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08/28/2020 03:00 PM RESOURCES

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03:03:01 PM Start
03:04:11 PM Confirmation Hearing(s)
05:38:28 PM Adjourn
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+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Board of Fisheries
- John Jensen
- McKenzie Mitchell
- Abe Williams
- John Wood
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         ANCHORAGE LIO                                                                                        
                        August 28, 2020                                                                                         
                           3:03 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Peter Micciche, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator John Coghill, Vice Chair (via teleconference)                                                                           
Senator Click Bishop (via teleconference)                                                                                       
Senator Cathy Giessel (via teleconference)                                                                                      
Senator Joshua Revak (via teleconference)                                                                                       
Senator Scott Kawasaki (via teleconference)                                                                                     
Senator Jesse Kiehl (via teleconference)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                                     
John Jensen - Petersburg                                                                                                        
McKenzie Mitchell - Fairbanks                                                                                                   
Abe Williams - Anchorage                                                                                                        
John Wood - Willow                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN JENSEN, Appointee                                                                                                          
Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as an appointee to the Alaska                                                                   
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ABE WILLIAMS, Appointee                                                                                                         
Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Testified as  an  appointee  to the  Alaska                                                             
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MCKENZIE MITCHELL, Appointee                                                                                                    
Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Testified as  an  appointee  to the  Alaska                                                             
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JOHN WOOD, Appointee                                                                                                            
Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Willow, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  Testified as  an  appointee  to the  Alaska                                                             
Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BEN MOHR, Executive Director                                                                                                    
Kenai River Sportfishing Association                                                                                            
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
all appointees to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ROLAND MAW, Executive Director                                                                                                  
United Cook Inlet Drift Association                                                                                             
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Stated concern that coastal  Alaska is under                                                             
represented on the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SERENA FITKA, Executive Director                                                                                                
Yukon River Drainage Fishing Association                                                                                        
Valdez, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of all appointees to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REBECCA KNIGHT, representing self                                                                                               
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
Mr. Jensen  to the Alaska  Board of Fisheries, and  in opposition                                                               
to  the  appointment of  Mr.  Williams  to  the Alaska  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL ALLEN, representing self                                                                                                 
Chignik, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
Mr. Wood, Ms.  Mitchell, and Mr. Williams to the  Alaska Board of                                                               
Fisheries, and in opposition to  the appointment of Mr. Jensen to                                                               
the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN DOHERTY, Executive Director                                                                                               
Southeast Alaska Seiners Association                                                                                            
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
Mr. Jensen  to the Alaska  Board of Fisheries, and  in opposition                                                               
to the  appointment of Ms.  Mitchell, Mr. Williams, and  Mr. Wood                                                               
to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BROOKE WOODS, representing self                                                                                                 
Rampart, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of all appointees to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DOROTHY SHOCKLEY, representing self                                                                                             
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
Mr. Jensen  to the Alaska  Board of Fisheries, and  in opposition                                                               
to the  appointment of Mr.  Williams, Ms. Mitchell, and  Mr. Wood                                                               
to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KAREN MCGAHAN, representing self                                                                                                
Nikiski, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
Mr. Jensen to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NORMAN VAN VACTOR, President/CEO                                                                                                
Bristol Bay Economic Development Corporation                                                                                    
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ROY SMITH, representing self                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BROOKE DELKITTIE, representing self                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MARGIE OLYMPIC, representing self                                                                                               
Newhalen, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LINDSAY LAYMAND, representing self                                                                                              
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
EMME WILLIAMSON, representing self                                                                                              
Olympia, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
HOLLY WISOCKI, representing self                                                                                                
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
THOREY MUNRO, representing self                                                                                                 
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JORDAN DYER, representing self                                                                                                  
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TAYLOR LAYLAND, representing self                                                                                               
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JAN CONITZ, representing self                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
KATHERINE CARSCALLES, representing self                                                                                         
Dillingham, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE RILEY, representing self                                                                                              
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
BILLIE HOFFMAN, representing self                                                                                               
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE BURSCH, representing self                                                                                             
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
ALANAH HURLEY, Executive Director                                                                                               
United Tribes of Bristol Bay                                                                                                    
Clark's Point, Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to  the appointment                                                             
of Mr. Williams to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GALE VICK, representing self                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the  appointment of                                                             
Ms. Mitchell to the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:03:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  PETER  MICCICHE  called   the  Senate  Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:03  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  Bishop (via  teleconference),  Revak  (via                                                               
teleconference),   Kiehl  (via   teleconference),  Giessel   (via                                                               
teleconference), and  Chair Micciche. Senator Coghill  joined the                                                               
meeting, via teleconference, soon thereafter.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                                        
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S)                                                                                 
                   Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:04:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   MICCICHE   announced   the  consideration   of   governor                                                               
appointments  to  the Alaska  Board  of  Fisheries. He  said  the                                                               
committee  has  a  quorum present  to  conduct  the  confirmation                                                               
hearings. No official voting business will occur.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE  noted that the  committee received 400  emails on                                                               
the  subject of  the  confirmations and  thanked  the public  for                                                               
participating.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE explained that the  Senate Resources Committee did                                                               
not have  an opportunity to  go through confirmations  because of                                                               
COVID-19.  He advised  that once  the governor  appoints someone,                                                               
the constitution allows the individual  to have full powers until                                                               
the full  legislature votes to  confirm or reject them.  He added                                                               
that he  did not know if  the legislature is getting  together to                                                               
deal with confirmations in joint session.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:05:11 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MICCICHE  detailed  that the  Alaska  Board  of  Fisheries                                                               
consists of seven members serving  three-year terms with the main                                                               
role to conserve and develop  the fishery resources of the state.                                                               
The board  sets seasons,  bag limits, methods  and means  for the                                                               
state's  subsistence,   commercial,  sport,  guided   sport,  and                                                               
personal use fisheries.  The board is also  involved with setting                                                               
policy and direction for the  management of the state's fisheries                                                               
resources.   The  board   makes  allocated   decisions  and   the                                                               
department  is   responsible  for   management  based   on  those                                                               
decisions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
He  disclosed that  he is  a  member of  three of  the four  user                                                               
groups:   Cook   Inlet   commercial   fisherman,   sportfisherman                                                               
throughout the state, and personal use fisherman.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE  invited Mr. Jensen  to make an  opening statement                                                               
regarding his qualifications and interest  in serving Alaska as a                                                               
member of the board.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:07:07 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN JENSEN,  Appointee, Alaska  Board of  Fisheries, Petersburg,                                                               
Alaska, testified as  an appointee to the board. He  said he is a                                                               
lifelong  Alaskan commercial  fisherman  and owner  of a  company                                                               
that   specializes  in   self-guided   recreational  boating   in                                                               
Petersburg.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
He detailed  that Governor Murkowski  appointed him to  the board                                                               
in 2001  and he has  served for  18 years. He  said he is  also a                                                               
member  of  the  North  Pacific Anadromous  Fish  Commission  and                                                               
presently sits on the North Pacific Fishery Management Council.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE noted  that the  legislature strives  for balance                                                               
between various user  groups on the board, even though  it is not                                                               
in  statute. He  asked Mr.  Jensen how  he views  his appointment                                                               
regarding the  current balance  of the board  and if  he supports                                                               
that balance.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:09:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENSEN replied he thinks the  goal of all board members is to                                                               
provide  a sustainable  fishery for  the citizens  of Alaska,  no                                                               
matter where  the board member is  from. The job of  the board is                                                               
to give  the fisheries back to  the children of Alaska  intact or                                                               
better  than when  the  state received  them.  Board members  are                                                               
doing  well  if  they  are  fair in  their  decisions,  read  the                                                               
materials, and know what they are talking about.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked if he  feels that the board meetings provide                                                               
equal  representation  for  the public  versus  special  interest                                                               
groups.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:10:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JENSEN answered that the beauty  of the board process is that                                                               
it is  an outright public  process, which differs from  the North                                                               
Pacific Fishery  Management Council.  There are  special interest                                                               
groups that  come to  board meetings, but  everybody gets  a fair                                                               
shot at being heard.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE  noted that  Alaska has gone  through a  season of                                                               
several stressed fisheries and asked  how the board process could                                                               
be adjusted to lean more  towards sustainability and less towards                                                               
allocation decisions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN commented  on the  slumps in  various fisheries  that                                                               
have been  outside the norm and  said more research is  needed to                                                               
figure out  what is going  on. Stressed fishery  culprits include                                                               
climate  change, warm  water  events,  and nonindigenous  species                                                               
preying on the fish.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:14:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MICCICHE   announced  that  Senator  Kiehl   has  been  in                                                               
attendance online.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  asked Mr. Jensen for  the board's view on  how the                                                               
Pacific  Salmon Treaty  process is  working and  if the  state is                                                               
getting the results it needs.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN said  getting  two countries  and  several states  to                                                               
agree is  difficult, but they  are doing  the best they  can with                                                               
the fluctuation  in the  fish populations. The  treaty is  for 10                                                               
years and it  takes 4 or 5  years to get a  treaty. Things change                                                               
so much over a 10-year period that staying on task is hard.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:16:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  asked if  the board has  ever discussed  taking a                                                               
cradle-to-grave approach to managing fish.  He noted that in Cook                                                               
Inlet  neighbors fight  neighbors  over the  remaining scraps  of                                                               
fish,  but  the board  does  not  have  meetings that  deal  with                                                               
interception or  allocation from  the Bering  Sea to  the Susitna                                                               
River.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JENSEN  replied  the  board  does  talk  about  bycatch  and                                                               
intercepted fisheries  more and  more as the  different fisheries                                                               
struggle.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE thanked  Mr. Jensen  for attending  the committee                                                               
meeting and for his honorable service on the board.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE invited Mr. Williams  to make an opening statement                                                               
regarding his qualifications and interest  in serving Alaska as a                                                               
member of the board.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:19:34 PM                                                                                                                    
ABE WILLIAMS,  Appointee, Alaska  Board of  Fisheries, Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, testified  as an appointee to  the board. He said  he was                                                               
born in King Salmon, is  a fourth-generation commercial fisherman                                                               
in Bristol Bay, and has resided in Anchorage since 2010.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He  disclosed that  he started  working in  2010 as  a consultant                                                               
with the Pebble  Partnership and currently holds  a position with                                                               
the  organization as  Director of  Regional Affairs.  He provided                                                               
the committee with  his private and public  service background in                                                               
the Bristol Bay region. He noted  that he owns a service industry                                                               
business for the  Bristol Bay fleet. Additionally, he  is an avid                                                               
outdoorsman,  sportfisherman, and  partakes  in  personal use  or                                                               
subsistence use fisheries.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:21:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MICCICHE   noted  Mr.   Williams'  extensive   resume  and                                                               
expressed  appreciation  for  his  willingness to  serve  on  the                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GIESSEL  asked  Mr.  Williams to  summarize  why  he  is                                                               
interested in serving on the board.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS  replied that  his  interest  is  to be  an  active                                                               
participant  and  to   work  with  other  members   to  assure  a                                                               
sustainable   fishery  throughout   Alaska,  while   achieving  a                                                               
consensus  on regulation  and conservation  that makes  sense for                                                               
generations to come.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  asked what  important changes  he would  like to                                                               
see to the board process.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:23:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WILLIAMS answered  that he does not  have any recommendations                                                               
for changes. He  said he likes that the board  process is open to                                                               
the public.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  for an  explanation  of his  answer on  the                                                               
application form about possible  conflicts. The specific question                                                               
read,  "Is it  possible that  you or  any member  of your  family                                                               
might benefit financially by decisions?"  He pointed out that Mr.                                                               
Williams answered "no" even though  he owns fishing permits and a                                                               
commercial fishing service business.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:26:06 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WILLIAMS answered that anything  that pertains to the Bristol                                                               
Bay fishery  would conflict him  out and  that is the  reason for                                                               
answering "no" to  the question. He said  he recognizes conflicts                                                               
rather  quickly and  has always  noted them.  It is  a matter  of                                                               
personal integrity.  He added that  he has always made  sure that                                                               
he was not part  of a bigger issue and was more  of a solution to                                                               
any problem.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL said recusal is important.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
He asked Mr.  Williams to clarify an op-ed piece  that he wrote a                                                               
year-and-a-half  ago where  he seemed  to  suggest that  seasonal                                                               
jobs were not  valuable. The op-ed was  specifically about public                                                               
process and  his day-job employer  and the quote was,  "Jobs mean                                                               
year-round jobs."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS  answered that he did  not think that he  ever meant                                                               
to take  away from the  valuable nature of seasonal  jobs. Alaska                                                               
is full  of seasonal  jobs, but the  Pebble Partnership  is about                                                               
year-round jobs. Southwest  Alaska is a region  that struggles to                                                               
have  anything  other  than  seasonal  jobs.  While  fishing  and                                                               
seasonal   industries  are   extremely  important   economically,                                                               
residents are going to require year-round jobs to succeed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:29:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI   said  the  information  that   the  committee                                                               
received  showed the  Pebble Partnership  is paying  Mr. Williams                                                               
between  $100,000  and $200,000  for  fulltime  work between  the                                                               
months  of April  and July.  He  referred to  the exchange  about                                                               
conflicts  of  interest  and  asked  how  he  would  resolve  his                                                               
conflict  when voting  on fisheries  issues,  especially for  the                                                               
Bristol Bay region.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   MICCICHE   asked   Senator  Kawasaki   to   clarify   the                                                               
compensation  numbers  that  the   Pebble  Partnership  pays  Mr.                                                               
Williams.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  restated  that   committee  members  have  the                                                               
financial disclosure form  that says Mr. Williams  has a fulltime                                                               
position between  April 15  and July 28  as Director  of Regional                                                               
Affairs  for the  Pebble Partnership  that pays  between $100,000                                                               
and $200,000.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:31:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WILLIAMS replied he is  often targeted with that conflict due                                                               
to his position  with the Pebble Partnership. He  noted that when                                                               
he  was a  board  member and  the president  of  the Bristol  Bay                                                               
Regional Seafood  Development Association, he bowed  out whenever                                                               
a  conflict arose.  He reiterated  that he  holds himself  to the                                                               
highest  standard of  integrity and  will continue  to do  so. He                                                               
said he did  not know if the board will  take up issues regarding                                                               
the  Pebble Partnership.  However,  he will  always  point out  a                                                               
conflict and make sure that it is apparent.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KAWASAKI asked if he will  be conflicted out of a vote on                                                               
the fishery if  an issue [regarding the  Pebble Partnership] were                                                               
come up.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS replied he would be  conflicted out if a Bristol Bay                                                               
fishery issue came  up that might benefit himself  or his family.                                                               
He added,  "I would certainly refer  to the Department of  Law or                                                               
the resources  or the policies that  we have in order  to clarify                                                               
that."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:33:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE said nearly 400  letters from the public addressed                                                               
Mr. Williams'  involvement with the Pebble  Partnership, which is                                                               
something that is  just going to happen. He noted  that he was in                                                               
the oil and gas industry for a  long time and dealt with the same                                                               
thing.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE  asked Mr.  Williams how he  feels about  the fact                                                               
that the  people who are  the most knowledgeable about  a fishery                                                               
are  often conflicted  out in  the board  process, regardless  of                                                               
whether they are financially affected.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILLIAMS answered  that being conflicted out of  a fishery is                                                               
something  that  board  members must  deal  with.  Conflicted-out                                                               
members share  their knowledge and  that is something  he intends                                                               
to do.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE  pointed out that  Mr. Williams  previously stated                                                               
that he did  not see a reason for changing  the board process. He                                                               
asked  if he  would  consider the  cradle-to-grave approach  with                                                               
distant,  intercept  fisheries  that  affect  home-river  returns                                                               
instead of the regional fin fish  meetings that often do not deal                                                               
with the distant effects on many fisheries.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:36:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WILLIAMS  replied that  he thinks  the intercept  fishery has                                                               
been  a topic  of discussion  for quite  some time.  He said  the                                                               
board could be  more efficient in looking at  diminished runs via                                                               
interceptions or  other issues; however, discussing  those issues                                                               
takes a lot  of the air out  of the room while  knowing there are                                                               
alternatives to take care of.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked if he had any closing comments.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILLIAMS  said  he appreciates  the  opportunity  and  looks                                                               
forward to serving the state.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE invited Ms. Mitchell  to make an opening statement                                                               
regarding her qualifications and interest  in serving Alaska as a                                                               
member of the board.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:38:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MCKENZIE   MITCHELL,  Appointee,   Alaska  Board   of  Fisheries,                                                               
Fairbanks, Alaska,  testified as an  appointee to the  board. She                                                               
said she  grew up  in California  and moved  to Alaska  where she                                                               
initially worked  at a  lodge in  Kodiak and  ultimately obtained                                                               
her captain's license, sportfishing  guide license, and assistant                                                               
big game  hunting guide license.  She detailed that  she attended                                                               
the University of Alaska-Fairbanks,  received her master's degree                                                               
in  resource   and  applied  economics,  and   currently  teaches                                                               
economics and  recreation management  courses at  the university.                                                               
She  added that  she  assists at  a local  flight  school in  the                                                               
winter months and continues to  work seasonally as a sportfishing                                                               
and hunting guide.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
She emphasized  that she sought out  a lifestyle and made  it her                                                               
life.  She said  she  feels  honored to  have  an opportunity  to                                                               
potentially  serve on  the board.  She noted  that she  loves the                                                               
economic  way   of  thinking   that  supports   natural  resource                                                               
management. She  said serving on the  board is her way  of giving                                                               
back to a state that helped her create the life that she has.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:41:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP thanked  her for  applying and  commented on  her                                                               
background in economics.  He asked if she had  attended any board                                                               
meetings and to also provide  more information on why she applied                                                               
to serve on the board.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.   MITCHELL  answered   that  once   she  started   the  board                                                               
application process  in November  2019, she became  more involved                                                               
with  the board.  She noted  that  she attended  several days  of                                                               
board and  advisory meetings  in Anchorage  during the  spring of                                                               
2020.  She  said she  has  tried  to  educate herself  about  the                                                               
different fisheries.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
She  noted  that  her guiding  activities  for  sportfishing  and                                                               
hunting takes her  to different areas in the  state. For example,                                                               
she was in Copper Center during  the spring and Valdez during the                                                               
summer. She said while in Valdez  she had an opportunity to visit                                                               
the Alaska Department of Fish and  Game (ADFG) offices as well as                                                               
talk with stakeholders  and different user groups.  She said that                                                               
started her education process as an appointee to the board.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL said regarding why  she was interested in serving on                                                               
the board, there  was no initial intent until  the idea presented                                                               
itself  in November  2019.  She reiterated  that  serving on  the                                                               
board is  an opportunity to serve  and give back to  a state that                                                               
gave her the life she lives.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:44:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAWASAKI asked  why she  had only  attended a  couple of                                                               
board meetings  in the last  year, when legislators find  time to                                                               
attend most of the meetings.  He also inquired about her interest                                                               
in the  board seat, noting that  she did not apply  until someone                                                               
asked her to do so.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL  answered  that  she  had  not  pursued  the  board                                                               
position  until  after  a  conversation  with  Mr.  Reed  Morisky                                                               
[former board member].  She reiterated that she  is interested in                                                               
serving on the board to give  back to the state. She detailed her                                                               
background  in  fisheries,  noting  her contract  work  with  the                                                               
National Oceanic and  Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Fisheries                                                               
on market demand modeling for various fisheries.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KAWASAKI said he is a big fan of Mr. Morisky.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:47:35 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP  asked Ms. Mitchell  how familiar she is  with the                                                               
Yukon River fish runs, escapement goals, and subsistence users.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL answered  that she  went  into the  ADFG office  in                                                               
Fairbanks to  get background information  on the Yukon  area. She                                                               
emphasized that  her intent  is to  familiarize herself  with all                                                               
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
She said her feelings toward  the subsistence fishery is the same                                                               
for personal  use, sportfish, and commercial  fisheries; each one                                                               
is valuable and deserves the  attention and dedication of a board                                                               
member to understand and make  the best decision for the resource                                                               
and the users of the resource.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP asked her to clarify her educational background.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MITCHELL answered that she  did her graduate research related                                                               
to  fisheries with  a specific  focus on  the Recreational  Quota                                                               
Entity (RQE)  program. She explained  that she  set out to  get a                                                               
consensus on  how the sportfish  industry would take on  and fund                                                               
the RQE program.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  said he  read Ms.  Mitchell's master's  thesis and                                                               
referenced  the  sentence,  "Fishing   is  an  expensive  leisure                                                               
activity" in reference  to halibut charters. He  admitted that he                                                               
was  taking something  out of  context but  asked her  to provide                                                               
more information regarding  her thoughts on the  various types of                                                               
fisheries in Alaska.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:52:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MITCHELL agreed  that the quote was a little  out of context.                                                               
She  specified that  her  answer  would not  relate  back to  her                                                               
thesis because that  was a very specific study that  focused on a                                                               
newly adopted program in fisheries management.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL   explained  that  when  she   looks  at  different                                                               
fisheries and  their economic importance,  she tries to  focus on                                                               
things that do not necessarily  have monetary funds. For example,                                                               
sportfishing and  commercial fisheries  have monetary  flows, but                                                               
subsistence fisheries  are challenging  because they do  not have                                                               
monetary flows to determine  economic importance, especially when                                                               
making allocation decisions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She  pointed  out  that  the  Alaska  Constitution  requires  the                                                               
utilization, conservation,  and development of resources  for the                                                               
use  of  the  people  of  the   state.  There  is  value  in  the                                                               
subsistence fisheries, not to mention  the psychological value of                                                               
unity  within the  state by  having people  be able  to carry  on                                                               
their traditions and maintain their values.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL  said trying  to compare a  commercial fishery  to a                                                               
sport fishery  based solely on  monetary flows is  like comparing                                                               
apples  to oranges.  The commercial  fishery  does have  monetary                                                               
flows, but it also has great  value in the fact that many involve                                                               
coastal   communities  with   generational  heritage   of  people                                                               
standing together for fisheries.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:56:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  reiterated that he  is a  member of three  of the                                                               
four user  groups but  is not a  subsistence fisherman.  He added                                                               
that  he  represents  a  community  that  has  active  sport  and                                                               
personal use fisheries.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He remarked that  Ms. Mitchell is an unusual  appointee and noted                                                               
his slight  concern with her  isolated experience with  the sport                                                               
fishery.  Most board  applicants have  been around  Alaska for  a                                                               
long time  and have more  experience and knowledge with  all user                                                               
groups.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE  asked her to  convince him  that she will  have a                                                               
balanced  approach even  though she  does not  have the  personal                                                               
experience. He said  what would make him more  comfortable is not                                                               
to do  "A pound of fish  is worth more" for  allocation decisions                                                               
as opposed  to a  balance that  supports thousands  of commercial                                                               
fishing families,  sportfishermen, personal use,  and subsistence                                                               
fisheries.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:58:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MITCHELL  replied that she  sees her duty  and responsibility                                                               
on the board  to work hard to familiarize  herself, listen, read,                                                               
and respond to  people to have the best understanding  she can of                                                               
each fishery  before making a  decision. She said she  works hard                                                               
at everything that she applies herself  to and her service on the                                                               
board would be no exception.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:00:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  asked if she  plans to visit coastal  areas where                                                               
commercial fishing  occurs in order  to familiarize  herself with                                                               
the more  personal aspects  of other  fisheries. He  said without                                                               
the  balancing  experience,  one  might   tend  to  look  at  the                                                               
economics of one user group as opposed to the overall impact.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL  answered that she  has already started  the process                                                               
and  has taken  advantage of  her extensive  work-related travels                                                               
throughout the state.  She detailed that she visited  or plans on                                                               
visiting: Copper Center, Valdez,  Kongakut River, Holy Cross, and                                                               
Kodiak. She  noted that  in Valdez she  met with  some commercial                                                               
fishermen,  the  fleet manager,  the  executive  director of  the                                                               
Valdez   Fisheries  Development   Association,  and   toured  the                                                               
hatchery. She  added that she  visited some ADFG  offices outside                                                               
of  the  Fairbanks  area.  She   reiterated  that  she  plans  on                                                               
familiarizing herself with each fishery.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:02:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE asked  if she continues to captain  for Jamie Lynn                                                               
Charters.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL answered yes; she  worked for Jamie Lynn Charters in                                                               
July 2020.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE  stated that he appreciates  Ms. Mitchell's story,                                                               
noting that he had a similar  one where he traveled to Alaska for                                                               
the  summer when  he was  19 and  that summer  has lasted  for 40                                                               
years.  He  encouraged  her  to reach  out  to  different  areas,                                                               
particularly in areas  where the most conflict exists  to try and                                                               
understand all sides of the issues.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked if she had closing comments.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:04:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. MITCHELL said she appreciates  being in the position of board                                                               
appointee and thanked the committee  for taking the time to allow                                                               
her to speak and answer questions.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE  thanked  Ms. Mitchell  for  applying  and  being                                                               
willing to  serve. He admitted  that he wonders why  anyone would                                                               
apply  for  the   position.  It  is  similar  to   the  job  that                                                               
legislators  have and  the only  group more  difficult to  please                                                               
than Alaskans is fishing Alaskans.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE invited  Mr. Wood  to make  an opening  statement                                                               
regarding his qualifications and interest  in serving Alaska as a                                                               
member of the board.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:05:17 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN WOOD, Appointee, Alaska Board  of Fisheries, Willow, Alaska,                                                               
testified as an appointee to the  board. He detailed that he came                                                               
to  Alaska  in 1971  and  worked  within the  Anchorage  judicial                                                               
district until  discontinuing his  private law practice  in 1995.                                                               
He said he became involved  with then Senator Dunleavy to address                                                               
sportfishing in  the Susitna  Valley. He  noted that  he actively                                                               
participated in  board meetings from 2013-2014,  but left Senator                                                               
Dunleavy's staff in  2016. He said he has served  on the board in                                                               
2020 as a voting member and participated in all meetings.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He said he brings his ability  to find solutions to the board. He                                                               
noted  that he  has  met with  stakeholders  throughout the  Cook                                                               
Inlet  to  address lower  salmon  returns.  He is  accustomed  to                                                               
listening and  making judgements on presentations.  He added that                                                               
he has heard  from some that he has more  credibility than others                                                               
to serve on the board.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:11:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BISHOP noted  the low  salmon returns  in the  Fairbanks                                                               
area and  said he hopes that  Mr. Wood brings all  assets to bear                                                               
to help the region.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD agreed  that the insufficient fish  numbers in Fairbanks                                                               
is a sad situation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI asked  him to  confirm  that he  works for  the                                                               
Dunleavy Administration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD replied he is on contract but is not a state employee.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KAWASAKI  asked  if  his   current  situation  with  the                                                               
administration would be  a conflict in working for  the board and                                                               
in how he makes decisions.  He noted that the administration pays                                                               
Mr. Wood between $10,000 and $20,000.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:14:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOOD  answered  that  there   is  no  conflict  because  his                                                               
administrative  contract has  nothing to  do with  the fisheries.                                                               
The  board  follows  a  process   where  each  individual  member                                                               
prepares a  statement of any  possible conflict of  interest that                                                               
an attorney  reviews to make  recommendations to the chair  for a                                                               
ruling; during  any part of that  process there has never  been a                                                               
determination of a conflict existing.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  KIEHL  asked him  to  provide  a  broader scope  of  his                                                               
contract with the governor's office.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:15:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD answered that in  2019 his contract was between himself,                                                               
the  Alaska  Department  of Administration,  and  the  governor's                                                               
office. He  explained that 95 to  98 percent of his  duties dealt                                                               
with  labor  matters  as  well  as  anything  that  the  governor                                                               
requested.  He said  the administration  renewed his  contract in                                                               
spring 2020  and he reports  directly to the governor  on ongoing                                                               
labor negotiations and recommendations.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL observed that he deals directly with the governor.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD answered yes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL said  the current statute calls for  a balancing of                                                               
interests on the board  and his concern is that 5  of the 7 board                                                               
members would  live within a  50-mile radius of the  Anchorage JC                                                               
Penny  store. He  asked  Mr. Wood  to talk  about  where he  fits                                                               
within a diversity of interests for the board.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD replied he lives  in Willow, approximately 77 miles from                                                               
Anchorage, but he  understands the gist of the  question. He said                                                               
he understands  the Mat-Su  Valley and  Anchorage, and  the terms                                                               
for two  Anchorage area board  members will  expire in a  year or                                                               
two.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  commented that he  might have a different  take on                                                               
some of the backgrounds and current alignments on the board.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:19:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  noted that  the state  has fisheries  concerns in                                                               
Southeast,  Cook  Inlet,  Kodiak,  Yukon, and  Norton  Sound.  He                                                               
admitted that  Mr. Wood  seems rather focused  on Cook  Inlet and                                                               
returning  larger amounts  to the  rivers of  the Mat-Su  Valley,                                                               
which is an important goal. However,  Mr. Wood is more or less an                                                               
engineer of a system that ended  up passing through the board and                                                               
became law.  He said his view  is that the law  over escaped fish                                                               
to the river  systems where he lives and that  has concerned many                                                               
in his  district. He  pointed out  that the  sportfishermen would                                                               
have  normally harvested  500,000  extra fish  that have  instead                                                               
gone up river.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked if he  believes in maximum sustainable yield                                                               
and  is  willing to  look  at  a  better  balance as  opposed  to                                                               
impacting  a  neighboring  user  group  in  the  goal  of  simply                                                               
returning fish. He  reiterated that the board is  not managing in                                                               
a cradle-to-grave  manner and that results  in neighbors fighting                                                               
over scraps  at the end.  He inquired if  Mr. Wood is  willing to                                                               
look wider  to find  out why  the state  is having  problems; for                                                               
example,  repairing  habitat,   ocean  conditions,  and  distance                                                               
intercepted fish as opposed to settling  at the end very close to                                                               
the mouths of the rivers where the fish ultimately return.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:22:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  WOOD answered  that his  focus is  on the  Cook Inlet  which                                                               
includes  Susitna,  Kenai,  Kasilof,  and all  waterways  in  the                                                               
region. He  said he is  obviously more familiar with  the Susitna                                                               
because  he lives  within  the system;  however,  his concern  is                                                               
areawide.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  said he  wishes  more  people would  look  at  the global  or                                                               
cradle-to-grave  approach. He  detailed that  his approach  is to                                                               
first look  at the impact the  board's action has on  fish coming                                                               
into the stream for breeding.  Only then does he start concerning                                                               
himself  with allocation  questions  as  to who  is  going to  be                                                               
harvesting the excess.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD detailed that his  determination for Kodiak was based on                                                               
studies for fish  bound for the Cook Inlet. The  board acted with                                                               
the goal to pass  more fish through that in turn  would go to the                                                               
Susitna, Kenai, and Kasilof.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He suggested  that the  state enlist  NOAA to  provide additional                                                               
information  for the  state to  use to  determine returning  fish                                                               
sizes  and numbers.  This would  allow the  board to  make better                                                               
allocation decisions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:24:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MICCICHE  reiterated his  interest  in  focusing on  other                                                               
fisheries such  as Southeast, Yukon,  and Norton Sound,  not just                                                               
Cook Inlet.  He asked  how he  will balance  his approach  in the                                                               
future to eliminate  concerns all over the state.  He agreed with                                                               
Senator Kiehl that the board  membership is becoming Southcentral                                                               
focused.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD said he knows his  backyard the best, but he has reached                                                               
out to  Mr. Jensen to go  to Southeast to meet  with stakeholders                                                               
to get  their perspectives. He  emphasized that he does  not make                                                               
up his mind  based strictly on his knowledge until  he gets input                                                               
from stakeholders.  He said a  person gets more  information with                                                               
an open mind.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MICCICHE asked if he had closing remarks.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:27:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. WOOD referenced previous committee  member questions to board                                                               
appointees and provided his answers as follows:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   • Chair Micciche asked about sportfishing versus commercial                                                                  
     fishing.                                                                                                                   
        o He answered that with his  appointment, the board would                                                               
          remain or become more balanced.                                                                                       
   • Chair Micciche asked about equality representation on the                                                                  
     board.                                                                                                                     
        o He explained that  the problem is inherent  in any body                                                               
          that  makes  decisions,  whether   it  is  a  court  or                                                               
          administrative agency.  However, the big  difference is                                                               
          the board process is never one with a closed door.                                                                    
   • Chair Micciche raised a question on stressed fisheries.                                                                    
        o He  specified  that  genetics  will  be  the  key  that                                                               
          requires research dollars for a mixed stock fishery.                                                                  
        o He suggested  that the state  reach out to  the federal                                                               
          government  and work  with NOAA  to  determine what  is                                                               
          going on in the "blue water."                                                                                         
        o He  recommended permit  buyouts; an  approach advocated                                                               
          by Chair Micciche.                                                                                                    
        o He explained  that the board needs  additional staff to                                                               
          administer  meetings,  specifically  an  economist,  to                                                               
          provide  an  independent  source  to  develop  economic                                                               
          analysis.                                                                                                             
   • Senator Kiehl addressed treaty rebuilding.                                                                                 
        o He  remarked  that  the   rebuilding  efforts  for  the                                                               
          Pacific  Salmon  Treaty  are wonderful  and  the  state                                                               
          needs a similar  multiyear approach to get  back to the                                                               
         historical levels in size and numbers of fish.                                                                         
 • Senator Giessel asked about changes to the board process.                                                                    
        o He reiterated that staffing is  the key to provide data                                                               
          to  make sound  decisions. Judging  success depends  on                                                               
          data.                                                                                                                 
   • Senator Kiehl asked about the value of the fisheries.                                                                      
        o He emphasized  that he tries  to always use  a balanced                                                               
          approach to answer questions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. WOOD concluded that "fish is  first." If getting fish back in                                                               
both  sizes and  numbers requires  dramatic action  on everyone's                                                               
part, then that is  where he is heading. He said  he wants to see                                                               
the state back to healthy fish runs.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:33:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE opened public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
BEN   MOHR,   Executive   Director,  Kenai   River   Sportfishing                                                               
Association,  Soldotna,  Alaska,  testified  in  support  of  the                                                               
appointments of all appointees to  the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                               
He summarized  that Mr. Jensen has  served on the board  for many                                                               
years with distinction, Mr. Wood  brings a collaborative approach                                                               
to  the board,  Ms.  Mitchell  brings a  new  perspective to  the                                                               
board, and Mr.  Williams is an active  and successful participant                                                               
in the Bristol Bay fishery.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:38:59 PM                                                                                                                    
ROLAND  MAW,   Executive  Director,   United  Cook   Inlet  Drift                                                               
Association, Soldotna,  Alaska, stated  that he would  submit his                                                               
comments in  writing, but his  concern is that coastal  Alaska is                                                               
under represented on the Alaska Board of Fisheries.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:41:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SERENA FITKA,  Executive Director,  Yukon River  Drainage Fishing                                                               
Association,  Valdez,  Alaska,  testified in  opposition  to  the                                                               
appointment of all  appointees to the Alaska  Board of Fisheries.                                                               
She said the  appointees do not represent the Yukon  area and the                                                               
board needs adequate representation for subsistence interests.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  noted that Senator  Coghill joined  the committee                                                               
meeting online at 3:32 p.m.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:43:04 PM                                                                                                                    
REBECCA KNIGHT, representing  self, Petersburg, Alaska, testified                                                               
in support of  the appointment of Mr. Jensen to  the Alaska Board                                                               
of  Fisheries,  and  in  opposition to  the  appointment  of  Mr.                                                               
Williams to the Alaska Board  of Fisheries. She detailed that her                                                               
family invests  heavily and  derives a large  part of  its income                                                               
from  the  Bristol  Bay  fishery.  She  said  she  supported  Mr.                                                               
Jensen's  comments on  the importance  of  the board's  decision-                                                               
making process and  its impact on future  generations. She stated                                                               
that the  legislature should disqualify  Mr. Williams as  a board                                                               
appointee  due to  his association  with the  Pebble Partnership.                                                               
She  added  that  the  board needs  more  representation  in  the                                                               
coastal communities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:44:55 PM                                                                                                                    
RACHEL ALLEN,  representing self,  Chignik, Alaska,  testified in                                                               
support of  the appointment  of Mr. Wood,  Ms. Mitchell,  and Mr.                                                               
Williams to the  Alaska Board of Fisheries, and  in opposition to                                                               
the appointment of  Mr. Jensen to the Alaska  Board of Fisheries.                                                               
She said  Mr. Jensen testified  on issues that are  in opposition                                                               
to change for Chignik.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:47:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SUSAN  DOHERTY,  Executive  Director,  Southeast  Alaska  Seiners                                                               
Association,  Ketchikan,  Alaska,  testified in  support  of  the                                                               
appointment of Mr.  Jensen to the Alaska Board  of Fisheries, and                                                               
in opposition to  the appointment of Ms.  Mitchell, Mr. Williams,                                                               
and Mr. Wood to the Alaska  Board of Fisheries. She said there is                                                               
a geographical imbalance on the  board and the legislature should                                                               
consider other candidates.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:52:41 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MICCICHE referenced  the Alaska  Constitution, Article  3,                                                               
Section 26: Boards and Commissions, that reads as follows:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     When  a  board  or  commission  is at  the  head  of  a                                                                    
     principal department or  a regulatory or quasi-judicial                                                                    
     agency,  its   members  shall   be  appointed   by  the                                                                    
     governor, subject to confirmation  by a majority of the                                                                    
     members of  the legislature  in joint session,  and may                                                                    
     be removed as  provided by law. They  shall be citizens                                                                    
     of  the  United States.  The  board  or commission  may                                                                    
     appoint a  principal executive officer  when authorized                                                                    
     by law,  but the  appointment shall  be subject  to the                                                                    
     approval of the governor.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE referenced  the Alaska  Constitution, Article  3,                                                               
Section 27: Recess Appointments, that reads as follows:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The governor  may make  appointments to  fill vacancies                                                                    
     occurring  during  a  recess  of  the  legislature,  in                                                                    
     offices requiring confirmation  by the legislature. The                                                                    
     duration of  such appointments  shall be  prescribed by                                                                    
     law.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  explained that  the noted  sections  prevent the  legislature                                                               
from stalling  confirmations and  encourages it  to act.  He said                                                               
that is  the same as  with higher levels of  confirmations within                                                               
the government.  Appointees serve  with full capacity  until they                                                               
are either  confirmed or rejected.  He said changing  the process                                                               
would require a constitutional change and that is a high bar.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:53:46 PM                                                                                                                    
BROOKE WOODS,  representing self,  Rampart, Alaska,  testified in                                                               
opposition to  the appointment  of all  appointees to  the Alaska                                                               
Board  of  Fisheries.  She  said  the  board  needs  someone  who                                                               
represents rural Alaska and subsistence fishing interests.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:56:17 PM                                                                                                                    
DOROTHY   SHOCKLEY,   representing   self,   Fairbanks,   Alaska,                                                               
testified  in support  of the  appointment of  Mr. Jensen  to the                                                               
Alaska Board of  Fisheries, and in opposition  to the appointment                                                               
of Mr. Williams,  Ms. Mitchell, and Mr. Wood to  the Alaska Board                                                               
of Fisheries. She  said the board needs at least  one member with                                                               
extensive knowledge of the Yukon River fisheries.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:59:54 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN MCGAHAN,  representing self, Nikiski, Alaska,  testified in                                                               
support of the  appointment of Mr. Jensen to the  Alaska Board of                                                               
Fisheries. She pointed out  that Southcentral appointees dominate                                                               
board  membership to  the detriment  of coastal  communities. She                                                               
added  that an  appointee who  works for  the Pebble  Partnership                                                               
should not serve on the board.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:04:14 PM                                                                                                                    
NORMAN   VAN   VACTOR,   President/CEO,  Bristol   Bay   Economic                                                               
Development  Corporation (BBEDC),  Dillingham, Alaska,  testified                                                               
in opposition  to the appointment  of Mr. Williams to  the Alaska                                                               
Board of  Fisheries. He said  the legislature should  not confirm                                                               
anyone aligned  with the Pebble Partnership.  He also highlighted                                                               
that there  is dramatically reduced  representation on  the board                                                               
from rural and coastal Alaska.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:06:21 PM                                                                                                                    
ROY  SMITH,  representing  self,  Juneau,  Alaska,  testified  in                                                               
opposition  to the  appointment  of Mr.  Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board of  Fisheries. He  said Mr.  Williams cannot  make unbiased                                                               
decisions because he is an advocate for the Pebble Mine.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:08:19 PM                                                                                                                    
BROOKE   DELKITTIE,   representing   self,   Anchorage,   Alaska,                                                               
testified in  opposition to  the appointment  of Mr.  Williams to                                                               
the Alaska Board  of Fisheries. She said Mr.  Williams should not                                                               
serve on the board due to his ties to the Pebble Partnership.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:09:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MARGIE  OLYMPIC, representing  self, Newhalen,  Alaska, testified                                                               
in  support of  the appointment  of  Mr. Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board of Fisheries. She said Mr.  Williams is a man who considers                                                               
everyone's opinion,  understands a  subsistence way of  life, and                                                               
his  involvement  in  a  controversial  project  puts  him  in  a                                                               
position to understand both sides.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:11:09 PM                                                                                                                    
LINDSAY   LAYMAND,   representing   self,   Dillingham,   Alaska,                                                               
testified in  opposition to  the appointment  of Mr.  Williams to                                                               
the Alaska Board of Fisheries. She  said Mr. Williams has a clear                                                               
conflict due to his association  with the Pebble Partnership. She                                                               
stated that Mr. Williams does not  share the goal of the board to                                                               
conserve and develop Alaska's fisheries.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:13:25 PM                                                                                                                    
EMME  WILLIAMSON, representing  self, Olympia,  Alaska, testified                                                               
in opposition  to the appointment  of Mr. Williams to  the Alaska                                                               
Board of  Fisheries. She said  Mr. Williams' employment  with the                                                               
Pebble Mine  creates an extreme  conflict of interest.  She added                                                               
that  in-region voices  should represent  Alaska's fisheries  and                                                               
the board needs more representation from coastal regions.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:14:56 PM                                                                                                                    
HOLLY WISOCKI,  representing self, Dillingham,  Alaska, testified                                                               
in opposition  to the appointment  of Mr. Williams to  the Alaska                                                               
Board  of Fisheries.  She  said  Mr. Williams  is  on the  Pebble                                                               
Partnership  payroll and  he cannot  represent or  make decisions                                                               
for fisheries.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:16:28 PM                                                                                                                    
THOREY  MUNRO, representing  self,  Homer,  Alaska, testified  in                                                               
opposition  of the  appointment  to Mr.  Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board of Fisheries. She said  Mr. Williams has a blatant conflict                                                               
of interest  due to his  employment with the  Pebble Partnership.                                                               
She  added  that the  board  needs  a candidate  that  accurately                                                               
represents rural and coastal Alaska.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MICCICHE explained  that  the committee  forwards all  the                                                               
names of  the appointees  to a  confirmation hearing  before both                                                               
bodies  of the  legislature.  The committee's  job  is to  review                                                               
appointees and hear from the  public, but the names are forwarded                                                               
regardless of the committee action.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:18:12 PM                                                                                                                    
JORDAN  DYER,  representing  self, Homer,  Alaska,  testified  in                                                               
opposition  to the  appointment  of Mr.  Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board  of Fisheries.  He  said  Mr. Williams  has  a conflict  of                                                               
interest due  to his employment  with the Pebble  Partnership. He                                                               
said  he supports  representation  from fishermen  who depend  on                                                               
salmon  in  rural  Alaska, specifically  in  the  Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
region.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:18:58 PM                                                                                                                    
TAYLOR LAYLAND, representing  self, Dillingham, Alaska, testified                                                               
in opposition  to the appointment  of Mr. Williams to  the Alaska                                                               
Board of Fisheries. He said a  board appointee should be from the                                                               
region and not employed by the Pebble Partnership.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:20:02 PM                                                                                                                    
JAN CONITZ,  representing self,  Fairbanks, Alaska,  testified in                                                               
opposition  to the  appointment  of Mr.  Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board of  Fisheries. She said  Mr. William's employment  with the                                                               
Pebble Partnership is an obvious conflict of interest.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:22:56 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHERINE  CARSCALLES,  representing  self,  Dillingham,  Alaska,                                                               
testified in  opposition to  the appointment  of Mr.  Williams to                                                               
the  Alaska Board  of  Fisheries.  She said  Mr.  Williams has  a                                                               
direct conflict due  to his association with  the proposed Pebble                                                               
Mine.  She noted  that  Mr. Williams  has been  one  of the  most                                                               
prominent  voices pushing  the project,  an action  that directly                                                               
conflicts  with the  sustainability of  the Bristol  Bay fishery.                                                               
She  added  that  board  appointments  have  migrated  away  from                                                               
coastal communities  to a tight  geographic area.  She emphasized                                                               
that nothing  could replace a lifelong,  generational, and direct                                                               
regional knowledge to understand the state's diverse fisheries.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:25:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHERINE RILEY,  representing self, Sitka, Alaska,  testified in                                                               
opposition  of the  appointment  of Mr.  Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board  of Fisheries.  She said  Mr.  Williams is  not a  suitable                                                               
candidate  for the  board because  he represents  a company  that                                                               
poses  significant risks  to the  Bristol Bay  fishery. She  also                                                               
pointed  out that  the board  underrepresents  coastal and  rural                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:28:21 PM                                                                                                                    
BILLIE HOFFMAN,  representing self,  Sitka, Alaska,  testified in                                                               
opposition  of the  appointment  of Mr.  Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board of  Fisheries. She said  Mr. Williams' employment  with the                                                               
Pebble Mine  represents a strong  conflict of interest.  She also                                                               
pointed  out that  the board  underrepresents  coastal and  rural                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:29:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CATHERINE BURSCH, representing self,  Homer, Alaska, testified in                                                               
opposition  to the  appointment  of Mr.  Williams  to the  Alaska                                                               
Board  of Fisheries.  She questioned  why  the governor  selected                                                               
someone so contentious  to serve on the board.  She remarked that                                                               
the  board  needs to  focus  on  the complex  fishery  management                                                               
issues.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:32:08 PM                                                                                                                    
ALANAH HURLEY,  Executive Director, United Tribes  of Bristol Bay                                                               
(UTBB),  Clark's Point,  Alaska, testified  in opposition  to the                                                               
appointment of  Mr. Williams  to the  Alaska Board  of Fisheries.                                                               
She  said  rural Alaska  does  not  have adequate  representation                                                               
reflected in the current board  appointees. She remarked that Mr.                                                               
Williams has  a conflict  due to his  employment with  the Pebble                                                               
Partnership  and   his  appointment  exasperates  the   issue  of                                                               
inadequate representation  for rural Alaska. She  asked where the                                                               
legislature   is  going   to  draw   the  line   with  government                                                               
appointments   for   current   and  former   Pebble   Partnership                                                               
employees.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:35:30 PM                                                                                                                    
GALE  VICK, representing  self, Fairbanks,  Alaska, testified  in                                                               
support of  the appointment of  Ms. Mitchell to the  Alaska Board                                                               
of  Fisheries.  She  said  Ms.   Mitchell  will  bring  a  unique                                                               
combination of  fishing, science, and economic  experience to the                                                               
board. She added  that Ms. Mitchell has shown  a specific concern                                                               
over the  resource itself and  will take seriously  all petitions                                                               
with equity.  In conclusion,  she said  the board  needs specific                                                               
representation for the Yukon River.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:36:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE closed public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:37:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MICCICHE  stated that  in accordance  with Uniform  Rule 46                                                               
and AS 39.05.080,  the Senate Resources Committee  held a hearing                                                               
on  the  following  appointees and  recommends  consideration  of                                                               
their confirmation in joint session:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                                     
John Jensen - Petersburg                                                                                                        
McKenzie Mitchell - Fairbanks                                                                                                   
Abe Williams - Anchorage                                                                                                        
John Wood - Willow                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
A signature or lack thereof on this report does not reflect an                                                                  
intent of committee members to vote for or against the                                                                          
individuals in any future joint session.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:38:28 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Micciche adjourned the  Senate Resources Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 5:38 p.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
RES Board of Fisheries Jensen #9.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Governor's appointee to Board of Fisheries
RES Board of Fisheries Mitchell #9.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Governor's appointee to Board of Fisheries
RES Board of Fisheries Williams #9.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Governor's appointee to Board of Fisheries
RES Board of Fisheries Wood #1.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Governor's appointee to Board of Fisheries
Mitchell_Written Statement BoF 2020.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Sen Resources Mitchel Comments to Committee
Mitchell 2020_resume_Redacted.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Sen Resources Mitchel Resume
Assorted A-H Public Testimony_BoF_08.28.2020.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Sen. Resources BoF Written Testimony
Assorted I-P Public Testimony_BoF_08.28.2020.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Sen. Resources BoF Written Testimony
Assorted R-Z Public Testimony_BoF_08.28.2020.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Sen. Resources BoF Written Testimony
Mitchell Submittal to Sen Resources_ Fisheries RQE.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Sen. Resources BoF Mitchell submittal to Sen Resources
Assorted Public Testimony_BoF_ thru 08.31.pdf SRES 8/28/2020 3:00:00 PM
Sen. Resources BoF Written Testimony