  the  public  that the  Public                                                               
Defender  [Agency] and  the [Office]  of  Public Advocacy  reside                                                               
within the  Department of Administration  (DOA). She  opined that                                                               
the  public  defender has  had  an  odd  way of  calculating  the                                                               
caseloads in the  office and asked Ms. Tshibaka if  she was aware                                                               
of that method of calculation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  DESIGNEE  TSHIBAKA  replied   she  and  the  public                                                               
defender  have discussed  how cases  are calculated  and weighted                                                               
and how  the office chooses to  conflict out and turn  cases over                                                               
to  the Office  of Public  Advocacy. "We're  working together  to                                                               
develop an audit of  the office to figure out the  best way to do                                                               
business in his office and to  figure out what resources he needs                                                               
to best address his caseload," she said.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD encouraged  a hard audit and  offered her belief                                                               
that many  of the difficult  cases are conflicted out  and handed                                                               
to  the Office  of Public  Advocacy despite  the Public  Defender                                                               
Agency's  considerable  funding.  She  added  that  she  supports                                                               
starting an office of victim advocacy.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  commented  that   Ms.  Tshibaka  will  have  a                                                               
workload  that  meets  her impressive  credentials.  He  said  he                                                               
appreciates  her  energy  and  spirit and  he  looks  forward  to                                                               
working with her on the budget.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:55:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER opened public testimony.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:56:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT DAHL, representing self,  Inspector General U.S. Department                                                               
of  Labor,  Washington,  DC,  stated   that  he  appreciates  the                                                               
opportunity to  highly recommend  Kelly Tshibaka  as commissioner                                                               
of the  Department of  Administration. He can  attest to  many of                                                               
the things that  have been said about her  background and resume.                                                               
She's always  up to a  challenge and brings energy  to everything                                                               
she does. "I heartily endorse her," he said.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:57:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHELLE  HARTLINE,  representing  self,  Nikiski,  testified  in                                                               
support of  the nomination of  Kelly Tshibaka as  commissioner of                                                               
the Department  of Administration. She  said she has  known Kelly                                                               
Tshibaka since she  was born. She was precocious and  driven as a                                                               
child  and  selfless  in  giving  her  time  and  talent  to  the                                                               
community as  she got older.  This included serving meals  to the                                                               
homeless  at Beans  Cafe  and comforting  the  handicapped at  an                                                               
Anchorage nursing facility.  She graduated high school  at age 15                                                               
and confidently  went alone to  Texas A&M University.  She opined                                                               
that Kelly  represents the  ideal of  Alaskan youth  that parents                                                               
and educators  work hard  for their children  to become.  She has                                                               
always been  able to  excel in  a myriad  of subjects  and tasks,                                                               
always  employing logic,  humor, and  common sense.  She has  the                                                               
unique ability to see and accept  people for who they are without                                                               
judgement. She will be an asset to the department and the state.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:00:17 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNN HALLFORD,  representing self,  Palmer, testified  in support                                                               
of  the  nomination of  Kelly  Tshibaka  as commissioner  of  the                                                               
Department  of Administration.  She related  that she  is retired                                                               
and a  former oil  industry auditor. She  has known  Ms. Tshibaka                                                               
since she  was a child  and she  has always been  positive, hard-                                                               
working,   filled  with   integrity  and   spunk.  Her   auditing                                                               
background will help  DOA achieve efficiencies and  help save the                                                               
state money.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:01:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER  closed public testimony, thanked  everyone who took                                                               
the time to  call, and asked Ms. Tshibaka if  she had any closing                                                               
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER DESIGNEE  TSHIBAKA said, "thanks to  Scott, Mom, and                                                               
Lynn."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE noted  that there were several  more people from                                                               
across the  state who wanted to  testify, but in the  interest of                                                               
time the committee was moving forward.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER agreed  and added  that Senator  Kawasaki had  also                                                               
been  online.   He  encouraged  the  public   to  submit  written                                                               
testimony  to:  senate.state.affairs@akleg.gov  and  it  will  be                                                               
included in the public record.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:02:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER  stated that  in accordance  with AS  39.05.080, the                                                               
Senate State  Affairs Standing  Committee reviewed  the following                                                               
and  recommends  the  appointment(s)  be  forwarded  to  a  joint                                                               
session for consideration:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner, Department of Administration                                                                                    
Kelly Tshibaka - Anchorage                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Signing  the   reports  regarding  appointments  to   boards  and                                                               
commissions in  no way reflects  individual members'  approval or                                                               
disapproval  of  the  appointees;   the  nominations  are  merely                                                               
forwarded to the full legislature for confirmation or rejection.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:03:08 PM                                                                                                                    
at ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          SB  34-PROBATION; PAROLE; SENTENCES; CREDITS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:07:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   SHOWER  reconvened   the   meeting   and  announced   the                                                               
consideration of  SENATE BILL 34  "An Act relating  to probation;                                                               
relating to a  program allowing probationers to  earn credits for                                                               
complying  with the  conditions of  probation; relating  to early                                                               
termination  of  probation; relating  to  parole;  relating to  a                                                               
program allowing parolees to earn  credits for complying with the                                                               
conditions of  parole; relating to  early termination  of parole;                                                               
relating  to eligibility  for discretionary  parole; relating  to                                                               
good time; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  noted that  the CS  for  SB 34,  version M,  was the  working                                                               
document. He  noted who  was available  to answer  questions, and                                                               
that there were amendments for the committee to consider.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:08:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved Amendment 1, work order 31-                                                                               
GS1031\M.5.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                 31-GS1031\M.5                                                                  
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                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                    BY SENATOR SHOWER                                                                 
          TO:  CSSB 34(STA), Draft Version "M"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, lines 23 - 31:                                                                                                     
          Delete "[KEEP RECORDS OF THE PROBATION WORK,                                                                          
     INCLUDING ADMINISTRATIVE  SANCTIONS AND  INCENTIVES THE                                                                    
     PROBATION OFFICER  IMPOSES UNDER  AS 33.05.020(g), KEEP                                                                    
     ACCURATE AND  COMPLETE ACCOUNTS OF ALL  MONEY COLLECTED                                                                    
     FROM  PERSONS UNDER  THE  SUPERVISION  OF THE  OFFICER,                                                                    
     GIVE  RECEIPTS FOR  MONEY COLLECTED  AND MAKE  AT LEAST                                                                    
     MONTHLY RETURNS  OF IT, MAKE  THE REPORTS TO  THE COURT                                                                    
     AND  THE COMMISSIONER  REQUIRED  BY  THEM, AND  PERFORM                                                                    
     OTHER DUTIES THE COURT MAY DIRECT;                                                                                         
               (5)]"                                                                                                            
          Insert "keep records of the probation work [,                                                                         
     INCLUDING ADMINISTRATIVE  SANCTIONS AND  INCENTIVES THE                                                                    
     PROBATION OFFICER IMPOSES  UNDER AS 33.05.020(g)], keep                                                                    
     accurate and  complete accounts of all  money collected                                                                    
     from  persons under  the  supervision  of the  officer,                                                                    
     give  receipts for  money collected  and make  at least                                                                    
     monthly returns  of it, make  the reports to  the court                                                                    
     and  the commissioner  required  by  them, and  perform                                                                    
     other duties the court may direct;                                                                                         
               (5)"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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               (5)  AS 33.05.040(b), as amended by sec. 7 of                                                                    
     this Act"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR MICCICHE objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:08:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT OGAN,  Senior Policy Advisor,  Senator Mike  Shower, Alaska                                                               
State   Legislature,   explained   that  Amendment   1   restores                                                               
bookkeeping functions that were  unintentionally omitted from the                                                               
CS, and it  eliminates administrative sanctions. The  rest of the                                                               
amendment reflects conforming changes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:09:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE removed his objection.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER asked if there were further objections.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  objected  to  state  that  he  does  object  to                                                               
eliminating  administrative  sanctions  and will  speak  to  that                                                               
later.  Because he  supports the  reporting  mechanism, he  won't                                                               
object to the amendment. He removed his objection.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER found no further objection and Amendment 1 passed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:10:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved Amendment 2, work order 31-GS1031\M.4.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:12:03 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:12:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER reconvened the meeting  and asked Senator Coghill to                                                               
restate the motion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:12:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL restated the motion to adopt Amendment 2,                                                                       
31-GS1031\M.4.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                 31-GS1031\M.4                                                                  
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                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                    BY SENATOR SHOWER                                                                 
          TO:  CSSB 34(STA), Draft Version "M"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 22, following "imprisoned":                                                                                   
          Insert "until the order of the court is                                                                           
     satisfied"                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. OGAN explained that this technical amendment adds the phrase                                                                
that the order of the court must be satisfied, which the drafter                                                                
overlooked.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER clarified that Legislative Legal Services requested                                                                
this addition.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. OGAN agreed adding that the amendment does not make a                                                                       
substantive change.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL clarified for the public that this addition                                                                     
appears on page 2, line 22, of version M.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE removed his objection.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER found no further objection and stated that                                                                         
Amendment 2 has passed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:14:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved Amendment 3, work order 31-GS1031\M.6.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                 31-GS1031\M.6                                                                  
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                          AMENDMENT 3                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                 BY SENATOR SHOWER                                                                     
          TO:  CSSB 34(STA), Draft Version "M"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 19, following "shall":                                                                                        
          Insert ", in consultation with the Department of                                                                  
     Law and the Department of Public Safety,"                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:14:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  OGAN   explained  that  in   Section  4,   the  commissioner                                                               
establishes  by regulation  a  program  allowing probationers  to                                                               
earn credits for complying with  the conditions of probation. The                                                               
amendment  adds   the  requirement   that  the   regulations  are                                                               
established in consultation with  the Department of Public Safety                                                               
(DPS). This provides another set of  eyes for the review. He said                                                               
the consultation,  which could  be minimal,  is intended  to keep                                                               
political appointees accountable.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER added  that the  intent is  to ensure  coordination                                                               
among agencies  that enforce the  criminal justice system  and to                                                               
provide checks and balances. In  this particular case, there will                                                               
be coordination between the commissioner, DOL, and DPS.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL suggested  the committee  ask the  Department of                                                               
Law and  the Department  of Public Safety  (DPS) what  they think                                                               
that consultation would look like.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:17:03 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN SKIDMORE,  Director, Criminal  Division, Department  of Law,                                                               
advised that  a requirement for  consultation does not  alter the                                                               
ultimate authority  for the Department of  Corrections to develop                                                               
the program.  He said  the requirement  leaves flexibility  as to                                                               
what that  consultation will  look like, but  it does  place into                                                               
law  that it  will  occur. He  added  that it  has  not been  his                                                               
experience,  but  this prevents  a  situation  in which  the  DOC                                                               
develops the policy without talking to anyone else.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  asked if  the  Department  of Law  was  already                                                               
working with the Department of  Corrections on the development of                                                               
regulations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE  said   the  Department  of  Law   drafts  all  the                                                               
regulations  that   are  developed   by  departments,   but  that                                                               
consultation is  about format rather  than substance.  He related                                                               
his  experience that  agencies involved  in the  criminal justice                                                               
system  frequently  consult  with  the Department  of  Law  about                                                               
substance  when they're  developing  regulations. This  amendment                                                               
requires consultation on substance to occur.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  asked Ms.  Howell to  respond to  Senator Coghill's                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:19:46 PM                                                                                                                    
KELLY HOWELL,  Special Assistant to the  Commissioner, Department                                                               
of  Public Safety  (DPS), said  DPS would  work in  collaboration                                                               
with  the Department  of Corrections  as the  amendment requires.                                                               
She  agreed  with  Mr.  Skidmore   that  the  amendment  provides                                                               
flexibility  for  the  consultation  to  occur  through  whatever                                                               
method is most appropriate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL asked if DPS  would have substantive input on not                                                               
only  the  regulations  but  also  the  calculation  of  time  on                                                               
probation and recommendations to the court.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. HOWELL  said she  couldn't speak for  the commissioner  as to                                                               
how  the collaboration  would occur,  but she  believes that  the                                                               
commissioner  of public  safety would  want to  provide input  on                                                               
proposed changes. She added that  the Department of Law, DOC, and                                                               
DPS  already work  closely in  these  areas and  this places  the                                                               
requirement in statute.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL removed his objection.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE removed his objection to Amendment 3.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER   found  no  further  objection   and  stated  that                                                               
Amendment 3 has passed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:22:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved Amendment 4, work order 31-GS1031\M.13.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Note: This  amendment, which was  drafted by  Legislative Legal,                                                               
has paragraphs (1),  (2), (3), and (4)  inserted under subsection                                                               
(i). The copy  that committee members considered  did not include                                                               
paragraphs (3) and (4).]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                31-GS1031\M.13                                                                  
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                          AMENDMENT 4                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                 BY SENATOR SHOWER                                                                     
          TO:  CSSB 34(STA), Draft Version "M"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, lines 7 - 8:                                                                                                       
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
          "(i)  A probationer may not be enrolled in the                                                                        
      program established under (h) of this section if the                                                                      
     probationer                                                                                                                
               (1)  is incarcerated for a sex offense as                                                                        
     defined in AS 12.63.100;                                                                                                   
               (2)  is incarcerated for a crime against a                                                                       
     person under AS 11.41;                                                                                                     
               (3)  has three prior convictions arising                                                                         
     from separate criminal episodes; or                                                                                        
               (4)  has reoffended while on probation in                                                                        
     the past."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD  called a point  of order  to asked if  this was                                                               
Amendment 4 or an amendment to Amendment 4.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER clarified that it  was Amendment 4; the amendment to                                                               
Amendment 4 would be introduced subsequently.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:23:28 PM                                                                                                                    
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4:24:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER  reconvened  the  meeting and  asked  Mr.  Ogan  to                                                               
explain Amendment 4.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:24:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. OGAN explained  that Amendment 4 fixes a  drafting error. The                                                               
intent is  to make probationers convicted  of a sex offense  or a                                                               
crime  against  a  person  ineligible   for  the  earned  credits                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He asked if  the chair wanted an explanation of  the amendment to                                                               
the amendment at this time.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER deferred to more experienced committee members.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:25:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL advised  that  the proper  process  would be  to                                                               
adopt Amendment  4 and then  consider the amendment  to Amendment                                                               
4.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:25:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE removed his objection to Amendment 4.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL moved the amendment  to Amendment 4 that reads as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Amendment to Amendment 4           BY SENATOR SHOWER                                                                       
     CSSB 34(STA) Draft Version "M"                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Line 4 after "this section if the probationer" add: or                                                                 
     parolee                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Line 5 after (1) is, add: on probation or parole for a                                                                 
     sex offense as defined in AS 12.63.100                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Line 6 after (2) is, add: on probation or parole for a                                                                 
      felony or DV crime against a person as defined in AS                                                                  
     11.41                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:26:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:26:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  OGAN  explained  that  the amendment  to  Amendment  4  adds                                                               
parolees who  have been convicted  of either  a sex offense  or a                                                               
felony or  domestic violence crime  against a person to  the pool                                                               
of people who are ineligible for the earned credit program.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER   added  that  AS  33.05.020(h)   talks  about  the                                                               
commissioner  establishing a  program by  regulation that  allows                                                               
probationers to  earn credits for  complying with  the conditions                                                               
of probation. The intent of the  amendment is to exclude from the                                                               
credit  program those  probationers  and parolees  who have  been                                                               
convicted  of  the  more  serious   offenses  against  a  person,                                                               
including domestic violence.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:28:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL highlighted  that later on in  subsection (h), on                                                               
page 4, line 2 of the bill,  it says a probationer convicted of a                                                               
crime involving domestic violence as  defined in AS 18.66.990, is                                                               
required  to  complete  all treatment  programs  [required  as  a                                                               
condition  probations before  discharge based  on credits  earned                                                               
under subsection  (h).] He suggested that  the proposed amendment                                                               
might conflict with the bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER noted that after  working with legislative legal the                                                               
decision was to  insert the amendment in this  location. He asked                                                               
Mr. Ogan if he wanted to expound.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. OGAN deferred to the Department of Law.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:30:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  SKIDMORE  said he  would  recommend  two things.  First,  AS                                                               
33.05.020(h)  talks   about  the  commissioner   establishing  by                                                               
regulation a  program for probationers, not  parolees. Therefore,                                                               
anything  that is  done to  this statute  has to  talk about  the                                                               
program  for  probationers.  A  separate  statute  establishes  a                                                               
program for parolees.  If the intent is to have  the policy apply                                                               
to both probationers  and parolees, anything that is  done in the                                                               
probation statute needs to be replicated in the parole statute.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Second,  Amendment  4,  31-GS1031\M.13,   should  be  amended  by                                                               
replacing  the  term "incarcerated"  on  lines  5  and 6  of  the                                                               
amendment with  "on probation" [because  someone on  probation is                                                               
no longer incarcerated.]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Returning to  the first  point, he advised  that the  statute for                                                               
parolees  is AS  33.16.270. He  noted that  the bill  also amends                                                               
that statute,  starting in Section  18 on page  11 of the  CS. He                                                               
said this is where any information  about how to restrict who can                                                               
be  in the  earned compliance  credit program  under the  parolee                                                               
scenario. He  suggested that the  likely location for  the change                                                               
would  be on  page 12  in paragraph  (3). The  language would  be                                                               
similar to the probationer language  he suggested but would refer                                                               
to a  parolee. "If  there were  different policy  objectives than                                                               
that, then I would need more time  to sort out how you would want                                                               
to address that," he said.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  observed that that  explains the  policy objective,                                                               
but the amendment [doesn't achieve that objective.]                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL suggested  the committee  rescind its  action to                                                               
adopt Amendment 4 and start over.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:36:13 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  OGAN  said  legislative  legal  suggested  articulating  the                                                               
policy call for  the record and giving them  express authority to                                                               
work the appropriate amendment into the bill.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:36:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  moved to  rescind  the  committee's action  on                                                               
Amendment 4.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  found  no  objection   and  the  action  to  adopt                                                               
Amendment 4 was rescinded.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:38:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER withdrew proposed Amendment 5, work order 31-                                                                      
GS1031\M.8, from consideration.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:39:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved Amendment 6, work order 31-GS1031\M.2.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                 31-GS1031\M.2                                                                  
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                          AMENDMENT 6                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                BY SENATOR COGHILL                                                                     
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SENATOR MICCICHE objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL   explained  that  the  amendment   deletes  all                                                               
material  in  bill  Section  3,   which  amends  AS  12.55.090(g)                                                               
regarding  probation. This  section  makes  it permissive  rather                                                               
than  directive  for  a  probation   officer  to  recommend  that                                                               
probation  be   terminated,  and   the  person   discharged  from                                                               
probation   under  certain   conditions.  And   it  removes   the                                                               
conditions of having served two  years on probation under certain                                                               
circumstances and  having served  18 months  on probation  if the                                                               
conviction was  for a crime that  is not a crime  under a certain                                                               
definition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL said  his intent  is to  have the  probationer's                                                               
application  go  before  the board  for  consideration  based  on                                                               
certain requirements. He said he  feels very strongly about this,                                                               
but he wasn't  sure if this particular amendment  was the correct                                                               
approach.  He said  he  intended to  withdraw  the amendment  but                                                               
wanted to  make his  wishes known  in the  hope that  members who                                                               
have  the opportunity  to  touch  the bill  two  more times  will                                                               
continue to work with him.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:41:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL withdrew Amendment 6, work order 31-GS1031\M.2.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
He said  he was withdrawing  it "with the  idea that I  think the                                                               
requirement demands that the bureaucracy  work and the 'may' says                                                               
you  may  work, and  it  leaves  our  probation world  under  two                                                               
different  people  that  I struggle  with  bureaucratically.  Not                                                               
personally, not  integrity wise,  just bureaucratically  and that                                                               
is the  people who handle the  probation request at the  jail and                                                               
those who handle it at the board."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:42:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD called a point of  order to say that Amendment 7                                                               
replaces the term "shall" with "may."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  pointed  out  that Amendment  6  addresses  the                                                               
change from  "shall" to "may" on  page 2, line 29.  It's a return                                                               
to the language [pre-2016].                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD noted that Amendment  7 changes the term "shall"                                                               
to  "may" [in  regard to  parole officer  recommendations to  the                                                               
board].                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  continued  to  say   that  the  data  from  the                                                               
probation and  parole office indicates  that the people  who have                                                               
been  eligible for  probation and  parole under  these conditions                                                               
have been successful and are  not reoffending. He reiterated that                                                               
he was  withdrawing Amendment  6 and would  like members  to keep                                                               
this in mind as they look  at and work on different iterations of                                                               
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  stated that Amendment 6,  work order 31-GS1031\M.2,                                                               
is withdrawn.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:44:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved Amendment 7, work order 31-GS1031\M.3.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                 31-GS1031\M.3                                                                  
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                          AMENDMENT 7                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SENATOR MICCICHE objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL explained that Amendment  7 is basically the same                                                               
as Amendment 6,  but it relates to a  parole officer recommending                                                               
to the  board early discharge for  a parolee who has  met certain                                                               
conditions. The board is not  obligated to discharge the parolee,                                                               
but it must consider the application.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:45:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  withdrew Amendment 7, work  order 31-GS1031\M.3,                                                               
and asked members to watch this as the bill moves forward.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:46:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved Amendment 8, work order 31-GS1031\M.11.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                31-GS1031\M.11                                                                  
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                          AMENDMENT 8                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE               BY SENATOR MICCICHE                                                                    
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               (8)       TO   A   SINGLE    SENTENCE   UNDER                                                                    
     AS 12.55.125(i)(3) AND  (4), AND  HAS NOT  BEEN ALLOWED                                                                    
     BY  THE  THREE-JUDGE  PANEL UNDER  AS 12.55.175  TO  BE                                                                    
     CONSIDERED  FOR DISCRETIONARY  PAROLE RELEASE,  MAY NOT                                                                    
     BE RELEASED ON DISCRETIONARY  PAROLE UNTIL THE PRISONER                                                                    
     HAS  SERVED, AFTER  A DEDUCTION  FOR  GOOD TIME  EARNED                                                                    
     UNDER  AS 33.20.010, ONE-HALF  OF  THE  ACTIVE TERM  OF                                                                    
     IMPRISONMENT IMPOSED]"                                                                                                     
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               (8)       to   a   single    sentence   under                                                                  
     AS 12.55.125(d)      for      an     offense      under                                                                
     AS 11.71.030(a)(1)   or  (2)   [AS 12.55.125(i)(3)  AND                                                                
     (4)],  and  has not  been  allowed  by the  three-judge                                                                    
     panel   under  AS 12.55.175   to   be  considered   for                                                                    
     discretionary parole  release, may  not be  released on                                                                    
     discretionary parole  until the prisoner has  served [,                                                                    
     AFTER   A  DEDUCTION   FOR  GOOD   TIME  EARNED   UNDER                                                                    
     AS 33.20.010,]   one-half  of   the   active  term   of                                                                    
     imprisonment imposed"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR REINBOLD objected for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE   explained  that   Amendment  8   changes  the                                                               
mandatory minimum term  a prisoner must serve to  be eligible for                                                               
discretionary parole.  For class  B drug trafficking,  a prisoner                                                               
would  be eligible  for discretionary  parole after  serving one-                                                               
half  of  their  sentence  rather than  one-quarter  and  for  an                                                               
unclassified drug offense  the change is from  one-third of their                                                               
sentence to  one-half of  their sentence. He  said he  feels that                                                               
the state  is under  a siege of  drug-related issues  and violent                                                               
crimes now, and the data shows  that in years past when crime has                                                               
been high  these are the  crimes that contribute to  other lower-                                                               
level  crimes. The  message, he  said, is  that Alaska  is not  a                                                               
preferred market for drug trafficking.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:47:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD removed her objection.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:47:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  objected to hear  the Department of  Law discuss                                                               
how this new concept might work.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:48:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SKIDMORE said  this isn't his area of expertise  and he would                                                               
suggest the  committee ask Mr.  Edwards from the Board  of Parole                                                               
to explain.  Responding to  the chair,  he said  Senator Micciche                                                               
did a  good job of  describing the  amendment to Section  10 that                                                               
proposes to change AS 33.16.090(b)(1).  It talks about a prisoner                                                               
who is  eligible under  (a)(1) of this  section who  is sentenced                                                               
under the  sentencing statute  for unclassified  felony offenses,                                                               
AS  12.55.125(a)  and  (b), is  not  eligible  for  discretionary                                                               
parole until  they have served  the mandatory minimum  under this                                                               
statute and  then one-third  of the  active term  of imprisonment                                                               
imposed. Amendment  8 proposes  to change the  term that  must be                                                               
served  from one-third  to  one-half. He  said  he believes  that                                                               
refers  to  the active  time  remaining.  He requested  that  Mr.                                                               
Edwards confirm that interpretation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:50:27 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFFREY EDWARDS,  Director, State  Parole Board,  Anchorage, said                                                               
Mr. Skidmore  and Senator Micciche  did a good job  of explaining                                                               
Amendment  8.  The  inmate  serving the  sentence  would  not  be                                                               
eligible  to apply  for early  release  until they  had served  a                                                               
certain  term  of  the  active   term  of  imprisonment  imposed.                                                               
Currently that is one-third of  the active term and the amendment                                                               
changes that to  one-half. The prisoner would have  to serve half                                                               
their  sentence or  the mandatory  minimum, whichever  is greater                                                               
before  they could  apply  to  the parole  board  for release  on                                                               
discretionary parole.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  said he  understands  the  policy call  and  he                                                               
believes the  fiscal note will  change. He asked Mr.  Skidmore if                                                               
mandatory minimums  are considered when a  prosecutor considers a                                                               
plea deal.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  confirmed that a  prosecutor who was  considering a                                                               
negotiated  resolution  could  look   at  mandatory  minimums  to                                                               
understand when  somebody would  be eligible  for parole,  but he                                                               
didn't think it happens very often.  He admitted that in 20 years                                                               
as a  prosecutor, he only  focused on the ultimate  sentence when                                                               
he was trying to  determine how to make an offer  in the case. He                                                               
never looked at when the person was eligible for parole.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL said  he brought it up because  early release has                                                               
become a point of discussion.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:53:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  reminded  the  committee that  SB  34  removes                                                               
several categories  of crimes from eligibility  for discretionary                                                               
parole. The  amendment deals with  relatively serious  crimes and                                                               
it  increases  the  minimum  time served  before  a  prisoner  is                                                               
eligible, but  they are not removed  from the list. He  said drug                                                               
trafficking destroys  the lives of  many Alaskans every  year and                                                               
this is  just saying they  must serve half their  sentence before                                                               
they're eligible to apply for  discretionary parole. He described                                                               
it as a reasonable approach.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:54:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. OGAN suggested the committee  ask Mr. Skidmore how this would                                                               
affect a suspended sentence.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SKIDMORE explained  that  the  time a  court  imposes as  an                                                               
active  term of  imprisonment is  what impacts  when somebody  is                                                               
eligible  for discretionary  parole.  The suspended  time is  not                                                               
calculated for parole;  it serves as the  potential sanction that                                                               
could  be  imposed when  a  person  on probation  violates  their                                                               
conditions of release.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He continued  to say that he  talked about the first  part of the                                                               
amendment that deals with unclassified  felonies. The second half                                                               
of the amendment talks about when  someone convicted of a class B                                                               
felony for  a drug  offense would  be eligible  for discretionary                                                               
parole. That is on  page 1, line 21-23 through page  2, line 3 of                                                               
Amendment  8, 31-GS1031\M.11.  He suggested  the committee  watch                                                               
other  bills  that  have  been   proposed  that  may  changes  AS                                                               
12.55.125(d) and  AS 11.71.030(a)(1)  or (2)  to ensure  that the                                                               
intent  of   the  amendment  is  preserved.   He  summarized  his                                                               
understanding  of  the intent  which  is  to limit  discretionary                                                               
parole for  those people that are  convicted of a class  B felony                                                               
for  a  drug  offense.  He   noted  that  SB  34  already  limits                                                               
discretionary  parole for  a class  A felony.  Amendment 8  deals                                                               
with  unclassified   felonies,  class  A  felonies   are  already                                                               
covered,   and  this   goes  to   class  B   felonies  for   drug                                                               
distribution. The  clear idea is  to limit their  eligibility for                                                               
discretionary parole until after they have served half the time.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER said that's a salient point.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:57:47 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR REINBOLD removed her objection.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  asked Senator  Coghill if he  wanted to  remove his                                                               
objection.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  said he  didn't mind  requiring people  to spend                                                               
the extra time in jail, but  he was not interested in making them                                                               
better criminals. He said he'd  remove his objection and probably                                                               
vote no on the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:59:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER stated that Amendment 8  has passed. He said that is                                                               
the  last amendment  and the  bill  is before  the committee  for                                                               
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   COGHILL  pointed   out   the  bill   deletes  all   the                                                               
administrative  sanctions  as   well  as  limiting  discretionary                                                               
parole.  He  said  he  agrees  with  earlier  comments  that  the                                                               
sanctions were  not as swift  and certain as everyone  hoped, but                                                               
he  continues  to believe  there  is  room  to improve  that.  He                                                               
directed  attention  to page  34  of  the 2018  Criminal  Justice                                                               
Reform Report. He read the following into the record:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sanctions   and   incentives.  Parole   and   probation                                                                  
     officers now  use a system of  administrative sanctions                                                                    
     and  incentives  to  facilitate  prompt  and  effective                                                                    
     responses   to  compliance   with   or  violations   of                                                                    
     conditions    of   supervision.    The   administrative                                                                    
     sanctions are  used before filing  a petition  with the                                                                    
     court  or  the  parole  board to  revoke  probation  or                                                                    
     parole.  [The  sanctions  are  designed  to  be  swift,                                                                    
     certain, and  proportionate to the  transgression; this                                                                    
     is  an evidence-based  practice  that  studies show  is                                                                    
     more effective in encouraging course correction.]                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  explained that the  idea with the  probation and                                                               
parole reform in 2016 was trying  to make sure supervision was on                                                               
those who needed it and incentives  were given for those who were                                                               
successful  and didn't  reoffend. This  report indicates  that is                                                               
happening;  probationers and  parolees are  held accountable  and                                                               
are able to  earn compliance credits. Because the  bill deletes a                                                               
lot of that, he said he probably could not support the bill.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:01:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER said  he was looking at that but  decided to look at                                                               
it in the judiciary committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  said he appreciates  that, but this is  his only                                                               
chance to work on the bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  REINBOLD   thanked  the  chair  for   working  hard  and                                                               
diligently on  the bill  with all the  committee members  and the                                                               
public. She  described the amendments  as excellent and  said she                                                               
was pleased to support the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER asked Senator Micciche to read the fiscal notes.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:02:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  warned that  the fiscal notes  may change  as a                                                               
result of the amendments that passed today.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Fiscal  Note  Number   1  from  the  Criminal   Division  of  the                                                               
Department of  Law is  zero. The  allocation is  Criminal Justice                                                               
Litigation  and the  OMB Component  Number is  2202. It  says the                                                               
Department of  Law anticipates an increase  in litigation similar                                                               
to what it  saw with the passage of the  initial criminal justice                                                               
reform. However,  the department  does not anticipate  any fiscal                                                               
impact from the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Fiscal  Note  Number  2  from   the  Department  of  Corrections,                                                               
Population   Management,  Institution   Director's  Office,   OMB                                                               
Component  Number 1381  is indeterminant.  The reasoning  is that                                                               
offenders will be incarcerated longer.  If the additional inmates                                                               
do not  exceed capacity, there is  no cost to the  department. If                                                               
the increase  exceeds capacity  the cost is  $168.74 per  day per                                                               
inmate. The department  does not have adequate  data to determine                                                               
the exact number, thus the note is indeterminate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Fiscal  Note  Number  3  from   the  Department  of  Corrections,                                                               
Population  Management, Probation  and Parole  Director's Office,                                                               
OMB Component Number 2684 has  an FY20 operating cost of $57,600.                                                               
In  FY21 it  increases to  $86,400 and  from FY22  to FY25  it is                                                               
$172,800 per year in general fund dollars.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section  [4] says  that with  fewer terminations,  offenders will                                                               
spend  longer  on probation  at  a  cost  of  $9.57 per  day  per                                                               
probationer.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 6 reduces the earned  compliance credits for probation to                                                               
one-third the prior amount.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Section  7 adds  the  stipulation that  probationers who  violate                                                               
conditions of probation forfeit  any credits earned which extends                                                               
the period of probation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 16 changes  the tolling calculation to what  it was prior                                                               
to the current law. There  is insufficient data to determine that                                                               
cost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Section  18   stipulates  that  a  parolee   who  violates  their                                                               
conditions of  parole forfeits any  credits earned  which extends                                                               
the period of parole at a cost of $9.57 per day.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section  20  repeals  mandatory early  termination  of  probation                                                               
which  will probably  result in  some probationers  spending more                                                               
time on probation at a cost of $9.57 per day.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Fiscal Note  Number 4 from the  Alaska Court System is  zero. The                                                               
Allocation is Trial Courts, and  the OMB Component Number is 768.                                                               
It says the changes in the bill  will not have a fiscal impact on                                                               
the Court System.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:06:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER noted  that legislative  legal would  need to  make                                                               
conforming changes.  He stated  his intent to  move the  bill and                                                               
solicited a motion.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:06:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL moved  to report  CSSB 34(STA),  31-GS1031\M, as                                                               
amended,  from  committee  with  individual  recommendations  and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SHOWER  found  no  objection  and  CSSB  34(STA)  [amended                                                               
version M]  was reported from  the Senate State  Affairs Standing                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:07:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER recessed the meeting until 6:00 pm.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        SB  23-APPROP:SUPP. PAYMENTS OF PRIOR YEARS' PFD                                                                    
                 SB  24-PFD SUPPLEMENTAL PAYMENTS                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:02:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  23 "An                                                               
Act  making  special  appropriations from  the  earnings  reserve                                                               
account  for  the  payment  of   permanent  fund  dividends;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
and                                                                                                                             
SENATE BILL  24 "An  Act directing the  Department of  Revenue to                                                               
pay dividends to certain eligible  individuals; and providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He opened  public testimony and  limited testimony to  one minute                                                               
due to  the high level of  interest. He advised that  all written                                                               
testimony  submitted to  senate.state.affairs@akleg.gov would  be                                                               
entered into  the record. Committee members  present were Senator                                                               
Reinbold, Senator Micciche, and  Chair Shower, and Senator Bishop                                                               
was in the audience. He asked  all testifiers to be respectful of                                                               
the process and in their comments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:04:52 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID OTNESS,  representing self, Cordova, during  the hearing on                                                               
SB 23 and  SB 24, testified that he'd like  to see residents come                                                               
together as a state before the dividend money is returned.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:05:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLES  MCKEE, representing  self,  Anchorage, testified  during                                                               
the  hearing on  SB 23  and  SB 24  and noted  he also  submitted                                                               
written information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:07:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE PRAX,  representing self, Fairbanks, urged  the committee to                                                               
pass SB 23  and SB 24 with a "must  pass" recommendation. He read                                                               
AS 43.23.005(a)  and said the former  administration violated the                                                               
peoples' trust  by appropriating  less than the  statutory amount                                                               
from  the earnings  reserve to  the dividend  fund that  Alaskans                                                               
were entitled  to receive. He  opined that Alaskans have  a right                                                               
to  demand  payment   of  the  amount  that   was  withheld.  The                                                               
legislature should  honor this debt before  considering any other                                                               
expenditure, he said.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:08:42 PM                                                                                                                    
LARRY CALVIN,  representing self, Sitka, testified  in opposition                                                               
to SB  23 and  SB 24.  He questioned why  the governor  wanted to                                                               
clean up the  swamp of "those swampy things"  like education, the                                                               
ferry system,  swimming pools, and  towns. He opined that  it was                                                               
because  he and  his  well-off  associates do  not  want a  state                                                               
income tax.  He described the  PFD payback  as a bribe  that buys                                                               
the vote of  people who dearly need the  dividend. He recommended                                                               
reading  "Dark  Money"  by  Jane   Mayer  and  The  Corrosion  of                                                               
Conservationism: Why I Left the Right by Max Boot.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:10:10 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID NOON, representing self, Juneau,  stated that while he just                                                               
received his  15th PFD as an  Alaskan resident, he wanted  to add                                                               
his voice to those urging the committee  not to pass SB 23 and SB                                                               
24. "I don't think it's a wise  move," he said. He shared how his                                                               
family has put the dividends to  good use and that he understands                                                               
that  the  PFD  is  a  substantial  source  of  income  for  many                                                               
Alaskans. Reduced PFDs  would hit those Alaskans  the hardest but                                                               
in the long  term, reductions in schools,  hospitals, senior care                                                               
facilities,  and ferries  will hit  the most  vulnerable Alaskans                                                               
even harder. He urged the committee to look for other solutions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:11:35 PM                                                                                                                    
at ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:11:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR SHOWER reconvened the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:11:55 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIAN  MERRIT,  representing  self,   Wrangell,  stated  that  he                                                               
opposes  both SB  23 and  SB 24,  but appreciates  the hard  work                                                               
legislators have  done to make  Alaska a great state.  He related                                                               
that he has lived in Alaska  for 51 years and taught fourth grade                                                               
for 29  years and  he would be  happy to donate  his PFD  to keep                                                               
education strong  and traditional  state services alive.  He said                                                               
he has  been a  commercial fisherman  for 40  years and  he wants                                                               
Wrangell to  continue to receive  fishing revenue through  tax so                                                               
the town can  continue to help support community  needs. He urged                                                               
the  committee  to  work  on drafting  legislation  that  sets  a                                                               
priority  for  state  services  first  and  the  PFD  second.  He                                                               
concluded  that, "The  PFD  is a  club that  is  going to  mangle                                                               
Alaska to the point that Alaskans  leave, and nobody will want to                                                               
move here."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:12:55 PM                                                                                                                    
ROBERT  HALL,  representing  self, MatSu,  predicted  the  failed                                                               
outcome of [SB  23 and SB 24] during the  regular session and the                                                               
likely   special  session   that   will   follow.  He   suggested                                                               
legislators think  now about  a resolution  that could  go before                                                               
the  people  this  summer  with  a  package  of  permanent  fund,                                                               
revenue,  and constitutional  amendments and  then go  to special                                                               
session.  Responding to  a question  from the  chair, he  said he                                                               
supports the bills as part of a package.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:14:20 PM                                                                                                                    
DONALD  WESTLAND, representing  self, Ketchikan,  stated that  he                                                               
opposes  both SB  23  and  SB 24  because  the  state can  afford                                                               
neither.  He paraphrased  the  last part  of  the Declaration  of                                                               
Rights in  art I,  sec 1,  Constitution of  the State  of Alaska,                                                               
"...that  all persons  are equal  and entitled  to equal  rights,                                                               
opportunities,  and  protection  under  the  law;  and  that  all                                                               
persons have corresponding  obligations to the people  and to the                                                               
State." He said  anybody who is using  entitlement programs needs                                                               
to  help pay  for them  and passing  these bills  will place  the                                                               
state in  a position of  economic hardship. He shared  that given                                                               
the  opportunity  he'd "Pick-Click-Give"  his  PFD  to the  ferry                                                               
system.  For  those  living  in Ketchikan,  the  ferry  is  their                                                               
highway.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:15:43 PM                                                                                                                    
JACK DETZEL,  representing self,  Delta Junction,  stated support                                                               
for  SB  23  and  SB  24.  He said  it  is  imperative  that  the                                                               
legislature right  the state's financial  ship and  quit spending                                                               
money. He opined  that the people who created  the permanent fund                                                               
would be  aghast at the previous  administration's activities. He                                                               
said Alaskans  who elected Governor Dunleavy  support these bills                                                               
and "there's  plenty of  opportunity for  you to  consolidate and                                                               
make state  services with  individual agencies  through important                                                               
ways to  cost-share and things  of that nature." He  implored the                                                               
committee to  do the foregoing  before taking any  more dividends                                                               
from the people  and to refund all the dividends  that were taken                                                               
from the people as soon as possible.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:16:48 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  SOL  NEELY,  PhD,  representing   self  and  his  8-year-old                                                               
daughter, Juneau,  said he  was speaking in  opposition to  SB 23                                                               
and SB  24. He  said he  shares Mr.  Teal's speculation  that the                                                               
governor's  budget was  designed to  create political,  economic,                                                               
and moral chaos. He opined that  a budget is a moral document and                                                               
this  budget promises  "moral horror."  He described  it as  dark                                                               
ideology  sourced  by dark  money  that  will destroy  the  state                                                               
economy  just when  it needs  to  diversify. He  said his  family                                                               
would happily  take thousand dollar  dividends or no  dividend at                                                               
all   to  support   building   the   state  infrastructure,   its                                                               
institutions, and economy.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:18:09 PM                                                                                                                    
JESSE BJORKMAN  representing self, Nikiski, stated  opposition to                                                               
SB 23  and SB  24. He  said the people  trust the  legislature to                                                               
govern  responsibly and  Alaskans  need  a responsive  government                                                               
more  than a  Keynesian cash  infusion that  will super-heat  the                                                               
economy, stress depleted state services,  and cost jobs when only                                                               
half the  Alaskans have work.  He pointed out that  Alaskans rely                                                               
on  government  to  manage  fish  and  game,  natural  resources,                                                               
educate kids, and respond to  emergencies. During times of budget                                                               
shortfall,   reserves   must   be    used   wisely   to   deliver                                                               
constitutionally mandated services that all  Alaskans rely on. He                                                               
said  the earnings  reserve account  is  intended to  be used  to                                                               
deliver constitutionally  mandated services  when oil  revenue is                                                               
low and  "a child's ability to  read and a citizen's  safety from                                                               
crime should not rely on the price  of a barrel of oil." He urged                                                               
the committee not to pass this shortsighted legislation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:19:09 PM                                                                                                                    
STEPHANIE CRONIN  representing self,  Seward, stated that  she is                                                               
adamantly opposed to  SB 23 and SB  24. She said she  and most of                                                               
the people  she's talked to  would gladly  give up their  PFDs if                                                               
that's what it  takes to maintain a viable  education system. She                                                               
described   the  proposed   25  percent   cut  to   education  as                                                               
"unthinkable"  and that  doesn't include  the cuts  to the  ferry                                                               
system, the  university, [Medicaid],  etc. She  said she  has two                                                               
school age children  and her family will leave Alaska  if the PFD                                                               
is  fully funded  at the  expense of  her children's  educational                                                               
opportunity. She  has lived  in Alaska  for 28  years and  been a                                                               
teacher for 22 years and  has received the presidential award for                                                               
excellence in  math and science  teaching, the BP Teacher  of the                                                               
Year for KPBSD in 2017, and  the Alaska State Teacher of the Year                                                               
alternate in 2017. She said  she has planned to continue teaching                                                               
and retire  in Alaska, but  she will  rethink that plan  if these                                                               
bills  pass. Their  negative consequences  will far  outweigh the                                                               
benefit, she said.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:20:16 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  MAYER,  Superintendent,  Yakutat  School  District;  and                                                               
president  of both  the Alaska  Council of  School Administrators                                                               
and  the  Alaska  Superintendent's Association,  Yakutat,  stated                                                               
opposition to SB 23 and SB 24.  He said the prospect of the state                                                               
paying  full   dividends  when  it  isn't   meeting  its  primary                                                               
financial  obligation of  funding education  is unacceptable.  He                                                               
said the PFD may  be important, but it should not  be a choice of                                                               
funding public education  or cutting it by 25 percent  to pay for                                                               
the dividend. He  is a 25 year resident of  Alaska and the father                                                               
of three voting children who  does not see benefit in dismantling                                                               
the  infrastructure  of the  state  and  encouraging citizens  to                                                               
leave the state.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
AMY SWEENEY,  representing self,  Sitka, stated opposition  to SB                                                               
23  and  SB 24.  She  said  the plan  will  take  money that  the                                                               
government needs  to pay for  essential services such  as schools                                                               
and  the state  ferry.  "I don't  want Alaska  to  become like  a                                                               
third-world  country  without  adequate  schools,  transportation                                                               
infrastructure  and medical  care," she  said. She  said she  was                                                               
willing to  give up her  PFD and pay a  state income tax  to make                                                               
money available for government services that everyone needs.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:22:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SUE  LITMAN  representing  self,   Sitka,  stated  that  she  was                                                               
vehemently  opposed to  both  SB  23 and  SB  24.  She said  it's                                                               
sometimes  nice to  receive free  money,  but this  isn't one  of                                                               
those  times. The  dividend payments  the  Governor is  proposing                                                               
will  come  at the  expense  of  public  schools in  Alaska.  She                                                               
pointed  out  that  at  the  same  time  that  Governor  Dunleavy                                                               
proposes to  give Alaskans free  money, he proposes to  take back                                                               
money already allocated  to school districts for  FY19. Also, the                                                               
FY20  budget  has  an  approximate   25  percent  cut  to  public                                                               
education, 41 percent cut to the  university and a 75 percent cut                                                               
to the  ferry system. She said  this is shortsighted and  will be                                                               
an economic disaster for the state.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:23:54 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID BRIGHTON, representing  self, Kenai, said he  is the father                                                               
of three school-age children speaking  in opposition to SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24. He said it is a  serious mistake to pay large dividends at                                                               
the expense of state services. He  and his wife are talking about                                                               
leaving Alaska if  the education cuts stand and  the norm becomes                                                               
40 plus students per classroom.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:24:15 PM                                                                                                                    
GHERET  ABBOTT, representing  self, Ketchikan,  said he  supports                                                               
progressive and  honest taxation,  so he's  opposed to  using the                                                               
PFD and  the permanent  fund earnings  reserve for  revenue until                                                               
all other alternatives have been  exhausted. He opposes using the                                                               
PFD  and  the  earnings  reserve  for  revenue  until  all  other                                                               
alternatives  have  been  exhausted.  "I therefore  urge  you  to                                                               
restore the permanent fund dividend  to full, repay all the money                                                               
taken  from previous  dividends, and  instead fund  all essential                                                               
state services  through the institution  of a  progressive income                                                               
tax together with higher oil prices," he said.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:25:22 PM                                                                                                                    
EARL LACKEY, representing  self, MatSu, said he  realizes that it                                                               
is difficult  to cut  the budget  like the  governor has,  but it                                                               
still makes  sense because  paying out  the dividends  will jump-                                                               
start the economy  and "get things rolling like  they should here                                                               
in the  state." He  opined that  the budget  was cut  because the                                                               
school system,  which is  the worst  in the  nation, needs  to be                                                               
revamped. "These  cuts in the  long run  will ... make  it better                                                               
and move forward, so I am definitely for SB 23 and 24," he said.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:26:28 PM                                                                                                                    
LUANN MCVEY, representing self, Douglas,  said she believes it is                                                               
wrong  to give  out  [the PFD]  when there  is  such an  economic                                                               
shortage. Rather,  the focus should  be on revenues.  She pointed                                                               
out that one way to  improve the state's economic situation would                                                               
be  to stop  paying  oil tax  credits, and  a  way of  increasing                                                               
income for the  state would be to institute  a progressive income                                                               
tax. She said  she believes it is wrong to  give out the dividend                                                               
now unless it is means-based. She  said she values the quality of                                                               
life in Alaska, the schools, and the university.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:27:49 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD STEELE  representing self, Douglas, said  he's lived here                                                               
for 40  years and  collected the  first PFD  that was  $1,000. He                                                               
used it for a trip to Belize.  Both of his daughters and his wife                                                               
graduated  from  the  University  of Alaska  and  he  received  a                                                               
teaching certificate  from that institution. He  asked, "Which is                                                               
better, money in  my pocket or investment in education?  So I say                                                               
I  oppose  both   these  bills."  Instead,  use   the  money  for                                                               
infrastructure and education, he said.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
JANET MCCABE,  representing self, Anchorage, stated  that she was                                                               
speaking in opposition  to both SB 23 and SB  24. She pointed out                                                               
that  economists have  made it  clear that  extra-large dividends                                                               
and extreme  cuts are destructive  to the economic  stability and                                                               
fiscal  well-being  of  Alaska.  She  asked  the  legislature  to                                                               
instead  pass legislation  that  will provide  a modest  dividend                                                               
based on the percent of market  value system and a combination of                                                               
broad-based taxes to  fill the remaining fiscal  gap. "The Alaska                                                               
you  create  now will  be  a  legacy  for  our children  and  our                                                               
grandchildren," she said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:29:42 PM                                                                                                                    
BONNIE WOLDSTAD, representing  self, Fairbanks, stated opposition                                                               
to both  SB 23 and  SB 24. She  said when  she voted in  favor of                                                               
establishing the  permanent fund,  she also voted  to set  up the                                                               
savings  account. She  asked the  legislature to  consider moving                                                               
the money that was withheld from  the dividend into the corpus of                                                               
the fund.  She pointed out that  the PFD was initially  capped at                                                               
$1,000. She posited  that the state structure  and state services                                                               
have been  cannibalized and  it was time  to stop  seeking short-                                                               
term personal gain  and start looking for  long-term benefits for                                                               
the state. She thanked the  chair for scheduling the hearing when                                                               
working people could testify.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:30:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT MACMANUS  representing self,  Tok, said  he is  a life-long                                                               
Alaskan  who has  filed  for and  received  every permanent  fund                                                               
dividend and he is  strongly opposed to SB 23 and  SB 24. He said                                                               
he supports  the proper  funding of  government and  the original                                                               
intent of the fund to maintain  the state's ability to provide an                                                               
adequate  education   and  ensure   the  health  and   safety  of                                                               
residents.  He reminded  members  that the  fund  was created  to                                                               
replace  the  nonrenewable resource  of  oil  with the  renewable                                                               
resource of financial investments. It  was not intended to create                                                               
an entitlement. He  described the bills as  wedge issues designed                                                               
to  turn  Alaskans   against  each  other  and   their  backs  on                                                               
education, senior  citizens, those who  depend on the  PCE [power                                                               
cost equalization], or who need the ferry system.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:31:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE ILLG,  representing self, Homer,  said he has  a 10-year-old                                                               
daughter  and is  vehemently  opposed  to SB  23  and  SB 24.  He                                                               
described the promise  of a large dividend as a  disaster for the                                                               
state. Instead,  the state  needs to  ensure there  is sufficient                                                               
money  for public  education. He  said  it will  become a  public                                                               
safety  issue  if  public  education   is  cut  25  percent.  "My                                                               
testimony is against these two bills," he said.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:33:01 PM                                                                                                                    
PATRICK  HEUER,  representing  self,  Sitka, he  said  he  has  a                                                               
daughter in  fifth grade.  He opposes  both SB 23  and SB  24 and                                                               
supports funding education and other  essential services to avoid                                                               
crippling  local  economies.  He   encouraged  the  committee  to                                                               
explore  all options  available  to safeguard  schools and  local                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
6:33:44 PM                                                                                                                    
AMY  AINSLIE  representing  self,  Sitka,  discussed  uncertainty                                                               
versus certainty  in her  testimony in opposition  to both  SB 23                                                               
and SB 24.  She opined that when resources are  scarce, the state                                                               
ought to have a high level  of certainty about the effects of its                                                               
spending. "Anything  else is an  irresponsible gamble."  She said                                                               
it is certain  that the governor's austere cuts  to services will                                                               
result  in job  losses, reduction  in services,  hinder mobility,                                                               
and  cripple Alaskan  communities. She  said it  is certain  that                                                               
everyone will be  impacted by the proposed cuts;  that sharing in                                                               
public services  and infrastructure  is a  more equitable  way of                                                               
sharing scarce funding than giving  extra dividends to people who                                                               
do not need it; and that the  funds used for the extra PFDs could                                                               
be used to offset losses  and increase certainty and stability in                                                               
communities.  It  is uncertain,  she  said,  that the  extra  PFD                                                               
dollars would stay in Alaska;  would have a significant impact on                                                               
employment; would stabilize the  housing market; or ensure access                                                               
to quality  education. She  urged the  committee to  vote against                                                               
both bills.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:35:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MARIE MCCONNEL representing self, Sterling,  said she has been in                                                               
Alaska  since  1994, has  received  a  dividend since  she  first                                                               
qualified for it, and she opposes both  SB 23 and SB 24. She said                                                               
passing these  bills is  analogous to  doing well  on a  diet and                                                               
then gaining back  all the lost weight plus some.  She said these                                                               
bills will  be devastating  after working so  hard on  the budget                                                               
the last  three years.  She said she  accepts a  reduced dividend                                                               
and having Alaskans share in the  cost of services as long as the                                                               
budget is close to what it has been the last three years.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:36:16 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA STATTS,  representing self, Juneau,  said she is a  37 year                                                               
resident of Alaska  who has worked outside the  home in emergency                                                               
medicine  at  the  local  hospital.   She  was  speaking  on  her                                                               
grandchildren's behalf to  urge the committee to  vote against SB                                                               
23  and SB  24. She  said  the governor  has put  Alaskans in  an                                                               
awkward  position  by  proposing   to  strip  the  services  that                                                               
government should  provide. This will  cause chaos and  an exodus                                                               
from Alaska, she  said. She closed saying she  supports an income                                                               
tax and was willing to give up her PFD.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:37:48 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. VALERY BROOKS, PhD, representing  self, Ketchikan, said she's                                                               
been a  public school teacher  for many  years and is  urging the                                                               
committee to  deny passage of SB  23 and SB 24.  Her students are                                                               
the ones who will be impacted  by the budget that cuts 25 percent                                                               
from the K-12  school district budgets to make good  on a promise                                                               
to  pay dividend  amounts  that are  neither  rational nor  well-                                                               
advised. She  said paying inflated dividends  or those supposedly                                                               
owed  from  past  years  means   eliminating  the  ferry  system,                                                               
increasing  class   sizes,  and  reducing  school   programs  and                                                               
positions. "I am not in  favor of those permanent fund payments,"                                                               
she  said.  Eliminating  the  dividend   altogether  would  be  a                                                               
hardship for  many in  the state,  she said,  but failing  to use                                                               
some permanent  fund earnings to  offset the budget  crisis would                                                               
be irresponsible. "It is your  duty to provide education funding,                                                               
reduce oil tax credits, and fund the state," she said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:39:00 PM                                                                                                                    
LOY THURMAN, representing self,  MatSu, stated that he definitely                                                               
supports SB  23 and  SB 24.  He remarked  that the  testimony has                                                               
been overloaded by  teachers worried about cuts.  He recalled Jay                                                               
Hammond saying  that the politicians would  eventually come after                                                               
the money  that was specifically  designed for the people  of the                                                               
state to have.  That would hurt the poor, the  working class, and                                                               
the people with kids the most, he said.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:40:17 PM                                                                                                                    
BETH   FREAD   representing   self,  Homer,   described   it   as                                                               
disinformation  to say  that permanent  fund dividends  come from                                                               
the budget.  "They don't."  She said you  know that  the earnings                                                               
reserve is  dedicated to the  legislature and the  permanent fund                                                               
dividend is dedicated  to the people. She said she  was "all for"                                                               
SB 23 and SB 24 and  she entirely supports the governor's budget.                                                               
"I have heard he  has a red pen and he will use  it. And he won't                                                               
use it  on the  permanent fund dividends,"  she said.  She opined                                                               
that the legislature does not need  any more than the $16 billion                                                               
in the  earnings reserve. She  said it  was the billion  dollar a                                                               
year past leadership that put the state in the current position.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:41:48 PM                                                                                                                    
DOUG  HERGERT representing  self,  Wrangell, stated  that he  was                                                               
against many of  the cuts in the governor's budget  and he blames                                                               
it on  disappearing federal dollars  because of the tax  cut that                                                               
President Trump  signed. He pointed  out that the money  spent on                                                               
senior benefits goes right back  into the economies of individual                                                               
communities. He expressed  frustration about that cut  as well as                                                               
the cuts to ferries and education.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
6:42:53 PM                                                                                                                    
JIM  CHEYDIEUR, representing  self, Fairbanks,  stated opposition                                                               
to SB 23  and SB 24. He said  it is the wrong time  to take money                                                               
that  is needed  for the  government. He  said it's  necessary to                                                               
stabilize the state's income, have broad-based (preferably non-                                                                 
regressive) taxes, adjust  oil taxes, and reduce  oil tax credits                                                               
from  which the  state receives  no benefit.  He opined  that the                                                               
budget should  support children,  elders, those  who are  ill and                                                               
disabled,  and ordinary  services to  ordinary citizens.  He said                                                               
taking money away from those  services to restore dividends won't                                                               
benefit  people. "I  can't take  my PFD  and buy  a teacher  do I                                                               
oppose SB 23 and SB 24," he said.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:44:00 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE COONS,  representing self  and as  president of  the Greater                                                               
Alaska Chapter  of the Association  of Mature  American Citizens,                                                               
Palmer, advised  that he would discuss  his support of SB  23 and                                                               
SB 24  based on the  socialist testimony he's heard  opposing the                                                               
bills  and calling  for a  progressive  income tax.  He said  the                                                               
solution  is   simple.  When  people  fill   out  their  dividend                                                               
application  they  can  Pick.Click.Give.  all or  part  of  their                                                               
dividend back  to the  state, to  education exclusively,  or they                                                               
could write  a personal  check to  the state  for what  they deem                                                               
fair as  a self-imposed  tax. If they  are concerned  about their                                                               
fellow Alaskans  being in  a financial bind,  they don't  need to                                                               
apply for  a PFD at  all, he said.  He said he  believes Governor                                                               
Hammond did  a great thing  for Alaskans  so they could  get full                                                               
return on the state resources. He  said he'll enjoy that fruit by                                                               
spending most of it back into the economy.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
HEATHER   ASSELIN,   representing   self,   Wasilla,   said   she                                                               
appreciates the effort  to reimburse the lost  dividends, but she                                                               
opposes  using  the fund's  earnings.  Also,  money for  the  PFD                                                               
should  not be  paid at  the expense  or sacrifice  of education,                                                               
health or wellbeing  of Alaska children and  families. "To accept                                                               
it would  feel dirty." She said  she is willing to  move past the                                                               
vetoed funds for the best interest of the state and people.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:46:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CRIS  EICHENLAUB,  representing  self,  Eagle  River,  asked  for                                                               
clarification that  money that is  appropriated for  the dividend                                                               
would not  go to education or  other state services if  SB 23 and                                                               
SB 24 did not pass.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  suggested he  send his  questions to  the committee                                                               
email.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. EICHENLAUB  recommended people use Click.Pick.Give.  and give                                                               
their dividend  to education. He  said he  supports SB 23  and SB                                                               
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:48:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SIMON GORBATY, representing self, Sitka,  said he was speaking in                                                               
opposition to SB 23  and SB 24. He came to Alaska  in 2008 and is                                                               
excited about starting a life and  raising his kids here. He said                                                               
that when he looks at these  bills and other parts of the budget,                                                               
he sees  a disaster for communities  and the state. He  asked the                                                               
committee to think  about people like himself and try  to make it                                                               
easier for young people to make a life in Alaska.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER  said anyone like  Mr. Eichenlaub who  has questions                                                               
or input should send it to senate.state.affairs@akleg.gov.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:49:42 PM                                                                                                                    
COLLAUNA MARLEY,  representing self, Sitka, said  she appreciates                                                               
that  it is  difficult to  listen  to and  represent the  diverse                                                               
people of Alaska. She called to be  heard and to say she is upset                                                               
that  the exceptional  education  of her  two  children might  be                                                               
replaced with a  fat PFD check. "Quality education  in our family                                                               
is not optional,  it is a fundamental need," she  said. She noted                                                               
that  cuts   to  education   aren't  new.   Reading  specialists,                                                               
librarians, counselors, teachers, and  programs have already been                                                               
cut  to meet  budget  demands.  She described  this  budget as  a                                                               
devastating  blow  that will  cripple  small  town economies  and                                                               
education.  "Please don't  be shortsighted;  fight for  our kids'                                                               
education and our future, not a hefty PFD check," she said.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:50:53 PM                                                                                                                    
FRED  STURMAN,  representing  self,  Soldotna,  stated  that  the                                                               
Governor is doing exactly what he said  he was going to do, and a                                                               
lot of legislators who were  running promised people the PFD. The                                                               
Governor said he was going to  balance the budget and he's on the                                                               
way to  do that;  he said he  was going to  close the  fishery in                                                               
Cook Inlet and that's expected.  "People, don't cry about it," he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:52:12 PM                                                                                                                    
KARLA HART,  representing self,  Juneau, said  she is  a lifelong                                                               
Alaskan. She clarified that to the  best of her knowledge she and                                                               
other testifiers  were not working  from talking points.  "We are                                                               
working off of our reality," she  said. She said she opposes both                                                               
SB 23 and SB 24. Alaska still  needs a solid fiscal plan and that                                                               
should  be a  legislative  priority. She  stated  support for  an                                                               
income tax  and a modest  dividend. She  said in addition  to the                                                               
concerns that  have been expressed,  she is very  concerned about                                                               
cost transfers  to local governments.  If local  governments have                                                               
to increase  property taxes, that  will be reflected in  the cost                                                               
of living for housing and people  won't be made harmless with the                                                               
larger  dividend.  "I  think  we  need to  put  this  money  into                                                               
government," she said.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:53:25 PM                                                                                                                    
DONNA  SCHULTZ, representing  self, Juneau,  said she's  received                                                               
the dividend  for each of the  38 years she's been  in Juneau and                                                               
would gladly give them  up. She opposes both SB 23  and SB 24 and                                                               
believes an income tax is needed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:54:03 PM                                                                                                                    
JANALEE  GAGE  representing self,  Ketchikan,  said  she was  not                                                               
working from  talking points and  she opposes  both SB 23  and SB                                                               
24.  She is  a sixth  generation  Alaskan and  she remembers  the                                                               
first PFD.  She suggested everyone  should read  the constitution                                                               
and think  about who  will suffer from  the Governor's  cuts. She                                                               
said it's time as  a state to put the income  tax question on the                                                               
ballot and let the people decide.  She said she would gladly give                                                               
up her  PFD to  make sure that  essential services  are available                                                               
now and for future generations.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:55:30 PM                                                                                                                    
RAYCE  WITTNER,  representing  self,  MatSu, said  she  does  not                                                               
support  either SB  23 or  SB  24. These  payments mean  possibly                                                               
moving out  of Alaska and taking  her college fund with  her. She                                                               
questioned how job  losses would help the state.  She shared that                                                               
her mother  is in college and  works for a nonprofit.  They don't                                                               
have health care  now and she questioned whether  they would ever                                                               
have it if her mom is unable to  find a job. She said, "I may not                                                               
be able to  vote, but I will  be the one providing  for your care                                                               
in the  future." Solutions are  tough, she  said, but we  need to                                                               
balance cuts with revenues.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:56:33 PM                                                                                                                    
GEORGE PIERCE representing self,  Kasilof, urged the committee to                                                               
pass SB 23  and SB 24. "We  want the PFD payback, all  of it," he                                                               
said. He said the people  own the resources and Governor Dunleavy                                                               
was voted  into office  by the  people to give  the PFD  back. He                                                               
suggested cutting  wasteful spending in Juneau;  he believes cuts                                                               
are needed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:57:41 PM                                                                                                                    
VIKKI JO KENNEDY, representing self,  Kodiak, said she opposes SB                                                               
23 and SB  24 as currently written. She is  proud to call herself                                                               
an  Alaskan,  she agrees  with  the  testimony from  Bonnie  from                                                               
Fairbanks, and she loves the  Governor. However, she now realizes                                                               
that  he  bought the  state  by  promising everyone  $3,600.  She                                                               
opined that what he did was illegal.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:59:07 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVE  AND  NOEL  MAXWELL,  representing self,  Palmer,  said  the                                                               
Governor ran  on the platform of  cleaning the state up  and as a                                                               
former  state employee  he  can attest  that there  is  a lot  of                                                               
corruption,  even today.  Some  of this  has  been corrected  but                                                               
there is  more to  be done.  Before we take  money that  has been                                                               
obligated to  the people in  the permanent fund, we  should clean                                                               
up the  state and find  efficiencies, he said. Responding  to the                                                               
chair's question,  he said  he absolutely supports  SB 23  and SB                                                               
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:00:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT HAYDEN, representing self,  Anchorage, said he opposes both                                                               
SB  23 and  SB 24.  It's  not a  good  idea to  cut schools,  the                                                               
university, health  care, ferries,  elder care, and  public media                                                               
just to  increase the size of  the dividend, he said.  "You can't                                                               
buy a teacher or functioning  university with a bigger dividend,"                                                               
he said. Please  find a way to fund government,  even if it means                                                               
a small dividend and an income tax.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:01:16 PM                                                                                                                    
WILLIAM QUAYLE, representing self,  Juneau, said he supports both                                                               
SB 23 and  SB 24. He uses  the dividend for his  business, and he                                                               
supports  a state  lottery instead  of an  income tax.  He opined                                                               
that the state needs six refineries and $2 gasoline.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:02:36 PM                                                                                                                    
RALPH WATKINS, Superintendent, Hoonah  City Schools, Hoonah, said                                                               
he  opposes both  SB 23  and  SB 24  for the  reasons that  other                                                               
teachers  and  superintendents  have   stated.  The  dividend  is                                                               
important  but not  at the  sacrifice of  education, he  said. He                                                               
advised  that  the proposed  budget  for  the Hoonah  schools  is                                                               
$560,000 which is  equivalent to the entire  teaching budget. The                                                               
25   percent  cut   means  no   schools  in   Hoonah,  which   is                                                               
unacceptable, he said.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:03:28 PM                                                                                                                    
JOY LYON, representing  self, Juneau, said she  likes free money,                                                               
but  she loves  Alaska  more. It's  not worth  it  if the  larger                                                               
dividend  takes  books  out  of  the  hands  of  young  children,                                                               
shortchanges  K-12  students,   shutters  the  local  university,                                                               
hobbles communities  without ferries, and makes  the Pioneer Home                                                               
unaffordable for  elders. She  said Alaska is  a young  state and                                                               
she believes  it's time  to grow  up and get  an income  tax like                                                               
most other states.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
KYNEDI  CLARK, representing  self, MatSu,  stated that  she is  a                                                               
sixth grade honor  roll student who opposes SB 23  and SB 24. She                                                               
said her  younger sister  won't be  able to  go to  preschool and                                                               
have the same early start she  got. She said this matters because                                                               
she tests  above the  national average.  She emphasized  that the                                                               
claim that  Alaska's children are  not educated is not  true. She                                                               
questioned  how  cutting education  will  help  improve the  test                                                               
scores of children who aren't  as fortunate as herself. Regarding                                                               
eligibility, she said sending the  backpay out of the state won't                                                               
improve  the   local  economy.   She's  thought   about  possible                                                               
solutions  and realizes  that legislators  have a  difficult job.                                                               
She asked  the committee  to, "Please  remember that  even though                                                               
kids are  20 percent of our  population, they are 100  percent of                                                               
your future."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:05:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY TONY,  representing self, Soldotna,  said she voted  for the                                                               
Governor based on his promise to  pay back the PFD. She said it's                                                               
the  right and  responsibility of  the government  to tax  and to                                                               
invest in  the children  of Alaska. She  does not  support making                                                               
payments to  oil companies. She  said after the  dividend backpay                                                               
she would be  open to stopping the PFD if  it's necessary. Listen                                                               
to the people, she said.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
7:06:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MATH  TRAFTON,  representing self,  Sitka,  said  he is  strongly                                                               
opposed to  both SB 23 and  SB 24. He is  gravely concerned about                                                               
the Governor's  proposed budget cuts  and scared for  the fishing                                                               
industry,   seniors,  ferries,   hospitals,   schools,  and   the                                                               
university  system. People  with  the  least financial  resources                                                               
will be  hurt the  most, he  said. More  money in  each citizen's                                                               
pocket seems  like a good idea,  he said, but not  at the expense                                                               
proposed. He said  regardless of the original plans  for the PFD,                                                               
it's time to adapt.  He urged the committee to find  a way to put                                                               
money  into critical  state funds  to avoid  the worst  financial                                                               
crisis the  state has ever seen.  He said he would  be willing to                                                               
sacrifice the  PFD and  pay income  tax if  it means  getting the                                                               
state  back   on  track   without  devastating   essential  state                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:07:53 PM                                                                                                                    
ZOE TRAFTON,  representing self, Seward, Alaska,  stated that she                                                               
is  in  7th  grade,  enjoys  school a  lot,  and  is  opposed  to                                                               
additional  PFD   payouts.  She  and  her   friends  enjoy  their                                                               
electives, band  in particular. She  shared that a  favorite part                                                               
of her day  is the elective robotics class.  She highlighted that                                                               
with the  budget cuts to  education, important electives  such as                                                               
art, woodshop, and  band may disappear. Because  music plays such                                                               
a vital role  in Sitka, cutting band would impact  many. She said                                                               
electives are  important and teach students  valuable skills. She                                                               
said she  opposes both SB  23 and SB 24  and would be  willing to                                                               
give  her PFD  equivalent to  schools to  help keep  them running                                                               
smoothly.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER advised  that individuals have the  option to return                                                               
their dividends to the general fund.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:09:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY JANE  "MJ" LEGRANDE, representing self,  Juneau, stated that                                                               
three of her  four children and one grandchild  reside in Juneau.                                                               
She opposes  SB 23 and SB  24 because they serve  individuals and                                                               
not community  needs or the  future of  the state. She  asked the                                                               
committee to take care of the state, not individuals.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:10:01 PM                                                                                                                    
KATIE PITTMAN,  representing self,  Juneau, said  she has  been a                                                               
teacher in Barrow and the Aleutians  and has seen the impact that                                                               
budget  decisions  have  on communities  around  the  state.  She                                                               
voiced support for looking at other  sources of income to make it                                                               
possible to continue to offer these services.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if she  supports or  opposes SB 23  or SB                                                               
24.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. PITTMAN replied she opposes both bills.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:11:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MELODY  JORDAN, representing  self,  Seward, stated  that she  is                                                               
adamantly opposed  to SB 23  and SB 24  and the entire  budget as                                                               
currently proposed. She said her  daughter and nieces and nephews                                                               
have  attended the  public school  system and  she believes  that                                                               
public  education should  always  be a  priority. She  emphasized                                                               
that  there  should not  be  a  PFD  payback  at the  expense  of                                                               
education and  other necessary services.  The cost is  too great,                                                               
she said.  Another cost that  is not being considered,  she said,                                                               
is the  cost of so  many Alaskans who  are choosing to  leave the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:12:39 PM                                                                                                                    
ED  MARTIN  JR.  representing  self, Coopers  Landing,  said  his                                                               
family  has been  in Alaska  since before  statehood. He  and his                                                               
children have  received the dividend  and he supports both  SB 23                                                               
and SB 24.  He pointed out that  the state is living  on a three-                                                               
legged stool and it  is time to build a fourth  leg. The only way                                                               
to  do this,  he  said, is  if  the people  have  money in  their                                                               
pockets and  land to build  on. He  reminded the members  who had                                                               
voiced support for  the payback to carry through  and support the                                                               
bills.  He  highlighted  the  83  percent  support  in  1999  for                                                               
maintaining the dividend and urged  the committee to do the right                                                               
thing.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:14:02 PM                                                                                                                    
GLENN CRAVEZ, representing self,  Anchorage, voiced opposition to                                                               
SB 23 and SB  24. He said free money is wonderful  but not at the                                                               
expense  of public  education, public  safety,  health care,  and                                                               
transportation.  These essential  public services  should not  be                                                               
sacrificed. He reiterated his opposition to both bills.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN CORBEL,  representing self,  Homer, stated that  PFDs often                                                               
helped provide  the basic needs of  her family of seven.  She was                                                               
proud to receive her teaching  degree in 2012 from the University                                                               
of Alaska and she currently  teaches fifth grade at Anchor Point.                                                               
She hopes  to continue. She  opined that PFDs are  important, but                                                               
it should not be a choice  of either public education or PFDs and                                                               
a  25 percent  cut to  education. She  emphasized that  lives are                                                               
being  profoundly   affected  and  real  people   want  realistic                                                               
solutions, not  reactions. She agreed  with the sixth  grader who                                                               
pointed out  that children today  are 100 percent of  the future.                                                               
She  asked the  committee to  place her  on record  as a  38-year                                                               
Alaska resident who opposes both SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:16:13 PM                                                                                                                    
KARI  SAGEL, representing  self,  Sitka, said  she  is a  teacher                                                               
speaking in  opposition to SB  23 and SB  24. She said  she would                                                               
like to apply  the money toward her bills but  not at the expense                                                               
of early  childhood education. She  favors using the PFD  to help                                                               
balance the  budget and  she supports  a progressive  income tax.                                                               
She said  she wanted to use  the balance of her  allotted time to                                                               
complete  Mr.  Calvin's testimony.  He  said  there is  no  place                                                               
better  to live  than Sitka.  Everyone in  Alaska feels  that way                                                               
about  their community  and state  and  the proposed  legislation                                                               
will not achieve a better future for our children.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:17:31 PM                                                                                                                    
KATE JOHNSON,  representing self, Sitka, stated  opposition to SB                                                               
23 and  SB 24. She  reported that she  graduated from UAA  with a                                                               
degree in  early childhood education  and is  teaching preschool.                                                               
Her children  benefit greatly from the  outstanding Sitka schools                                                               
where the  phenomenal teachers  support their  academic learning,                                                               
music, and  art. Some of  these teachers, health  care providers,                                                               
fishermen, and others are putting  their houses on the market and                                                               
considering  leaving the  state.  She said  living  in Alaska  is                                                               
expensive  and it  is  beneficial  to receive  the  PFD, but  the                                                               
payments  will  bring  just  short-term  benefit.  The  long-term                                                               
consequences  will drive  people  out of  the  state. She  voiced                                                               
support  for  education,  health care,  social  services,  public                                                               
radio,  the Pioneer  Home, the  Alaska State  Highway, and  other                                                               
state services.  I want my  money to go  to these places  to help                                                               
make Alaska the place we want to call home, she said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:18:39 PM                                                                                                                    
HARVEY  BRANDT,   representing  self,  Sitka,  stated   that  his                                                               
children and grandchildren were raised  and educated in Sitka and                                                               
are all very  successful. He said he is vehemently  opposed to SB                                                               
23 and SB 24 and would like  the talk about Alaska being broke to                                                               
stop  because it's  a  myth. The  state has  $65  billion in  the                                                               
permanent fund and  that fund was not created to  just pay checks                                                               
to  Alaskans.  He  asked  that   the  resource  be  reserved  for                                                               
education,  the  ferry  system,  hospitals  and  other  essential                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SHOWER noted that Senator Costello joined the committee.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:20:15 PM                                                                                                                    
RANDY VIRGIN, representing self,  Anchorage, said he's upset that                                                               
the Governor has  created the false choice  between receiving the                                                               
PFD payback  and state services. That  should not have to  be the                                                               
choice, he said. He agreed  with previous testimony that there is                                                               
enough money to  payback the PFD and balance the  budget. He said                                                               
he didn't  want to take a  position on the bills  because it's in                                                               
the context of the budget that there is so much opposition to.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:21:35 PM                                                                                                                    
LILI SANTORO,  representing self, her husband,  and her daughter,                                                               
Anchorage, stated  opposition to SB  23 and SB 24.  She described                                                               
the Governor's campaign  promise regarding the PFD as  a bribe to                                                               
buy Alaskans'  votes while  he planned  to gut  education, health                                                               
care, transportation,  and ultimately  jobs. She  said this  is a                                                               
diversion  technique  that  serves  the  purpose  of  distracting                                                               
attention from  the big  money paid  out in  oil tax  credits and                                                               
out-of-state no-bid  contracts. She said her  family would gladly                                                               
give  up their  PFD  to  see the  state  prosper.  She asked  the                                                               
Governor to lead by example.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:22:37 PM                                                                                                                    
KIM NELSON,  representing self, Fairbanks, said  he is definitely                                                               
in support  of SB  23 and  SB 24. He  believes in  the Governor's                                                               
budget and  taxes. He observed  that the testimony appears  to be                                                               
one sided  and he hopes that  people who support the  payback can                                                               
make their views clear.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:23:36 PM                                                                                                                    
BETH HACK,  representing self,  Soldotna, said she  is a  49 year                                                               
resident of  Alaska who supports  SB 23 and  SB 24. She  said the                                                               
dividends go  right back into  the local economy and  help people                                                               
pay their  utilities. She  maintained that  the money  is legally                                                               
the peoples'  and they were meant  to have it. People  who do not                                                               
support the payback can opt for Pick.Click.Give.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
GLEN BUTTS,  representing self, Big  Lake, stated support  for SB                                                               
23 and SB 24.  He said the PFD is in  exchange for mineral rights                                                               
that Alaskans  do not receive. The  money was supposed to  be put                                                               
into a separate fund for the  people and it muddies the waters to                                                               
say it  should be used for  education, he said. "I'd  really like                                                               
my money back so I'm definitely for the bills."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:25:54 PM                                                                                                                    
LYNETTE  CLARK, representing  self, Fox,  said she  has lived  in                                                               
Alaska since  1951 and has  followed the permanent fund  from the                                                               
beginning. She  said the  earnings reserve  account has  over $16                                                               
[billion] and the government has a  $5.25 [billion] draw on it to                                                               
pay for government programs. It's restitution time, she said                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:27:14 PM                                                                                                                    
MARGO O'CONNEL,  representing self,  Sitka, said she  is speaking                                                               
today because she opposes the Governor's  budget and SB 23 and SB                                                               
24. She  was born and raise  in Sitka and has  benefited from the                                                               
resources  available   in  the  community,  many   of  which  are                                                               
supported  by  the  state.  She  opined that  the  goal  of  each                                                               
generation should  be to  make sure that  the next  generation is                                                               
better  off  than the  last.  She  posited  that if  this  budget                                                               
passes,  young people  won't have  money  to move  to Alaska  and                                                               
locals  won't  be able  to  stay.  The educational  opportunities                                                               
won't be the  same, there will be fewer jobs,  the cost of living                                                               
will  be  higher, and  fishing  communities  will be  devastated.                                                               
Without  the Alaska  Marine Highway  System, communities  will be                                                               
isolated from the  rest of the state. She  concluded her comments                                                               
saying  she  supports  having  a   balanced  budget  but  cutting                                                               
services that  benefit everyone  is not the  way to  achieve that                                                               
goal.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:28:19 PM                                                                                                                    
ANGELA BOWERS,  representing self,  Sitka, said she  was speaking                                                               
as a  concerned citizen in  opposition to both  SB 23 and  SB 24.                                                               
She shared  that she is  a mother and  faculty member at  UAS and                                                               
that  her  family  would  benefit   from  the  supplemental  PFD.                                                               
However,  the extra  money is  not worth  the tradeoff  of having                                                               
large  class sizes,  no more  raw fish  taxes for  the community,                                                               
less  money for  Medicaid, and  a gutted  university system.  She                                                               
opined  that the  proposed cuts  will  ultimately cost  residents                                                               
more  than the  supplemental payments.  She said  strong schools,                                                               
great  communities,  health  care, and  post-secondary  education                                                               
opportunities will sway  people to stay in Alaska,  not the extra                                                               
$3,000.  She   asked  the  committee  to   instead  allocate  the                                                               
supplemental  PFD money  to essential  services that  communities                                                               
need for a strong future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:29:33 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE WASHBURN, representing self, Kenai,  stated that he is a 63                                                               
year  resident of  Alaska who  supports SB  23 and  SB 24.  "It's                                                               
something that we all need back," he said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:30:27 PM                                                                                                                    
KIM   HAYES,   representing   self,  Anchorage,   stated   strong                                                               
opposition to  SB 23 and  SB 24. She  is a lifelong  Alaskan with                                                               
kids  in  the public  school  system.  She  shared that  she  was                                                               
calling  while  attending  her daughters  public  school  science                                                               
fair, which  demonstrates how  important she  and her  family see                                                               
this issue. She said that the  bills create the false notion that                                                               
the only  options are supersized  PFDs or gutted  essential state                                                               
services. Instead, she supports a  reasonable dividend and a real                                                               
plan that keeps Alaska open for business.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:31:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  BOWLES,  representing  self,   Palmer,  stated  that  he                                                               
supports both SB 23 and SB  24. He offered his understanding that                                                               
the  PFD  replaces  the peoples'  landowner  mineral  rights.  He                                                               
suggested that if these bills  fail, legislation should be passed                                                               
giving  the PFD  to only  those  that own  land in  Alaska and  a                                                               
payout system  based on  the number  of years  the land  has been                                                               
owned. The PFD  is money owed to Alaska landowners  for giving up                                                               
their  mineral  rights,  not  to fund  government,  he  said.  He                                                               
suggested that  people who  want the PFD  to go  toward education                                                               
should  earmark  their  dividend   checks  for  their  children's                                                               
education.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:32:37 PM                                                                                                                    
JULIE SMYTH, representing self, Fairbanks,  said she is an Alaska                                                               
Native and  single mother who opposes  both SB 23 and  SB 24. She                                                               
depends  on  many of  the  state  social programs,  education  in                                                               
particular, for her  children and herself. As a  UAF student, she                                                               
is trying  to better her  life and  ultimately pay back  into the                                                               
system and help future single mothers.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:33:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL MAUSBACK,  representing self,  Sitka, said he  opposes SB                                                               
23 and  SB 24. He shared  that he is an  educational professional                                                               
who  is neither  a socialist  nor talking  point scripted.  He is                                                               
concerned that the plan the  Governor has proposed will eliminate                                                               
jobs, increase the  cost of living, and put the  state at risk of                                                               
a brain drain. He opined that  many Alaskans will vote with their                                                               
feet  if vital  services  are  cut. He  expressed  hope that  the                                                               
legislature would  reject the PFD  payout and  instead reallocate                                                               
the  money  towards  pre-K and  K-12  education,  the  university                                                               
system, public  broadcasting, the Alaska Marine  Highway, pioneer                                                               
homes,  and   other  state-supported  community   services.  "The                                                               
Governor's plan  will devastate the economy  and this apocalyptic                                                               
budget is a threat to  our children, businesses, schools, elders,                                                               
and  environment,"  he  said.  He said  he  supports  a  balanced                                                               
budget, but the proposed plan  is unsustainable. He added that he                                                               
supports either a reduced or an eliminated PFD.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:34:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK SPRINGER,  representing self,  Bethel, said  he has  been an                                                               
Alaska resident  since 1976 and  received the first  dividend. He                                                               
described  SB 23  and SB  24  as an  attempt by  the Governor  to                                                               
coerce  Alaskans  into forgoing  vital  state  services. He  said                                                               
we're  smarter than  that  and listed  the  services he  supports                                                               
including,  WWAMI where  Alaska  gets its  doctors, public  media                                                               
because  the Internet  doesn't carry  basketball games  called in                                                               
Yupik, Mount Edgecombe  High School and its pool,  and power cost                                                               
equalization. He said he also supports a state income tax.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:35:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MERRIE  CULP-WASHBURN, representing  self, Kenai,  stated support                                                               
for SB 23 and SB 24. She said  this is fair; "We're happy to give                                                               
our dividends away, but we want to do it ourselves."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:36:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLIE  PIERCE,  representing   self,  Kenai,  reminded  elected                                                               
officials  that  the Governor  was  elected  on the  platform  of                                                               
getting  expenditures in  line with  revenues and  supporting the                                                               
statutory  requirements  for  the  permanent  fund.  He  said  he                                                               
supports SB  23 and SB  24 and  hopes that legislators  will keep                                                               
the voice  of the  people in  the last election  in mind  as they                                                               
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:37:29 PM                                                                                                                    
JEANINE BROOKS,  representing self, Sitka,  said she is  a school                                                               
social worker  speaking in firm  opposition to  SB 23 and  SB 24.                                                               
She encouraged the committee to  think about the long-term effect                                                               
that cutting  essential services will  have on the health  of the                                                               
state.  She said  the dividend  isn't always  good for  the young                                                               
people in  the state  who are  too young to  vote. Her  office is                                                               
often filled  with traumatized kids  when the dividend  comes out                                                               
in October  because people are  using their dividends  on alcohol                                                               
and drugs,  not groceries or  fuel. This is hurting  families and                                                               
kids. She reiterated her opposition to the bills.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:38:31 PM                                                                                                                    
RICK MOORE,  representing self, Soldotna,  stated support  for SB                                                               
23 and SB 24. He said  the government needs to stop spending more                                                               
money  than it  has. He  supports the  Governor and  the proposed                                                               
budget and  believes that the  spending on education  is yielding                                                               
little to nothing.  He pointed out that the  university is losing                                                               
accreditation yet  is asking  for more money.  He said  it's okay                                                               
with him  to cut the PFD,  but mineral rights should  be returned                                                               
to  the  people.  He  acknowledged   that  the  PFD  helps  local                                                               
economies. He maintained  that teachers who oppose  the bills are                                                               
simply trying to protect their jobs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CARL  CLARK,  representing  self  and  his  wife,  Homer,  stated                                                               
support for  SB 23 and  SB 24. He  said Alaskans receive  the PFD                                                               
because Alaska  property owners  do not  have mineral  rights. He                                                               
advised that  education is  funded through  a separate  fund, and                                                               
having home  schooled their  children he knows  that it  does not                                                               
take $18,000  per child per  year. "It's  what you do  in school,                                                               
not where  you do  it," he  said. He  reiterated support  for the                                                               
bills.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:41:50 PM                                                                                                                    
JOE  MONTAGNA, representing  self,  Sitka, stated  that  he is  a                                                               
proud parent, teacher,  and resident of Sitka who  is speaking in                                                               
opposition  to  SB 23  and  SB  24 and  thus  in  support of  his                                                               
students who  are the future  of the  state. He doesn't  count on                                                               
the dividend and  will get a second job before  he counts on that                                                               
extra money.  However, he  will work extra  hours to  provide for                                                               
his students  and ensure  that classes  are not  overcrowded, and                                                               
kids  don't  fall through  the  cracks.  These students  are  the                                                               
future and need to be served well by keeping money in education.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
7:43:00 PM                                                                                                                    
DEB  SCHULTZ,  representing self,  Chugiak,  stated  that she  is                                                               
opposed  to SB  23 and  SB 24.  She has  received every  dividend                                                               
since the beginning, but she  does not support un-sustained draws                                                               
from the permanent fund. Quality  schools are much more important                                                               
than a  dividend. "Please protect  the fund and the  dividend for                                                               
our grandchildren and their grandchildren," she said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:43:54 PM                                                                                                                    
OLE  CHRISTENSON, representing  self,  Fairbanks, stated  support                                                               
for SB  23 and  SB 24.  He suggested everyone  keep in  mind that                                                               
legalizing marijuana  amounted to a  modern day gold rush.  It is                                                               
generating enough money to support  anything the government wants                                                               
to do. Thus the state should  return his and his neighbors' money                                                               
and "get away from the three [men] on a shovel syndrome."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:44:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL  TAVOLIERO,   representing  self,  Eagle   River,  stated                                                               
support for  SB 23 and SB  24. He opined that  the people's money                                                               
should be returned.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
JOSEPH CAYABYAB,  representing self,  Seward, stated  support for                                                               
SB  23 and  SB  24. He  said  it  is the  people's  money and  he                                                               
supports the Governor's initiative.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:45:53 PM                                                                                                                    
DIANE  HOLMES,  representing  self, Anchorage,  shared  that  Jay                                                               
Hammond told  her that he  never expected  to give with  one hand                                                               
and take  with the other. She  said legislators don't need  to be                                                               
reminded  that it  is the  government's job  to provide  adequate                                                               
services. She  pointed out that the  people who need the  PFD may                                                               
also need  Medicaid, education, ferry  service, and  public radio                                                               
and TV. She said the  PFD should not be constitutionalized unless                                                               
the  legislature's crystal  ball  tells how  many prisoners  will                                                               
need to be  fed and students will need to  be educated. "You know                                                               
that we cannot cut  our way out of this crisis  so don't kick the                                                               
can down  the road anymore."  She suggested  legislators initiate                                                               
an income tax and perhaps  a one-half percent statewide sales tax                                                               
on purchases up to $1,000.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:47:16 PM                                                                                                                    
JENNIFER REED,  representing self, Sitka, asked  the committee to                                                               
reject  SB  23  and SB  24.  She  shared  that  she is  a  third-                                                               
generation Alaskan, a public school  teacher, and a member of the                                                               
working  middle  class  who  does   not  support  the  Governor's                                                               
proposed budget. She said she  and her family have benefited from                                                               
the PFD, but  she does not support taking money  from reserves to                                                               
put money  in people's  pockets. She requested  the PFD  money be                                                               
used to fund education and essential services.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:48:15 PM                                                                                                                    
JANICE  CHANDLER,  representing  self,  Kasilof, said  she  is  a                                                               
senior citizen  who depends  on the  PFD to  pay her  land taxes,                                                               
maintenance  on  her  car,  and  heat in  the  winter.  Thus  she                                                               
supports SB 23 and SB 24.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:48:54 PM                                                                                                                    
FORREST   KUIPER,  representing   self,  Seward,   stated  strong                                                               
opposition to SB 23  and SB 24. He said he  is a lifelong Alaskan                                                               
who wants  to spend  the rest  of his life  here, but  the budget                                                               
cuts are  causing he and his  wife to rethink those  plans. Their                                                               
daughter  is  in  kindergarten  and the  cuts  to  education  are                                                               
unacceptable. Paying  a supersized PFD  and then cutting  K-12 25                                                               
percent,  the University  of Alaska  41 percent,  and the  Alaska                                                               
Marine Highway 75 percent does  not provide a sustainable future.                                                               
He urged the committee to make  the right decision and oppose the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:50:12 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENDON HOPKINS, representing self,  Sterling, stated support for                                                               
SB 23  and SB  24. Acknowledging  that the  budget is  a separate                                                               
issue,  he pointed  out that  state  spending over  the last  two                                                               
decades  has  outpaced  inflation   and  population  growth.  The                                                               
proposed cuts should be viewed in that light, he said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:51:49 PM                                                                                                                    
HAROLD  BORBRIDGE,  representing  self, Anchorage,  testified  in                                                               
support  of  SB  23 and  SB  24.  He  cited  an ISER  report  and                                                               
extrapolated that  taking the  PFD is equivalent  to the  loss of                                                               
18,000 to  20,000 private sector  jobs. He also pointed  out that                                                               
the most vulnerable  Alaskans would be most affected  by the loss                                                               
of the PFD.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:53:49 PM                                                                                                                    
GRACE BROOKS, representing self,  Sitka, stated strong opposition                                                               
to SB  23 and SB 24.  She said everyone benefits  more from state                                                               
services  that a  big PFD.  The Governor's  proposed budget  will                                                               
destroy  education, public  media, the  ferry system,  and health                                                               
care, among others.  This is short sighted and  will not maintain                                                               
viable  communities. She  stated  support for  an  income tax  to                                                               
maintain essential  services. She  clarified that  she is  not an                                                               
educator and has no children in  the school system, but she knows                                                               
that children  are the  future. She urged  the committee  to vote                                                               
against the bills.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:54:42 PM                                                                                                                    
LINDA SCHANDELMEIER, representing self,  Fairbanks, said she is a                                                               
lifelong Alaskan who paid a state  income tax in the past and she                                                               
opposes both SB 23 and SB  24 and the Governor's proposed budget.                                                               
The PFD should  not be paid at the expense  of essential services                                                               
such as  education. She  said she  is particularly  worried about                                                               
the 41  percent cut  to the  university system.  This is  not the                                                               
right approach, she said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:55:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SUZANNE  DUTSON,  representing  self,  Juneau,  stated  that  she                                                               
opposes SB 23  and SB 24 and the Governor's  defense of the "high                                                               
speed dive to the bottom of  the oil barrel budget proposal." She                                                               
is the mother of two adult  children who were educated in Alaska.                                                               
One  daughter is  a preschool  teacher and  the existing  funding                                                               
deficiencies  have  resulted  in  a  two-year  waitlist  at  that                                                               
preschool.  She said  kids need  school  more than  PFDs and  her                                                               
grandson's mother  is considering  leaving the state  because the                                                               
educational  opportunities are  becoming  more  limited. She  too                                                               
will leave  and take  her considerable  retirement with  her. "We                                                               
cannot keep  using the PFD  as a political bargaining  chip," she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:57:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MORRIS NASSUK, representing  self and his kids,  Koyuk, said he's                                                               
a Native who  has lived in Koyuk his entire  life and he supports                                                               
both SB  23 and SB  24. The economy in  his area isn't  very good                                                               
and his  family has depended on  the dividend from the  start. He                                                               
talked about the relatively small  tax that oil companies pay. He                                                               
offered  his perspective  that education  and teachers  have done                                                               
little to help people in rural Alaska.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:58:45 PM                                                                                                                    
GREG  WEIBER, representing  self, MatSu,  reminded everyone  that                                                               
the Governor  was overwhelmingly elected just  like Donald Trump.                                                               
He looks  forward to seeing Mr.  Dunleavy turn Alaska on  its ear                                                               
just as Mr.  Trump has done in Washington, DC.  His preference is                                                               
to have a constant amount in  the dividend and is very happy with                                                               
the proposed budget.  He supports getting rid of  dead weight and                                                               
unnecessary jobs and holding oil companies responsible.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:00:01 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHERINE  PRUSSIAN, representing  self, Sitka,  said she  is the                                                               
parent of two future voters,  and she works in natural resources,                                                               
not education. She  opposes SB 23 and SB 24  and has received the                                                               
dividend from  the start.  She has  loved receiving  the dividend                                                               
and would  love receiving many  more, but  not at the  expense of                                                               
state  services.   She  emphasized  that  no   one  deserves  the                                                               
dividend,  but  everyone deserves  safe  places  to live,  access                                                               
between communities,  and quality public education.  She supports                                                               
using permanent fund earnings to  support state services, but not                                                               
the PFD  payback. She encouraged  the committee to  think outside                                                               
of  the box  and consider  income taxes  and increased  education                                                               
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:01:20 PM                                                                                                                    
DALTON STOKES, representing self,  Anchorage, spoke in support of                                                               
SB 23  and SB  24. He maintained  that teachers  don't understand                                                               
that wealth has  to be produced, he called people  who read their                                                               
testimony  fake,  and he  emphasized  that  the dividend  is  not                                                               
welfare. He said there are a lot  of things he can't say over the                                                               
teleconference,  but he  will say  them on  the Eddie  Burke Show                                                               
tomorrow.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:02:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHARLES  LESTER,  representing  self,  Delta  Junction,  said  he                                                               
definitely supports  SB 23 and SB  24 and is behind  the Governor                                                               
and his  budget proposal. He has  lived in Alaska since  1973 and                                                               
plans to  spend the  rest of his  life in the  state. He  and his                                                               
very  large family  are doing  well in  the Delta  area and  they                                                               
support the budget  cuts. It's time to stop kicking  the can down                                                               
the road, he said.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:04:00 PM                                                                                                                    
BERT HOUGHGALING,  representing self, Big Lake,  pointed out that                                                               
the university  was designed to  fund itself and the  K-12 system                                                               
has a  budget that  is three  times higher  than states  with the                                                               
equivalent  population. Rethink  how schools  are done  and start                                                               
doing more online. "Lets eliminate  these overhead and high costs                                                               
in  areas   that  are   doing  nothing   but  surviving   off  of                                                               
government's money."  He said  he supports  SB 23  and SB  24 100                                                               
percent and returning the POMV to the constitutional formula.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:05:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  SHOWER apologized  to the  people  that were  not able  to                                                               
testify tonight  and advised that  there would be  an opportunity                                                               
to testify next  Tuesday and Thursday evenings from  6:00 to 8:00                                                               
pm. There is also the option to send in written testimony.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
[SB 23 and SB 24 were held in committee.]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:06:28 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Shower adjourned the Senate State Affairs Standing                                                                        
Committee meeting at 8:06 pm.                                                                                                   

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