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04/10/2018 03:30 PM STATE AFFAIRS

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            SENATE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         April 10, 2018                                                                                         
                           3:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kevin Meyer, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Senator John Coghill                                                                                                            
Senator Dennis Egan                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 190                                                                                                             
"An  Act   relating  to  the   retrofitting  of   certain  public                                                               
facilities and community facilities;  relating to the performance                                                               
of  energy  audits  on  schools  and  community  facilities;  and                                                               
relating to  the duties  of the Alaska  Energy Authority  and the                                                               
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 1(JUD)                                                                                  
"An  Act  relating  to absentee  voting,  voting,  early  voting,                                                               
special needs  voting, and voter  registration; relating  to poll                                                               
watchers; relating  to absentee ballots, questioned  ballots, and                                                               
questioned ballot procedures; relating  to which primary election                                                               
ballot a  voter may  use; relating to  early voting  locations at                                                               
which   persons   may   vote  absentee   ballots;   relating   to                                                               
qualifications  to vote  at a  municipal election;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 7(CRA)                                                                                  
"An  Act relating  to the  exhibition of  marked ballots  and the                                                               
prohibition on political persuasion near election polls."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 235(STA)                                                                                
"An Act relating to the exhibition of marked ballots and the                                                                    
prohibition on political persuasion near election polls."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 190                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS                                                                              
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) BEGICH                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
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BILL: HB 1                                                                                                                    
SHORT TITLE: ELECTION REGISTRATION AND VOTING                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) TUCK                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TOM BEGICH                                                                                                              
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 190, provided an overview.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SYDNEY LIENEMANN, Staff                                                                                                         
Senator Begich                                                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided a sectional analysis of SB 190.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DONALD GILLIGAN, President                                                                                                      
National Association of Energy Service Companies                                                                                
Salem, Massachusetts                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 190.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
STACY SCHUBERT, Director                                                                                                        
Governmental Relations and Public Affairs                                                                                       
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 190.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOHN ANDERSON, Director                                                                                                         
Research and Rural Development                                                                                                  
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 190.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTOPHER HODGIN, Energy Project Manager                                                                                      
Division of Facilities Services                                                                                                 
Alaska Department of Transportation and Public Facilities                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Explained the departmental implementation of                                                              
SB 190.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KATIE CONWAY, Manager                                                                                                           
Government Relations and Outreach Efficiency                                                                                    
Alaska Energy Authority                                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions related to SB 190.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
AMBER MCDONOUGH, Account Executive                                                                                              
Energy and Environmental Solutions                                                                                              
Building Technologies Division                                                                                                  
Siemens Industry, Inc.                                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions related to SB 190.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CHRIS TUCK                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HB 1, provided an overview.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KENDRA KLOSTER, Staff                                                                                                           
Representative Tuck                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided an overview and sectional analysis                                                               
of HB 1.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:32:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  KEVIN  MEYER  called the  Senate  State  Affairs  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:32  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Senators  Giessel, Wilson,  Coghill, Egan,  and Chair                                                               
Meyer.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          SB 190-ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF PUBLIC BUILDINGS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:33:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER announced the consideration of Senate Bill 190 (SB                                                                  
190).                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:33:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOM BEGICH, Alaska State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska,                                                                   
sponsor of SB 190, provided an overview as follows:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     This  bill  is  a  continuation  and  expansion  of  an                                                                    
     existing  piece of  legislation that  we are  currently                                                                    
     operating  under. The  State of  Alaska is  responsible                                                                    
     for $650 million in energy  costs associated with close                                                                    
     to 5000 different facilities.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     In 2010 the  Alaska Sustainable Energy Act  set forth a                                                                    
     goal of  energy efficiency retrofits for  25 percent of                                                                    
     our state  buildings, those were buildings  over 10,000                                                                    
     square feet. The  goal was to get to that  target of 25                                                                    
     percent by 2020. Our state  was able to reach that goal                                                                    
     by  2014  and  Senate  Bill  190  simply  extends  that                                                                    
     program  to schools  and  those  other large  community                                                                    
     centers    which    are   eligible    for    power-cost                                                                    
     equalization;  this  creates incentives  for  buildings                                                                    
     receiving state  support for energy bills  so that they                                                                    
     may   perform  retrofits   saving  the   state,  school                                                                    
     districts and communities money.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I have spoken before  in the Senate Education Committee                                                                    
     and in  other forums about  the high cost of  energy in                                                                    
     rural schools  and this  would be  a way  of addressing                                                                    
     some of  those costs  and ensuring  that more  of those                                                                    
     energy cost  that are diverted  away from  teachers can                                                                    
     go back to teachers, for example.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Senate   Bill   190   proposes   financing   efficiency                                                                    
     retrofits   by  incentivizing   a  successful   private                                                                    
     financing    called    "Energy   Service    Performance                                                                    
     Contracts,"  or  contracting   "ESCOs,"  there's  other                                                                    
     names for  these, you will  hear those  names described                                                                    
     as we  go through the  process, but essentially  it's a                                                                    
     partnership  with  private   companies  to  absorb  the                                                                    
     frontend of the cost of  these retrofits so that we can                                                                    
     benefit  publicly on  the backend.  These processes  in                                                                    
     this  contracting   has  minimal  cost  to   the  state                                                                    
     upfront,  the  energy  contracting  companies  pay  for                                                                    
     those   upfront  costs   associated  with   the  energy                                                                    
     efficiency  retrofits  and  then are  paid  back  using                                                                    
     those guaranteed cost  savings. SB 190 sets  a goal for                                                                    
     the state  and certain  public buildings to  enter into                                                                    
     about  a  $100  million   worth  of  these  performance                                                                    
     contracts  by  2025 to  pay  for  energy retrofits  set                                                                    
     forth in the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:36:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SYDNEY   LIENEMANN,   Staff,   Senator   Begich,   Alaska   State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, provided a sectional analysis of SB                                                                
190 as follows:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1                                                                                                              
     Outlines the legislative intent  that the energy audits                                                                    
     and retrofits outlined in  this legislation be financed                                                                    
     using  service-performance-contracting mechanism  where                                                                    
     upfront construction  costs are  paid by a  third party                                                                    
     either  using  Alaska   Housing  Finance  Corporation's                                                                    
     energy  efficiency  revolving  loan programs  or  by  a                                                                    
     contracting  company  with  those costs  paid  back  by                                                                    
     guaranteed energy savings from those retrofits.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2                                                                                                              
     Adds to a statute  regarding the Alaska Housing Finance                                                                    
     Corporation  to  coordinate   with  the  Alaska  Energy                                                                    
     Authority  (AEA)  when  performing  energy  audits  for                                                                    
     community   buildings    eligible   for    power   cost                                                                    
     equalization (PCE) over 5,000 square feet.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3                                                                                                              
     Gives the  Alaska Energy Authority, the  Alaska Housing                                                                    
     Finance    Corporation,   and    the   Department    of                                                                    
     Transportation and  Public Facilities the  authority to                                                                    
     perform energy audits  on community facilities eligible                                                                    
     to receive  power cost  equalization over  5,000 square                                                                    
     feet,  and  these are  the  three  state entities  with                                                                    
     expertise  or funding  streams  that  are dedicated  to                                                                    
     performing energy audits or energy retrofits.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4                                                                                                              
     Requires that  public schools receive energy  audits on                                                                    
     the  same   schedule  as  other  public   buildings  as                                                                    
     required  by the  Alaska Sustainable  Energy Act  which                                                                    
     passed into law in 2010.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5                                                                                                              
     Defines those public  schools excluding charter schools                                                                    
     eligible for energy retrofits under this bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6                                                                                                              
     Outlines   coordination  between   the  Alaska   Energy                                                                    
     Authority and  the Alaska Department  of Transportation                                                                    
     and Public  Facilities to perform  those audits  on PCE                                                                    
     eligible community facilities.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7                                                                                                              
     Since this  legislation extends the universe  of public                                                                    
     buildings  requiring  energy  audits,  it  extends  the                                                                    
     deadline and  pushes that  back to  2025 from  2020; it                                                                    
     also makes this contingent  on the financing being able                                                                    
     to  be paid  off within  15  years so  if those  energy                                                                    
     efficiency retrofits  will payoff  within 15  years and                                                                    
     also says,  "If funding  is available,"  so it's  not a                                                                    
     mandate.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8                                                                                                              
     Expands buildings  that described as  public facilities                                                                    
     to  include  educational  buildings  like  schools  and                                                                    
     reduces   the  minimum   size  for   buildings  to   be                                                                    
     considered for  retrofits from 10,000 square  feet down                                                                    
     to 5,000 square feet.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9                                                                                                              
     Adds  to the  section of  Alaska statute  governing the                                                                    
     Alaska Energy  Authority, a section which  requires all                                                                    
     PCE  eligible public  facilities to  receive an  energy                                                                    
     audit every  seven years  unless the  facility managers                                                                    
     refuse  the  energy  audit.  AEA  will  work  with  the                                                                    
     Department of  Transportation and Public  Facilities to                                                                    
     identify  public   and  private  funding   sources  and                                                                    
     perform the audits.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:39:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH  noted documents  in the  packets and  pointed out                                                               
Hawaii's fact  sheet on a  similar program where the  state saved                                                               
hundreds of  millions of dollars.  He referenced a  document that                                                               
detailed  Alaska's  school  energy  costs  from  2007-2017  which                                                               
indicates the  high costs the  state pays for energy  in schools.                                                               
He  pointed  out  the Department  of  Transportation  and  Public                                                               
Facilities'  2016  report  on  savings  achieved  on  performance                                                               
contracting.  He concluded  the document  overview by  addressing                                                               
the  state's  current  energy  performance  contracting  policies                                                               
which has saved $3.6 million.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  summarized that  for a  small  upfront amount  of money,  the                                                               
state could save as much as $100 million on energy costs.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:41:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL addressed section 1 regarding legislative intent                                                                
and read from the bill's sectional analysis and queried as                                                                      
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Upfront  construction costs  are  paid for  by a  third                                                                    
     party, it  mentions Alaska Housing  Finance Corporation                                                                    
     or by a contracting company  with those costs paid back                                                                    
     using  guaranteed energy  savings. So,  I'm looking  at                                                                    
     the  fiscal note  and it  looks like  the general  fund                                                                    
     appropriation, at  least I'm looking only  at the first                                                                    
     year and  I realize  it drops  slightly in  the ongoing                                                                    
     years, but it's $621,000, but  it's $2 million and that                                                                    
     looks like receipt authority.  So, you're thinking that                                                                    
     construction companies  are going to fund  this upfront                                                                    
     and  then somehow  get their  costs  paid back  through                                                                    
     guaranteed energy savings, how does that work?                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH explained as follows:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     This  is exactly  how we  do it  now and  those savings                                                                    
     have been realized  and the little bit  of general fund                                                                    
     money you brought up, because  we are going to be doing                                                                    
     more audits,  that's one of  the reasons why  you would                                                                    
     have that.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:43:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LIENEMANN explained the ESCO process as follows:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The way it generally works  is one of these contracting                                                                    
     companies will  set into a  contract with the  state or                                                                    
     with the  federal government and  they will  perform an                                                                    
     audit  to see  how much  money can  be saved  and there                                                                    
     will  be those  guaranteed savings  and then  the money                                                                    
     that you would  normally be paying to  your energy bill                                                                    
     above the cost  savings would go to the  company to pay                                                                    
     them off  over the length  of the contract,  then after                                                                    
     five years  or ten  years, whatever  the length  of the                                                                    
     contract is, the  contract company is done,  you get to                                                                    
     receive those  energy cost savings and  your costs drop                                                                    
     dramatically  after you  have  paid  off those  upfront                                                                    
     capital costs.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:44:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH added to Ms. Lienemann's explanation as follows:                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     That's one of the keys  here, we don't have the ability                                                                    
     to just simply fund at  the school-district level or at                                                                    
     the state level.  The kind of retrofits  we are talking                                                                    
     about here  would cost  the state  tens of  millions of                                                                    
     dollars  to  do  so.  So,  this  methodology  basically                                                                    
     doesn't  change in  the near  term the  cost of  energy                                                                    
     that would be paid, say  at the length of the contract,                                                                    
     five  or ten  years, but  the minute  that contract  is                                                                    
     paid off,  all of those  savings are realized  and that                                                                    
     is when  the big benefit  kicks in.  So, it's a  way of                                                                    
     looking at our tough  fiscal situation and innovatively                                                                    
     coming up  with a  way we  can retrofit  buildings that                                                                    
     would otherwise probably languish  for another 10 or 20                                                                    
     years, possibly  even up to replacement  time before we                                                                    
     can do anything to ensure energy savings from them.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL asked if a survey  has been done on the number of                                                               
5,000-square-foot  facilities  that  would  be  impacted  by  the                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:45:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.   LIENEMANN   answered   that  the   Alaska   Department   of                                                               
Transportation  on Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF)  in their  fiscal                                                               
note cited 430 buildings.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL addressed section  2 regarding the Alaska Housing                                                               
Finance Corporation  (AHFC) coordinating  with the  Alaska Energy                                                               
Authority (AEA) to  perform audits. He asked  what was previously                                                               
permissive and what would be new from the requirement.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. LIENEMANN  explained that DOT&PF  was responsible  for audits                                                               
but because  PCE is administered  by AEA, AEA takes  ownership of                                                               
the facilities. She  summarized that the bill would  allow AEA to                                                               
work with DOT&PF to perform the energy audits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL   addressed  section  8  and   noted  that  both                                                               
governmental and  educational facilities were included.  He asked                                                               
what  the  breakout  was  between  governmental  and  educational                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LIENEMANN replied  that previous  reports were  done by  the                                                               
Alaska Housing  Finance Corporation and the  Cold Climate Housing                                                               
Research  Center   that  broke  down  the   different  number  of                                                               
buildings  that belong  to  school districts  as  opposed to  the                                                               
State of Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:54 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  noted that the  requirement in section 9  can be                                                               
waived and asked for an explanation.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. LIENEMANN explained  that the goal was not to  make a mandate                                                               
for anyone to  have an energy audit without  a community facility                                                               
impacting its  PCE. She emphasized  that the legislation  was not                                                               
meant  to be  a threat,  just  something helpful  that the  state                                                               
could provide.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  added that he  was very  keen on not  adding more                                                               
mandates to communities  but to make the state  more efficient in                                                               
how it does  its facility management. He opined  that the opt-out                                                               
provision  would  encourage communities  to  do  an energy  audit                                                               
rather than discouraging them.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILSON noted  that Senator  Begich during  his sponsor's                                                               
statement  said   25  percent  of  the   state's  buildings  were                                                               
retrofitted for energy efficiency and asked  why he did not go on                                                               
to get another 25 percent of state buildings under compliance.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:49:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BEGICH  replied that  in  discussions  with DOT&PF,  the                                                               
department indicated  that there  were just  a few  buildings. He                                                               
explained that the idea  was to try and make as  big an impact as                                                               
possible. He  said he  had a strong  concern about  energy costs,                                                               
particularly in  rural Alaska. He asserted  that SB 190 is  a way                                                               
to get to long term lowering  of energy costs in rural Alaska and                                                               
to redirect state resources to teaching and education.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON pointed  out that in some  rural communities there                                                               
is a  general cost to provide  power and once the  threshold goes                                                               
below the minimum  cost, somebody must bear the cost.  He said if                                                               
a school  does not bear the  cost, then the cost  gets spread out                                                               
equally throughout  the community through higher  rates. He asked                                                               
if there  was a plan to  address the expectation for  lower rates                                                               
after retrofitting  that resulted in  bills staying the  same due                                                               
to an increase in rates.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:52:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH replied  that there is no mandate,  primarily if a                                                               
school  district  that   is  receiving  PCE  does   not  want  to                                                               
participate. He  noted that SB 190  is part of a  complex process                                                               
of determining ways  to lower costs without raising  the cost for                                                               
individuals.  He  asserted  that  he would  continue  to  propose                                                               
legislation to  effectively lower  energy costs.  He said  he did                                                               
not  think any  school district  would want  to raise  the energy                                                               
costs for  residents. He  conceded that  he has  heard resistance                                                               
due to  higher rates, but that  was one of the  reasons why there                                                               
is no  mandate. He  summarized that  if ways  are found  to lower                                                               
energy  costs  in  the  long   run,  then  ways  to  payback  the                                                               
artificially  increased energy  costs in  rural villages  will be                                                               
found.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER addressed section 5  regarding a statute quotation as                                                               
to what  a public school  is. He  noted that the  "public school"                                                               
definition did  not include  charter schools  and asked  if there                                                               
was a reason why that was not included.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LIENEMANN explained  that  the decision  was  to, "Keep  the                                                               
universe  small to  start with,"  but there  were no  reasons why                                                               
other  educational  facilities  could  not  be  included  if  the                                                               
program proved to be successful.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH added that charter  schools tend to be smaller and                                                               
operate under tight budgets. He said  he did not feel that it was                                                               
necessary  to  include  a  charter  school  in  the  process  but                                                               
indicated that they certainly could be.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:54:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER asked  if people who go through  the proposed process                                                               
would receive  a grant and there  would be no money  out of their                                                               
pockets.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. LIENEMANN answered as follows:                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     The  aim is  that there  would  be no  grant, but  they                                                                    
     wouldn't be out of pocket  money to start out with. So,                                                                    
     they would  enter into a contract,  the energy-service-                                                                    
     contracting   company  would   come  in,   perform  the                                                                    
     upgrades and then the school  district or the community                                                                    
     center would  see no difference  in their  energy costs                                                                    
     for the length  of the contract with  the savings going                                                                    
     to  pay off  that contract,  to pay  off those  upfront                                                                    
     capital  costs.  For the  school  district  or for  the                                                                    
     community center,  or the  public facility,  they would                                                                    
     essentially see  no change in their  energy costs until                                                                    
     the   end  of   the   contract  when   it  would   drop                                                                    
     dramatically despite  having those  efficiency upgrades                                                                    
     having been made.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  emphasized that there  would be no  upfront costs                                                               
to  the school  and that  the contractor  would bear  the upfront                                                               
cost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MEYER noted  his  concern  that even  though  a school  is                                                               
retrofitted  that  energy savings  may  not  be realized  because                                                               
students may leave windows and  doors open. He confirmed that the                                                               
proposed  program was  optional, but  questioned the  fiscal note                                                               
presented  by  the  DOT&PF  and  the  need  for  four  people  to                                                               
administer an optional program. He  added that he wondered if AEA                                                               
has the staff to do all the audits that need to be done.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:57:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER opened public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:57:58 PM                                                                                                                    
DONALD  GILLIGAN,  President,   National  Association  of  Energy                                                               
Service  Companies (NAESCO),  Salem, Massachusetts,  testified in                                                               
support  of  SB  190.  He  noted  that  members  of  NAESCO  have                                                               
delivered   approximately  $60   billion  worth   of  performance                                                               
contracting projects during  the last 30 years.  He detailed that                                                               
NAESCO is delivering  $6 billion to $7 billion  worth of projects                                                               
a year. He  noted that over $3  billion out of the  $6 billion to                                                               
$7 billion in  projects are in public schools.  He explained that                                                               
the   types  of   projects   NAESCO   delivers,  Energy   Savings                                                               
Performance  Contracts  (ESPC),  are authorized  by  the  federal                                                               
government and all 50 states.  He added that the ESPC contracting                                                               
process has had very strong  bi-partisan support for 30 years. He                                                               
noted  that  the  current  White  House  administration  supports                                                               
public-private partnerships  where private  money is  invested to                                                               
improve public facilities.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that a performance contract  repurposes money spent                                                               
on wasted energy or obsolete  equipment into a payment stream for                                                               
capital improvements.  He detailed that the  capital improvements                                                               
pay for themselves  from energy and maintenance  savings over the                                                               
life  of the  contract while  delivering capital  improvements in                                                               
the  form of  new  lighting, heating,  controls, windows,  doors,                                                               
roofs, whatever the building needs to become energy efficient.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed  measures  that  typically  are  in  a  performance                                                               
contract  which  includes  retrofitting,  advanced  measures  and                                                               
renewable energy measures.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:01:24 PM                                                                                                                    
He explained what  is driving the retrofits and  noted that there                                                               
are a  couple of major drivers.  He said number one  is a mandate                                                               
at all  levels of government to  stop wasting money and  what the                                                               
contracts do  is stop  wasting money  and diverts  an expenditure                                                               
into  a  productive use.  He  disclosed  that there  are  federal                                                               
mandates  which  have been  ongoing  for  the  last 20  years  to                                                               
upgrade  the  efficiency of  federal  facilities.  He noted  that                                                               
Senator Begich has  talked about the success  of Alaska mandating                                                               
the  upgrading  of  many  state   facilities.  He  asserted  that                                                               
committee members will see that  the key to the program's success                                                               
is an  actual mandate that is  enforced at the state  level where                                                               
the state is behind a real push for energy efficiency.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLIGAN  disclosed that over  the last 4  or 5 years  at the                                                               
federal level, the  federal government has done  about $5 billion                                                               
worth  of   ESPC  projects  in  response   to  President  Obama's                                                               
performance  contracting  challenge.  He  noted  that  the  Trump                                                               
administration  has  just  issued  a new  set  of  contracts  for                                                               
federal  facilities,  21  companies   have  the  ESPCs  with  the                                                               
anticipation that there  will $10 billion worth  of projects done                                                               
over the  next 8 years  at the federal  level. He added  that the                                                               
Trump administration  also developed a  new analysis of  how much                                                               
value there is in performance  contracting around the country and                                                               
they came  up with  the estimate  of a  potential market  of $200                                                               
billion to $300 billion.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:03:33 PM                                                                                                                    
He  disclosed  that  the employment  potential  of  the  programs                                                               
results in  every million dollars'  worth of projects  involves 9                                                               
to 10  direct or indirect jobs.  He specified that the  ESPC jobs                                                               
really  cannot be  outsourced because  local contractors  deliver                                                               
the projects  in the local  communities. He added that  there are                                                               
multiplier  jobs  for  the  value  of  keeping  the  expenditures                                                               
currently  spent on  wasted energy  in the  community, ultimately                                                               
adding up to approximately 21  jobs per million dollars' worth of                                                               
projects  which  would mean  that  the  target  in SB  190  would                                                               
produce more than 2,000 jobs.  He emphasized that the performance                                                               
of  the  projects  is  dependent  on  long  term  operations  and                                                               
maintenance,  but that  means there  are additional  jobs or  job                                                               
upgrades in  maintaining this equipment rather  than spending the                                                               
money on wasted energy.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:05:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL asked  if NAESCO members have  ever been involved                                                               
in Alaska projects.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLIGAN  answered yes. He disclosed  that Siemens-Alaska has                                                               
been involved and detailed that  NAESCO members have done several                                                               
projects  for  the  U.S.  Coast  Guard and  the  Bureau  of  Land                                                               
Management in  Fairbanks as well  as some very large  projects at                                                               
Alaska's military bases.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL asked if Siemens-Alaska is a local company.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLIGAN answered  that Siemens-Alaska is a  branch office of                                                               
an international company.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  asserted that SB  190 was an excellent  idea. He                                                               
noted that he  wonders if the payback from the  energy savings is                                                               
realized or do  retrofits continually have to  occur. He remarked                                                               
that energy  may be saved  but questioned whether costs  are ever                                                               
reduced.  He asked  if the  payback  time is  something that  has                                                               
become valuable.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GILLIGAN   answered  that  the  project   can  be  developed                                                               
according to the  requirements of the customer. He  noted that if                                                               
the customer wants  a very quick payback so that  the project can                                                               
generate cash savings from day-one,  that kind of project doesn't                                                               
get you  a comprehensive retrofit, it  may not solve some  of the                                                               
long-term  capital or  maintenance problems  in the  building. He                                                               
pointed  out that  a  customer  can have  a  three or  five-year-                                                               
payback  project which  generates cash  savings from  day-one. He                                                               
said  on the  other end  of the  spectrum that  a customer  could                                                               
invest their  savings in  long-term capital  improvements solving                                                               
the bigger long-term  problems of the building so  that the state                                                               
or local government  would not have to appropriate  new tax money                                                               
to deal with issues like roofs or windows.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:08:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  opined that the  concept was an  as-needed basis                                                               
and noted that he would look over  a range of projects to see how                                                               
they turned out.  He noted that the  bill addresses 5,000-square-                                                               
footage  facilities,  a size  that  he  believed was  small,  and                                                               
inquired  if smaller  facilities  result in  tighter margins.  He                                                               
asked if Mr. Gilligan has  dealt with 5,000 square foot municipal                                                               
and state facilities.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GILLIGAN conceded  that  doing individual  5,000-square-foot                                                               
buildings is very difficult. He continued as follows:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     The state organizing a project  of willing customers so                                                                    
     that  you  can  aggregate  a  fairly  large  number  of                                                                    
     facilities and  be able  to do  those in  a streamlined                                                                    
     way,  it  would be  quite  difficult  to do  individual                                                                    
     5,000-square-foot buildings scattered  across the whole                                                                    
     state of  Alaska, you  would really  have to  pull them                                                                    
     together and  figure out  how to do  it, but  there are                                                                    
     resources in Alaska that I think can handle this.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:09:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL commented as follows:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I think  when we  start talking about  communities that                                                                    
     we are  going to  qualify based  on the  PCE, certainly                                                                    
     energy is a big issue,  but they are definitely islands                                                                    
     to  themselves,  so they  are  definitely  going to  be                                                                    
     something you would  have to template and  maybe I will                                                                    
     ask  the  sponsor  how  he envisions  that  kind  of  a                                                                    
     template.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR EGAN noted  that he had done an energy  audit on his home                                                               
and received  an AHFC  loan for an  energy upgrade.  He explained                                                               
that  he had  to pay  off the  loan and  the state  did not  lose                                                               
money. He  asked if the  proposed legislation was an  offshoot of                                                               
the energy audit and loan that he received.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER asked  if the program Senator Egan  described is like                                                               
the proposed legislation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GILLIGAN answered  essentially  yes. He  specified that  the                                                               
difference  is  the  energy   service  companies  guarantees  the                                                               
savings  and takes  the technical  risk that  the retrofits  will                                                               
save the money that is required to pay off the loan.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:11:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR EGAN concurred with Mr.  Gilligan and noted that his home                                                               
was re-audited and ultimately saved money.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLIGAN explained that the  projects typically have the kind                                                               
of reports that Senator Egan noted  but not just once, every year                                                               
for  the length  of  the  project so  that  the  customer can  be                                                               
assured that the  project is saving money. He  emphasized that if                                                               
a problem develops, the ESCO is responsible for fixing it.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER  asked if  Siemens-Alaska is  one of  the contractors                                                               
that is used for ESCO projects.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GILLIGAN  answered  yes.  He   noted  that  Siemens  does  a                                                               
tremendous amount of performance contracts across the country.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:13:16 PM                                                                                                                    
STACY  SCHUBERT,  Director,  Governmental  Relations  and  Public                                                               
Affairs,  Alaska Housing  Finance Corporation  (AHFC), Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, admitted that  people tend to think  about AHFC regarding                                                               
energy   efficiency   for   the   Energy   Rebate   Program   and                                                               
weatherization.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER asked if the concept proposed in SB 190 will work                                                                   
the same way as home audits.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:14:13 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN ANDERSON, Director, Research and Rural Development, Alaska                                                                 
Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC), Anchorage, Alaska, explained                                                                
AHFC's role as follows:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     How we  got involved in this  is back in 2009  with the                                                                    
     American  Recovery   and  Reinvestment  Act.   AHFC  in                                                                    
     conjunction with  the Alaska Energy  Authority received                                                                    
     many  millions of  dollars, at  that time  we had  also                                                                    
     received $300  million for the  Home Energy  Rebate and                                                                    
     Weatherization Program.  Our team at AHFC  found a hole                                                                    
     in the  process to  be able  to use  $10 million  to go                                                                    
     after multi-family-public-facility  retrofit and energy                                                                    
     efficiency projects. What  we did back then  is we went                                                                    
     in  and  did  benchmarking  on  1,200  facilities,  and                                                                    
     benchmarking  is  basically   a  documentation  of  the                                                                    
     facility's   size,   use,    energy   use   and   basic                                                                    
     information; of those benchmark  buildings we chose 327                                                                    
     buildings  that were  very inefficient  as far  as data                                                                    
     that  we  had  collected,  and we  went  and  performed                                                                    
     level-2  audits  on the  327  buildings  and half  were                                                                    
     schools.  From that  process, and  from 2009  and 2010,                                                                    
     state  legislation  happened  that  provided  AHFC  the                                                                    
     bonding authority of $250  million; that's just bonding                                                                    
     authority,  we do  not  have that  money,  but it  also                                                                    
     helped us  create the Energy Efficiency  Revolving Loan                                                                    
     Fund for  public facilities.  Through that  process and                                                                    
     the involvement  of that, AHFC developed  a standard of                                                                    
     what we  call the  Retrofit Energy Assessment  for Loan                                                                    
     (REAL)  or for  funding,  it's titled  "loan," but  our                                                                    
     intention is for funding of some nature.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     At the  end of the day  that is what AHFC  really wants                                                                    
     to see in  reference to not just  public facilities and                                                                    
     us  working with  DOT&PF  and AEA,  but  our own  1,600                                                                    
     public housing  units that we  have that are  really of                                                                    
     the commercial  model, mainly. The standard  is what we                                                                    
     believe is  the important  characteristic here.  In the                                                                    
     REAL manual we do have  ESCOs listed, we do have energy                                                                    
     performance contracting  models that are in  there, but                                                                    
     we  have  also worked  in  conjunction  with DOT&PF  to                                                                    
     create a  smaller version of that  aspect called Energy                                                                    
     Project Developers, it was a  statewide RFP and DOT&PF,                                                                    
     and  Alaska Housing  worked  hand-in-hand  to put  that                                                                    
     out,  there's  a  smaller list  of  approved  qualified                                                                    
     entities that perform smaller  projects. The process to                                                                    
     do 5,000  square foot  buildings one-on-one,  the ESCOs                                                                    
     will not touch that type  of a project, we've been told                                                                    
     over and over its very difficult for them.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     That's really in  a nutshell is how  AHFC got involved.                                                                    
     We  developed  a  white-paper, a  very  in-depth  white                                                                    
     paper, in  November of  2012 is  when we  published it,                                                                    
     and  that  white-paper  indicated through  all  of  the                                                                    
     information that we had gathered  at the time of all of                                                                    
     the audits  and all of  the bench markings we  did that                                                                    
     the  potential improvements  from energy  savings could                                                                    
     be roughly  $125 million a  year for  public facilities                                                                    
     alone. You  have to remember  that that is  a time-and-                                                                    
     time caption  because the cost  of energy  in 2009-2011                                                                    
     is a lot  different than what it looks  like today. Any                                                                    
     type of  a project  that gets established  through this                                                                    
     or  through the  lesser version  of the  energy project                                                                    
     developer or even inhouse capability,  at some point in                                                                    
     time the project  has to pencil-out based  on energy on                                                                    
     that  day. We  don't know  what the  future brings,  we                                                                    
     don't know if it's going  to escalate, we don't know if                                                                    
     it's  going to  de-escalate, so  it's a  very difficult                                                                    
     process.  The ESCO  guarantee  in  normal fashion  will                                                                    
     guarantee the  energy savings, not  cost, so that  is a                                                                    
     factor moving forward. Senator  Begich pointed out that                                                                    
     the local  utilities, even though they  might be seeing                                                                    
     an   energy  consumption   reduction,   the  cost   may                                                                    
     increase. We  have witnessed that in  other communities                                                                    
     on  a smaller  level with  our weatherization  program,                                                                    
     but  it's kind  of  an unknown  factor.  We could  also                                                                    
     continue  to  have  a   technical  assistance  for  our                                                                    
     revolving loan program  for the REAL manual,  we have a                                                                    
     competitive grant  right now through the  Department of                                                                    
     Energy,  that is  also  doing what  is  called a  "kick                                                                    
     starter" program where we are  actually providing up to                                                                    
     $10,000 in  minimal grants to  go through  this process                                                                    
     using  those  energy  project   developers,  to  get  a                                                                    
     project  kind of  kick-started in  some of  these rural                                                                    
     communities and see actual how big the benefit is.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:19:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER asked if AHFC worked with the Alaska Energy                                                                         
Authority (AEA).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON answered  correct. He  noted  that AHFC  has had  a                                                               
monthly coordination  meeting with AEA  for the past  three years                                                               
and meetings  have been useful.  He explained that the  intent is                                                               
to  make sure  there  is  not overlapping  of  services and  that                                                               
activities are coordinated. He added  that AHFC works with DOT&PF                                                               
regarding  project   maintenance  and  verification,   an  aspect                                                               
required for contracts and guarantees.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL asked  what Mr.  Anderson meant  by "Maintenance                                                               
has to be written into the  contract." She disclosed that she had                                                               
worked in rural Alaska and commented as follows:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     I'm  going  to  speak  about schools,  that's  where  I                                                                    
     worked,   that  those   buildings,  which   are  called                                                                    
     "plants," they require some  expertise to maintain. So,                                                                    
     with  these energy  upgrades are  we talking  now about                                                                    
     yet more expertise being required in rural areas?                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:21:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. ANDERSON  explained that  he was referring  to a  normal ESCO                                                               
model or "EBC" contract and explained as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     You would  have a process  that that contractor  has to                                                                    
     provide to  the owner of the  facility, maintenance and                                                                    
     verification that  their upgrades and their  process is                                                                    
     doing what they  said they were going to  do to achieve                                                                    
     the goal.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL replied as follows:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     I'm still blank. So, the  project is finished, maybe it                                                                    
     took  five years  to finish  and the  contractor is  on                                                                    
     their  way and  they are  waiting to  be paid  back now                                                                    
     with  the savings,  somebody  living  in the  community                                                                    
     where this 5,000-foot school is,  it's going to have to                                                                    
     maintain that building, they are  going to have to have                                                                    
     the expertise.  So, that's not  what you  are referring                                                                    
     to when you say maintenance must be in the contracts?                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON replied  that Senator Giessel was  correct that that                                                               
was  not what  he  was referring  to. He  specified  that he  was                                                               
referring  to a  maintenance  and verification  process that  the                                                               
contractor performed like they said they were going to.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL readdressed  his  question on  5,000-square-foot                                                               
facilities and  asked if  Mr. Anderson's  expectation was  to get                                                               
several communities to quantify a general savings.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  replied that he  thought the process could  be done                                                               
regionally to combine a lot of facilities into one project.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:25:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRISTOPHER HODGIN, Energy Project  Manager, Alaska Department of                                                               
Transportation   and  Public   Facilities  (DOT&PF),   Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, explained  the department's  implementation of SB  190 as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Some parts of the bill  regarding the 5,000 square foot                                                                    
     threshold and the ability to  make those sized projects                                                                    
     work, what DOT&PF has done  on recent projects, we have                                                                    
     had  cases  where  we  have  had  buildings  that  were                                                                    
     smaller  scale,  so we  bundled  those  projects. In  a                                                                    
     recent  case we  had  16 maintenance  stations that  we                                                                    
     bundled  together,  so we  have  a  term contract  with                                                                    
     Energy Service  Contractors, Siemens  being one  of our                                                                    
     providers, so that's how we  were able to address those                                                                    
     situations with  remote stations  that were  smaller in                                                                    
     nature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     A  little about  what Mr.  Anderson was  speaking about                                                                    
     from  Alaska   Housing  Finance  Corporation,   he  was                                                                    
     speaking to  validating the  savings after  our project                                                                    
     was  complete, that  phase is  called "measurement  and                                                                    
     verification,"  so  after  a project  is  complete  the                                                                    
     ESCOs  like Siemens  visit the  project sites  again to                                                                    
     take  measurements and  validate  the projected  energy                                                                    
     savings  that they  proposed as  part  of the  projects                                                                    
     were indeed realized.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He explained that DOT&PF operates  the state's Energy Performance                                                               
Contracting  Program.   He  detailed  that  the   department  has                                                               
invested  $35 million  in approximately  70  state buildings.  He                                                               
specified that  funding was done  with a combination  of financed                                                               
funds  borrowed  from  lenders,  state  funds,  and  the  federal                                                               
government's American  Reinvestment Recovery Funds.  He disclosed                                                               
that  the  annual monetized  savings  from  the program  is  $3.3                                                               
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MEYER asked  if  the  state has  invested  $35 million  in                                                               
making  retrofits and  the savings  has  been approximately  $3.3                                                               
million per year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. HODGIN answered correct.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER inquired if the $3.3  million in savings will be used                                                               
to pay off the loan that was financed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:28:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  HODGIN  answered  correct. He  noted  that  DOT&PF's  recent                                                               
project  with  its  maintenance stations  used  Siemens  and  the                                                               
savings will be used to repay the loan with a private lender.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER asked where the state funds came from.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HODGIN replied  that  he  believed the  state  funds were  a                                                               
combination   of  general   funds   from  different   maintenance                                                               
appropriations.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL commented as follows:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     I'm still  caught in the  practicality here. If  we are                                                                    
     talking about rural schools, I  seriously am aware that                                                                    
     maintaining  these facilities  requires some  technical                                                                    
     knowledge that  may not be available  in the community.                                                                    
     So,  if  these facilities  are  going  to be  upgraded,                                                                    
     there's  going to  be more  information  needed by  the                                                                    
     folks that actually live in  these small communities of                                                                    
     175 people.  I'm just wondering about  the practicality                                                                    
     of  this, not  we don't  want to  do it;  again, having                                                                    
     worked in  these rural  schools I  can tell  you number                                                                    
     one, it's been my experience  being there in the winter                                                                    
     these  buildings are  vastly over  heated, I  mean yes,                                                                    
     opening windows to cool the  place off. There are a lot                                                                    
     of issues  when we  are talking  about rural  energy in                                                                    
     schools.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER  noted that  PCE buildings run  on diesel  or heating                                                               
oil and asked if alternative  energy sources are being considered                                                               
for retrofits.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:31:31 PM                                                                                                                    
KATIE  CONWAY,  Government   Relations  and  Outreach  Efficiency                                                               
Manager,  Alaska Energy  Authority, Anchorage,  Alaska, addressed                                                               
PCE buildings receiving retrofits as follows:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  PCE  component  and   potential  benefit  in  cost                                                                    
     savings  to  both  the state  and  the  facility  owner                                                                    
     should   that   result   in   implementation   measures                                                                    
     conducted  in  the  building  would  only  concern  the                                                                    
     electricity  savings,  but  there  would  likely  be  a                                                                    
     pretty significant savings on the  heat side as well. I                                                                    
     can say that the community facilities receiving power                                                                      
         cost equalization would probably have a lot of                                                                         
     potential savings identified in audit.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER replied  that PCE is obviously the  electric part but                                                               
noted that heating  fuel should also be thought  about for energy                                                               
savings as well.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CONWAY answered  that the audit would point  at both electric                                                               
and heat savings opportunities.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:33:48 PM                                                                                                                    
AMBER  MCDONOUGH,  Account  Executive, Energy  and  Environmental                                                               
Solutions,  Building  Technologies  Division,  Siemens  Industry,                                                               
Inc.,  Anchorage,  Alaska,  disclosed  that  Siemens  has  worked                                                               
DOT&PF, AHFC, and AEA. She asked  if Chair Meyer was inquiring if                                                               
consideration  was  given  to  all  options  when  Siemens  makes                                                               
recommendations. She  detailed that Siemens goes  through several                                                               
stages  during project  development where  different options  are                                                               
proposed with preliminary  pricing so that the end  user can pick                                                               
the  most  viable  solution.  She  said  incorporating  renewable                                                               
technology is ultimately up to the end user.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:35:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER closed public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH  noted that  his  office  has worked  with  rural                                                               
districts on exploring renewable energy sources.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER  pointed out  that a  renewable energy  program could                                                               
qualify for money from alternative energy programs.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER held SB 190 in committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
             HB 1-ELECTION REGISTRATION AND VOTING                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:37:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER announced the consideration of House Bill 1 (HB 1).                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:37:56 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  CHRIS  TUCK,  Alaska State  Legislature,  Juneau,                                                               
Alaska, sponsor of HB 1, provided an overview as follows:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
         House Bill 1 is dealing with elections, it is                                                                          
      important that every Alaskan has the opportunity to                                                                       
     have their  voice heard in  the election  process. When                                                                    
     we exercise our right to vote  we can have an impact on                                                                    
     our community  far beyond an election.  We are electing                                                                    
     individuals   who  are   representing  us   and  making                                                                    
     decisions  on  behalf  of   everyone.  We  are  setting                                                                    
     policies  that guide  our state  and  voting on  issues                                                                    
     that impact our community.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 1  includes a series of  changes designed to                                                                    
     create voter participation and  access to voting across                                                                    
     the  state  by  improving  and  clarifying  the  voting                                                                    
     process and these changes include: providing same-day-                                                                     
     voter registration  to allow all eligible  Alaskans the                                                                    
     opportunity   to    vote;   enhancing    online   voter                                                                    
     registration  with electronic  signatures  to make  the                                                                    
     registration process  quicker and easier;  ensuring the                                                                    
     same early-voting locations  are available during every                                                                    
     election;  creating an  option  for permanent  absentee                                                                    
     voting for individuals that plan  to vote by mail every                                                                    
     year;  clarifying and  unifying  terminology for  early                                                                    
     voting [inaudible]  confusion between early  voting and                                                                    
     absentee in-person  voting, that's probably one  of the                                                                    
     biggest  things right  there because  absentee and  in-                                                                    
     person voting  confuses people, it  is a form  of early                                                                    
     voting,  it  just  depends  on  where  you  are  voting                                                                    
       whether it is truly an early voting or absentee in-                                                                      
     person  voting  because  I  think  it  is  kind  of  an                                                                    
     oxymoron, which is it, are  you there or not there, are                                                                    
     you an  in-person or an  out-person, are you  absent or                                                                    
     not absent.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   TUCK  detailed   that  feedback   from  previous                                                               
committee  hearings and  the Division  of  Elections resulted  in                                                               
changes to clean  up and clarify the election  statutes. He noted                                                               
that the election statutes had not been updated since 1960.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:40:02 PM                                                                                                                    
KENDRA KLOSTER, Staff, Representative Tuck, Alaska State                                                                        
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, provided an overview of HB 1 as                                                                    
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     We started out with 13 sections  which is now up to 31.                                                                    
     We  have  been working  closely  with  the Division  of                                                                    
     Elections and kind of turning  into a clean-up bill, as                                                                    
     mentioned. Some  of the  things that  are in  there are                                                                    
     currently  being  done but  are  not  reflected in  our                                                                    
     statutes, so I wanted to  take the opportunity to clean                                                                    
     that up.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I've also  had the privilege  of working with  a number                                                                    
     of individuals, ANCSA  [Alaska Native Claims Settlement                                                                    
     Act]  Regional Association  and AFN  [Alaska Federation                                                                    
     of Natives] who  have letters of support in  here and a                                                                    
     lot of  these recommendations  and things that  we have                                                                    
     talked about  have come from  them as  well, especially                                                                    
     looking  at  the rural  areas  and  one of  the  issues                                                                    
     talked about is early voting  locations. A lot of times                                                                    
     things might change,  so they wanted a  little bit more                                                                    
     consistency to know we're going  to have the same early                                                                    
     voting location  every single year  and so  that's some                                                                    
     of the  clarifying language in there.  The absentee in-                                                                    
     person voting, so  you don't have to  keep filling out,                                                                    
     some  people  might vote  from  home  because they  are                                                                    
     disabled,  and   they  keep  having  to   fill  out  an                                                                    
     application every  year to get  their ballot  when they                                                                    
     know,  "Well,  every  year  I'm   going  to  be  voting                                                                    
     absentee  because I  can't make  it to  the pole."  So,                                                                    
     what it  will do is just  add on an extra  box that you                                                                    
     can add on there and say,  "Yes, I want it every year,"                                                                    
     but  they  will fall  off  the  rolls of  getting  that                                                                    
     ballot if they don't keep voting.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     In my  off-time I've  worked with  "Get Out  the Native                                                                    
     Vote" from a non-partisan  organization where they just                                                                    
     want  clarifying  language   with  the  early  absentee                                                                    
     voting because  I've heard  many stories  especially in                                                                    
     the rural areas where there  was a lot of confusion and                                                                    
     some people  even got turned  away at  voting locations                                                                    
     because, "Oh,  you need reasons  to vote or this  is an                                                                    
     absentee  or here  you are  not early  voting." I  know                                                                    
     those   organizations  have   been  doing   a  lot   of                                                                    
     education, so they  know what early voting  is and this                                                                    
     was a terminology they wanted to clarify.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:42:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KLOSTER referenced the sectional analysis as follows:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1                                                                                                              
     Removes  language from  AS  15.05.010  that requires  a                                                                    
     qualified voter  to register under  AS 15.07  before an                                                                    
     election.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2                                                                                                              
     Permits  a person  registering  or  reregistering as  a                                                                    
     voter to apply using an electronic signature.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3                                                                                                              
     Requires that  every registration  form must  include a                                                                    
     space  for an  applicant who  is registered  in another                                                                    
     jurisdiction   to   specify  that   jurisdiction.   The                                                                    
     director will  then notify the chief  elections officer                                                                    
     in that jurisdiction.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4                                                                                                              
     Instructing the  director of the Division  of Elections                                                                    
     to  determine the  form of  electronic signature  to be                                                                    
     used when registering to vote.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5                                                                                                              
     Allows  a qualified  voter registering  on  the day  of                                                                    
     election, or within  30 days of an election,  to vote a                                                                    
     questioned ballot at that election.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6                                                                                                              
     Amends AS  15.07.070(h) the procedure  for registration                                                                    
     is  amended  to clarify  the  use  of a  special  needs                                                                    
     ballot and  clarifies that  on the  voter's certificate                                                                    
     on  the ballot  that  registration  includes a  voter's                                                                    
     choice to  declare a  political party,  non-partisan or                                                                    
     undeclared.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7                                                                                                              
     Stating that  section 15.07.070 includes  special needs                                                                    
     ballot which is defined under 15.20.072.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8                                                                                                              
     Amends AS 15.07.090(b) stating  if a voter registration                                                                    
     is  cancelled under  AS  15.07.130 (voter  registration                                                                    
     and list maintenance), and  they re-register they shall                                                                    
     vote a questioned ballot.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:44:52 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KLOSTER referenced sections 9-19 as follows:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9                                                                                                              
     Conforming  language for  same day  voter registration.                                                                    
     This amends  AS 15.07.090(c)    voting after  change of                                                                    
     name, reregistration    to add language  that states if                                                                    
     a  person  moved  to  a   new  precinct,  they  vote  a                                                                    
     questioned  ballot.  This  does  not  change  that  the                                                                    
     person must  live in  the precinct  they are  voting in                                                                    
     for at least 30 days.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10                                                                                                             
     Cleans up  language about a  voter who is not  found on                                                                    
     the  voter registrar  to vote  a questioned  ballot. By                                                                    
     voting a  questioned ballot, there is  a review process                                                                    
     by the division to ensure they are a qualified voter.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 11                                                                                                             
     Definition expansion for  absentee or questioned ballot                                                                    
     to include a special needs ballot.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section 12                                                                                                             
     Conforms AS 15.07.130(e) to changes  made in section 19                                                                    
     of the bill which  changes terminology of "absentee and                                                                    
     absentee in person voting" to  early voting. This is to                                                                    
     clarify  to the  public  as absentee  in person  voting                                                                    
     stations  has been  confusing, so  we want  to call  it                                                                    
     what it is  early voting.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 13                                                                                                             
     Clarifies  privileges of  poll  watchers  in a  general                                                                    
     election   or  special   election  related   to  ballot                                                                    
     propositions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14                                                                                                             
     Adds  a new  section  to AS  15.10.170 appointment  and                                                                    
     privileges of  poll watchers  to clarify  poll watchers                                                                    
     may be  designated by prescient party  chair, organized                                                                    
     group,  or candidate.  This is  the  language that  was                                                                    
     removed in section 13 and made a new subsection.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 15-18                                                                                                         
     Relates  to questioned  ballot procedure  and adding  a                                                                    
     declaration attesting  to the  fact that the  voter has                                                                    
     been a  resident of the  election district for  30 days                                                                    
     and that all  of the information provided  by the voter                                                                    
     is accurate.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 19                                                                                                             
     Renames   absentee   voting  stations   "early   voting                                                                    
     stations." Provides  that a  location designated  as an                                                                    
     early  voting  station  will  remain  an  early  voting                                                                    
     station  for subsequent  elections unless  the location                                                                    
     is no longer  available for use or the  director of the                                                                    
     division of  elections determines that the  location is                                                                    
     no longer appropriate. Requires  the director to make a                                                                    
     determination that a location  is no longer appropriate                                                                    
     for use  as an  early voting  station available  to the                                                                    
     public in writing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:47:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KLOSTER referenced sections 20-31 as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 20-23                                                                                                         
     Conforms  AS 15.20.050  to changes  made in  Section 18                                                                    
     related to early voting stations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 24                                                                                                             
     Allowing voter registration  updates through electronic                                                                    
     absentee  ballot and  fax.  Voter registration  updates                                                                    
     are allowed  through all other  means, so  the division                                                                    
     asked that  we also allow  for updates when  people use                                                                    
     electronic transmissions.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 25                                                                                                             
     Requires an  absentee ballot application to  include an                                                                    
     option  for  a  voter  to choose  to  receive  absentee                                                                    
     ballots by  mail for  future regularly  scheduled state                                                                    
     elections.   Provides   conditions  under   which   the                                                                    
     director  may require  a voter  to  reapply to  receive                                                                    
     absentee ballots by mail.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 26                                                                                                             
     Conforming  changes for  same  day voter  registration.                                                                    
     Amends  AS  15.25.060(b)  relating to  preparation  and                                                                    
     distribution of ballots; appropriate ballot.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section 27                                                                                                             
     Definition of electronic signature.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section 28                                                                                                             
     Conforming to section  19 of the bill  related to early                                                                    
     voting stations.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 29                                                                                                             
     Conforming  to  same  day voter  registration,  stating                                                                    
     those who  register within 30  days before  a municipal                                                                    
     election  shall  vote  an absentee,  special  needs  or                                                                    
     questioned  ballot  in  that  election.  The  voter  is                                                                    
     required to live in the district for at least 30 days.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 30                                                                                                             
     Conforming to  same day voter registration.  Repeals AS                                                                    
     29.26.050(a)(3):  voter  qualifications, is  registered                                                                    
     to  vote  in  state  elections at  a  resident  address                                                                    
     within  a  municipality at  least  30  days before  the                                                                    
     municipal election at which the person seeks to vote.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 31                                                                                                             
     Provides authority  to the director of  the division of                                                                    
     elections  in   uncodified  law   to  adopt   or  amend                                                                    
     regulations as necessary to  implement the changes made                                                                    
     by the Act.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:49:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER commented as follows:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     We  certainly want  to get  as many  people to  vote as                                                                    
     possible,  that's what  makes America  great, it's  our                                                                    
     democracy;  however,   you  also  want  people   to  be                                                                    
     informed when they  vote. I wonder if  somebody who can                                                                    
     think far enough ahead to  register to vote that having                                                                    
     them vote on the same  day, will they be informed? Some                                                                    
     of  the issues  are  complex,  especially when  dealing                                                                    
     with bonds or initiatives.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK replied as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     One of things that we  have is sometimes people haven't                                                                    
     changed their  voter registration and sure,  they could                                                                    
     still do  a question ballot but  the difference between                                                                    
     a  question ballot  and absentee  ballot is  a question                                                                    
     ballot a person may not be  able to vote all of the way                                                                    
     down the  ballot where an  absentee voter can  vote all                                                                    
     the way down the ballot.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     When we  use the  term "absentee," absentee  also means                                                                    
     those  people who  are  voting by  mail,  they are  not                                                                    
     necessarily absent.  So, that's  the reason why  we are                                                                    
     looking  at  the  terminology  in  some  of  the  stuff                                                                    
     because it  gets really confusing, especially  when you                                                                    
     go in-person absentee voting.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     We are trying to clean  things up, make things a little                                                                    
     bit simpler, but for the  person that is voting for the                                                                    
     first  time  ever, they  still  have  to be  an  Alaska                                                                    
     resident  for  30  days  before  hand,  that  does  not                                                                    
     change, and  their address has  to be at  that location                                                                    
     for 30  days, that doesn't change.  If perhaps somebody                                                                    
     moves from  one district  to another district  and they                                                                    
     get it 10 days before  the election, they won't be able                                                                    
     to vote  in that  election, they can  only vote  in the                                                                    
     previous district  that they  were in and  the absentee                                                                    
     ballot then  becomes a question  ballot if they  do not                                                                    
     have  the verification  to show  that they  lived there                                                                    
     for 30 days.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     So,  that's  kind  of  how it  works,  but  you  still,                                                                    
     constitutionally, have to be an  Alaska resident for 30                                                                    
     days,  you can't  deny anyone  to vote  prior to  that.                                                                    
     This is  for Alaska residents that  have been residents                                                                    
     for over 30 days that are voting for the first time.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:51:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MEYER   asked  if  a   person  that  registers   can  vote                                                               
immediately or must wait 30 days.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK  explained  that  currently  a  person  must                                                               
register 30 days before an election.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER  asked if HB 1  would allow a person  to register and                                                               
vote on the same day.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK answered correct.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER  asked if a  person that  registers and votes  on the                                                               
same day  will be informed on  the issues on the  ballot versus a                                                               
person that registers 30 days ahead of time.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK replied as follows:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     I think  that's the reason  why in our  constitution we                                                                    
     still require  them to  be a resident  for 30  days and                                                                    
     also, they  claim where their  residency is  because if                                                                    
     somebody moved  from one district to  another district,                                                                    
     they may  not know the  issues of that  other district,                                                                    
     they may  not know the  candidates so well.  So, that's                                                                    
     why   there  is   in   our   constitution  the   30-day                                                                    
     requirement.  So,  you don't  want  them  to vote  down                                                                    
     ballot in that case.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:52:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KLOSTER  pointed out  that a lot  of the  registration issues                                                               
are  being taken  care of  because people  are now  automatically                                                               
being registered to vote when they  apply for their PFD. She said                                                               
one of the biggest issues is  people are not changing their voter                                                               
registration,   whether  from   moving   or  a   change  due   to                                                               
redistricting. She  said people should  still be allowed  to vote                                                               
so that  their voices can  be heard.  She remarked that  same day                                                               
voter  registration  will help  individuals  that  move from  one                                                               
district  to  another but  emphasized  that  an individual  would                                                               
still have  to show that they've  been in their new  district for                                                               
30 days.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK commented on  consistent polling locations as                                                               
follows:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     That's  one of  the reasons  why  we want  to keep  the                                                                    
     polling   locations  for   10  years   once  they   are                                                                    
     established because  people are creatures of  habit and                                                                    
     they like  going to the same  place to go vote,  but if                                                                    
     they  moved  and they  show  up  to the  wrong  polling                                                                    
     location,  they  can  either be  sent  to  the  polling                                                                    
     location they  have or  they can  do a  question ballot                                                                    
     right then and  there, but the example just  given is a                                                                    
     good reason why  some will be able to  register to vote                                                                    
     and  then  on their  ballot  they  can actually  change                                                                    
     their voter registration as they cast their ballot.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:55:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  addressed same-day  registration and  asked what                                                               
constitutes, "lived in Alaska for 30 days."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK replied  that he would refer  to the Division                                                               
of  Elections' application  process and  noted that  the division                                                               
has verifiers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLOSTER explained  that a lot of things that  the Division of                                                               
Elections does with registration will  not change. She noted that                                                               
individuals must  sign a declaration  saying that they  have been                                                               
in Alaska for  30 days and lying is a  misdemeanor. She explained                                                               
that the intent of the  same-day-voter registration is to confirm                                                               
that a  person is an  Alaska resident  and noted that  the person                                                               
would  vote a  question ballot  that would  be counted  later for                                                               
verification. She  reiterated that  the process is  not changing,                                                               
and the same-day-voter registrant's vote will be double-checked.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:57:00 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK added  that Alaska is part  of the Electronic                                                               
Registration Information  Center (ERIC) database that  allows the                                                               
state to verify whether someone is registered somewhere else.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON  addressed section 25,  page 11, line 5.  He asked                                                               
about absentee  applications for individuals that  have not voted                                                               
for four years and queried if  the time period is random years or                                                               
consecutive years.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TUCK answered  that the  section referenced  four                                                               
consecutive years.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILSON  asked if the  word "consecutive" should  be added                                                               
to the section.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLOSTER replied as follows:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     They  are  not necessarily  falling  off  of the  voter                                                                    
     polls, what  they are  doing is  just not  receiving an                                                                    
     absentee  ballot automatically,  it's just  making sure                                                                    
     we are  not sending  absentee ballots out  to locations                                                                    
     that maybe someone  does not live anymore.  So, if they                                                                    
     received the ballot  back, they will be  taken off that                                                                    
     list but  not necessarily taken off  the eligibility to                                                                    
     vote, it's  just not receiving  that ballot,  so making                                                                    
     sure  we are  not  sending  out to  people  who are  no                                                                    
     longer living  there. That was  the other part,  if you                                                                    
     were  looking  on  lines  7  and  8,  the  Division  of                                                                    
     Elections  does send  out  additional  mail to  confirm                                                                    
     some of  the mailing  addresses. So,  if they  also get                                                                    
     return mail  that is undeliverable, they  will come off                                                                    
     the  list from  being  automatically  sent an  absentee                                                                    
     ballot but not off of the voter register list.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILSON opined  that people  are creatures  of habit  and                                                               
noted his concern if a person does not receive a reminder.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLOSTER replied  that she believed the  Division of Elections                                                               
sends out mail and reminders ahead of time but will verify.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MEYER  asked if  the  state  follows the  Municipality  of                                                               
Anchorage   on   mail-in   ballots.  He   asked   if   regulatory                                                               
consideration has been given to mail-in ballots.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:00:57 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE TUCK answered as follows:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     We did  introduce this bill before  the Municipality of                                                                    
     Anchorage had  done their  vote by  mail. This  isn't a                                                                    
     vote by  mail, this is  just those that want  to check-                                                                    
     off  a box  and continue  to receive,  that way  people                                                                    
     could still go  to the polls. We are  not shutting down                                                                    
     polling locations  or things  like that,  just allowing                                                                    
     the option.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MEYER pointed out that a person must register to vote 30                                                                  
days prior to an election to participate in the vote-by-mail                                                                    
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL commented as follows:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page  11,  lines  7-8, it's  intriguing  in  that  when                                                                    
     Anchorage  did   the  mail  voting   several  addresses                                                                    
     received  multiple ballots  for  people  who no  longer                                                                    
     lived  there which  calls into  question of  course the                                                                    
     security;   that's  an   interesting  sentence   there,                                                                    
     "Return to  the division  as undeliverable." I  guess I                                                                    
     was alarmed  that the postal service  delivered mail at                                                                    
     a location  where the people  didn't live  anymore, and                                                                    
     it  happened at  multiple locations,  an issue  that is                                                                    
     not  addressed in  the bill  and I  guess you  can't do                                                                    
     much about the U.S. Postal Service.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MEYER [held HB 1 in committee.]                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:03:18 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Meyer adjourned the Senate State Affairs Standing                                                                         
Committee at 5:03 p.m.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 190 Version J.PDF SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB190 Sponsor Statement.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB190 Sectional Analysis.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB 190 Supporting Document Hawaii EPC Fact Sheet.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB 190 Supporting Documents DOTPF Energy Efficiency Projects.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB 190 ESPC PowerPoint.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB 190 Supporting Documents State ESPC Policies.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB 190 Supporting Documents School Energy Costs.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
HB 1 Version RA.PDF SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 1
HB 1 Sponsor Statement.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 1
HB 1 Memo of Changes.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 1
HB 1 Supporting Document-Voting Information and Statistics.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 1
HB 1 Support Letters.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 1
HB 1 Fiscal Note.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 1
HB 7 Version J.PDF SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Sponsor Statement.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Summary of Changes.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Sectional Analysis ver J.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Supporting Document-Article Columbia University.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Supporting Document-Article Denver Post.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Supporting Document-Article Washington Post.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Support Material Testimonies.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 7 Fiscal Note.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 7
HB 235 Version J.PDF SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
HB 235 Sponsor Statement.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
HB 235 Summary of Changes.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
HB 235 Supporting Document - NCSL Awards for Law Enforcement or First Responders.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
HB 235 Officer Down Memorial Pages.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
HB 235 Letters of Support.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
HB 235 Fiscal Note.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
HB 235 Venn Diagram AK Medal for Heroism North Star Medal.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SSTA 4/17/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 235
SB 190 Fiscal Note.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
SB 190 Updated Fiscal Note.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
SB 190
HB 1 Sectional Analysis ver R.A.pdf SSTA 4/10/2018 3:30:00 PM
HB 1