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Consideration of Governor's Appointees:
Big Game Commercial Services-Ely Cyrus-Kiana
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= SB 104 GEOTHERMAL RESOURCES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 104(RES) Out of Committee
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
*+ SB 85 FOREST LAND USE PLANS; TIMBER SALES TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= HB 115 AQUATIC FARMING & HATCHERY SITE LEASES TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS HB 115(RES) Out of Committee
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 121 PFAS USE & REMEDIATION; FIRE/WATER SAFETY TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                          May 3, 2021                                                                                           
                           3:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Joshua Revak, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Scott Kawasaki                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ely Cyrus-Kiana                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 104                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to geothermal resources; relating to the                                                                       
definition of 'geothermal resources'; and providing for an                                                                      
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 104(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 85                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to forest land use plans; relating to forest                                                                   
land use plan appeals; relating to negotiated timber sales; and                                                                 
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 115 AM                                                                                                           
"An Act relating to aquatic farming and hatchery site leases;                                                                   
and requiring the director of the division of lands to provide                                                                  
the legislature with an annual report relating to aquatic                                                                       
farming and hatchery site leases."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SCS HB 115(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 121                                                                                                             
"An Act  relating to  pollutants; relating  to perfluoroalkyl  and                                                              
polyfluoroalkyl  substances;   relating  to  the  duties   of  the                                                              
Department    of   Environmental    Conservation;   relating    to                                                              
firefighting  substances;  relating   to  thermal  remediation  of                                                              
perfluoroalkyl  and polyfluoroalkyl  substance contamination;  and                                                              
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 104                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: GEOTHERMAL RESOURCES                                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/10/21       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/10/21       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
04/09/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/09/21       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/09/21       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/28/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/28/21       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
05/03/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 85                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: FOREST LAND USE PLANS; TIMBER SALES                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/12/21       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/12/21       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
04/28/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/28/21       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
05/03/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 115                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: AQUATIC FARMING & HATCHERY SITE LEASES                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): STORY                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
02/24/21       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/24/21       (H)       FSH, RES                                                                                               
03/04/21       (H)       FSH AT 11:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/04/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/04/21       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
03/09/21       (H)       FSH AT 11:00 AM GRUENBERG 120                                                                          
03/09/21       (H)       Moved HB 115 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/09/21       (H)       MINUTE(FSH)                                                                                            
03/10/21       (H)       FSH RPT 7DP                                                                                            
03/10/21       (H)       DP: VANCE, STUTES, STORY, MCCABE,                                                                      
                         KREISS-TOMKINS, ORTIZ, TARR                                                                            
03/19/21       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/19/21       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/19/21       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/22/21       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/22/21       (H)       Moved HB 115 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/22/21       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/24/21       (H)       RES RPT 4DP 3NR                                                                                        
03/24/21       (H)       DP: SCHRAGE, GILLHAM, HANNAN, PATKOTAK                                                                 
03/24/21       (H)       NR: RAUSCHER, HOPKINS, CRONK                                                                           
03/31/21       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
03/31/21       (H)       VERSION: HB 115 AM                                                                                     
04/07/21       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/07/21       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
04/23/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/23/21       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/23/21       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
05/03/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 121                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PFAS USE & REMEDIATION; FIRE/WATER SAFETY                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): KIEHL                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
04/07/21       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/07/21       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
04/28/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/28/21       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
05/03/21       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ELY CYRUS, Appointee                                                                                                            
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                              
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development                                                                      
Kiana, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Big Game                                                                    
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SEAN CLIFTON, Policy and Program Specialist                                                                                     
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions during the hearing on SB
104.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
BRENT GOODRUM, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided opening remarks on SB 85.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
TIM DABNEY, Acting State Forester and Director                                                                                  
Division of Forestry                                                                                                            
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Delivered a PowerPoint titled "Forest Land                                                                
Use Plans; Negotiated Timber Sales" to introduce SB 85.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CATHY SCHLINGHEYDE, Staff                                                                                                       
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the sectional analysis for SB 121.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KELLY MCLAUGLIN, advocate                                                                                                       
Gustavus PFAS Action Coalition                                                                                                  
Gustavus, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in strong support of SB 121.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN KENNISH, PhD, retired chemist representing                                                                                 
Alaska Community Action on Toxics                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 121.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:31:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   JOSHUA  REVAK   called  the   Senate  Resources   Standing                                                            
Committee meeting  to order  at 3:31 p.m.  Present at the  call to                                                              
order were  Senators Kawasaki,  Stevens,  Kiehl, and Chair  Revak.                                                              
Senator Micciche arrived immediately thereafter.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He reviewed the agenda.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                                        
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                   
               Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:32:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK announced  the  consideration  of governor  appointee                                                              
Ely Cyrus  to the Big Game  Commercial Services Board  (BGCSB). He                                                              
related  the  function of  the  board,  which  is to  license  and                                                              
regulate  the activities  of providers of  commercial services  to                                                              
big  game  hunters.  He  noted Mr.  Cyrus  was  appointed  to  the                                                              
Private  Landholders/Restricted  seat  on  February 17,  2021.  If                                                              
confirmed, his appointment would expire March 1, 2024.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He asked  Mr. Cyrus to  provide a little  background and  tell the                                                              
committee his interest in serving.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:33:31 PM                                                                                                                    
ELY  CYRUS,  Appointee,   Big  Game  Commercial   Services  Board,                                                              
Department  of   Commerce,  Community  and   Economic  Development                                                              
(DCCED), Kiana,  Alaska, stated  he applied  for this  position to                                                              
help protect  the state's  resources and  ensure availability  for                                                              
Alaskans. He  is a lifelong Alaskan  and a pilot who lives  in and                                                              
is familiar  with  Game Unit  23. He has  been an  avid sport  and                                                              
subsistence hunter most  his life. He served as the  chair of Nana                                                              
Development Corporation  for four years and currently  serves as a                                                              
Nana  Regional  Corporation  board  member and  President  of  the                                                              
Native   village   of   Kiana.   For  employment,   he   is   city                                                              
administrator for  the City of Kiana.  His interest in  serving on                                                              
the board  is to help protect  the state's resources  while making                                                              
them available for Alaskans.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK thanked him for being willing to serve.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:35:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK opened  public testimony  on the  appointment of  Ely                                                              
Cyrus to  the Big  Game Commercial  Services Board; finding  none,                                                              
he closed public testimony and asked for a motion.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:35:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  moved that the following named  appointee to the                                                              
Big  Game  Commercial  Services  Board be  forwarded  to  a  joint                                                              
session of the legislature for consideration:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                            
Ely Cyrus - Kiana                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:35:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK found no objection and issued the reminder:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
In accordance  with AS  39.05.080, signing  the reports  regarding                                                              
appointments  to  boards  and  commissions   in  no  way  reflects                                                              
individual  members' approval  or disapproval  of the  appointees;                                                              
the nominations are  merely forwarded to the full  legislature for                                                              
confirmation or rejection.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                  SB 104-GEOTHERMAL RESOURCES                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:36:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  announced the  consideration of  SENATE BILL  NO. 104                                                              
"An  Act  relating  to  geothermal   resources;  relating  to  the                                                              
definition  of  'geothermal  resources';   and  providing  for  an                                                              
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  solicited  a   motion  to  adopt  the  work   draft  committee                                                              
substitute (CS)  and noted that  it only makes changes  to conform                                                              
to Legislative Legal Services' drafting conventions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:36:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  moved  to  adopt   CSSB  104,  work  order  32-                                                              
GS1618\B, as the working document.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:36:45 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK found  no objection  and  version B  was adopted.  He                                                              
noted who was available online to answer questions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:37:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  opened public testimony  on SB 104; finding  none, he                                                              
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He asked if there were amendments.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:37:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE moved conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:38:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:38:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE   explained  that  the  Department   of  Natural                                                              
Resources requested  a language change. On page 3,  line 28 delete                                                              
"authorized" and insert "approved".                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:38:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK removed his objection.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:38:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  asked if the  term "authorize"  on page 2,  line 23                                                              
related to a similar or different issue.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SEAN CLIFTON, Policy  and Program Specialist, Division  of Oil and                                                              
Gas,   Department  of   Natural   Resources,  Anchorage,   Alaska,                                                              
explained  that  the topic  in  Section  6 is  unitization,  which                                                              
involves  an   agreement,  and   the  department  approves   those                                                              
agreements. Using the  term "approved" [on line 28]  as opposed to                                                              
the term  "authorized" is consistent with  the way DNR  uses it in                                                              
statute and regulation.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  asked if the  term "authorize"  on page 2,  line 23                                                              
needed to be changed for the same reason.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CLIFTON thanked  him and requested the committee  also replace                                                              
"authorize" with "approve" on page 3, line 23.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:41:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE   restated  the   motion  to  adopt   Conceptual                                                              
Amendment 1.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT 1 TO SB 104                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 23:                                                                                                           
          Delete "authorize"                                                                                                    
          Insert "approve"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 3, line 28:                                                                                                           
          Delete "authorized"                                                                                                   
          Insert "approved"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:41:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  found no objection  and Conceptual Amendment  1 to SB
104 passed.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK  found no further  amendments, questions,  or comments                                                              
and solicited a motion.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:42:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  moved to  report the CS  for SB 104,  work order                                                              
32-GS1618\B   as   amended,   from   committee   with   individual                                                              
recommendations and attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:42:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  found no objection  and CSSB 104(RES) moved  from the                                                              
Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:42:40 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
           SB 85-FOREST LAND USE PLANS; TIMBER SALES                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:44:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   REVAK   reconvened   the   meeting   and   announced   the                                                              
consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 85 "An  Act relating  to forest                                                              
land  use  plans;  relating  to  forest  land  use  plan  appeals;                                                              
relating  to  negotiated  timber   sales;  and  providing  for  an                                                              
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He noted this was the first hearing.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:45:16 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENT  GOODRUM,   Deputy  Commissioner,   Department   of  Natural                                                              
Resources,  Anchorage, Alaska,  stated  SB 85  seeks to  modernize                                                              
the  processes and  the decision-making  for  timber sales,  which                                                              
will help  grow jobs in Alaska's  timber industry. He  opined that                                                              
SB 85  will result  in more efficient  land-use planning  and more                                                              
predictable  timber  harvests.  Importantly,  SB  85  has  a  zero                                                              
fiscal note, he said.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:46:42 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM  DABNEY,  Acting  State Forester  and  Director,  Division  of                                                              
Forestry,  Department  of Natural  Resources,  Anchorage,  Alaska,                                                              
introduced  SB  85  with  a PowerPoint  titled  "Forest  Land  Use                                                              
Plans;  Negotiated Timber  Sales."  He reviewed  the  presentation                                                              
overview on slide 2, which read as follows:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Presentation Overview                                                                                                      
        • Issue: SE Alaska timber industry is struggling to                                                                     
          survive.                                                                                                              
        • How can we provide and protect timber jobs?                                                                           
             • Step 1: Change negotiated timber sale                                                                            
               statutes to allow local industry to sell all                                                                     
               the timber it harvests, as export if needed.                                                                     
             • Step 2: Provide a stable and predictable                                                                         
               supply of timber to the industry, once a                                                                         
               timber sale has been purchased.                                                                                  
        • Sectional Analysis                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:47:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DABNEY charged  that the U.S. Forest Service  is not providing                                                              
the  supply  of  timber  needed   to  maintain  a  healthy  timber                                                              
industry  in Southeast  Alaska.  Since the  1990s,  the number  of                                                              
timber industry  jobs has  dropped from about  4,000 to  just 325.                                                              
Even those jobs  are now in jeopardy, he said.  Until young growth                                                              
timber  becomes  economically  harvestable   in  about  2030,  the                                                              
industry will struggle to survive.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
He  directed attention  to the  inset map  on slide  4 that  shows                                                              
state  timberland sites  in Southeast  Alaska. It  is just  46,952                                                              
acres  or  0.04  percent  of  the   land  base  in  Southeast.  By                                                              
comparison,  the 16.8  million acre  Tongass  National Forest  has                                                              
about 5.5 million acres of commercial timberland.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DABNEY offered  suggestions  on how  to  protect and  provide                                                              
timber industry jobs  in Southeast. Step 1 would be  to change the                                                              
negotiated  timber sale  statutes to  allow the  industry to  sell                                                              
all the timber  it harvests, including for export.  He pointed out                                                              
that the  current negotiated timber  sale statutes  prohibit local                                                              
timber  purchasers from  selling  logs for  export.  Most must  be                                                              
used for  local manufacture. He  said this is problematic  because                                                              
the timber supply  increasingly has more young growth  and much of                                                              
it  is not  marketable  in Alaska.  Additionally,  the demand  for                                                              
species  such  as hemlock  is  only  in  overseas markets  or  the                                                              
Pacific Northwest.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:50:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.   DABNEY  stated   the  Division   of   Forestry  offers   and                                                              
administers   both  competitive   and  negotiated  timber   sales.                                                              
Negotiated timbers  sales are important  because this  type allows                                                              
the division  to select the timber  purchaser based both  on price                                                              
and the number of local jobs the sale will provide.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS  asked what  hemlock  is  used for  primarily  if                                                              
demand  for  that species  is  only  overseas  markets or  in  the                                                              
Pacific Northwest.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:51:33 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DABNEY answered,  hemlock has a higher moisture  content which                                                              
makes it  less desirable  for dimensional  lumber. Overseas  it is                                                              
used for smaller items such as molding.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DABNEY  turned to slide 7  and explained that the  second step                                                              
to protect and provide  jobs in Alaska is to provide  a stable and                                                              
predictable  supply of  timber to  the  industry once  a sale  has                                                              
been sold. SB 85 provides this protection by reducing appeals.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DABNEY described  the steps listed on slide 8  that lead up to                                                              
awarding a  timber sale. He noted  that public and  agency comment                                                              
is gathered at  each step. Agency comments are  solicited from the                                                              
Department  of   Environmental  Conservation  (DEC),   the  Alaska                                                              
Department  of  Fish and  Game  (ADF&G),  and the  state  historic                                                              
preservation officer.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
The first step is  to develop area and state forest  plans for the                                                              
region.  Second,  each area  office  identifies the  timber  sales                                                              
that are  scheduled over the next  five years. This is  done every                                                              
two years  and the  public has the  opportunity to provide  input.                                                              
The third  step is the best  interest finding (BIF).  The division                                                              
starts  with a preliminary  BIF  and works with  the agencies  and                                                              
public to come to  a final best interest finding.  Once the BIF is                                                              
adopted, the  timber can be sold.  Step four is to  develop forest                                                              
land use  plans (FLUP)  for timber  harvest units.  Not all  FLUPs                                                              
must be issued before  timber is offered for sale.  When the sales                                                              
are  large,  the  FLUPs  are  prepared  in  phases  as  access  is                                                              
created.  He highlighted  that  regional  planning, best  interest                                                              
finding, and forest land use plans are subject to public appeal.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:55:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DABNEY described  the difference  between  the best  interest                                                              
finding and the forest land use plan outlined on slide 9.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
 Best Interest Finding            Forest Land Use Plan                                                                        
 Decision document:               Implements BIF on the ground                                                              
    • Should we sell              • How will the sold                                                                           
     this timber?                     timber be harvested?                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DABNEY  reviewed the  existing requirements  for timber  sales                                                              
on slide 10 that read as follows:                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Agency and public input is gathered at each step of a                                                                      
     timber sale.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
         Timber sales must adhere to the Alaska Forest                                                                          
     Resources and Practices Act (FRPA, AS 41.17), which:                                                                       
        • protects fish habitat,                                                                                                
        • protects water quality, and                                                                                           
        • ensures prompt reforestation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:56:26 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DABNEY  reviewed  slides 11  and 12  that lay  out what  SB 85                                                              
would  do to  help  provide a  stable  and predictable  supply  of                                                              
timber. The slides read as follows:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Under current statute, a timber sale can be appealed                                                                      
     more than once, even after it has been purchased.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
       An appeal on a purchased sale can halt harvesting,                                                                       
     which can be disastrous to a logging company.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     SB 85 ensures that once the decision has been made to                                                                      
     sell the timber, and it has been purchased, no further                                                                     
     administrative appeals can occur.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         Input would still be gathered from public and                                                                          
     agencies.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     SB 85 focuses appeals at the BIF stage, before timber                                                                      
     is sold.                                                                                                                   
        • Provides stable and predictable supply of timber                                                                      
          once sold.                                                                                                            
        • No interruptions of harvest at a subsequent FLUP                                                                      
          stage.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:57:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE   referenced  the  statement  that   demand  for                                                              
species  such as hemlock  is from  an overseas  market that  makes                                                              
molding  or  trim.  He  shared  his  dream  of  Alaska  businesses                                                              
someday employing  Alaskans  to create Alaskan  goods. That  could                                                              
be making trim in  Alaska from Alaskan hemlock. He  asked how that                                                              
could  ever  be  a  reality if  a  forest  product  company  isn't                                                              
encouraged  to invest  in  the machinery  to  make something  like                                                              
trim  in  the  state.  The  finished  product  could  be  exported                                                              
instead of the raw timber.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DABNEY  answered the department  would advocate doing  what it                                                              
can  to keep  the  industry alive  long  enough  to introduce  new                                                              
manufacturing   opportunities  for   hemlock  and  second   growth                                                              
timber.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:59:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if  new manufacturing opportunities  would                                                              
be less likely  after the removal  of the requirement to  use most                                                              
of the timber for local manufacturing.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DABNEY  answered removing that  provision from the  statute is                                                              
not  intended   to  remove  the   option,  it  just   removes  the                                                              
requirement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:00:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS  asked if  reforestation  would  be part  of  the                                                              
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DABNEY   answered  no.  The   Alaska  Forest   Resources  and                                                              
Practices  Act  (FRPA) requires  regeneration  following  harvest,                                                              
but that is not part of the bill.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   STEVENS  asked   who  does   the  work   and  pays   for                                                              
reforestation.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DABNEY   answered  the   land  manger   is  responsible   for                                                              
reforestation.  In  some  places  in  Alaska  reforestation  is  a                                                              
natural process and in others hand planting is required.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS  stressed  the importance  of ensuring that  state                                                              
land is  back in production  as soon as  possible after  it's been                                                              
logged.  He said  he'd like  to  discuss that  further at  another                                                              
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:02:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  said his  question was  about removing  the ability                                                              
for Alaskans  to appeal a forest  land use plan after  the initial                                                              
sale. He noted  the presentation indicates that  DNR will continue                                                              
to  listen to  comments from  the public  and agencies  throughout                                                              
the  process.  However,  if  the  public did  not  think  DNR  was                                                              
meeting its  obligations, there  would be no  process to  stop the                                                              
department once  a phase 5 or 6  forest land use plan  had created                                                              
access in a harvest  unit. He asked how to ensure  that public and                                                              
agency comment remains meaningful.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:03:27 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DABNEY answered  DNR gives  due  deference to  DEC and  ADF&G                                                              
comments that  are within their  purviews. DNR is bound  to comply                                                              
with the  requirements from those  agencies and it must  adhere to                                                              
the Alaska  Forest Practices Act  and the documents  that preceded                                                              
the FLUP.  This includes  the best interest  finding and  the area                                                              
plans, all of which were subject to comment and appeal.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
To the  question about public comment,  he said public  comment is                                                              
solicited  for the  forest  land  use plans  and  the Division  of                                                              
Forestry  has  an  excellent  track record  of  working  with  the                                                              
public  to make  necessary  changes  to the  harvest.  He cited  a                                                              
hypothetical example  of moving a  boundary in a harvest  unit due                                                              
to visual impacts or wind.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL   said  his  concern   is  that  if  there   is  no                                                              
opportunity  for  an  Alaskan  to   appeal  if  they  believe  the                                                              
department has  gotten it wrong,  the objections may be  louder in                                                              
the future.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:06:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  opened public  testimony on SB  85; finding  none, he                                                              
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:06:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  REVAK  announced he  would  hold  SB  85 in  committee  for                                                              
future consideration.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
         HB 115-AQUATIC FARMING & HATCHERY SITE LEASES                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:06:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK announced  the consideration of HOUSE BILL  NO. 115 am                                                              
"An  Act relating  to aquatic  farming and  hatchery site  leases;                                                              
and requiring  the director  of the division  of lands  to provide                                                              
the  legislature  with  an  annual   report  relating  to  aquatic                                                              
farming and hatchery site leases."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[The  committee  adopted  the  SCS  for HB  115,  work  order  32-                                                              
LS0299\O, during the 4/23/21 hearing.]                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:07:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  opened public testimony  on HB 115; finding  none, he                                                              
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REVAK listed  the individual available to  answer questions.                                                              
Finding no questions or comments, he asked for a motion.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:08:03 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  moved to report the  SCS for HB 115,  work order                                                              
32-LS0299\O,  from committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                              
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:08:20 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  found no objection  and SCS HB 115(RES)  was reported                                                              
from the Senate Resources Standing Committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:08:38 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        SB 121-PFAS USE & REMEDIATION; FIRE/WATER SAFETY                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:10:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   REVAK   reconvened   the   meeting   and   announced   the                                                              
consideration  of  SENATE  BILL   NO.  121  "An  Act  relating  to                                                              
pollutants;   relating  to   perfluoroalkyl  and   polyfluoroalkyl                                                              
substances;  relating   to  the   duties  of  the   Department  of                                                              
Environmental Conservation;  relating to firefighting  substances;                                                              
relating   to   thermal   remediation    of   perfluoroalkyl   and                                                              
polyfluoroalkyl  substance  contamination;  and providing  for  an                                                              
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:11:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL,  speaking  as  sponsor  of  SB  121,  stated  this                                                              
legislation deals  with per- and polyfluoroalkyl  substances, more                                                              
commonly known  as PFAS. These chemicals  have been around  a long                                                              
time,  both  because  they  are   effective  in  firefighting  and                                                              
because they do  not break down once they are in  the environment.                                                              
They  are   referred  to  as   forever  chemicals  and   they  are                                                              
particularly  hazardous  to  human   health.    He  continued  the                                                              
introduction  paraphrasing  excerpts   of  the  following  sponsor                                                              
statement:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Per- and polyfluoroalkyl  substances (PFAS) are  a group                                                                   
     of chemicals  harmful to human  health. They  are linked                                                                   
     to  serious   health  conditions  including   low  birth                                                                   
     weight,  thyroid  disease,  and cancer.  Low  levels  of                                                                   
     exposure  are  common  because  PFAS  can  be  found  in                                                                   
     products   from   non-stick   cookware   to   waterproof                                                                   
     jackets.   But   large-scale  exposures   happen   where                                                                   
     certain   firefighting   foams    or   other   compounds                                                                   
     containing  PFAS seep  into  drinking  water and  linger                                                                   
     for years.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska's   Department  of   Environmental   Conservation                                                                   
     declared  PFAS hazardous substances  several years  ago.                                                                   
     Senate  Bill 121  sets health-protective  limits on  the                                                                   
     amount of  PFAS in drinking  water. The bill  guarantees                                                                   
     Alaskans  in areas  with a  lot of PFAS  will get  clean                                                                   
     drinking  water  and  their  blood  levels  checked.  To                                                                   
     prevent  future  pollution,   SB  121  bans  PFAS  foams                                                                   
     starting  late   in  2021  when  the   Federal  Aviation                                                                   
     Administration  stops  forcing   airports  to  use  them                                                                   
     (unless some other federal law preempts.)                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Because  there  is  no  effective  alternative  for  the                                                                   
     intensity of  fire threat oil  & gas operations  face at                                                                   
     refineries  or the Trans  Alaska Pipeline terminal,  the                                                                   
     bill  carves  out  an  exemption  for  those  producing,                                                                   
     transporting,  or refining oil  and gas until  the State                                                                   
     Fire   Marshal   determines    an   effective   non-PFAS                                                                   
     substance could do the job.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  stated SB  121 lists the  six PFAS chemicals  about                                                              
which  the most is  known and  sets protective  standards  for how                                                              
much can  be in drinking  water without  danger to Alaskans.  This                                                              
is not about site  cleanup; it is about the water  that comes from                                                              
taps  and wells.  The  bill  stops  additional discharge  of  PFAS                                                              
chemicals  into the environment  except where  they are  federally                                                              
required.  For  spills that  may  impact  drinking water,  SB  121                                                              
maintains the  current state standard  that requires  the polluter                                                              
to pay.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL highlighted  that  the bill  requires  DEC to  take                                                              
from  Alaskans  each year  up  to  25 gallons  of  PFAS-containing                                                              
concentrates.  There  is no  intention  for the  state  to be  the                                                              
recipient of all  the PFAS in the state, but this  will help small                                                              
villages  that have received  a lot  of PFAS  from the  state over                                                              
the  years,  but  do  not have  the  funds  to  dispose  of  these                                                              
hazardous chemicals.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:16:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL mentioned  the  fiscal note  and  pointed out  that                                                              
there  would  be  costs associated  with  PFAS  whether  the  bill                                                              
passes  or not.  He  highlighted  that the  state  has joined  the                                                              
growing  list  of   states  that  have  filed   suit  against  the                                                              
manufacturer  to help recover  some of  what it  will cost  to get                                                              
clean drinking water  for Alaskans because these  chemicals are in                                                              
the  environment.   He  described  SB   121  as  a   balanced  and                                                              
responsible  approach  to  end  new  PFAS  contaminations  and  to                                                              
ensure  clean  drinking  water  for those  whose  water  has  been                                                              
contaminated.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:17:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHY  SCHLINGHEYDE,  Staff,  Senator Jesse  Kiehl,  Alaska  State                                                              
Legislature,  Juneau,  Alaska, presented  the  sectional  analysis                                                              
for SB 121 that read as follows:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
       Sec. 1 of the bill creates five new sections in AS                                                                       
     46.03:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 46.03.340: Standards for Clean Drinking                                                                            
        Water & Blood Testing                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.340(a):   Directs  the  Department   of                                                                   
          Environmental     Conservation    to   make    sure                                                                   
          drinking   water  near  PFAS   spills  is  tested.                                                                    
          Requires   the  department  to  make  sure  anyone                                                                    
          with  contaminated   drinking   water  gets  clean                                                                    
          drinking  water  and  a voluntary  blood  test  for                                                                   
          PFAS levels.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.340(b):   Sets  health-based   maximum                                                                    
          levels  of  contamination  in  drinking  water  for                                                                   
          seven   PFAS   chemicals   and   maintains   DEC's                                                                    
          authority to set more protective thresholds.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.340(c):  Requires  DEC to  make sure  a                                                                   
          responder  exposed  to PFAS  contamination  gets  a                                                                   
          voluntary blood test for PFAS levels.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 46.03.345: Who is responsible for providing                                                                        
        drinking water and blood testing?                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.345(a):   Clarifies  the  causer  of  a                                                                   
          fire  is  liable  for  providing   drinking  water                                                                    
          and  blood  testing  if  PFAS-containing   foam  is                                                                   
          used  to  fight  the fire.  Creates  an  exemption                                                                    
          for  residential  fires and  non-commercial  motor                                                                    
          vehicle fires.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.345(b):   A  fire  department   is  not                                                                   
          liable  for  providing  drinking  water  and blood                                                                    
          testing,  or  site  clean-up  if  they  used PFAS-                                                                    
          containing  foam  to  fight a  fire.  This section                                                                    
          maintains  existing  liability  for  fire fighters                                                                    
          if  they use  PFAS-containing   foam  for training                                                                    
          or testing.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.345(c):  Clarifies  this  bill doesn't                                                                    
          change    a    responsible    party's    liability                                                                    
          described elsewhere in DEC statutes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.345(d):  Defines  "motor  vehicle"  and                                                                   
          "residential   building"   for  purposes   of  this                                                                   
          section.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.   46.03.350:    Who   can    still   use    PFAS                                                                   
        containing foams?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.350(a):  The  oil  & gas  industry  may                                                                   
          continue  using  PFAS  containing  foams  until  an                                                                   
          alternative is approved through regulation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.   46.03.350(b):    The   fire   marshal    can                                                                   
          determine there is a safe and effective PFAS-                                                                         
          free  foam for  fighting  large  oil or  gas fires                                                                    
          only  if  the  alternate   foam  is  listed  by  an                                                                   
          organization   in  OSHA's  Nationally   Recognized                                                                    
          Testing  Laboratory   Program.  The  fire  marshal                                                                    
          must  require  the new  foam  by regulation,   with                                                                   
          a stated effective date.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.350(c):    DEC  must  take   up  to  25                                                                   
          gallons     per    year     of    PFAS-containing                                                                     
          firefighting foam from Alaskans for disposal.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Sec.  46.03.350(d):  When  federal  law  no longer                                                                    
          requires  firefighting   foams  with PFAS  in  them                                                                   
          at  airports,  everyone   outside  the  oil  &  gas                                                                   
          industry    must   stop   using   PFAS-containing                                                                     
          foams,  unless  federal law  preempts  Alaska law.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.  46.03.355:   Requires   a  facility   treating                                                                    
        PFAS through  thermal  remediation   to get  a Clean                                                                    
        Air Act Title V permit.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 46.03.359:  Lists  the  PFAS compounds  covered                                                                    
        by this   bill  and maintains   DEC's  authority   to                                                                   
        list more.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
       Sec. 2 of the bill adds applicability provisions:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.  2(a):  A  responder  exposed   to  PFAS  on  or                                                                   
        after  Jan. 1,  2019  is  eligible  for a  voluntary                                                                    
        blood test.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.  2(b):  The   requirements   to  test  drinking                                                                    
        water  and  provide   clean  drinking  water   and  a                                                                   
        voluntary  blood  test applies  to  past  and future                                                                    
        PFAS contamination.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Secs. 3-6 of the bill add effective dates:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.  3:  DEC  can  adopt  regulations   before   the                                                                   
        effective  date  of the  bill,  so  long as  they  do                                                                   
        not go into effect before the bill.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 4:  Effective  date  of  Oct.  4, 2021  for  the                                                                   
        ban on PFAS-containing foam.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.   5:   Immediate   effective    date   for   the                                                                   
        applicability  and  transition  language   in Sec.  2                                                                   
        & 3.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 6:  The  rest  of the  bill  takes  effect  Jan.                                                                   
        2, 2022.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:21:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   STEVENS    mentioned   the   PFSAS   contamination    in                                                              
Yakutat  and  asked  how  widespread  PFAS  contamination   is  in                                                              
Alaska and if any alternatives were available.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:21:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL answered  the contamination is very  widespread. The                                                              
federal government  has required every airport that  lands jets to                                                              
have these  fire-fighting foams on  hand. Fortunately, not  all of                                                              
these airports  have a  source of drinking  water nearby,  but the                                                              
airports  in  Yakutat,   Gustavus,  Dillingham  and   some  others                                                              
certainly  are affected.  He noted  that  the legislature  several                                                              
years ago  funded DEC to conduct  tests in certain areas.  He said                                                              
he  believes  the  department  will  find  significant  additional                                                              
areas of contamination.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
As to  alternatives, he said much  of the European  Union requires                                                              
fluorine-free  foams for firefighting  and there  is a  great deal                                                              
of research  on new alternatives being  done in the U.S.  He noted                                                              
that  the  Alaska  state  fire marshal  is  training  and  staying                                                              
abreast  of  developing  technologies,  some  of  which  are  very                                                              
promising.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS observed  that Alaska was not yet  in the position                                                              
to require an alternative such as fluorine-free foams.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  replied it  is  important  to know  that,  because                                                              
there  are highly  effective  alternatives,  the Federal  Aviation                                                              
Administration (FAA)  is ending its requirement for  PFAS foams to                                                              
be  kept on  site at  airports. He  added that  his office  worked                                                              
with the  Alaska Oil and Gas  Association (AOGA) in  particular to                                                              
carve out  an exception  for the  oil and  gas industry  in Alaska                                                              
until there is a viable alternative.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:24:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK announced invited testimony.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:24:45 PM                                                                                                                    
KELLY  MCLAUGLIN,   advocate,  Gustavus  PFAS   Action  Coalition,                                                              
Gustavus,  Alaska,  stated  she  first  became aware  of  PFAS  in                                                              
August 2018 when  DEC notified her that the water  at the Gustavus                                                              
School and several  wells near the airport were  contaminated with                                                              
PFAS.  Her  subsequent research  revealed  that  PFAS  are a  very                                                              
large and  widespread group of  toxic chemicals about  which there                                                              
is insufficient  information  and protection.  The water  from her                                                              
well is  unsafe for humans  or animals to  drink or use and  it is                                                              
unsafe  on  the garden;  the  water  at  the school  is  similarly                                                              
unsafe.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCLAUGLIN  described SB 121 as  a step in the  right direction                                                              
to protect  the health of Alaskans.  The bill is  about protecting                                                              
water  but ultimately  the  wild places  where  Alaskans live  and                                                              
hunt  and harvest  need  protection  from these  toxic  chemicals.                                                              
They do not break  down and remediation is difficult.  She pointed                                                              
out that  taking action  to eliminate  the use  of PFAS  chemicals                                                              
will  save the  state money  in the  future. She  noted that  many                                                              
states  are more  proactive  in  regulating PFAS  as  a class  and                                                              
capping levels at about 20 parts per million.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MCLAUGLIN  reported that  the Gustavus  PFAS Action  Coalition                                                              
has  worked  with  Indiana University  and  the  Alaska  Community                                                              
Action  on   Toxics  (ACAT)   and  learned   there  is   a  direct                                                              
correlation between  PFAS levels in  the water and PFAS  levels in                                                              
the  blood of  those whose  water  source has  been affected.  She                                                              
concluded that  SB 121 offers the  opportunity to remedy  what she                                                              
calls mass poisoning of Alaskans.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:29:42 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN KENNISH, PhD,  Alaska Community Action on  Toxics, Anchorage,                                                              
Alaska, stated  he is a retired  chemist who taught  chemistry for                                                              
36 years. He was  asked to represent ACAT in this  hearing because                                                              
of his research  at the Oregon Health Sciences  Center on specific                                                              
flame  retardants used  on children's  pajamas called  halogenated                                                              
hydrocarbons.  These compounds  produce  free  radicals when  they                                                              
start to  burn that  react with oxygen  radicals that  are present                                                              
and stop  the fire  "nearly in  its tracks."  In this  application                                                              
they are  extremely effective. The problem  is they have  a lot of                                                              
toxicity. He  explained that in  this context, toxicity has  to do                                                              
with  the  response in  the  human  body  to the  chemicals.  They                                                              
affect the genetic  composition of the body as well  as the immune                                                              
system, the result of which is extreme health issues.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR.  KENNISH  lauded  the  caliber  of SB  121  and  stressed  the                                                              
importance of  applying it  to help the  average Alaskan  in terms                                                              
of exposure and the quality of water they drink.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEVENS   asked  Dr.  Kennish  if  he   agreed  with  Ms.                                                              
McLaughlin's comment that this is a step in the right direction.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. KENNISH  answered yes it is  the best statement at  this time.                                                              
He added  that it  is unfortunate,  but these  problems are  long-                                                              
lived,  and it  will  likely take  years  to  find an  appropriate                                                              
solution  to the  chemical  structure in  replacement  retardants.                                                              
Speaking as a chemist,  he said it is ridiculous  that states have                                                              
to  deal  with  an  issue that  the  federal  government  and  the                                                              
manufacturers should have addressed years ago.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:33:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK  asked at  what concentration  these chemicals  become                                                              
toxic to humans.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  KENNISH  answered  the  human   cellular  response  to  these                                                              
materials  is  at  extremely  low  concentrations,  which  is  why                                                              
decontamination efforts are so difficult.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR REVAK found  no further questions or comments  and announced                                                              
he would hold SB 121 in committee for further consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:35:36 PM                                                                                                                    
There  being  no  further  business  to  come  before  the  Senate                                                              
Resources Standing  Committee, Chair  Revak adjourned  the meeting                                                              
at 4:35 p.m.                                                                                                                    

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SB 104 SRES Conceptual Amendment #1.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
SB 104
SB 85 Briefing Paper 4.27.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 85 Sectional Analysis Version A 2.17.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 85 Fiscal Note DNR 2.10.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 85 Sponsor Statement 2.11.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 85 Support Letter Aurora Engergy Solutions 4.27.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 85 Presentation Timber Sales 4.28.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Amendment G.1-Kiehl 4.27.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Executive Summary - Michigan Report on PFAS Health Effect.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 EPA PFAS Information Sheet.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 ATSDR PFAS Information Sheet.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Fiscal Notes 1-4 DEC and DOT-PF dated 4.23.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Letter from Great Northwest, Inc 2021-04-26.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 PFAS Reference Sheet.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Sectional Analysis ver. A.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Sponsor Statement.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Letters of Support-Organizations 5.2.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SB 121 Letters of Support-Personal 5.2.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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SRES BGCS Gov Appointee-Ely Cyrus 5.3.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
SRES BGCS Gov Appointee Ely Cyrus 5.3.21
SB 121 Letters of Support printed 6.2.21.pdf SRES 5/3/2021 3:30:00 PM
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