Legislature(2001 - 2002)

05/07/2002 03:50 PM STA

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                    
                 SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE                                                                               
                           May 7, 2002                                                                                          
                            3:50 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Senator Gene Therriault, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Randy Phillips, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Public Offices Commission                                                                                         
          John Dapcevich                                                                                                      
          Sheila Gallagher                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska National Guard                                                                                                    
          Colonel James K. Robinson                                                                                           
          Colonel Timothy W. Scott                                                                                              
          Colonel Gene L. Ramsay                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Space and Missile Defense                                                                                                
          Colonel James L. Welch                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Human Rights Commission                                                                                                  
          Kathy Keisor Wisthoff                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 526                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the deadline for filing financial disclosure                                                                
statements for public members and public member nominees of the                                                                 
Select Committee on Legislative Ethics."                                                                                        
     MOVED HB 526 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 517(STA)                                                                                                  
"An Act relating to the disposition of obsolete or surplus state                                                                
property."                                                                                                                      
     MOVED CSHB 517(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 312(CRA)                                                                                                 
"An Act relating to enterprise zones."                                                                                          
     MOVED CS SB 312 (CRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 165(RES)                                                                                                  
"An Act relating to the Kenai River Special Management Area; and                                                                
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     MOVED SCS CHHB 165(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB 526 - No previous action to record.                                                                                          
HB 517 - No previous action to record.                                                                                          
SB 312 - See CRA minutes dated 3/27/02 and 5/3/02.                                                                              
HB 165 - See State Affairs minutes dated 5/2/02.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
John Dapcevich                                                                                                                  
No address provided                                                                                                             
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: APOC confirmation nominee                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Sheila Gallagher                                                                                                                
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  APOC confirmation nominee                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Colonel James K. Robinson                                                                                                       
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Alaska National Guard confirmation nominee                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Colonel Timothy W. Scott                                                                                                        
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Alaska National Guard confirmation nominee                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Colonel Gene L. Ramsay                                                                                                          
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Alaska National Guard confirmation nominee                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Colonel James L. Welch                                                                                                          
No address provided                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Space & Missile Defense confirmation nominee                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Major General Phil Oates                                                                                                        
Adjutant General/Commissioner                                                                                                   
Department of Military &                                                                                                        
  Veterans Affairs                                                                                                              
PO Box 5800                                                                                                                     
Ft Richardson, AK  99505-0800                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on Alaska Air National Guard                                                                   
confirmations                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Tom Wright                                                                                                                      
Staff to Representative Brian Porter                                                                                            
Alaska State Capitol, Room 208                                                                                                  
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Joyce Anderson, Administrator                                                                                                   
Ethics Committee                                                                                                                
P.O. Box 101468                                                                                                                 
 Anchorage, AK 99510-1468                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 526                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Bill Lawrence                                                                                                                   
Staff to Representative Carl Morgan                                                                                             
Alaska State Capitol, Room 434                                                                                                  
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 517                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Chris Parce                                                                                                                     
Director of General Services                                                                                                    
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
PO Box 110200                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0200                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 517                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Zach Warwick                                                                                                                    
Staff to Senator Gene Therriault                                                                                                
Alaska State Capitol, Room 121                                                                                                  
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced SB 312                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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CHAIRMAN  GENE   THERRIAULT  called   the  Senate  State   Affairs                                                            
Committee  meeting to  order at  3:50 p.m.  Present were  Senators                                                              
Phillips, Stevens and Chairman Therriault.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He announced Governor's Confirmations  would be the first order of                                                              
business. Information on the individuals  up for consideration was                                                              
in  member's packets.  If there  were no  problems, members  would                                                              
sign a  letter to forward  the names  to the full Legislature  for                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   DAPCEVICH,   Alaska  Public   Offices   Commission   (APOC)                                                              
appointee,  said he  has  served every  elected  Governor on  many                                                              
boards, commissions and committees  since statehood. He served six                                                              
terms as  mayor in Sitka  and on their  borough assembly  and city                                                              
council. He  was appointed to APOC  one year ago for  an unexpired                                                              
term that  expired this year and  the Governor submitted  his name                                                              
for reappointment.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked how many  times the commission met since                                                              
he was asked to serve.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAPCEVICH replied they had four  face-to-face meetings and two                                                              
teleconferenced meetings.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked for the term of the appointment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAPCEVICH replied this was a five year term.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  announced  the  next  appointee  was  Sheila                                                              
Gallagher  and she was  not available  on short  notice. He  asked                                                              
members  whether  they'd had  the  opportunity  to look  over  her                                                              
background information  and if there  was any desire to  carry her                                                              
name forward  to a future meeting  when she could be  available to                                                              
answer questions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  whether hers  was a new  appointment  or a                                                              
reappointment.  He also asked  what the  appointment term  was and                                                              
the total number of APOC directors.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said Ms. Gallagher's was a  reappointment for                                                              
a five year term and there are five appointed APOC members.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked how many positions  were up for appointment.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT said Mr. Dapcevich  and Ms. Gallagher were the                                                              
two APOC appointments.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a motion to  forward a letter to  the joint                                                              
Legislature stating no objection  to the APOC appointments of John                                                              
Dapcevich and Sheila Gallagher.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said the  Alaska National Guard  appointments                                                              
would be  considered next. He asked  Colonel James K.  Robinson if                                                              
there  was anything  he  would like  to  add to  his  biographical                                                              
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL  JAMES K. ROBINSON  testified via  teleconference  that he                                                              
has been in the  Alaska Air National Guard for about  24 years and                                                              
has attained  the rank  of Colonel.  He currently  works with  the                                                              
Adjutant  General, Major  General Phil  Oates as  the director  of                                                              
operations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked for the term of the appointment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  PHIL OATES, Adjutant General/Commissioner  with the                                                              
Department   of   Military   &  Veterans   Affairs,   said   these                                                              
appointments are  indefinite. Every general officer  in the Alaska                                                              
National  Guard  must receive  confirmation  from  both the  state                                                              
Legislature and the U.S. Congress.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS asked  whether the  four  individuals were  being                                                              
nominated as general officers.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL  OATES said  he  was  changing  the process  a  bit                                                              
because  they require  both state  and  national confirmation.  He                                                              
wanted  to  establish  the  process   whereby  everyone  would  be                                                              
confirmed  on the state  level first  and then  go on for  federal                                                              
confirmation.  He chose this  order because federal  confirmations                                                              
take more than  a year and he  didn't want to wait that  long then                                                              
find an appointment might not be acceptable on the state level.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked how many general  officers there were in the                                                              
Alaska National Guard.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL OATES replied there are six counting himself.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  noted  four  of  the six  offices  were  up  for                                                              
confirmation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL OATES  said, assuming he is confirmed,  Colonel Gene                                                              
Ramsay  will  have his  change  of command  for  the  176 Wing  at                                                              
Eielson Air Force Base in July. Colonel  Tim Scott will be groomed                                                              
to replace  Colonel  Ramsay and assuming  he is  confirmed  at the                                                              
state level,  his name  will be  submitted at  the federal  level.                                                              
"Three of  these will  actually be  going directly into  positions                                                              
and the fourth will be the next in line."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL  OATES  said  Colonel  Robinson  is  a  traditional                                                              
guardsman, which means  he participates in National  Guard work on                                                              
a part  time basis  and at  the same  time is  a pilot for  Alaska                                                              
Airlines.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  announced Colonel  Timothy W. Scott  was next                                                              
on the confirmation list and he was unable to attend.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL  OATES  said he was  currently deployed  and  is the                                                              
                     th                                                                                                         
Base. He  was a War  College graduate and  he put four  tankers in                                                              
the air on  no notice and  handled all the aero  refueling support                                                              
in Alaska on September 11, 2001.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There were no questions from committee members.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT announced Colonel  Gene L. Ramsay was the next                                                              
on the confirmation list. He asked  if there was anything he would                                                              
like to add to his biographical information.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL GENE  L. RAMSAY testified  via teleconference that  he was                                                              
                          th                                                                                                    
ready to take over the 176Wing    at Kulis Air National Guard Base                                                              
at the Anchorage  International Airport.  They  are generally busy                                                              
rescuing Alaskans and have been particularly  busy since September                                                              
11, 2001. He received federal confirmation  on September 26, 2001.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
There were no questions from committee members.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  GENERAL  OATES  added  that Colonel  Ramsay  is  the  Vice-                                                              
Commander of  the Wing and is  well prepared to assume  command of                                                              
the Wing based on the quality of his past performances.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a  motion and  asked unanimous consent  for                                                              
the Alaska Air National Guard nominees,  Colonel Robinson, Colonel                                                              
Scott and Colonel Ramsay to be forwarded with no objections.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT announced Space  and Missile Defense Brigadier                                                              
General, Colonel James  L. Welch, Retired would  be considered. He                                                              
asked  if  there  was  anything  he  would  like  to  add  to  his                                                              
biographical information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COLONEL JAMES  L. WELCH testified  via teleconference  and pointed                                                              
out that  this was a new  position for the  State of Alaska  and a                                                              
unique  position throughout  the  country. It  is a  key role  and                                                              
shows that Alaska  is ready to assume its role to  ensure that the                                                              
Alaska National Guard is ready to assume its role.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR GENERAL OATES  added Colonel Welch brings  a strong industry                                                              
background in large project management  from his work with British                                                              
Petroleum  and the  oil  industry. That  in  combination with  his                                                              
strong military background made him an excellent choice.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
There were no questions from committee members.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS made a motion to  forward Colonel Welch's name to                                                              
the joint Legislature for confirmation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  announced   Kathy  Keisor  Wisthoff  as  the                                                              
confirmation  nominee from  the Human  Rights Commission.  Because                                                              
she was unable to attend the meeting,  he asked if members had any                                                              
desire to hold  her name until she  could attend. If there  was no                                                              
objection he asked for a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS   made  a  motion  to  recommend   Human  Rights                                                              
Commission   nominee,   Kathy  Keisor   Wisthoff,   to  the   full                                                              
Legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 526-DISCLOSURE BY ETHICS COMMITTEE MEMBERS                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
TOM WRIGHT,  staff to Representative  Brian Porter, said  the bill                                                              
was introduced on  behalf of the Legislative Ethics  Committee. It                                                              
requires the  public nominee to the  Ethics Committee to  file his                                                              
or her  financial disclosure  on  or before the  second Monday  of                                                              
January.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  if it  was an issue  of disclosure  in                                                              
general or the timing of the disclosure.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WRIGHT replied it was the timing  of the disclosure. There was                                                              
a nominee  who went through  the process  then found out  how much                                                              
financial  information  had to  be  disclosed and  withdrew.  With                                                              
passage  of this  legislation,  they  would know  beforehand  what                                                              
would be required of them as far  as financial disclosure. It also                                                              
gives  Legislators  an  opportunity   to  look  at  the  financial                                                              
information disclosed by that person  along with their resume when                                                              
they are looking at confirmation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JOYCE ANDERSON,  Ethics Committee  Administrator, said  the Ethics                                                              
Committee  thought this  was  a good  change  to  the ethics  code                                                              
because  of their  experience  with the  nominee  that Mr.  Wright                                                              
mentioned.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
There were no questions and no further testimony.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  said  he  had  not  prepared  a  CS  and  no                                                              
amendments were offered. There was  one zero fiscal note. He asked                                                              
for the will of the committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS made a motion to  move HB 526 and attached fiscal                                                              
note from committee with individual recommendations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
             HB 517-SURPLUS/OBSOLETE STATE PROPERTY                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
BILL LAWRENCE, staff to Representative  Carl Morgan, introduced HB
517 as  a bill  to fix  a problem dealing  with surplus  property.                                                              
Specifically, it was  written to address surplus  fax machines and                                                              
require that  all electronic identifiers  be removed before  a fax                                                              
machine  is  sent  to  surplus.  There  are  instances  where  the                                                              
electronic identifiers  have not been  removed so they  decided it                                                              
would  be  in  the  best  interest  of  the  state  to  place  the                                                              
requirement  in  statute.  It  will   prevent  the  appearance  of                                                              
impropriety and  should prevent a party from  intentionally faxing                                                              
material  identified as  from  the State  of  Alaska. Federal  law                                                              
requires that all faxes be identified  with a phone number and the                                                              
name  of  the sender.  When  the  state  surpluses a  machine  all                                                              
headers  should be  removed  so the  new  owner  receives a  clean                                                              
machine.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked why the  owner's manuals aren't with the                                                              
machines when they go to surplus.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  PARCE, Director  of  General  Services, replied  the  state                                                              
doesn't generally buy owner's manuals  to go with all the machines                                                              
because they are  expensive. Most machines the state  buys are put                                                              
onto servers, which are networked  to serve multiple stations, and                                                              
they  don't  come with  full  manuals,  just basic  "cheat  sheet"                                                              
instructions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS asked if this couldn't be done internally.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  PARCE said  they do  this internally.  They  have a  property                                                              
control handbook  that instructs employees to remove  all programs                                                              
and accompanying data, and delete all headers.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS interjected, "Then why are we here."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. PARCE replied  she didn't know who introduced  the bill. Their                                                              
surplus  handbook instructs  employees  to  remove the  electronic                                                              
headers from  machines before  they are sent  to surplus  but they                                                              
don't always  follow all the rules.  She said it  probably doesn't                                                              
hurt for this to be a law.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  didn't think individuals  that don't  follow the                                                              
rules could be expected to follow the law.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  said  it  probably   doesn't  hurt,  but  he                                                              
understood his questions.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS commented this constitutes minutia management.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT noted  the one  zero fiscal  note. He  had no                                                              
prepared CS  and there  were no amendments  offered. He  asked for                                                              
the will of the committee.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS made  a motion to move HB 517  and attached fiscal                                                              
note from committee with individual recommendations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                     SB 312-ENTERPRISE ZONES                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
ZACH WARWICK, staff to the bill sponsor,  Senator Gene Therriault,                                                              
explained that  SB 312  authorizes the Governor  to declare  up to                                                              
four areas  of the  state as  enterprise zones  every year.  Zones                                                              
would be designated due to economic  distress and each designation                                                              
could  last up  to 20  years. This  is designed  to encourage  and                                                              
authorize  local municipalities  to  offer  incentives within  the                                                              
zone. Such incentives could include  a reduction of permit or user                                                              
fees, credit toward exemptions in  property taxes, and flexibility                                                              
in  regulations  such as  zoning,  leasing  or sale  of  municipal                                                              
properties.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There  are  two state  incentives  that  are included.  First,  15                                                              
percent of  the initial investment  put into the area  would count                                                              
as  credit toward  state  corporate income  taxes  for that  first                                                              
year. The credit  may not be carried forward.  Second, there would                                                              
be a  $500.00 corporate  income tax credit  for each  new employee                                                              
hired every year.  One of the major reasons behind  the bill is to                                                              
help  communities to  produce proposals  and  qualify for  federal                                                              
grants and  federal tax  credits that are  offered by  HUD (Health                                                              
and Urban Development) and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
There were amendments  made in the Community and  Regional Affairs                                                              
Committee to make the language clear.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said there was language that  was problematic                                                              
in  terms  of   whether  the  federal  government   or  the  state                                                              
government  acted  first.  He  asked  whether  that  language  was                                                              
clarified.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WARWICK said  that  language was  deleted.  The second  issue                                                              
dealt with cities within a borough.  Original language said a city                                                              
within  a borough  is  not  eligible to  make  a proposal  for  an                                                              
enterprise  zone, which  would exempt  many of  the cities  in the                                                              
state. The  third amendment was  to change the  language regarding                                                              
size  of  the  areas  that  would   be  called  enterprise  zones.                                                              
Originally the areas  were census tracts, which is  about a 10,000                                                              
person  area. That was  changed to  one or  more continuous  block                                                              
groups in  the U.S. census or  a compact geographic  area. Senator                                                              
Lincoln requested  that change because original  language excluded                                                              
rural Alaska.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  whether  there were  any other  issues                                                              
brought up that were not addressed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. WARWICK replied all issues were addressed.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
There was no further testimony.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  said  he  had no  prepared  CS  and  members                                                              
offered no amendments.  There were two fiscal notes.  He asked for                                                              
the will of the committee.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a  motion to move  SB 312 and  accompanying                                                              
fiscal  notes  from  committee  with  individual  recommendations.                                                              
There being on objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
           HB 165-KENAI RIVER SPECIAL MANAGEMENT AREA                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked Representative  Lancaster whether he had                                                              
gotten together  with Senator Halford  because he had  concerns he                                                              
wanted to  address, but  he was unable  to attend the  meeting. He                                                              
noted Senator Halford is on the Resources  Committee, which is the                                                              
next committee of  referral. There was a proposed  CS that reduces                                                              
the acreage.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked whether  the CS  triggered a  change in                                                              
the fiscal notes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KEN  LANCASTER, bill sponsor, replied  there was no                                                              
fiscal note he was aware of. [Zero fiscal notes.]                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS asked  whether all the  legal descriptions  were                                                              
correct to the best of his knowledge.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LANCASTER   replied  all  the   descriptions  were                                                              
checked and checked again.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
 CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said they had the \J proposed  CS and needed                                                              
to adopt it as the working document.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  made a  motion to  move committee substitute  \J                                                              
5/1/02  version of  SCS  CSHB 165(STA)  as  the working  document.                                                              
There being no objection, it was  adopted as the working document.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS made  a  motion  to move  SCS  CSHB 165(STA)  \J                                                              
version  dated 5/1/02  and attached  fiscal  notes from  committee                                                              
with individual recommendations.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the committee,  the Senate                                                              
State Affairs Committee meeting was adjourned at 4:35 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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