Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/17/1993 09:05 AM STA

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                      SENATE STATE AFFAIRS                                     
                        February 17, 1993                                      
                            9:05 a.m.                                          
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Loren Leman, Chairman                                                
  Senator Mike Miller, Vice Chairman                                           
  Senator Robin Taylor                                                         
  Senator Jim Duncan                                                           
  Senator Johnny Ellis                                                         
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
  All Present                                                                  
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 84                                                           
  "An  Act  relating  to  fees  for identification  cards  and                 
  certain  motor  vehicle  licenses and  permits;  to licenses                 
  issued to drivers and  to revocation of a license  to drive;                 
  and providing for an effective date."                                        
                                                                               
  HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 6                                            
  Relating to Armed Forces History Month.                                      
                                                                               
  SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 19                                               
  Requesting the United States Air Force to  rename Shemya Air                 
  Force Base to Eareckson Air Force Base.                                      
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 79                                                           
  "An  Act  setting  termination  dates  for  various  boards,                 
  commissions, councils, agencies,  committees, and  divisions                 
  of state government; repealing obsolete statutes relating to                 
  the  State  Fire  Commission  and  the Board  of  Electrical                 
  Examiners;   repealing   obsolete   statutes   relating   to                 
  termination of agency programs and activities; increasing to                 
  10 years  the normal maximum interval for  review of boards,                 
  commissions, and other  entities that are subject  to sunset                 
  reviews; and providing for an effective date."                               
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 80                                                           
  "An Act eliminating,  consolidating, changing the membership                 
  requirements  of, and  transferring  the duties  of  various                 
  boards,   commissions,   councils,    panels,   authorities,                 
  corporations,  foundations, and  similar  entities of  state                 
  government; and providing for an effective date."                            
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 26                                                           
  "An Act relating  to the  location of the  convening of  the                 
  legislature  in  regular  session;  and  providing  for   an                 
  effective date."                                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
  SB 84 - No previous action to record.                                        
                                                                               
  HCR 6 - No previous action to record.                                        
                                                                               
  SB 79 - See State Affairs minutes dated 2/10/93.                             
                                                                               
  SB 80 - See State Affairs minutes dated 2/10/93.                             
                                                                               
  SB 26 - See Community & Regional Affairs minutes dated                       
          1/28/93, 2/4/93, and 2/9/93.                                         
                                                                               
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
                                                                               
  Joshua Fink, Staff                                                           
  Senator Tim Kelly                                                            
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor of SB 84.                                       
                                                                               
  Phillip Simon                                                                
  Anchorage Restaurant and Beverage Association                                
  1154 Tonga                                                                   
  Anchorage, Alaska 99507                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 84.                                        
                                                                               
  Don Skewis                                                                   
  1402 Gambel                                                                  
  Anchorage, Alaska 99501                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 84.                                        
                                                                               
  Carol Wilson                                                                 
  P.O. Box 104839                                                              
  Anchorage, Alaska 99510                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 84.                                        
                                                                               
  Jack Phelps, Staff                                                           
  Representative Pete Kott                                                     
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-1182                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor HCR 6.                                          
                                                                               
  Kristie Leaf, Deputy Director                                                
  Boards and Commissions                                                       
  Office of the Governor                                                       
  P.O. Box 110001                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska 99811-0001                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SB 79 and SB 80.                           
                                                                               
  Terry Lauterbach                                                             
  Legislative Legal Services                                                   
  130 Seward Street                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-2105                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SB 79 and SB 80.                           
                                                                               
  Karen Morgan                                                                 
  Division of Information Services                                             
  Department of Administration                                                 
  P.O. Box 110206                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska 99811-0210                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 80.                                          
                                                                               
  Dennis DeWitt, Director                                                      
  Division of Pioneers' Benefits                                               
  P.O. Box 110211                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska 99811-0211                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SB 80.                                     
                                                                               
  Harlan Knudson                                                               
  Alaska State Hospital and Nursing Home Association                           
  319 Seward                                                                   
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SB 80.                                     
                                                                               
  Dale Anderson                                                                
  9040 Glacier Hwy.                                                            
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
  Christopher Clark                                                            
  P.O. Box 020443                                                              
  Juneau, Alaska 99801-0443                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
  Chip Wagoner                                                                 
  3294 Pioneer Ave.                                                            
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
  Joe Poor, Director                                                           
  Juneau Chamber of Commerce                                                   
  124 W. 5th                                                                   
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
  Jim Kohler, Director                                                         
  Southeast Conference                                                         
  124 W. 5th                                                                   
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
  Linda Nissen                                                                 
  9417 Berner's Ave.                                                           
  Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Dan Keck                                                                     
  203 Harbor Dr.                                                               
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
  John Litten                                                                  
  Sitka Chamber of Commerce                                                    
  211 Crabapple Dr.                                                            
  Sitka, Alaska 99835                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 26.                                          
                                                                               
  Senator Randy Phillips                                                       
  State Capitol                                                                
  Juneau, Alaska 99811-1182                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 26.                                        
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
  TAPE 93-9, SIDE A                                                            
  Number 001                                                                   
  SENATOR LEMAN called the State  Affairs Committee meeting to                 
  order  at  9:05 a.m.  and  announced SB  84  REVOKE DRIVER'S                 
  LICENSE IF USE FALSE I.D. to be up for consideration.                        
                                                                               
  JOSH FINK, aide for Senator Kelly, said this legislation was                 
  supported last year by the Department of Public  Safety, the                 
  Department  of  Health and  Social  Services, the  Anchorage                 
  Health and Human Services Commission,  Mothers Against Drunk                 
  Driving, the Bristol Bay Area  Health Corporation, the Daily                 
  News,  CHAR, BARBA, and  various PTAs.   Putting  a hologram                 
  over vital information  on the license to  prevent tampering                 
  and putting  the words  "under 21"  on the  license are  the                 
  methods to be used.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 60                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN asked if  this was exactly like the  bill that                 
  passed last year.   MR.  FINK replied that  it is  identical                 
  except for the periods of  revocation for the first  offense                 
  was 90 days  last year and it  was brought down to  60 days.                 
  The  second offense  was  12  months,  or  until  you're  21                 
  whichever  is  longer, in  last  year's  bill and  that  was                 
  changed to 12 months.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 75                                                                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR did  not agree  with lowering the  penalties.                 
  He said in  Ketchikan there  is a movement  to increase  the                 
  penalty for the person who provides  alcohol to a minor from                 
  a Class A misdemeanor to a  felony, because recently a young                 
  man died as  a result of  obtaining alcohol from someone  of                 
  legal age.                                                                   
                                                                               
  Number 140                                                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  PHILLIP   SIMON,   Anchorage    Restaurant   and    Beverage                 
  Association, supported  SB 84.   He  thought it  would be  a                 
  great step  forward.   He  thought the  penalties should  be                 
  strong.                                                                      
                                                                               
  Number 160                                                                   
                                                                               
  CAROL WILSON supported SB 84.   She thought it was necessary                 
  for all communities.                                                         
                                                                               
  Number 170                                                                   
                                                                               
  DON SKEWIS, Anchorage, supported SB 84.   He said bar owners                 
  do not want  to serve children and  there are a lot  of fake                 
  IDs being used.  He supported strong penalties.                              
                                                                               
  Number 195                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  TAYLOR moved  to  pass SB  84  from Committee  with                 
  individual recommendations.   SENATOR ELLIS  objected so  he                 
  could have time to acquaint himself with the bill.                           
                                                                               
  Number 213                                                                   
  SENATOR LEMAN said he  would bring SB 84  up again later  in                 
  the  meeting and announced HCR  6 ARMED FORCES HISTORY MONTH                 
  to be up for consideration.                                                  
                                                                               
  JACK PHELPS, aide for Representative  Kott, said the purpose                 
  of the resolution was to commemorate the contribution of the                 
  U.S. Armed  Services to  the growth  and development  of the                 
  great state of Alaska.                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 244                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ELLIS asked  if  there would  be  a requirement  to                 
  purchase new text  books or incur  any expense.  MR.  PHELPS                 
  said it would seem unlikely and that is not their intent.                    
                                                                               
  Number 282                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  TAYLOR moved  to  pass HCR  6  from Committee  with                 
  individual recommendations and  asked for unanimous consent.                 
  There were no objections and it was so ordered.                              
  Number 289                                                                   
  SENATOR LEMAN announced SB 84 REVOKE DRIVER'S LICENSE IF USE                 
  FALSE I.D. to be up for consideration again.                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR  TAYLOR moved  to  pass SB  84  from Committee  with                 
  individual recommendation  and asked for  unanimous consent.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  There were no objections and it was so ordered.                              
  SENATOR LEMAN announced SJR 19 NAME SHEMYA AFB EARECKSON AIR                 
  FORCE BASE to be up for consideration.                                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR said this issue came to his attention through                 
  Ralph  Bartholomew, Mayor,  Ketchikan Gateway  Borough.   He                 
  said this is  something the military  would be doing and  he                 
  thought  it  good to  show  respect  and  honor  to  Colonel                 
  Eareckson.                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR ELLIS asked if the were any costs involved.  SENATOR                 
  TAYLOR said whatever costs  there are accrue to the  federal                 
  government or the military, but there were none to the state                 
  of Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR ELLIS asked  if Shemya  Air Force Base  is a  likely                 
  candidate for closure in the future.  SENATOR TAYLOR said it                 
  was his understanding that this  one may receive significant                 
  redirection,  but  it  wouldn't  be   closed,  according  to                 
  Congressman Stephens.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 347                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  MILLER moved  to  pass SJR  19 from  Committee with                 
  individual recommendations.  There were no objections and it                 
  was so ordered.                                                              
  SENATOR   LEMAN   announced   SB    79   BOARDS/COMMISSIONS/                 
  COUNCILS/AUTHORITIES   and    SB   80    BOARDS/COMMISSIONS/                 
  COUNCILS/AUTHORITIES to be  up for  consideration.  He  said                 
  changing  the  sunset  dates and  an  amendment  regarding a                 
  technical  error  were   the  only  two  things   that  were                 
  different.  RANDY  WELKER said in  the process of  splitting                 
  the bills, one reference in  the repealer section didn't get                 
  picked up.                                                                   
  Number 370                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR explained  that there was a  problem with the                 
  electrical  workers  who  lost   the  ability,  because   of                 
  sunseting,  to license various  administrators.   MR. WELKER                 
  said these bills  are primarily  to terminate regulation  of                 
  electrical  administrators   by  the  state.     MR.  WELKER                 
  explained that termination  has already  occurred.  This  is                 
  simply an effort to clean up the statutes to reflect that.                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR said he didn't want to do that, because there                 
  were some real  important public health and  safety concerns                 
  we all need  to be  aware of concerning  licensing of  these                 
  people.  He  noted that  the cold storage  in Juneau  burned                 
  down,  because there was improper wiring inside.  MR. WELKER                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  said he would check with legal to see what the proper avenue                 
  for reestablishing  the Board  is, but  he thought  it would                 
  take separate legislation from this.                                         
                                                                               
  Number 424                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR DUNCAN asked what was the  rationale for the varying                 
  lengths of time  for review of  various boards.  MR.  WELDER                 
  said  there  were several  elements:  one  was  if they  had                 
  recently been reviewed  under the sunset process,  they were                 
  put in a later year of the ten year cycle, another was those                 
  boards and commissions they typically have no problems with,                 
  and  boards and  commissions  that  have  not had  a  sunset                 
  review, yet,  which were  put in  the earlier  years of  the                 
  review cycle.                                                                
                                                                               
  Number 450                                                                   
                                                                               
  KRISTIE LEAF, Deputy Director,  Boards and Commissions, said                 
  the  Governor's  Task   Force  on  Boards   and  Commissions                 
  recommended extensions, except  for the Board of  Mechanical                 
  Examiners.  She said those Boards  that do charge fees cover                 
  the  cost  of their  own operations.    They do  not support                 
  changing the  sunset from 4  years to 10  years.   They feel                 
  that  it  would establish  each  Board as  a  more permanent                 
  structure in government which is contrary to current trends.                 
  They recommended the Code Revision Commission, the Hazardous                 
  Substance Spill Technology Review Council,  and Storage Tank                 
  Assistance  Board  not be  recommended  for extension.   The                 
  Older Alaskans  Commission  was recommended  to be  combined                 
  with  the  Pioneer   Home  Advisory  Board.     The  Woman's                 
  Commission was recommended to be consolidated with two other                 
  Boards.                                                                      
                                                                               
  SENATOR   ELLIS   asked   if   there   were   any   specific                 
  recommendations from her  Task Force on what  was originally                 
  called the Cost of  Care Review Board.  MS. LEAF  said SB 80                 
  contained some of the recommendations of the Governor's Task                 
  Force.  Others  were the  result of a  study by  Legislative                 
  Budget  and  Audit.    She  said  they would  defer  to  the                 
  Legislature's decisions on which Boards  are to be continued                 
  or deferred.                                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR DUNCAN asked why the legislature was not referred to                 
  in the  case of  the Women's Commission  and the  Children's                 
  Commission?   MS. LEAF said  the Executive Orders are before                 
  the  legislature  now,  so  they  have  the  opportunity  to                 
  disapprove them.                                                             
                                                                               
  Number 480                                                                   
                                                                               
  TERRY  LAUTERBACH,  Legislative  Legal  Services,  said  the                 
  termination  date  of  the  Women's  Commission  would   not                 
  automatically apply to the new commission.   If and when the                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Executive Order goes into effect, the legislature would need                 
  to amend  SB 79 to  put the new  commission into  the sunset                 
  cycle.  It  was not appropriate to do  that yet, because the                 
  Women's Commission still exists.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 555                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ELLIS said he planned to  hold the Executive Agency                 
  of the Government to a very high standard of coordination on                 
  these things, because  it seems like every empire is looking                 
  out for itself and  not looking out for the  overall state's                 
  interests.   He  was  particularly  concerned about  tourism                 
  development.                                                                 
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-9, SIDE B                                                            
  Number 580                                                                   
                                                                               
  MS. LAUTERBACH explained how she drafted the bills.                          
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR reiterated  his concern with  no examinations                 
  for  electrical  administrators.    He  said  the  test  was                 
  controlled  by  the  IBEW  for  years  and  it  was  grossly                 
  mismanaged.  The  controversy is  there and it  needs to  be                 
  monitored.  The legislature needs to make a policy call that                 
  says public health  and safety needs  to be considered.   He                 
  does not  favor deleting electrical administrators  from the                 
  statute.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Number 560                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  LEMAN  said  he  understands  that it  has  already                 
  happened and the question is, do  you want to leave the  old                 
  statute in even though it's expired.  SENATOR TAYLOR said he                 
  would be happy to clean it up and deal with it in Judiciary.                 
                                                                               
  Number 550                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  TAYLOR  moved  to adopt  Lauterbach  amendment  #1.                 
  There were no objections and it was so ordered.                              
                                                                               
  SENATOR MILLER moved to  adopt amendment #2.  SENATOR  ELLIS                 
  objected.    SENATOR LEMAN  called  for  a roll  call  vote:                 
  SENATOR MILLER: No;  SENATOR TAYLOR: No; SENATOR  ELLIS: No;                 
  SENATOR  DUNCAN: No; and SENATOR LEMAN:  Yes; and the motion                 
  failed.                                                                      
                                                                               
  SENATOR  LEMAN  announced   amendment  #3   to  be  up   for                 
  consideration.                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR TAYLOR moved to  adopt amendment #3.  There  were no                 
  objections and it was so ordered.                                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR  TAYLOR  moved  to  discharge  CSSB  79  (STA)  from                 
  Committee with  individual recommendations.   There  were no                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  objections and it was so ordered.                                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN said they still had SB 80 before them.                         
                                                                               
  Number 515                                                                   
                                                                               
  KAREN MORGAN, Division  of Information Services, opposed  SB
  80, particularly the  language regarding  Telecommunications                 
  Information  Council  (TIC).   What  TIC does  that previous                 
  committees have not been able to do is combine the interests                 
  of  the  executive  and  legislative  branches.   They  feel                 
  oversight  is needed because  so much money  is involved and                 
  there is so much that can be done on the state wide level.                   
                                                                               
  Number 500                                                                   
                                                                               
  DENNIS DEWITT, Director, Division  of Pioneer Benefits, said                 
  they opposed Sections  24, 25, 26, and the  repealer portion                 
  of Section 36 which combines the Pioneer Advisory Board with                 
  the  Older  Alaskans Commission.    Combining the  two would                 
  increase the cost of running the  Commission.  He thought it                 
  was  important  to  keep  the  two  Boards  because  of  the                 
  expertise they offer in the process of reorganization.                       
                                                                               
  HARLAN  KNUDSON,  Alaska  State  Hospital  and  Nursing Home                 
  Association,  opposed Section 31  which removes the Medicaid                 
  Rate Commission.  The  Board is a good  place to figure  out                 
  rate  changes and  it is  merely advisory.    The Department                 
  still makes the decision,  but it does allow the  industry a                 
  chance to negotiate.   Also, the repealers in the  back look                 
  like they are repealing  all the staff of the  Medicaid Rate                 
  Commission.   That is  where the  savings would  be, but  he                 
  thought the staff was essential.                                             
                                                                               
  Number 440                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN said he would hold SB 80 until Friday.                         
  SENATOR LEMAN announced  SB 26 LEGISLATIVE SESSIONS TO BE IN                 
  ANCHORAGE to be up for consideration.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 420                                                                   
                                                                               
  DALE ANDERSON, Juneau, opposed  SB 26 and said that  jobs in                 
  Juneau  is the issue.  Talking  about SB 26 is talking about                 
  the very survival  of his community, he said.   It would cut                 
  the economy here to the quick.  It would eliminate hundreds,                 
  if not thousands of jobs in Juneau.                                          
                                                                               
  This "capitol move bill" is  insidious, because it will only                 
  elevate the divisive factions  across our state.   We should                 
  be  working  on  legislation that  secures  basic  needs and                 
  services for all Alaskans.   We should be turning  our backs                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  on  bill such  as this  that diverts  precious  dollars from                 
  public  policy  away  from  making  sure  we  have  the  key                 
  essentials that government is responsible to provide.                        
                                                                               
  He asked if  this issue  was important enough  to split  the                 
  state again.  Is it important  enough to place his community                 
  on the chopping block?   Is voting politically  correct more                 
  important that voting the way your conscience dictates?   He                 
  asked them to vote as statesmen, not just politicians.                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR MILLER said  one of the biggest  complaints he heard                 
  from his constituents  was lack  of access.   He asked  what                 
  suggestions he had to improve access.  MR. ANDERSON said the                 
  numbers  of state  jobs  has  increased  much  more  in  the                 
  Anchorage area than in Juneau.                                               
                                                                               
  Number 282                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHRISTOPHER CLARK, Juneau resident, said we could use a road                 
  out of here.   Maybe now is the time  to do it.  He  said we                 
  have the  technology to  access people  everywhere.   People                 
  don't  have to  be  in  the room  in  order  to voice  their                 
  opinion.   He said this  city's economic base  is government                 
  even though it is diversifying with  mining and tourism.  He                 
  didn't  see  how  moving  the  legislature would  solve  any                 
  problems the state  is facing.   He said  the technology  is                 
  there to reach you anywhere you are in the state as  long as                 
  you want to be reached.                                                      
                                                                               
  He said housing is a problem that needs to be addressed, but                 
  moving  the  legislature is  not the  answer.   He  said the                 
  future  of  the  state   does  not  depend  on  moving   the                 
  legislature to Anchorage.  It depends  on more people in his                 
  age group (30) moving into the  state and creating tax bases                 
  and  supporting  the  state and  getting  involved  with the                 
  community.                                                                   
                                                                               
  He concluded by  saying we  need to work  with what we  have                 
  instead of moving  the economic  base from one  part of  the                 
  state to another and hurting another part of the state.                      
                                                                               
  CHIP WAGONER, Juneau, said no  matter what moral compass you                 
  have inside of you, this bill is  wrong.  If there was truly                 
  an access problem, there is a lot we can  be doing.  He said                 
  it  would  be a  lot  cheaper  to solve  the  access problem                 
  through telecommunications.                                                  
                                                                               
  MR.  WAGONER said  it not fair  to all concerned.   It would                 
  have  a  devastating impact  on us  whereas  if it  moves to                 
  Anchorage, people will yawn.                                                 
                                                                               
  This bill does not promote good will and better friendships.                 
  This  is a  mean bill.   It tears  this community  apart; it                 
  tears the state apart.                                                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  This bill is not  beneficial to all concerned.   The benefit                 
  of moving it to southcentral  would be marginal compared  to                 
  the effect down here.                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 140                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOE POOR, Director,  Juneau Chamber of Commerce,  opposed SB
  26 because it poses additional threats to our local economy.                 
  After the announcement of the closing of Greenscreek, Juneau                 
  does not need another threat to the local economy.                           
                                                                               
  According to the  Institute of Social and  Economic Research                 
  at the University  of Alaska, state spending  is responsible                 
  for 46%  of all economic  activity in the  Southeast region.                 
  It  also  projects  a decline  in  state  revenues based  on                 
  declining oil production.                                                    
                                                                               
  Anchorage  has  3,500  more  state  workers  than  currently                 
  employed  in  Juneau.   Perhaps  Anchorage is  worried about                 
  closure   of   their  military   bases  under   the  Clinton                 
  administration and is willing  to devastate another  Alaskan                 
  community for their own gain.                                                
                                                                               
  He questioned the validity  of the fiscal notes  attached to                 
  this bill.  He suggested accurate assessments be  made prior                 
  to  any  further   discussions  on   this  bill.     Alaskan                 
  communities need to  work together if the  projected decline                 
  in   oil   revenues   becomes   a   reality.      With   the                 
  telecommunications  technology we have,  it is not necessary                 
  for  our  legislature to  be  centrally located.   Effective                 
  later this year, the Federal Aviation Administration will be                 
  installing a Global Positioning System  (GPS) at the airport                 
  which will increase  the number of successful  approaches to                 
  Juneau  by  as  much  as  95%.    This  will  be  the  first                 
  installation for commercial purposes  in the United  States.                 
  The US Air Force has been  using this technology since 1971.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Southeast   Alaska   may   be  further   impacted   by   the                 
  restructuring within  the National Guard.  This could mean a                 
  loss of about 50%  of the Guardsmen in Southeast  and having                 
  them redeployed in the Anchorage and Fairbanks area.                         
                                                                               
  SENATOR MILLER asked  if GPS is  old technology, why are  we                 
  just now getting around  to using it?  MR. POOR  said it was                 
  relegated  to the  armed  services and  it  has just  become                 
  available commercially.                                                      
                                                                               
  TAPE 93-10, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
                                                                               
  JIM KOHLER,  Director, Southeast Conference,  said the issue                 
  of access is important.  He  said if we are truly  concerned                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  about making the legislative  and administrative branchs  of                 
  our  government more  accessible to  all the  people in  the                 
  state, it is  important to realize that  specific activities                 
  are  under way  to  alleviate this  with telecommunications,                 
  road access, etc.  He volunteered  to bringing a fiscal note                 
  that shows the access issues could be dealt with effectively                 
  for  much  less than  this  particular piece  of legislation                 
  would cost.                                                                  
                                                                               
  He  urged  that we  work at  making  Alaska a  truly unified                 
  strong state and  address the real problems  that are facing                 
  this  state,   for  instance   the  statewide   economy  and                 
  diversification.  He said Greens Creek might not have closed                 
  if over the last several years we, as a state, had  invested                 
  some energy into identifying  and pursuing the  construction                 
  of a smelter activity  that could handle base  metals within                 
  our own state.   This would not only have  kept Greens Creek                 
  here, but it would have increased mineral type activities.                   
                                                                               
  Number 115                                                                   
                                                                               
  LINDA NISSEN,  Juneau resident, said that Juneau  is the hub                 
  of Southeast Alaska.   It  sparkles.  What  draws people  to                 
  Juneau is the legislature.   Anchorage has other industries.                 
  If the legislature leaves, Juneau is lost.                                   
                                                                               
  Number 170                                                                   
                                                                               
  DAN KECK, Sitka, said it is not the legislature's purpose to                 
  create an economic  base for any  community.  It is  to make                 
  laws for the people  of Alaska.  He didn't  think they could                 
  do this job  any better in Anchorage.   He pointed  out that                 
  they would not be  very effective in Anchorage when  all the                 
  support agencies  were still  headquartered in  Juneau.   He                 
  thought if they  really wanted to  move the capital that  it                 
  should go back to Sitka where it originated.                                 
                                                                               
  Number 199                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN LITTEN, Sitka Chamber  of Commerce, opposed SB 26.   If                 
  you move  the legislature from Juneau, you can't imagine how                 
  that would affect Sitka, he commented.   He pointed out that                 
  Alaska Airlines now connects with  Boise, Idaho and Spokane,                 
  Washington.  Southeast Alaska can support jet service.   The                 
  legislature  is one of the major reasons why Alaska Airlines                 
  flies  to  Southeast  Alaska.    He  did  not  want  to  see                 
  transportation go backwards, because it  is essential to all                 
  Southeast communities.                                                       
                                                                               
  MR. LITTEN  said if you  look at  any other capitals  in any                 
  other state, they are in more remote areas  where you can be                 
  more focused and have better productivity.                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR MILLER said  in the past that  Juneau had more  of a                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  willingness to work  with Seattle than  with Anchorage.   He                 
  used the  time difference  issue as  an example  when Juneau                 
  wanted  to  stay on  the  same  time as  Seattle  instead of                 
  aligning with Anchorage.  He wanted to see more  willingness                 
  from Juneau to work with the rest of the state.                              
                                                                               
  Number 260                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  DUNCAN  said he  had a  list  of people  to address                 
  Senator Miller's concerns.                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR  LEMAN said they  would hold  the bill  in Committee                 
  until Friday when they would receive more testimony.                         
                                                                               
  SENATOR  PHILLIPS  said  the  vast  majority,  80%,  of  his                 
  constituents support  moving the  legislature to  Anchorage.                 
  The big problem  is access.  He  said one of the  reasons he                 
  ran for office is to have better access to his constituents.                 
  He said half  the legislators  live within 25  miles of  the                 
  Anchorage area.  He  agreed with the concerns on  the fiscal                 
  note.  He believed the  Senate Finance Committee would  look                 
  at them closely.                                                             
                                                                               
  He said the audio and visual teleconference, if it is a good                 
  thing,  should   work  very  well   with  state   government                 
  communicating with his constituents.  He said this is a bill                 
  to move only the legislature, not the capital.                               
                                                                               
  Road access  to Juneau  he said  would help,  but you  would                 
  still  have to drive  800 miles.   Even if you  have a road,                 
  you're only saving a couple of hours.  He said access to his                 
  constituents is the real concern.                                            
  Number 349                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR LEMAN said the Committee will hold SB 26 for further                 
  testimony on Friday and adjourned the meeting at 11:02 a.m.                  
                                                                               

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