Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/30/2002 03:40 PM STA

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                    
                 SENATE STATE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE                                                                               
                         April 30, 2002                                                                                         
                            3:40 p.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gene Therriault, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Randy Phillips, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Ben Stevens                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Rick Halford                                                                                                            
Senator Bettye Davis                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 305(STA) am                                                                                               
"An Act prohibiting  certain state employment, a  student loan, or                                                              
a permanent fund  dividend for a person who fails  to register for                                                              
the military  selective  service; and providing  for an  effective                                                              
date."                                                                                                                          
     MOVED SCSHB 305(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 509(STA)                                                                                                  
"An Act relating to Alaska children's trust registration plates;                                                                
and providing for an effective date."                                                                                           
     HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 33                                                                                             
Relating to Ovarian Cancer Awareness Month.                                                                                     
     MOVED SCR 33 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 458                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to periods of probation for state employees; and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
     MOVED HB 458 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB 305 - See State Affairs minutes dated 4/25/02.                                                                               
HB 509 - No previous action to record.                                                                                          
SCR 33 - No previous action to record.                                                                                          
HB 458 - No previous action to record.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Colleen Shaub                                                                                                                   
Aide to Representative Lisa Murkowski                                                                                           
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 305.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Amy Erickson                                                                                                                    
Aide to Representative Lisa Murkowski                                                                                           
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 509.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Charles Hosack                                                                                                                  
Deputy Director                                                                                                                 
Division of Motor Vehicles                                                                                                      
Department of Administration                                                                                                    
PO Box 110200                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0200                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 509.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Shari Paul                                                                                                                      
Project Coordinator                                                                                                             
Children's Trust                                                                                                                
Department of Education & Early Development                                                                                     
        th                                                                                                                      
801 W 10 St.                                                                                                                    
Juneau, AK  99801-1894                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 509.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Geran Tarr                                                                                                                      
Aide to Senator Johnny Ellis                                                                                                    
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced SCR 33.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Deb Donoho                                                                                                                      
Alaska Chapter of the National Ovarian Cancer Coalition                                                                         
No address given                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SCR 33.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Kim Sexton                                                                                                                      
Alaska Chapter of the National Ovarian Cancer Coalition                                                                         
No address given                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SCR 33.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Melanie Lesh                                                                                                                    
Aide to Representative Bill Hudson                                                                                              
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK  99801-1182                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 458.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 02-26, SIDE A                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CHAIRMAN  GENE   THERRIAULT  called   the  Senate  State   Affairs                                                            
Committee meeting  to order  at 3:40 p.m.   Present were  Senators                                                              
Stevens, Phillips and Chairman Therriault.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The first order of business before the committee was HB 305.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
           HB 305-NONCOMPLIANCE WITH SELECTIVE SERVICE                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said there was a committee  substitute for HB                                                              
305 in front of  the committee.  Sec. 1, which  was the title, was                                                              
deleted.  This incorporated  Amendment #2.  On page  4, a new Sec.                                                              
2 was  added,  incorporating Amendment  #1, ensuring  that HB  305                                                              
would also apply  to new statute that hadn't gone  into effect yet                                                              
regarding the Alaska  Student Loan program.  At the  top of page 4                                                              
and  throughout  the   bill,  the  language  "or   has  come  into                                                              
compliance  within 30  days of  being  notified of  their lack  of                                                              
compliance" was deleted.   Sec. 7 added a separate  effective date                                                              
for  the Alaska  Student Loan  sections  of the  bill because  the                                                              
Alaska Commission  on Postsecondary Education wanted  HB 305 to go                                                              
into  effect in  July  and the  Permanent  Fund Dividend  Division                                                              
wanted it to go into effect at the end of the year.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He asked for  a motion to accept  the \O version of HB  305 as the                                                              
working document.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  moved the  \O version  of HB  305 as the  working                                                              
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, the \O  version of HB 305 was adopted as                                                              
the working document.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked if  the sponsor  had any problems  with                                                              
the changes in the CS.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COLLEEN SHAUB,  Aide to Representative Lisa Murkowski,  sponsor of                                                              
HB 305, said there were none.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT   noted  the   zero  fiscal  note   from  the                                                              
Department of  Revenue.  He believed  the CS would not  change the                                                              
fiscal note.   He  asked if there  were any  other issues  to come                                                              
before the  committee on HB  305.  There were  not.  He  asked for                                                              
the will of the committee.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS  moved  SCSHB  305(STA)  out  of  committee  with                                                              
attached zero fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  objection,  SCSHB  305(STA)  was  moved  out  of                                                              
committee    with   attached    fiscal    note   and    individual                                                              
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The next order of business was HB 509.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          HB 509-ALASKA CHILDREN'S TRUST LICENSE PLATES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
AMY ERICKSON, Aide to Representative  Lisa Murkowski and the House                                                              
Labor and Commerce Committee, read  the following from the sponsor                                                              
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 509 makes one minor  change to Alaska statute                                                                   
     to  allow the Alaska  Children's Trust  (ACT) to  market                                                                   
     Alaska  Children's Trust  license  plates to  commercial                                                                   
     motor  vehicle  owners.   Current  Alaska  statute  only                                                                   
     allows  owners of  noncommercial vehicles  to apply  for                                                                   
     and purchase ACT license plates.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     This  small  change  will allow  the  Alaska  Children's                                                                   
     Trust to respond positively  to requests by industry and                                                                   
     private  business  to purchase  ACT license  plates  for                                                                   
     fleet  vehicles and  to market  sales  to an  additional                                                                   
     56,500  vehicle  owners  who  support  the  mission  and                                                                   
     activities  of the  Alaska Children's  Trust.  The  $100                                                                   
     one-time fee could increase  the trust by $5,650,000 for                                                                   
     the prevention of child abuse and neglect.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The  Alaska  Children's  Trust   is  a  savings  account                                                                   
     dedicated  to funding  community-initiated  projects  to                                                                   
     eliminate child  abuse and neglect.   The trust's  funds                                                                   
     grow through  gifts, bequests, corporate  and individual                                                                   
     contributions,   legislative   appropriations,   federal                                                                   
     funds,  and   sales  of  heirloom  marriage   and  birth                                                                   
     certificates  as   well  as  children's   trust  license                                                                   
     plates.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON  said passage  of HB 305  would expand ACT's  savings                                                              
account  and improve  their ability  to advance  the projects  and                                                              
missions of ACT.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked if there  was any discussion  about why                                                              
the original statute did not include commercial vehicles.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON  said Representative Bunde  brought that up  and Mary                                                              
Marshburn,  Director  of the  Division  of Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                              
suggested  there wasn't  much demand  for it.   Ms. Marshburn  was                                                              
also concerned  that opening  the plates  for commercial  vehicles                                                              
would  cost  DMV  $30,000  to $50,000  to  change  their  computer                                                              
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked if she said that at the time.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON said Ms. Marshburn said that recently.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  asked if  that was given  as a reason  at the                                                              
time of the original legislation.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON said she may have misunderstood his question.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked if there were any further questions.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said  he was concerned about  offering ACT plates                                                              
to commercial vehicles.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT said  he and Senator  Phillips had  discussed                                                              
opening the plates  up to vanity plates.  HB 509  does not include                                                              
vanity plates.  It only includes the ACT plates.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ERICKSON said  she was  talking  about the  vanity plates  as                                                              
well.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS  asked if only  the standard plates  were offered                                                              
to commercial  vehicles or if DMV  offered a variety of  plates to                                                              
commercial  vehicles, such  as the  veterans'  plates, the  Purple                                                              
Heart plates or the Pearl Harbor plates.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES  HOSACK,   Deputy  Director  of  the  Division   of  Motor                                                              
Vehicles, Department of Administration, said they did not.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said he had a problem with that.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked if DMV had a problem with HB 509.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOSACK  said they did not.   They believed the  proceeds would                                                              
go to a worthwhile cause.  He said  it would cause a small problem                                                              
with the way  DMV's computer system  is set up.  In the  past year                                                              
and a half to  two years, DMV issued about 275  ACT plates.  Based                                                              
on those numbers,  they didn't think there would  be a huge influx                                                              
of  requests for  the plates.   They  were willing  to accept  the                                                              
problems  of keeping  their  computer system  straight.   He  said                                                              
DMV's  only concern  was  the talk  about  opening the  commercial                                                              
option up  to other specialty  plates.   In that case,  they would                                                              
have to restructure  their computer system because a  lot of their                                                              
statistical  information is  based  on the  fees for  the type  of                                                              
license plate a vehicle has.  Commercial  vehicles are lumped into                                                              
four  categories   for  different  weights.     For  noncommercial                                                              
vehicles,  you  can  get vanity  plates,  veterans'  plate,  Pearl                                                              
Harbor plates,  etc.   He said  DMV has  about 60 different  class                                                              
codes for noncommercial  vehicles.  They were hoping  to keep that                                                              
from spreading to commercial vehicles.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS said  if it  was going  to be done  for one,  it                                                              
ought to  be done for all,  or it should  be done for none.   He's                                                              
concerned that in the future there  will be others wanting to have                                                              
the same thing done for their cause.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT said with the  exception of University plates,                                                              
the  extra revenue  from the  sales of  the other  plates such  as                                                              
veterans'  plates  and  Pearl  Harbor  plates goes  to  the  state                                                              
treasury.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOSACK said  that  was correct.   The  revenue  from ACT  and                                                              
University plates is identified separately  in DMV's system so the                                                              
Legislature can appropriate the funds.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said the veterans  wouldn't be likely  to ask                                                              
the  Legislature  to  have their  plates  on  commercial  vehicles                                                              
because  they  don't derive  any  revenue  from  the sale  of  the                                                              
plates.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOSACK  said he hoped not.   He said  he had not heard  of any                                                              
such movement.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked about the University.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOSACK  said he had not  heard anything about  the University.                                                              
He said the reason  the law was written to include  only passenger                                                              
vehicles is because the language  was copied from the statutes for                                                              
other  personalized   plates,   all  of   which  are  limited   to                                                              
noncommercial vehicles.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS asked how many University  plates had been issued.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOSACK said  there are four different University  plates.  The                                                              
University of  Alaska Fairbanks has  the most plates  with between                                                              
300 and  400 plates.   The  University of  Alaska Anchorage  has a                                                              
little over  100 plates.  The  University of Alaska  Southeast has                                                              
about 20 and the Prince William Sound  Community College has about                                                              
five or six.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEVENS   asked  if   it  was   discussed  to   open  the                                                              
noncommercial option  for plates to  the University since  ACT and                                                              
the University  were the  only two  license plates with  dedicated                                                              
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. ERICKSON said it had not been discussed.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOSACK said he was not aware of it being discussed.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said if it was opened  up to one charity, it ought                                                              
to be opened up for the other.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said in the future  the veterans might want to do                                                              
the same thing to build a memorial.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  said the Legislature  just passed a bill  to that                                                              
effect.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said they could  ask for something similar funded                                                              
by license plates.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS said they would have  to go through the process of                                                              
getting it approved by the Legislature again.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said that was the problem.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said it would take further  legislation to do                                                              
that.   He asked Mr. Hosack  if he had  any further comments.   He                                                              
did not.  He asked if there was anybody  present who would like to                                                              
testify on HB 509.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SHARI PAUL, Project Coordinator of  the Children's Trust, said she                                                              
was there to answer questions.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT asked for the current balance of the ACT.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. PAUL said it was about $9.6 million.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT said  he had not prepared a CS  to HB 509.  He                                                              
asked if there were any amendments.   He noted the bill would also                                                              
be referred  to finance because  it had a  small fiscal note.   He                                                              
asked for the will of the committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS moved  Amendment #1 to  delete "commercial  and"                                                              
from page 1, line 6.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS withdrew Amendment #1.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT   asked  Senator  Phillips  if   it  was  his                                                              
intention to oppose HB 509.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said it was.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT said  the  bill would  be  held in  committee                                                              
because there were not enough votes to move it out of committee.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 509(STA) was held in committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The next order of business was SCR 33.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
              SCR 33-OVARIAN CANCER AWARENESS MONTH                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
GERAN  TARR, Aide  to  Senator Johnny  Ellis,  said SCR  33 was  a                                                              
simple  resolution   recognizing   September  as  Ovarian   Cancer                                                              
Awareness Month.   In August  of 2000,  Kim Sexton and  Deb Donoho                                                              
formed  the  Alaska   Chapter  of  the  National   Ovarian  Cancer                                                              
Coalition  (NOCC),  hoping  to  be able  to  educate  women  about                                                              
ovarian cancer,  which is  often diagnosed too  late.   They hoped                                                              
that by having Ovarian Cancer Awareness  Month, they would be able                                                              
to get  the message to women  about screening opportunities.   She                                                              
said there  is not a comprehensive  screening program  for ovarian                                                              
cancer like  there is for  breast cancer.   She said the  rates of                                                              
ovarian cancer  are rising  dramatically.   The Alaska  Chapter of                                                              
NOCC  was trying  to encourage  women to  consider ovarian  cancer                                                              
earlier rather  than after they've  ruled out all  other potential                                                              
health problems.   She noted the following bullet  points from the                                                              
sponsor statement:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        · In the United States, more women die of ovarian                                                                       
          cancer each year than of cervical and endometrial                                                                     
          cancers combined.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        · Early detection is the key to survival; if the                                                                        
          cancer is diagnosed while confined to the ovary                                                                       
          the five-year survival rate reaches 93% on                                                                            
          average.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. TARR  said the Anchorage  Assembly passed resolutions  and the                                                              
Governor  made  proclamations  recognizing  September  as  Ovarian                                                              
Cancer Awareness Month for a couple  of years.  She said there was                                                              
a national  campaign to  pass resolutions permanently  recognizing                                                              
September as Ovarian Cancer Awareness Month.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEB DONOHO, Alaska  Chapter of NOCC, said SCR 33  was important to                                                              
them because we  need to educate women of the  symptoms of ovarian                                                              
cancer.   She said Ovarian Cancer  Awareness Month would  be a way                                                              
to get their attention.  She said  if women knew what the symptoms                                                              
are, they could check for ovarian  cancer in the beginning instead                                                              
of waiting until everything else was ruled out.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  if there  were any  questions.   There                                                              
were not.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KIM SEXTON, Alaska Chapter of NOCC,  said before she was diagnosed                                                              
with ovarian  cancer, she  had never  heard of  the disease.   She                                                              
said they  did a women's  show in  Anchorage the previous  weekend                                                              
and she was alarmed  at the amount of women that  they educated on                                                              
the fact  that a  pap smear  doesn't detect  ovarian cancer.   She                                                              
said women don't know about the disease and need to be educated.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT asked  if there  were any  questions.   There                                                              
were none.   He noted the zero  fiscal note attached to  the bill.                                                              
He said  he had not  prepared a  CS.  He asked  if there  were any                                                              
amendments.   There  were  not.   He  asked for  the  will of  the                                                              
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS moved SCR 33 from  committee with attached fiscal                                                              
note and individual recommendations.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being  no objection,  SCR 33 was  moved from committee  with                                                              
attached fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The final order of business was HB 458.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
            HB 458-STATE EMPLOYEE PROBATIONARY PERIOD                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MELANIE LESH,  Aide to Representative  Bill Hudson, sponsor  of HB                                                              
458, said HB 458  was a change to the state  personnel statutes in                                                              
AS 39.25.150.   It would allow  for the extension  of probationary                                                              
periods that are currently limited  to 12 months when an agreement                                                              
has been collectively bargained.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  asked  if she  heard  anything  in  previous                                                              
testimony  on HB  458  that would  indicate  why the  probationary                                                              
period was  set at  12 months  and the  flexibility was  not built                                                              
into the law.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LESH  said Dave Stewart,  Personnel Manager at  the Department                                                              
of  Administration, talked  about  the Police  Standards  Council,                                                              
which has  a 14-month  probationary  period.   She said there  was                                                              
also a court case that suggested  that the Legislature look at the                                                              
statutory  limitation  because it  doesn't  allow for  exceptions.                                                              
For instance, she  said if someone in the  police-training program                                                              
were injured,  they would  have to  be let  go after the  12-month                                                              
probationary  period because  they  would  automatically become  a                                                              
permanent employee.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS asked what case that was.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. LESH  said the court  case did  not involve police  standards.                                                              
The case was Baseden vs. State of Alaska.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS asked if the case was in Juneau or Anchorage.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LESH believed  the case had initiated  in Juneau.   She said a                                                              
person  was told  by  the  State they  would  like  to extend  his                                                              
probationary period  and he was given  advice by the  Alaska State                                                              
Employees  Association  that  he   was  a  probationary  employee.                                                              
However, he was automatically a permanent  employee because of the                                                              
statutory limitation.   He took a  course of action and  the court                                                              
ruled he  was a permanent employee  and other avenues  of recourse                                                              
were available.   She  said it  was confusion  over the  statutory                                                              
limit that put him and the State in that position.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN  THERRIAULT  asked  if  there  were  any  questions  from                                                              
committee members.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS wondered  if the confusion  over state  statutes                                                              
was only when a lawyer made it that way.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said eventually  the courts had  to interpret                                                              
the law.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PHILLIPS wondered  how much  the case  cost the State  of                                                              
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. LESH didn't believe the case had been resolved.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PHILLIPS said  in that case it would still  be using State                                                              
moneys.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  said, "The process of governing  ourselves as                                                              
a society  is expensive  and cumbersome."   He asked if  there was                                                              
any opposition to the bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  LESH said  there had  not been  any.   She said  there was  a                                                              
question  in  the House  State  Affairs  Committee about  who  was                                                              
excluded.   She said the people  who were excluded were  those who                                                              
were  not  represented,  those  being  legislative  employees  and                                                              
appointees, who don't have probationary periods.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN THERRIAULT  noted the zero fiscal  note.  He said  he had                                                              
not prepared a CS.  He asked if there  were any amendments.  There                                                              
were none.  He asked for the will of the committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  moved HB  458 from  committee with attached  zero                                                              
fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being  no objection,  HB 458 was  moved from committee  with                                                              
attached fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the committee,  the Senate                                                              
State Affairs Committee meeting was adjourned at 4:05 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                

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