03/31/2010 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES
| Audio | Topic | 
|---|---|
| Start | |
| SB255 | |
| HB162 | |
| Overview by Dnr and Dor on Cook Inlet Incentives | |
| SB309 | |
| SB290 | |
| HB280 | |
| Adjourn | 
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
| + | TELECONFERENCED | ||
| *+ | SB 309 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| *+ | SB 290 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | HB 280 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| = | SB 255 | ||
| = | HB 162 | ||
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 31, 2010                                                                                         
                           3:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 255                                                                                                             
"An Act relating  to sharing records regarding  fish purchased by                                                               
fish processors  with certain  federal agencies,  to requirements                                                               
to  obtain and  maintain  a fisheries  business  license, and  to                                                               
payment  of  industry  fees  required  of  fish  processors;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 255 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 162                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing  the Southeast State Forest  and relating to                                                               
the  Southeast  State  Forest; and  providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SCS HB 162(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW BY DNR AND DOR ON COOK INLET INCENTIVES                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 309                                                                                                             
"An Act  amending and extending  the exploration  and development                                                               
incentive  tax credit  under the  Alaska Net  Income Tax  Act for                                                               
operators  and working  interest owners  directly engaged  in the                                                               
exploration for and  development of gas from a  lease or property                                                               
in the  state; providing  for an effective  date by  amending the                                                               
effective date  for sec. 2, ch.  61, SLA 2003; and  providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 290                                                                                                             
"An Act providing  a credit against the tax on  the production of                                                               
oil and  gas for drilling  certain exploration wells in  the Cook                                                               
Inlet sedimentary basin."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 280(FIN) AM                                                                             
"An  Act relating  to a  gas  storage facility;  relating to  the                                                               
Regulatory Commission  of Alaska;  relating to  the participation                                                               
by the attorney  general in a matter involving the  approval of a                                                               
rate or a  gas supply contract; relating to an  income tax credit                                                               
for a  gas storage facility;  relating to oil and  gas production                                                               
tax credits; relating to the powers  and duties of the Alaska Oil                                                               
and  Gas  Conservation  Commission; relating  to  production  tax                                                               
credits   for   certain   losses  and   expenditures,   including                                                               
exploration expenditures;  relating to  the powers and  duties of                                                               
the director  of the division  of lands and  to lease fees  for a                                                               
gas  storage  facility  on  state  land;  and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD AND HELD                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 255                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: FISH PROCESSOR FEES, LICENSES, RECORDS                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) OLSON                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/03/10       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/03/10       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
03/29/10       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/29/10       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/29/10       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 162                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: SOUTHEAST STATE FOREST                                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/02/09       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/02/09       (H)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
04/08/09       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
04/08/09       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
04/08/09       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/10/09       (H)       RES RPT 7DP 1AM                                                                                        
04/10/09       (H)       DP:   OLSON,   EDGMON,   TUCK,   SEATON,                                                               
                         WILSON, JOHNSON, NEUMAN                                                                                
04/10/09       (H)       AM: KAWASAKI                                                                                           
04/13/09       (H)       FIN RPT 5DP 5NR                                                                                        
04/13/09       (H)       DP:    THOMAS,     FOSTER,    AUSTERMAN,                                                               
                         FAIRCLOUGH, JOULE                                                                                      
04/13/09       (H)       NR: GARA, CRAWFORD, KELLY, SALMON,                                                                     
                         STOLTZE                                                                                                
04/13/09       (H)       FIN AT 8:30 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
04/13/09       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
04/13/09       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
04/15/09       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/15/09       (H)       VERSION: HB 162                                                                                        
04/16/09       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/16/09       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
01/20/10       (S)       FIN REFERRAL ADDED AFTER RES                                                                           
03/29/10       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/29/10       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/29/10       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 309                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: GAS EXPLORATION\DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/25/10       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/25/10       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
03/31/10       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 290                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: TAX CREDIT TO DRILL WELLS IN COOK INLET                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): WAGONER                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
02/22/10       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/22/10       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
03/31/10       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 280                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: NATURAL GAS:  STORAGE/ TAX CREDITS                                                                                 
SPONSOR(s): HAWKER, CHENAULT                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/15/10       (H)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/15/10                                                                               
01/19/10       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/19/10       (H)       L&C, RES, FIN                                                                                          
02/08/10       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/08/10       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/08/10       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/15/10       (H)       L&C AT 3:15 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/15/10       (H)       Moved CSHB 280(L&C) Out of Committee                                                                   
02/15/10       (H)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
02/17/10       (H)       L&C RPT CS(L&C) NT 4DP 2NR 1AM                                                                         
02/17/10       (H)       DP: LYNN, NEUMAN, CHENAULT, OLSON                                                                      
02/17/10       (H)       NR: HOLMES, T.WILSON                                                                                   
02/17/10       (H)       AM: BUCH                                                                                               
02/19/10       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
02/19/10       (H)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/26/10       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
02/26/10       (H)       <Bill Hearing Canceled>                                                                                
03/12/10       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/12/10       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/12/10       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/15/10       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/15/10       (H)       Moved CSHB 280(RES) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/15/10       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/17/10       (H)       RES RPT CS(RES) NT 5DP                                                                                 
03/17/10       (H)       DP: EDGMON, OLSON, P.WILSON, SEATON,                                                                   
                         JOHNSON                                                                                                
03/17/10       (H)       FIN AT 9:00 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/17/10       (H)       <Bill Hearing Postponed to 1:30 pm                                                                     
                         Today>                                                                                                 
03/17/10       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/17/10       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/17/10       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/18/10       (H)       FIN AT 9:00 AM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/18/10       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/18/10       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/18/10       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM HOUSE FINANCE 519                                                                       
03/18/10       (H)       Moved CSHB 280(FIN) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/18/10       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
03/22/10       (H)       FIN RPT CS(FIN) NT 9DP 1AM                                                                             
03/22/10       (H)       DP:   AUSTERMAN,    FAIRCLOUGH,   KELLY,                                                               
                         N.FOSTER,    DOOGAN,   THOMAS,    JOULE,                                                               
                         STOLTZE                                                                                                
03/22/10       (H)       HAWKER                                                                                                 
03/22/10       (H)       AM: GARA                                                                                               
03/24/10       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/24/10       (H)       VERSION: CSHB 280(FIN) AM                                                                              
03/25/10       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/25/10       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
03/31/10       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON                                                                                                                   
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 255.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS MAISCH, State Forester                                                                                                    
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HB 162.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BANKS, Director                                                                                                           
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview of Cook Inlet oil and gas                                                              
incentives from DNR perspective, and commented on SB 309 and SB
290.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MARCIA DAVIS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                               
Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                                     
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented overview of Cook Inlet oil and gas                                                              
incentives from DOR perspective, and commented on SB 309 and SB
290.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MIKE PAWLOWSKI                                                                                                                  
Aide to Senator McGuire                                                                                                         
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SB 309 for the sponsor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KAREY LOCKHART, Production Manager                                                                                              
Alaska Operations                                                                                                               
Marathon Oil Corporation                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 309.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARK LAND, Executive Vice President, Land and Administration                                                                    
Renaissance Alaska, LLC, &                                                                                                      
Vice President, Land and Business Development                                                                                   
Buccaneer Energy Limited Alaska                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SB 309.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
STACY SHUBERT, Director                                                                                                         
Intergovernmental Affairs                                                                                                       
Mayor Sullivan's Office                                                                                                         
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION  STATEMENT: Supported  SB 309  at the  request of  Mayor                                                             
Sullivan.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MARY JACKSON                                                                                                                    
Staff to Senator Wagoner                                                                                                        
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SB 290 for the sponsor.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE HAWKER                                                                                                      
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HB 280.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:32:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  called   the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:32  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  Wagoner,  French,  Huggins,  Stevens,  and                                                               
Wielechowski.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         SB 255-FISH PROCESSOR FEES, LICENSES, RECORDS                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:33:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   announced  SB   255   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration.  He said  this bill  would  enable fisheries  that                                                               
have elected to  pursue and permit buyback program to  do so. The                                                               
purpose  is to  stabilize  the  fleet and  ensure  the long  term                                                               
economic stability  of the fishery.  This bill creates  the legal                                                               
mechanisms   to  ensure   the  proper   accounting  of   all  the                                                               
transactions involved in this process.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:34:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR OLSON, sponsor of SB  255, said this bill strengthens the                                                               
viability of the fisheries even though it is fairly simple.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  noted  a  letter  of  intent  that  would                                                               
accompany the bill  with six signatures. He explained  that it is                                                               
the  result  of   an  agreement  between  the   seiners  and  the                                                               
processors that the  permit buyback program will  not remove more                                                               
permits  than  necessary for  the  health  and viability  of  the                                                               
fishery and sets the number of permits at 260.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  moved  to  report SB  255  from  committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations,  attached fiscal note(s),  and letter                                                               
of intent. There were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                 HB 162-SOUTHEAST STATE FOREST                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:36:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   announced  HB   162   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration. It  would establish  a new Southeast  State Forest                                                               
on about  25,000 acres of  state lands presently used  for timber                                                               
harvest. The establishment  of a forest will  enable the Division                                                               
of  Forestry to  manage these  lands for  a long  term supply  of                                                               
timber  for local  processors.  Lands in  the  forest would  also                                                               
continue  to  be open  for  multiple  uses.  He said  they  heard                                                               
resounding public support for this bill on Monday.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He said there were two  small conceptual amendments to change the                                                               
date on  page 6, line 9,  from July 1,  2009 to July 1,  2010 and                                                               
the second would be  to make the same change to  line 11. He said                                                               
the change was  previously made, but to the wrong  version of the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:37:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRIS  MAISCH, State  Forester, Department  of Natural  Resources                                                               
(DNR) agreed that those two changes needed to be made.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS  remembered the  when  they  did the  University                                                               
lands bill  and suddenly a lot  of communities came out  and said                                                               
they  had  never  heard  of  it  before.  Would  they  hear  from                                                               
communities  that they  were surprise  by this  or have  concerns                                                               
that they weren't able to voice.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAISCH  replied no;  they spent  a lot  of time  in Southeast                                                               
Alaska and this bill had wide support.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  moved conceptual  Amendment 1.  There were                                                               
no objections and it was adopted.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN joined the committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:39:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH moved  to report HB 162 as  amended from committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and attached  fiscal  note(s).                                                               
There being no  objection, SCS HB 162(RES) moved  from the Senate                                                               
Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       ^Overview by DNR and DOR on Cook Inlet incentives                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
3:41:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  announced  the  overview  of  Cook  Inlet                                                               
incentives  by  the Department  of  Natural  Resources (DNR)  and                                                               
Department of Revenue (DOR).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:41:30 PM                                                                                                                    
KEVIN BANKS,  Director, Division  of Oil  and Gas,  Department of                                                               
Natural  Resources (DNR),  introduced himself.  He said  he would                                                               
speak to  incentives particularly  related to  royalties (managed                                                               
by the  DNR) and Marcia Davis  would speak about tax  credits. He                                                               
said AS  38.05.180(j) provides three  kinds of  opportunities for                                                               
lessees to  reduce their  royalties under  certain circumstances.                                                               
This statute  was passed in 1995  with a lot of  controversy, but                                                               
several things are very important and valuable.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Basically, Mr.  Banks explained,  if you  have an  existing field                                                               
that  is  nearing  the  field's  end, it  is  possible  under  AS                                                               
38.05.180(j) to  reduce the royalty to  3 percent - if  it can be                                                               
established that the  life of the field can be  extended by doing                                                               
so. He  explained they view "end  of field life" as  being at the                                                               
point where the  revenues coming for sale of the  oil and gas off                                                               
of the lease exceed the operating  costs. It will happen to every                                                               
field and if they can reduce  the royalty at that point, there is                                                               
a chance that the life of the  lease could be extended by as much                                                               
as 18 to 24 months.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
It also provides  for a reduction in royalty should  a field shut                                                               
down for  a period of  time. A situation  like that was  at Milne                                                               
Point in the  mid-80s when the prices collapsed.  Conoco (not the                                                               
ConocoPhillips of  today) at  the time  was one  of the  four oil                                                               
companies on the  North Slope and had to bring  the field to shut                                                               
in; then they  subsequently restarted it and  applied for royalty                                                               
relief. Under the circumstances  that followed the royalty wasn't                                                               
granted but that was the  situation. More importantly, in 1995 AS                                                               
38.05.180(j)  was   changed  to   offer  royalty   relief  before                                                               
production begins. This is unique in  that now we are saying that                                                               
if  there can  be a  showing that  a royalty  relief under  these                                                               
terms can affect  the economics of a project so  that it moves it                                                               
into the success  pile instead of the failure pile,  you can move                                                               
forward with it  and get a royalty relief down  to 5 percent. The                                                               
lessee has to  meet some requirements in order for  him to permit                                                               
it,  however,  because  they  are  talking  about  a  prospective                                                               
situation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The  lessee  has  to  provide   the  department  with  sufficient                                                               
information  about the  reservoir,  the resource  itself and  the                                                               
kinds of costs it expects.  The department evaluates it against a                                                               
price  forecast and  some  measure of  risk  and uncertainty  for                                                               
developing  the field.  A certain  amount of  delineation of  the                                                               
prospect  has to  be done,  and that  involves a  fairly thorough                                                               
look on the part of the  department to determine that the state's                                                               
best interests  are served. He  said he looks for  royalty relief                                                               
credit  to  be  both  effective   and  efficient.  It  should  be                                                               
effective in so  far as it will alter the  behavior of the lessee                                                               
so  that their  economics have  improved so  much that  they will                                                               
move  ahead and  develop.  And it's  efficient in  so  far as  it                                                               
grants  no more  royalty relief  than  is needed  to achieve  the                                                               
change in behavior.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said the statute  also says  that this relief  must be                                                               
tied to  some kind  of price  or some  other measure  of economic                                                               
success so that if prices  rise, the department can condition the                                                               
royalty  relief  on the  improved  economics  that higher  prices                                                               
might cause.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:48:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS stepped  down to  the discovery  royalty and  said for                                                               
many  of the  leases on  state land,  which are  probably all  in                                                               
production  or have  long since  expired, it  is possible  to get                                                               
discovery  royalty  of  5  percent  for the  first  10  years  of                                                               
production (for pre-1969  leases). A few of those  may still have                                                               
that  opportunity.  Cook  Inlet  also  has  a  discovery  royalty                                                               
provision  for the  first  10 years  of  production. Finally,  in                                                               
1998/99, a  law passed  that identified six  pools that  had been                                                               
discovered  earlier,  which  if  someone could  bring  them  into                                                               
production, the first  25 million barrels of oil or  the first 35                                                               
bcf  gas are  subject to  a 5  percent royalty  for the  first 10                                                               
years  of production  by 2004.  The fields  that were  subject to                                                               
that  were Nicolai  Creek, Redoubt  Shoals, West  Foreland, North                                                               
Fork,  and  Sterchikof, which  were  not  in production  at  that                                                               
point. Right  now Nicolai Creek  is in production, North  Fork is                                                               
under development right  now by Armstrong, and  Redoubt Shoals is                                                               
one  of the  properties that  was involved  in the  bankruptcy of                                                               
Pacific Energies and is now owned by Cook Inlet Energy.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS   said  the  department   also  has  a   managing  and                                                               
exploration  licensing program,  although  that is  not a  normal                                                               
incentive.  After tomorrow  they  will offer  a  period in  which                                                               
applicants for  exploration licensing  can come  to the  DNR with                                                               
suggestions to  acquire land in  areas outside of the  Cook Inlet                                                               
and  North Slope  with  nothing  more than  the  size  of a  work                                                               
commitment and acquire limited rights  to exploration, which upon                                                               
completion of  some work commitments  that may be offered  by the                                                               
applicant that  license converts  to a  conventional oil  and gas                                                               
lease.  It is  an incentive  in  one regard  in that  competitive                                                               
bidding is not necessarily involved  (unless there are challenges                                                               
for  the  same  piece  of  property). But  no  bonus  bidding  is                                                               
involved, so the cash that would  normally go to the state in the                                                               
form of  a bonus  bid goes into  the ground in  the form  of some                                                               
exploration program.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:51:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MARCIA DAVIS,  Deputy Commissioner, Department of  Revenue (DOR),                                                               
explained that  the exploration  tax credit  is 40-50  percent of                                                               
drilling costs. Drilling costs under  the Alaska's statutes are a                                                               
collection of both operating and capital costs.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if the exploration  incentive credit                                                               
(EIC) and exploration tax credit (ETC) credits are cumulative.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered that each credit  has a description of when it                                                               
can be used and  she would have to look at  that. She thought the                                                               
EIC is  exclusive. The  EIC also covers  seismic, but  only costs                                                               
that  are  outside   of  an  existing  unit.   Likewise  for  the                                                               
exploration  drilling costs  - all  of those  are parted;  either                                                               
you're outside of  25 miles in which case you  get 40 percent; if                                                               
you're three  miles outside  a unit  or three  miles away  from a                                                               
well and  less than 25  miles away  from existing units  then you                                                               
get the  30 percent credit.  None of these credits  are available                                                               
if the drilling is happening within existing unit boundaries.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:53:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH said in his chart  under "North Slope" it says "30                                                               
percent of drill costs if  greater than 25 miles and preapproved"                                                               
and asked if "preapproved" is the qualifier.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  answered "exactly." You  have to  meet one and  two in                                                               
order to get the 40 percent.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked what the  situation is between  three miles                                                               
and 25.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS answered  you're still  at 30  percent because  you're                                                               
greater  than three  miles;  if  it's less  than  three, you  get                                                               
nothing.  She   explained  that   there  are  several   types  of                                                               
production tax  credits; the first  one is the  qualified capital                                                               
expenses  credit  (AS  43.55.023)  - essentially  20  percent  of                                                               
things that are known as  qualified capital expenditures, defined                                                               
in  that section  as essentially  the intangible  drilling costs.                                                               
The trick about the qualified  capital expenditure credit is that                                                               
you can  use half in the  current year and half  in the following                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:55:33 PM                                                                                                                    
She explained that  the loss carry forward  credit (AS 43.55.023)                                                               
is essentially if  a producer has capital  expenditures and can't                                                               
fully deduct them (in other words,  you have earned less than you                                                               
expended that year),  they are allowed to use 25  percent and use                                                               
that in the following year as a net operating loss credit.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked what happens to the other 75 percent.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered it goes away.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH asked  that they  are transferable  in the  sense                                                               
that you can push them forward, but you can't sell them.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  answered yes. Your  net operating loss  is essentially                                                               
that you  take 25 percent of  the capital expenses that  you had.                                                               
If  that equates  to  the full  loss that  you  had, that's  what                                                               
you've got. But you can't claim a  loss for more than what was 25                                                               
percent of your capital expenditures in that year.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:56:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS said  the third credit is known as  the "small producer                                                               
credit" or  "frontier basing credit."  She said  people sometimes                                                               
miss  two of  the credits  in one  section. The  first one  in AS                                                               
43.55.025(a) is a $6 million credit  that is given to someone who                                                               
produces  less  than  50,000  barrels  per  year  from  non-North                                                               
Slope/non-Cook  Inlet  properties.   The  second  small  producer                                                               
credit is  up to $12  million for a  producer that has  less than                                                               
100,000 barrels  average per day.  So a producer that  has 50,000                                                               
barrels or less  per year will get the full  $12 million; between                                                               
50,000 and 100,000 it gets proportionately drawn down.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Finally,  the  other benefit  under  the  production tax  is  the                                                               
economic  limit factor  (ELF), the  reduced tax  for Cook  Inlet-                                                               
related properties.  The net effect  of that is that  the maximum                                                               
tax on  gas coming out of  the Cook Inlet region  is 17 cents/mcf                                                               
(by  formula) and  the  maximum tax  on oil  per  barrel is  zero                                                               
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:58:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH asked if any of the credits can be combined.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered  that the same expenditure can  either be used                                                               
either as  an exploration  tax credit or  as a  qualified capital                                                               
expenditure credit; it can't be both.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked which can be  sold either to the state or to                                                               
another producer.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS replied the exploration  tax credit, the capital credit                                                               
under AS 43.55.023(a)(b)  and AS 43.55.025 and  the net operating                                                               
loss can be cashed out, but not the small producer credits.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked  if  those  are the  only  ones  that  are                                                               
transferable or sellable on the market.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  added that  those are only  cashable by  taxpayers who                                                               
have an average of 50,000 barrels or less of production per day.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI  said   he  wanted   to  understand   the                                                               
difference between the EIC and ETC better.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  interrupted to  explain that an  EIC is  a DNR-offered                                                               
credit that  becomes a term of  the lease before the  lease sale.                                                               
Generally speaking it's  some proportion of the well  cost - some                                                               
amount of money per foot or  some percentage of the total cost up                                                               
to 50 percent. It makes the lease more attractive.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if the first "default"  would be the                                                               
ETC which  anyone would be eligible  for and if the  state wanted                                                               
to incentivize  a lease more it  could be raised from  30 percent                                                               
to 50 percent.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS replied  that he  wasn't sure  that the  EIC under  AS                                                               
38.05 is additive to the ETC.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  said she did not  see any exclusions in  AS 43.55.025,                                                               
which means that it is additive.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:02:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if someone  could get an  80 percent                                                               
tax credit.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS answered  if he  offered leases  with that  50 percent                                                               
credit, yes.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   asked   Mr.  Banks   if   the   royalty                                                               
modification is  similar to the  EIC in  that it is  something he                                                               
would offer to potential lessees or  would a producer ask him for                                                               
royalty relief for a marginal field.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered that  it works in the later case.  It is not a                                                               
provision  of the  lease; it  is a  provision in  AS 38.05.180(j)                                                               
that allows a lessee to ask for royalty relief prospectively.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked how many  leases in Cook  Inlet have                                                               
royalty modifications.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  answered there are  none in  Cook Inlet; the  only two                                                               
places   that   have  a   form   of   royalty  modification   (AS                                                               
38.05.180(j)) are the  leases in Oooguruk on the  North Slope and                                                               
in  the  Nikiachuk Unit,  and  he  explained that  Nikiachuk  was                                                               
evaluated after  the PPT  had passed; so  they accounted  for the                                                               
economic effects of that in their evaluation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH said  the basic argument they  would be confronted                                                               
with from  a producer is  the that the  economics of a  field are                                                               
challenged for  whatever reason,  and he asked  if there  was any                                                               
limit on the  reasons they can present - like  being too far from                                                               
existing   infrastructure,  having   a  difficult   formation  to                                                               
produce, or heavy oil.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  replied that it  all gets boiled  down to how  much it                                                               
costs   to  develop   the  field.   Distance   would  matter   if                                                               
infrastructure  was  needed.    Most of  those  issues  would  be                                                               
captured in the cost of development.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked if anything  prevents a producer from making                                                               
the argument that  taxes on a field are so  high that the royalty                                                               
needs to be lowered so the field could stay in production.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered no; that is  a plausible argument and it would                                                               
be   incorporated   in  his   evaluation,   as   would  how   the                                                               
progressivity would  work. In the evaluations  the department has                                                               
done so  far, however, moving  the royalty rate from  the average                                                               
of 12.5 percent  down to 5 percent often doesn't  make a very big                                                               
difference in the  economics of a project,  because the royalties                                                               
are  paid basically  after production  begins and  after a  great                                                               
deal of the money has been spent.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH recapped that it's  hard to make the argument that                                                               
a 7 percent  reduction in royalty would make a  big difference in                                                               
the economics of a field.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said that  is correct,  and he  reminded him  that the                                                               
department  evaluates these  prospects  before production  begins                                                               
and before  a major investment  occurs. His  point is if  you are                                                               
offering royalty  relief it  will typically  occur after  all the                                                               
big money has been spent.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if  a royalty reduction  can be  brought on                                                               
with any lease the state oversees.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  responded  that the  prospective  reduction  is  only                                                               
provided to those fields that are not in production.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI   asked  what  factors  he   looks  at  to                                                               
determine a royalty reduction.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  answered they  try  to  place  the economics  of  the                                                               
project into what  a prudent operator would do to  move a project                                                               
forward -  perhaps the  net present  value of  a project  at some                                                               
discount rate,  the internal rate of  return, capital efficiency,                                                               
and some risk measurement. They  would consider what would happen                                                               
if the project would become wildly successful.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:09:23 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS interrupted to clarify  an earlier answer she gave when                                                               
asked  if  this  is  the  only tax  incentive.  It  is  the  only                                                               
incentive for  production tax, but  another tax  provision should                                                               
be on the chart - the  corporation income tax credit known as the                                                               
gas exploration  and development  tax credit under  AS 43.20.043.                                                               
That  provision provides  for gas  exploration expenditures  that                                                               
are non-North Slope  gas; under current law, 10  percent of those                                                               
expenditures become  a credit against  the corporate  income tax.                                                               
If you  use that credit it  is in lieu of  the EIC or any  of the                                                               
production  tax  credits,  although   some  of  the  language  is                                                               
problematic.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She also  wanted to go back  and answer the question  about which                                                               
credits are  in lieu of  other credits. The only  provision under                                                               
the production tax  regime (five potential benefits)  that has to                                                               
be exclusive is the capital  credit under AS 43.55.023(a). But if                                                               
a new player  who is under that 50,000 barrel  threshold could do                                                               
an exploration  well that would  qualify for the  exploration tax                                                               
credit. If they don't have a  lot of production, they will likely                                                               
have  a  lot of  expenses  and  not  much  income; so  they  will                                                               
generate a net operating loss  credit. They will also conceivably                                                               
qualify  for   the  small  producer  credit   ($12  million)  and                                                               
depending on where they are located  (not the North Slope or Cook                                                               
Inlet)  they  could also  get  the  $6  million.  If you  are  an                                                               
incumbent  producer  with  over  100,000  barrels  then  you  are                                                               
essentially looking at the capital  credit or the exploration tax                                                               
as  an alternative  for the  same  expenditures if  you have  net                                                               
operating losses.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  what they  thought the  legislature                                                               
needed to  do to  get existing companies  to continue  to explore                                                               
and to get new entrants to come in.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  answered that  the AS  38.05.180(j) incentive  takes a                                                               
very hard look at the kinds  of economics that can be anticipated                                                               
for a particular project, but  it is not automatic. Sometimes the                                                               
state just  can't offer  enough relief to  make a  difference. In                                                               
the last several  weeks the concern has been raised  by many that                                                               
relief isn't automatic. At least,  a credit involves some kind of                                                               
assurance that the  tax payer will be spending money  in order to                                                               
get money,  and the state is  protected to a certain  extent. But                                                               
of course  they don't  look at  a lot of  these credits  with the                                                               
kind  of eye  that a  AS 38.05.180(j)  application would  have to                                                               
have.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  how Alaska's  credits  compare  to                                                               
other countries and states - for Cook Inlet in particular.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said he couldn't answer  that, but no other  state has                                                               
the kind  of credits the  Alaska DNR has. The  federal government                                                               
offered royalty  incentives for  OCS in the  Gulf of  Mexico, but                                                               
that became quite controversial as prices rose.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  where the standard deduction  would fit on                                                               
their chart.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS answered  that the  standard deduction  is a  means of                                                               
calculating what  the lease expenditures  are and is part  of the                                                               
tax calculation  for arriving  at what  the production  tax value                                                               
is. So they didn't add that as an incentive.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS asked  what the  net effect  is of  the standard                                                               
deduction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered  that the effect is that  you essentially take                                                               
the 2006  level of lease  expenditures for the two  large fields,                                                               
Prudhoe  Bay  and  Kuparuk,  and  lock  those  in  as  the  lease                                                               
expenditure level  that would be  allowed for three years  - with                                                               
it being escalated by roughly 2 percent.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:16:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  if the proximity piece  of the exploration                                                               
tax credits for  the North Slope had been about  right or do they                                                               
require an adjustment.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS  answered  in  terms  of  the  distance  piece,  their                                                               
experience  is that  wells  were drilled,  but  the taxpayer  has                                                               
chosen to  use the  credits that are  available in  some instance                                                               
under   the  capital   expense  credits   because  they   can  be                                                               
immediately cashable or returnable.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGGINS  asked  what the  most  effective  category  for                                                               
exploration in 2010 is for new investment.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered that the last  full tax returns they looked at                                                               
were from  2008 and 91 percent  of the credits that  were applied                                                               
for  and  used against  tax  liabilities  were the  AS  43.55.023                                                               
credits, and approximately 6 percent  were in the exploration tax                                                               
credit regime. The vast bulk of  credits the state is issuing are                                                               
in  the   capital  credits  category.  She   clarified  that  her                                                               
statistics do not include companies  that are currently incurring                                                               
costs that have  no production. She would  expect those companies                                                               
would be more heavily tilted toward the exploration credits.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:18:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  for  their  initial  reactions  to                                                               
President Obama's decision to expand  drilling allowable areas in                                                               
Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said he was still  trying to figure it out exactly what                                                               
it was  that he did.  It appears that  there will be  progress on                                                               
the existing leases  in the Chukchi and Beaufort Seas.  That is a                                                               
good thing, but he remains concerned  that there may be some kind                                                               
of moratorium on future lease  sales until studies are completed.                                                               
The  opportunity  to add  to  your  prospect with  some  expected                                                               
timing as a  lessee begins to explore its  own existing prospects                                                               
is  fairly  important,  and  it's   unfortunate  that  there  may                                                               
actually be a delay.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked  them to let the  committee know when                                                               
he has performed some initial analysis.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS pointed out that a  line drawn from Anchor Point across                                                               
the Cook  Inlet is about where  the OCS begins heading  south. So                                                               
there could very well be an impact starting there.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI thanked them for their comments.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         SB 309-GAS EXPLORATION\DEVELOPMENT TAX CREDIT                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:20:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   announced  SB   309   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:20:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  PAWLOWSKI, Staff  to Senator  McGuire,  clarified that  the                                                               
legislation  was offered  at  the request  of  the Senate  Energy                                                               
Committee and  Senator McGuire. He  started off on  the incentive                                                               
sheet they were  just working off of. SB 309  deals with the area                                                               
under the exploration tax credit in  AS 43.20.043, which is a tax                                                               
credit that  specific to  below the 68th  parallel. It  cannot be                                                               
taken   in   conjunction   with    other   credits   or   royalty                                                               
modifications. So,  it's specific to exploration  within the Cook                                                               
Inlet or  south of the  68th parallel  and is not  stackable with                                                               
the other credits.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  explained  that  SB  309 makes  substantive  changes  to  the                                                               
existing credit  on page 3,  line 25,  that gets towards  the NDR                                                               
Cook  Inlet  study  and  the  recent  Petro  Technical  Resources                                                               
assessment that the utilities prepared.  He explained that one of                                                               
the principles underlying  SB 309 is that the best  place to look                                                               
for  gas  is  probably  within  a gas  field.  In  that  the  old                                                               
exploration incentive tax  credit had to be on land  that had not                                                               
been  under  production  or  had  not  been  explored  for,  this                                                               
actually frees  it up so  that wells  that are drilled  within an                                                               
existing  field  can qualify  for  this  incentive as  well.  The                                                               
incentive is  further modified on  page 2, lines 6-18,  where new                                                               
language was added  that increases the credit from  10 percent to                                                               
25 percent.  This credit is  against corporate income tax  and is                                                               
not against production taxes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAWLOWSKI  said the  third substantive change  is on  page 3,                                                               
lines 10-20.  He explained that  originally this credit  was only                                                               
applicable against 50 percent of  taxpayer's corporate income tax                                                               
obligation and SB 309 removes that  50 percent cap and allows the                                                               
credit to be claimed against the total tax liability.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Finally,  he said,  Sections  7  and 8  extend  the sunset.  This                                                               
particular exploration incentive  tax credit is set  to expire in                                                               
2013 and the  bill extends it to 2020 with  a transitional sunset                                                               
to  2024  for  any  carry-forward credit  against  a  future  tax                                                               
obligation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:24:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked what makes  him think these incentives will                                                               
have an effect.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAWLOWSKI  answered that the  issue in Cook Inlet  is related                                                               
to the production  tax, which isn't very big. On  the other hand,                                                               
corporations  that  are  operating   in  Cook  Inlet  might  have                                                               
substantial corporate  income tax;  so designing this  tax credit                                                               
to apply against that tax  exclusively provides a tool that might                                                               
work for  a corporation  that might  not want to  use one  of the                                                               
other  credits.  Further,  allowing development  of  an  existing                                                               
field rather than  looking outside of the  existing fields really                                                               
is what gets to  the heart of the bill because  that is where gas                                                               
is likely to be found in the near term.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked why  he needs six  lines on  page 2,                                                               
lines 13-18 rather than just changing the 10 to a 25.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAWLOWSKI answered that the  language has to be mirrored from                                                               
lines 4-9  in transitioning from  the original 10  percent credit                                                               
to 25 percent credit.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked what Section 2 does.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS, Deputy  Commissioner,  Department  of Revenue  (DOR),                                                               
explained  that Section  2 is  simply trying  to accommodate  the                                                               
split  in the  two different  tax years,  pre-2010 and  post-2010                                                               
era. One of the  things that is sort of hidden  is you've got the                                                               
split of  the credit  being for  capital investment  - taxpayer's                                                               
qualified  capital investment  and  qualified  services, both  of                                                               
which are defined at the back of this tax section.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:29:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked why  "reserves" is changed to "wells"                                                               
on line 29.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DAVIS   answered  that  this  happened   before  she  became                                                               
associated with the  bill, but one of the attempts  was made that                                                               
relates  to an  effort  to change  the credit  from  one that  is                                                               
success oriented  to one  that gave  a credit  for the  action of                                                               
drilling  the  well  and  doing  the  exploration  regardless  of                                                               
whether they ended up with  a successful commercial producing gas                                                               
well.  They are  moving away  from  reserves to  simply the  well                                                               
being drilled.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PAWLOWSKI said his understanding  is that clerically reserves                                                               
are produced,  but it is a  well that actually produces  gas. The                                                               
language was trying  to get towards that concept, as  well as get                                                               
away from the success concept.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS said  she understood that Legislative  Legal was trying                                                               
to remove  "per" from wherever they  see it. That was  the line 7                                                               
change and then  line 8 removes the 50 percent  cap of the income                                                               
tax liability. So,  now this credit can draw down  the income tax                                                               
liability entirely.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if a  producer produces in Cook Inlet                                                               
and also  has exploration on the  North Slope, is there  is a way                                                               
of writing off these taxes on North Slope production.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS  answered yes; under  the corporate income tax  they do                                                               
not look at different parts of the state; it's all combined.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:31:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS said deleting the  language in Section 4 simplifies the                                                               
concept that a  taxpayer is not entitled to a  credit for capital                                                               
expenditures or  qualified services  made for  activities related                                                               
to  gas  on the  North  Slope.  The original  draft  specifically                                                               
excluded gas from  the North Slope going to  Valdez, which seemed                                                               
to suggest  that gas  from the  North Slope  going to  Canada was                                                               
okay. It became more problematic to fix it than to eliminate it.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if this  whole bill only  applies to                                                               
south of 68 degrees.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS answered that is correct.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if that includes Gubik.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered that Gubik  is significantly north of the 68th                                                               
parallel.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if any  significant development  or                                                               
exploration going on south of 68 degrees.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS answered  that he  knew of  proposals for  exploration                                                               
activities in the Yukon region.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS went to section 5  that adds language that deals with a                                                               
failure  leg.  It  adds  "if   the  exploration  and  development                                                               
activity touch  on gas reserves  regardless of whether  there has                                                               
been commercial  production in  the area" -  in other  words they                                                               
can go  back into a  previously explored  area - "or  whether the                                                               
exploration and  development activity  results in  the production                                                               
of a  well, gas or well  not capable of commercial  production" -                                                               
meaning that  they could  end up  having a  mediocre well  and it                                                               
could still  be covered. Because  of the  use of the  phrase "gas                                                               
reserve" throughout, from the  administration's stand point, they                                                               
will probably  have to lean heavily  on DNR, because she  is left                                                               
with the impression  that if a rank  wildcat-type gas exploration                                                               
well  has no  indication of  gas reserves  and they  drill a  dry                                                               
hole,  the bill  and the  original statute  is written  such that                                                               
they are not accessing or touching  gas reserves. So, in that one                                                               
instance this bill would not seem to apply.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:35:43 PM                                                                                                                    
She said  that section 5  also defines  what is considered  to be                                                               
the  qualified   capital  investment.  There  is   concern  about                                                               
including  "topping plant"  in the  list of  properties breakdown                                                               
within  (c). That  was cleaned  up because  that is  a crude  oil                                                               
process for refining and it simply doesn't belong in a gas bill.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Concern  was also  expressed about  processing units  and whether                                                               
that  included  an LNG  plant.  Technically  from an  engineering                                                               
standpoint it  would, and  so the  House cleaned  that up  by re-                                                               
referencing  that  as gas  processing  and  gas treatment  plants                                                               
(both  downstream  and  upstream  gas processing  that  would  be                                                               
normal things), but excluding LNG or other manufacturing plants.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Another   concern  was   about   a  power   plant  that   powered                                                               
Southcentral  being  subsidized  by   the  corporate  income  tax                                                               
credit. So, that was limited  to power plants necessary for field                                                               
operation.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:37:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS said Section 6 clarifies  when the timing of the credit                                                               
is  being  filed that  was  missing  from the  original  section.                                                               
Sections 7  and 8 clean  up the  last dates the  corporate income                                                               
tax credits can be  used from 2017 to 2024 and  from 2013 to 2020                                                               
(for the credit expiration).                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She said  one question was  raised on  HB 229 about  whether this                                                               
credit could be  used in lieu of the other  credits. And she made                                                               
a  misstatement  there.  When  she   read  the  current  law,  AS                                                               
43.20.043(g) it  states "a  taxpayer who  obtains a  credit under                                                               
this section may  not claim a tax credit  or royalty modification                                                               
provided  under any  other title."  That begs  the question  that                                                               
since this  is contained  in AS 43.20,  and since  the production                                                               
tax is in  AS 43.55, technically it is not  in another title. She                                                               
didn't think  the drafter intended  to alter the  assumption that                                                               
this is not  an additive credit and so "this  or any other title"                                                               
was inserted. And  likewise for the benefit of  the taxpayer, the                                                               
second line  "however a taxpayer  may at the  taxpayer's election                                                               
forego  a credit  under  this  section in  order  to continue  to                                                               
qualify  for  a  credit  provided   for  in  another  title"  was                                                               
inserted.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:39:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if the  administration has a position                                                               
on the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS replied that she didn't know.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:40:16 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREY LOCKHART,  Production Manager, Alaska  Operations, Marathon                                                               
Oil Corporation,  said Marathon's operations are  limited to Cook                                                               
Inlet  and they  have been  operating  there for  over 55  years.                                                               
Marathon  sells  87  mmcf/day  to  all  of  the  current  markets                                                               
available   to  them   including  the   utilities,  Tesoro,   the                                                               
Department of  Defense, and the  LNG plant that is  co-owned with                                                               
ConocoPhillips.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
She explained  that in 2003  several bills were  passed directing                                                               
the  state   to  provide  incentives  for   new  exploration  and                                                               
development activities.  Marathon was particularly  interested in                                                               
HB  61,  which  was  intended   to  incentivize  exploration  and                                                               
development of natural gas reserves  in Cook Inlet.  Regarding SB
309, she said,  one might ask the need to  provide incentives for                                                               
natural gas development in Cook Inlet  and the answer is found by                                                               
considering  the long-term  decline in  natural gas  reserves and                                                               
deliverability  which Cook  Inlet has  experienced. What  must be                                                               
addressed is  whether there  is currently  sufficient exploration                                                               
development  activity to  address such  decline and  reserves and                                                               
deliverability not just  ask simply if Cook Inlet  is running out                                                               
of gas.  At the current  level of  activity, it is  unlikely that                                                               
Cook Inlet reserve additions will  replace annual production on a                                                               
long-term ongoing basis. This is the key.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Such  natural gas  reserves and  deliverability are  at risk  for                                                               
continued decline  resulting in  exposure to unmet  utility needs                                                               
which would impact everyone. The  lack of activity is an artifact                                                               
of historic  oversupply of  natural gas.  With prices  well below                                                               
Lower 48 index  prices create a lack of  incentive for additional                                                               
drilling and  further regulatory  processes and  deterioration in                                                               
market  availability  have  added  to  project  uncertainty.  The                                                               
project economics and market uncertainties  make it difficult for                                                               
projects to compete effectively for finite money.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:42:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LOCKHART  asked what can  be done to ensure  the reliability,                                                               
and said  the answer is  not simple, and includes  several things                                                               
that  are  being  discussed  today   -  storage,  market  access,                                                               
uncertainty and economic projects.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Alaska  projects  are not  considered  solely  on their  absolute                                                               
merits. They  are compared on  a relative scale in  comparison to                                                               
other  world-wide  opportunities  in   which  companies  such  as                                                               
Marathon may  invest. SB 309  intends to level the  playing field                                                               
of investment opportunities  around the world. It is  one part of                                                               
a three-part  puzzle that needs  to be  fixed in order  to ensure                                                               
natural gas reliability. She reiterated  that in order to qualify                                                               
for this  investment tax credit,  the producer must  make capital                                                               
investments adding to  some level of value back to  the state and                                                               
industry just  to cross  the value chain,  which is  necessary to                                                               
meet the overall deliverability needs of Southcentral.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:44:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  LAND, Executive  Vice President,  Land and  Administration,                                                               
Renaissance Alaska,  LLC, and Vice  President, Land  and Business                                                               
Development,  Buccaneer  Energy  Limited   Alaska,  said  he  had                                                               
prepared  remarks specifically  related to  an amendment  that he                                                               
heard was going  to be added to  SB 309 related to  the repeal of                                                               
the future spend requirements under the existing tax credits.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said the amendment hadn't  been introduced                                                               
yet, but he could still comment on it.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAND said  Renaissance is  headquartered in  Houston, Texas,                                                               
and  Buccaneer is  a subsidiary  of Buccaneer  Energy Limited,  a                                                               
publicly traded company in Australia  with an operating office in                                                               
Houston. Renaissance  was formed  in November 2006  and completed                                                               
the initial  funding of  a business plan  that solely  focuses on                                                               
growth  in Alaska,  in particular  Umiat Oil  Field on  the North                                                               
Slope.  Buccaneer   Alaska  is  a  newly   formed  subsidiary  of                                                               
Buccaneer Energy Limited and was  just formed last week to solely                                                               
focus   on   growth  in   Alaska,   particularly   oil  and   gas                                                               
opportunities  in  Cook  Inlet.  They   have  over  80  years  of                                                               
experience worldwide. The team  members have identified, captured                                                               
funding,  and  developed  oil  and   gas  projects  resulting  in                                                               
cumulative  recoverable  reserves  of   over  1  billion  barrels                                                               
equivalent.  Since its  formation, Renaissance  has acquired  BLM                                                               
and  state oil  and gas  leases on  19,000 acres  located on  the                                                               
Umiat Oil  Field, the  National Petroleum  Reserve and  the Gubik                                                               
Gas  Field on  the  North  Slope. Buccaneer  has  entered into  a                                                               
custom sale agreement with Stellar  Oil and Gas to acquire 58,000                                                               
acres located in  the Cook Inlet and Kenai  Peninsula. Since 2006                                                               
Renaissance  has  spent  in  excess  of  $40  million  completing                                                               
exploration  evaluation operations  in the  state. A  significant                                                               
amount of  these funds  were focused  on evaluating  the existing                                                               
oil field at Umiat with a modern 3-D seismic survey.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
The  tax   credit  under  ACES   is  a  significant   reason  why                                                               
Renaissance  remains in  Alaska, he  said, and  they believe  the                                                               
availability  of  those credits  will  play  a critical  role  in                                                               
attracting  the  required investment  to  develop  the Umiat  Oil                                                               
Field.  The tax  credits are  also a  significant reason  for the                                                               
entry of Buccaneer into the  Cook Inlet. To date, Renaissance has                                                               
applied  for a  total of  $19.2 million  in tax  credits and  has                                                               
received $1.3  million from  the state  of Alaska,  $7.45 million                                                               
from the North  Slope tax payers in the sale  of the certificate,                                                               
and  has approximately  $7.6 million  in  certificates that  they                                                               
have been unable to monetize.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAND  repeated that  Umiat is a  known oil  accumulation with                                                               
potential  near-term development.  It has  real potential  and is                                                               
one of the best opportunities to  supply up to 50,000 barrels per                                                               
day to  TAPS in  the near  term. Based on  the work  completed by                                                               
Renaissance and  the state on  the road to these  resources, they                                                               
believe they are on a path to commercializing this gas.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said  it is common for  these types of developments  to have a                                                               
two-to-three lull  in spending as they  incur pre-engineering and                                                               
permitting  of the  project. In  summary, they  both support  the                                                               
increased access, the capital credits  for the new explorers, the                                                               
repeal of AS  43.55.028 (e)(2)(3) as set out in  the amendment to                                                               
Section  8 of  SB  309.  They support  the  repeal that  provides                                                               
greater certainty  for new  investors in  Alaska, and  levels the                                                               
playing field  between new and  existing operators in  Alaska and                                                               
eliminates the  unfair double standard  that they  believe exists                                                               
with the North Slope producers.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:49:49 PM                                                                                                                    
STACY   SHUBERT,  Director,   Intergovernmental  Affairs,   Mayor                                                               
Sullivan, Anchorage,  said she  was testifying  in support  of SB
309  at  the  request  of   Mayor  Dan  Sullivan.  She  said  the                                                               
Municipality of  Anchorage remains concerned about  the declining                                                               
production of  natural gas in  the Cook Inlet specifically  as it                                                               
relates to  decreased deliverability through the  gas system. One                                                               
of the first  orders of business the Mayor acted  on after taking                                                               
office was to create an Energy  Task Force to address the serious                                                               
energy  issues Railbelt  consumers  are faced  with today.  These                                                               
deliverability challenges will  escalate in the next  one to five                                                               
years, and  if not addressed  could result in rolling  black outs                                                               
or  worse.  Both  the  Task  Force  and  the  Mayor  applaud  the                                                               
legislature's  efforts  to  address   these  critical  pieces  of                                                               
legislation that address both incentives  for storage and natural                                                               
gas exploration  and production. The mayor  also acknowledges the                                                               
work of  the Railbelt  utilities who have  been working  with the                                                               
administration on the Energy Watch  Program, a green, yellow, red                                                               
system that  informs customers  to adjust  their behavior  in the                                                               
event  of an  impending  energy crisis.  "Conservation  can be  a                                                               
critical component that  helps us to help ourselves  in the event                                                               
of an immediate threatened energy crisis," she said.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
In  2009 she  said  Anchorage almost  experienced a  catastrophic                                                               
event, and  that is why the  Mayor asked her to  testify today in                                                               
support of the  concepts proposed in SB 309 and  HB 280, the Cook                                                               
Inlet Recovery Act that supports  storage efforts. Gas storage is                                                               
the key to  smoothing out the challenges  posed by deliverability                                                               
peaks on cold winter days.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:52:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI closed  public  testimony and  set SB  309                                                               
aside.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         SB 290-TAX CREDIT TO DRILL WELLS IN COOK INLET                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:52:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   announced  SB   290   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:52:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MARY JACKSON,  staff to Senator  Wagoner, said the tax  credit in                                                               
SB 290  is patterned after  the Oklahoma  land rush and  it deals                                                               
exclusively  with  exploration.  They  call  it  the  Cook  Inlet                                                               
Stampede.  It basically  says that  the first,  second and  third                                                               
explorer that comes  gets a good benefit starting  at 100 percent                                                               
and then going down  to 75 percent and down to  50 percent. It is                                                               
offered  under  the  alternative  tax  credit  for  oil  and  gas                                                               
exploration in Section 1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section 2 of the bill defines  exactly what it is by defining the                                                               
first three  explorers as those drilling  into the sub-Cretaceous                                                               
zone. It  allows for  only one  credit per  explorer and  if more                                                               
than one qualifies  for one event, the  department will determine                                                               
the percentage of  the credit goes to each. A  unique twist is if                                                               
the exploration  results in production in  paying quantities, the                                                               
credits  are required  to be  repaid by  50 percent.  Finally, if                                                               
explorers  come in  and actually  start producing  it strengthens                                                               
the Basin.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  JACKSON reviewed  materials  in the  packet  that include  a                                                               
sponsor  statement,   a  sectional  analysis,  a   memorandum  of                                                               
understanding  from the  Department  of  Revenue (November  2009)                                                               
that said there  was a recent review by the  department, a letter                                                               
of support  from Escopeta Oil,  a stratigraphic map  that depicts                                                               
the zones and a  recent DNR oil and gas activity  map. A March 30                                                               
DOR fiscal note  is indeterminate. She pointed out  that this new                                                               
credit,  if  it's $20  million  and  they would  have  originally                                                               
gotten a 40 percent credit; it's  a difference of 60 percent, not                                                               
the full $20 million.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
She said language  needed to be developed that  clarifies this is                                                               
intended  only   for  offshore  exploration.  State   leases  are                                                               
offshore  in   the  Cook  Inlet  Basin;   therefore,  information                                                               
received from  drilling of the  well becomes public and  DNR gets                                                               
to see it.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:57:18 PM                                                                                                                    
The  DNR  recommended changing  the  sub-Cretaceous  to the  pre-                                                               
Tertiary period.  The third point  talks about the  possible need                                                               
for three credits  for jack-up rigs and  permanent platforms that                                                               
are already there. A fourth is a  question from DOR as to what is                                                               
considered transportation,  although she is  reasonably confident                                                               
that is  addressed. The last  issue was  raised by the  DOR which                                                               
was an  oversight - a 25  percent net operating loss  for capital                                                               
credits -  and nowhere was it  ever intended that anyone  get 125                                                               
percent. So that needs to be clarified.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:58:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  read  a   statement  from  Escopeta  Oil,                                                               
because he thought it was  "pretty amazing." It predicts that the                                                               
Kitchen  Lights Unit  (KLU)  contains  approximately 440  million                                                               
barrels of recoverable  oil and 5 tcf of natural  gas. It goes on                                                               
to  say that  after  platform  and infrastructure  implementation                                                               
there could  be approximately 75,000  million barrels of  oil and                                                               
300 mmcf of gas per day from the KLU anticlinal feature alone.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER  added that  a portion of  the reserves  they are                                                               
talking about  are from  the Sunfish  that ARCO  discovered years                                                               
ago and  didn't produce because the  price went down to  about $9                                                               
barrel.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:00:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. DAVIS  said after conferring  with Kevin Banks,  she believed                                                               
SB 290 would  require DNR and DOR to work  together to administer                                                               
this particular credit. First they  want to make abundantly clear                                                               
that language on page  2, line 6, about the first  to bore a hole                                                               
either implies  that you have  spudded the well (begun  to drill)                                                               
or completed  it. The  joint recommendation would  be to  go with                                                               
the spud date for two reasons:  one, it insures that good quality                                                               
field  practices are  being  applied to  the  drilling well,  and                                                               
second, the spud  date is recorded by date and  hour in the event                                                               
there is competition  between two players. The DNR  would have to                                                               
come  up with  some  sort of  certification  or determination  on                                                               
whether a well results in production in paying quantities.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:02:41 PM                                                                                                                    
KEVIN BANKS,  Director, Division  of Oil  and Gas,  Department of                                                               
Natural Resources (DNR),  explained that the notion  here is that                                                               
you drill  a well into a  target that hasn't been  discovered - a                                                               
sub-Cretaceous  or pre-Tertiary  zone. If  production comes  from                                                               
that zone,  then part of the  credit would be paid  back. He said                                                               
that typically  exploration wells are not  converted in producers                                                               
for  a number  of reasons  relating to  location of  the resource                                                               
when it comes time to produce after further field evaluations.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  he  had  any  public  data  on                                                               
reserves in the sub-Cretaceous zone.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS answered  that they don't know very much  about what is                                                               
in  the sub-Cretaceous  zone;  possibly a  well  in the  McArthur                                                               
River that struck oil at that  depth could qualify, but he didn't                                                               
know if it had ever been produced.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. DAVIS pointed out that if  the first rig that comes into Cook                                                               
Inlet receives  100 percent of its  cost as its credit,  then you                                                               
have essentially achieved the objective  of getting a jack up rig                                                               
into   Cook   Inlet.   Under  the   current   lease   expenditure                                                               
regulations,  the cost  of mobilizing  that rig  to the  State of                                                               
Alaska is  fully allowed  as a lease  expenditure. But  once that                                                               
rig  is  in  Alaska,  they   also  allow  the  deduction  of  the                                                               
demobilization to  other parts  of Alaska, but  not if  it leaves                                                               
Alaska.  Hopefully, she  said,  the  rig should  be  put to  work                                                               
numerous times in Alaska.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:05:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI set SB 290 aside.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
            HB 280-NATURAL GAS: STORAGE/ TAX CREDITS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:06:02 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   announced  HB   280   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration. [CSHB 280(FIN)am was before the committee.]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:06:06 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  MIKE   HAWKER,  sponsor   of  HB  280,   said  it                                                               
specifically addresses  three issues  regarding the needs  of the                                                               
Cook  Inlet:  the   need  for  gas  storage   for  utilities  and                                                               
proprietary  storage  for  managing  inventories,  the  need  for                                                               
additional exploration, and long-term supply contracts.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that the  bigger components  of the  bill encourage                                                               
the development of  gas storage facilities. It  creates the first                                                               
regulatory framework  for those facilities that  don't exist now.                                                               
At  the end  of  the  day they  will  provide a  volumetric-based                                                               
development  credit  based on  certain  criteria  that a  storage                                                               
facility  has to  meet. Any  investment  in storage  in the  Cook                                                               
Inlet is going  to increase the gas to consumers  and is a supply                                                               
chain cost.  The development credit  is intended  specifically to                                                               
be  consumer cost  relief  in that  the credit  is  to be  passed                                                               
through ultimately to consumers.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
As  far  as  encouraging  development  and  further  gas  storage                                                               
Representative Hawker  said he asked  DNR to  expedite permitting                                                               
of  the storage  facilities. It  is important  also to  recognize                                                               
that  while  this  bill  offers the  "pass  through  credit"  for                                                               
development of  gas storage facilities,  for any entity  to avail                                                               
themselves   of  those   credits  they   must  also   accept  RCA                                                               
regulation. This  is an  absolute linkage in  the bill.  The bill                                                               
protects the  ability of individual producers  to develop storage                                                               
for  their own  purposes for  those companies  who want  to build                                                               
proprietary  storage,  but  very   specifically  no  credits  are                                                               
available  for it.  Likewise, the  RCA does  not have  regulatory                                                               
authority  over those  privately owned  proprietary interest  gas                                                               
storage facilities; unlike today.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:11:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  asked him to  identify the sections  that pertain                                                               
to  gas  storage  credits  and  those that  pertain  to  the  RCA                                                               
matters.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:12:11 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER responded  that he  wanted to  present the                                                               
bill's themes  first without reference  to specific  sections and                                                               
then  he would  go  through  a sectional.  He  said  a couple  of                                                               
significant  applications   for  long-term  contracts   were  not                                                               
approved by the  RCA in the past several years.  He asked the RCA                                                               
what it  would need  to approve them,  because in  hindsight they                                                               
would have  been very good  contracts to have approved.  The bill                                                               
directs  the  RCA  now  when  making a  decision  on  a  contract                                                               
application that they  not only have to look at  the specifics of                                                               
the  contract, but  at  the  consequences of  saying  no to  that                                                               
contract. A  number of sections  increase access to  existing tax                                                               
credits for explorers and developers working in the Cook Inlet.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER said  this bill was developed  with a great                                                               
deal of  help from  Larry Persily  (Federal Gasline  Czar), Roger                                                               
Marks (former  Senior DOR Petroleum Economist),  Jan Levy (former                                                               
DOL oil and gas attorney), and Julie Lucky, legislative staff.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:15:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                             HB 280                                                                                             
          Cook Inlet Recovery Act - Sectional Analysis                                                                          
        Prepared by Representative Mike Hawker's Office                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section  1: Sets  out a  short  title for  the legislation:  Cook                                                               
Inlet Recovery Act (CIRA).                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section  2:  Establishes  an application  process,  criteria  and                                                               
timeline  for  the Alaska  Oil  and  Gas Conservation  Commission                                                               
(AOGCC) to  certify that a  gas storage facility (GSF)  meets the                                                               
minimum  working gas  storage capacity  and  daily delivery  rate                                                               
requirements  to   be  eligible  for  the   financial  incentives                                                               
provided in this bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  on page  2, line  10, if  there was                                                               
"any magic"  in selecting 500 mmcf  and on line 13  being able to                                                               
withdraw a minimum of 10 mmcf.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER   answered  they   were  the   product  of                                                               
consensus in  discussions with  the DNR  and DOR.  Initially they                                                               
considered a  bill that  would pay  the credit  up to  double the                                                               
capacity,  but  recognized  this  credit does  not  flow  to  the                                                               
developer; 100  percent of  it flows  through to  consumers. They                                                               
were trying to second-guess the  volume of large capacity storage                                                               
that  will be  developed in  Cook  Inlet, and  the DOR  expressed                                                               
concern that  they wanted the  bill as  close as possible  to the                                                               
perspective development as  possible. It was an effort  to try to                                                               
mitigate  the potential  gaming of  the system.  The idea  of the                                                               
flow-through  volumetrics  indicates  they  don't  want  to  give                                                               
credits  to  someone  building a  storage  facility  that  cannot                                                               
deliver sufficient  gas to  meek their  peak demands.  They might                                                               
consider  expanding the  size of  the  credits once  they see  an                                                               
actual project.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if it's  projected that  Cook Inlet                                                               
would need 10 million mmcf on any cold day.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER  answered that's  the minimum amount  and a                                                               
fairly low  number. They get  400 mmcf/day demand on  really cold                                                               
days. The idea  of the storage facilities is to  meet the peaking                                                               
demands, not the  sustained delivery. Section 2 also  says if you                                                               
cease  using a  storage facility  within the  first 10  years the                                                               
state  has a  recovery  provision on  any  credits provided  that                                                               
would have be refunded by the  developer. The AOGCC would have to                                                               
be notified on those cessations.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER continued the analysis:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:19:46 PM                                                                                                                    
Section  3: Requires  a  GSF owner  to notify  the  AOGCC if  the                                                               
facility ceases operation.                                                                                                      
-Provides definitions for terms used in CIRA.                                                                                   
-Requires the Director of the  Division of Mining, Land and Water                                                               
to give priority  to and expedite "when  reasonably possible" any                                                               
applications,   permits   and   lease  assignments   needed   for                                                               
development and operation of a GSF.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:20:30 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 4: Directs  the Department of Natural  Resources (DNR) to                                                               
waive any state  land lease fees or rents for  the first 10 years                                                               
of  a GSF's  operation.  The  waiver would  stop  if the  storage                                                               
facility ceases commercial operations.                                                                                          
-States that any  waivers of lease fees or rents  would be public                                                               
record.                                                                                                                         
-Requires  that the  GSF pass  on the  financial benefits  of any                                                               
lease exemption to utilities that use its service.                                                                              
-Clarifies that any gas withdrawn from  a GSF is considered to be                                                               
non-native gas  and not subject  to royalty until  all non-native                                                               
gas is withdrawn.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH asked  if the director has  already denied permits                                                               
to producers for their storage wells.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER  answered that  he heard that  DNR's policy                                                               
is  that they  would not  permit storage  facilities unless  they                                                               
were  an  open  access  facility.  As presented  to  him  in  his                                                               
conversations with  Mr. Banks, the  concern is that  more storage                                                               
capacity is needed  right now and smaller producers  may not have                                                               
the financial wherewithal  to build their own. Until  they have a                                                               
very  vibrant  third-party  storage   facility,  the  agency  had                                                               
concluded that it was best  to make all future storage facilities                                                               
open access. To  him, this crossed his line of  a little too much                                                               
government interference and didn't  recognize the reality that he                                                               
sees  in the  Cook Inlet  where the  producers have  the need  to                                                               
manage their  own inventory  (warehousing). For  example, Chevron                                                               
had  substantial  warehousing  capability   in  the  Drift  River                                                               
Terminal  Facility  that sat  at  the  foot  of a  volcano.  That                                                               
storage  facility   has  been  taken  off   line  after  volcanic                                                               
activity. While  it was oil  storage, it is now  interfering with                                                               
their ability to maximize and  sustain ongoing production because                                                               
they don't have a warehouse to put their own product in.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The  same thing  with gas,  he said.  If producers  don't have  a                                                               
place to  store their case,  the state would be  encouraging them                                                               
to  shut   in  gas  and   not  maximize  production.   This  bill                                                               
anticipates seeing proposals for a  very large open access third-                                                               
party owned project in the Cook  Inlet in the near-term, but that                                                               
would deny benefits  to someone who simply wants  to manage their                                                               
own inventory.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:24:37 PM                                                                                                                    
Section  5: Directs  the Regulatory  Commission of  Alaska (RCA),                                                               
when  considering   the  approval  of  a   utility's  gas  supply                                                               
contract, to consider  the impact on consumers  if the commission                                                               
rejects  a utility's  gas supply  contract and  to recognize  the                                                               
value of a utility holding  a diversified portfolio of gas supply                                                               
contracts with  different pricing mechanisms in  order to protect                                                               
consumers from inadequate  gas supplies and the risk  of a single                                                               
pricing mechanism.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER explained  if an  open access  third-party                                                               
owned facility  is constructed on  state land, the lease  fees or                                                               
rents would be  waived for the first 10 years  of that facility's                                                               
operations.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He added that this bill  also provides a regulatory framework for                                                               
"last in,  first out" inventory  accounting in these  new storage                                                               
facilities. This means  the last gas pumped into it  is the first                                                               
gas  that  comes out.  This  is  relevant  because the  last  gas                                                               
(residual  gas to  maintain some  pressure in  the bottom  of the                                                               
well) in  the bottom of the  well has not ever  been produced and                                                               
when it is  produced there will be a liability  and obligation to                                                               
pay production taxes on it.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:27:10 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 6: Requires that a utility's  cost of gas storage that is                                                               
passed on to consumers reflect  the financial benefits of any tax                                                               
credits and state lease exemptions  provided in this legislation.                                                               
It  also stipulates  that a  portfolio representing  diversified-                                                               
terms of gas supply contracts is a good thing.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:28:19 PM                                                                                                                    
Section  7: Specifies  that the  Regulatory Commission  of Alaska                                                               
(RCA)  has   jurisdiction  over  natural  gas   storage  services                                                               
provided for  gas that is owned  by a regulated utility  and that                                                               
any benefits  provided in this  legislation flows through  to the                                                               
consumer.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section  8: Further  defines "natural  gas storage  facility" and                                                               
clarifies what is considered part of the storage facility.                                                                      
-Further defines  that RCA regulation  of gas  storage facilities                                                               
is limited  to facilities operated  primarily or  exclusively for                                                               
third-party   customers;  regulation   does  not   extend  to   a                                                               
proprietary  storage facility  operated exclusively  or primarily                                                               
to hold gas owned by the storage facility owner or operator.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HAWKER explained  that a  potential loophole  was                                                               
discovered by  DNR and  DOR that it  potentially could  be argued                                                               
that  a large  natural gas  pipeline (if  it were  to be  built),                                                               
since it is a vessel capable  of storing gas, someone might argue                                                               
that  it would  fall under  the parameters  of this  legislation,                                                               
which was  not at all  the intent.  So language clarifies  that a                                                               
natural gas storage facility that  is part of a regulated natural                                                               
gas pipeline is not also regulated by the utility.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:29:51 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 9: Clarifies  that the names of taxpayers  and the amount                                                               
of  credits  claimed  for  gas   storage  facilities  under  this                                                               
legislation shall be public information.                                                                                        
-Requires  the  Department  of   Revenue  (DOR)  to  furnish  the                                                               
information to the RCA.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER explained that  this section specifies that                                                               
the RCA does have jurisdiction  over gas storage services for gas                                                               
that  is owned  by a  regulated utility.  They are  looking at  a                                                               
couple  levels of  storage and  in this  case this  gas would  be                                                               
purchased on the  market by a utility that has  developed the gas                                                               
storage  facility  itself.  Other  provisions talk  about  how  a                                                               
third-party facility  that provides services to  a public utility                                                               
is also regulated.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:30:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  asked if  he was referring  to the  definition on                                                               
page 8, lines 18 and 19.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER answered yes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 10:  Establishes a credit against  corporate income taxes                                                               
of  $1.50 per  thousand cubic  feet of  new gas  storage capacity                                                               
opened in Alaska  during 2011-2015. The credit is  limited to $15                                                               
million  per GSF.  This  section sets  out  minimum capacity  and                                                               
deliverability requirements to qualify  for the credit, including                                                               
that the  GSF must  be available for  use by  regulated utilities                                                               
and, if utilizing state land, must  be in compliance with its DNR                                                               
storage lease.  The credit can be  refunded by the state  at full                                                               
value if the  owner does not have enough taxable  income to fully                                                               
utilize it.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER explained this  section picks up the third-                                                               
party customer coverage.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if the  definition of  "natural gas                                                               
storage facility" included the LNG plant in Nikiski.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER  answered as they have  defined the ability                                                               
for  someone to  get  a credit  under  this bill,  it  had to  be                                                               
delivering gas  to consumers.  An export  plant and  facility was                                                               
not contemplated for the benefits.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if they  released some of  their gas                                                               
on the really cold winter days.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER replied anecdotally  he was aware that when                                                               
the  peak demand  of coldest  days had  occurred in  Southcentral                                                               
Alaska in a past couple  of winters, ConocoPhillips, who owns and                                                               
operates that  facility, actually  voluntarily diverted  gas that                                                               
they  had committed  to  export to  customers  overseas into  the                                                               
supply chain for consumers.  Their good-friends relationship with                                                               
their consumers in Asia allowed them to do that.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:34:26 PM                                                                                                                    
Section 11: Sunsets the rule  that limits how certain tax credits                                                               
arising from  activity in  Cook Inlet or  from producing  gas for                                                               
in-state use  are used  on January  1, 2011.  This would  allow a                                                               
Cook Inlet explorer  or producer to explore  or produce elsewhere                                                               
in the state  and have full access to the  credits it earned from                                                               
its Cook Inlet activities. This  section also makes sure that the                                                               
names  of producers  and  amounts  of credit  are  public. It  is                                                               
necessary that the information is available to the RCA.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:35:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI asked if this would be a good place to                                                                    
stop and pick up at a future hearing.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HAWKER answered yes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[HB 280 was held in committee.]                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wielechowski adjourned the meeting at 5:35 p.m.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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