Legislature(2017 - 2018)BUTROVICH 205

03/19/2018 03:30 PM RESOURCES

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03:29:49 PM Start
03:30:28 PM Confirmation Hearings:
03:32:51 PM Big Game Commercial Services Board (bgcsb)
03:40:46 PM Confirmation Hearing:|| State Assessment Review Board
03:48:09 PM SJR13
04:09:43 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees TELECONFERENCED
Big Game Commercial Services Board:
Mr. Jason Bunch
State Assessment Review Board:
Mr. William Westover
-- Public Testimony on Appointees --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= SJR 13 URGING CO-MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR SEA OTTERS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSJR 13(RES) Out of Committee
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 19, 2018                                                                                         
                           3:29 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator John Coghill, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Kevin Meyer                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS:                                                                                                          
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                            
-Jason Bunch, Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
State Assessment Review Board                                                                                                 
-William Westover, Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 13                                                                                                  
Urging  the United  States Congress  to amend  the Marine  Mammal                                                               
Protection Act  and urging  the United  States Department  of the                                                               
Interior  to permit  Alaska Native  organizations and  the Alaska                                                               
Department of Fish and Game  to co-manage, take, and study marine                                                               
mammals under the Marine Mammal Protection Act.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSJR 13(RES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SJR 13                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: URGING CO-MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR SEA OTTERS                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) STEDMAN                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
02/19/18       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
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03/19/18       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JASON BUNCH                                                                                                                     
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Appointee to the Big Game Commercial                                                                      
Services Board                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM WESTOVER                                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Appointee to the State Assessment Review                                                                  
Board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WAYNE KUBAT, Vice President                                                                                                     
Alaska Professional Hunters Association (APHA)                                                                                  
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported the confirmation of Mr. Bunch to                                                                
the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
RANDY RUARO, Chief of Staff to Senator Stedman                                                                                  
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Explained changes between version J to                                                                    
version U of CSSJR 13(RES).                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS KRENZ, Wildlife Science Coordinator                                                                                       
Division of Wildlife                                                                                                            
Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G)                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Neutral position on SJR 13 but provided                                                                   
background details.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT KELLEY, Director                                                                                                          
Division of Commercial Fisheries                                                                                                
Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G)                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Neutral position on SJR 13 but provided                                                                   
background details.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:29:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CATHY   GIESSEL  called  the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:29  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Coghill, Stedman, Meyer,  Von Imhof, Bishop,                                                               
Wielechowski, and Chair Giessel.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^Confirmation Hearings:                                                                                                         
                     Confirmation Hearing:                                                                                  
           Big Game Commercial Services Board (BGCSB)                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:30:28 PM                                                                                                                    
^Big Game Commercial Services Board (BGCSB)                                                                                 
CHAIR GIESSEL  announced that the  first order of  business would                                                               
be  confirmation  hearings  for two  Governor's  appointees.  The                                                               
committee would  take up  the remaining  appointee to  the first.                                                               
She welcomed Mr.  Jason Bunch to tell the committee  why he wants                                                               
it serve on the board and what he has to contribute to it.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JASON  BUNCH,  appointee  to the  Big  Game  Commercial  Services                                                               
Board, Kodiak,  Alaska, said he  is being appointed to  the guide                                                               
outfitter seat. He went right to  the question of why he wants to                                                               
serve on the board. He spent 20  years as a U.S. Coast Guard as a                                                               
helicopter rescue swimmer. There are  only 300 rescue swimmers in                                                               
the United  States, he  stated, and  they are  very professional.                                                               
When he left  that organization, he moved  to another occupation,                                                               
guiding.  When he  came to  the guide  field he  was blessed  and                                                               
fortunate  to  be  surrounded by  professional  guides  not  just                                                               
guides with  no formal education  who are vagabonds, but  men who                                                               
saw guiding as an occupation and staked their lives to it.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:32:51 PM                                                                                                                    
They are all  very plugged in to Advisory  Committees, the public                                                               
process,  the  Board  of  Game,   and  always  pay  attention  to                                                               
different regulations  and statutes  that are governing  not just                                                               
guiding   but   natural   resources,   and   even   the   state's                                                               
Administrative  Code  for the  regulations  for  hunting. He  was                                                               
quickly  able   to  separate  the  professional   guides  from  a                                                               
vagabond-style person who  is just kind of  using state resources                                                               
but not  really thinking about  what they  are doing in  the long                                                               
term.  He wants  to follow  that  kind of  mold and  this is  his                                                               
opportunity to be a good steward of Alaska's natural resources.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:34:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BISHOP  said his resume'  is very impressive  and thanked                                                               
him for applying. He asked if  he had read Pinnell and Talifson's                                                               
book ["Last of the Great Brown Bear Men"].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUNCH  answered yes, he had  read their book. Going  a little                                                               
bit further, he  said one stormy night they were  flying in an H-                                                               
60  helicopter to  Cold  Bay  to Kodiak.  They  had  just done  a                                                               
medivac about  200 miles offshore  of Cold Bay. They  were flying                                                               
back and  got a 121.5 beacon  transmit over the radios.  So, they                                                               
turned their direction-finding equipment  on and the needle swung                                                               
to the right.  So, the pilot swung that helicopter  to the right,                                                               
and they followed  the beacon to the Sturgeon River  that had two                                                               
men; one had  a little head lamp. The helicopter  hovered, and he                                                               
was lowered down. He ran over  to them to figure out the distress                                                               
was.  Those  men  had  flipped  their raft  and  lost  all  their                                                               
belongings including  safety equipment.  The only thing  they had                                                               
was the little  pen light that was in their  pocket and the 121.5                                                               
emergency beacon that they had shoved in their jacket pocket.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
They took the men back to the  air station and got them dried and                                                               
fed and  a place  to stay for  the night and  sent them  on their                                                               
way. About  three months later, Mr.  Clark, sent him a  thank you                                                               
letter for  picking him up on  the Sturgeon River with  a copy of                                                               
that book. He has read it a couple of times.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL  noted that he  is filling  a vacancy on  the board                                                               
that is for only one year and asked if he was aware of that.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUNCH replied that he is aware  of and okay with it. It's one                                                               
year in which  he can be assessed  to see if he is  the right man                                                               
for the job  and to see if  he can make the impact  that he wants                                                               
to  make  and  then  decide  whether   he  wants  to  ask  for  a                                                               
reappointment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL  noted  that this  board  allows  two  consecutive                                                               
terms,  either partial  or  full,  and said  one  of the  board's                                                               
challenges  is   its'  budget.  The   law  requires   that  these                                                               
regulatory  boards fund  themselves  and licensing  fees pay  for                                                               
that.  In the  case of  the Big  Game Commercial  Services Board,                                                               
they have  actually had just a  few years ago a  $1 million debt.                                                               
They have  recently raised  licensing fees and  it is  a priority                                                               
topic and asked if he had given it any thought.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUNCH replied  yes; their  balance is  $500,000. Steps  have                                                               
been  taken in  terms of  raising licensing  and filing  fees and                                                               
2019 has  been suggested  as a  goal for  having a  zero balance.                                                               
They  are  already  discussing  ways to  put  revenue  that  they                                                               
continue to collect to good work.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He said  he is  the owner  of two small  businesses and  they are                                                               
successful without  debt, so he  brings that  financial expertise                                                               
to the  board. He  thinks the biggest  challenge for  the board's                                                               
financial presence is  going to be that the  division often makes                                                               
those  decisions not  the board.  He  hopes his  position on  the                                                               
board  will help  assist the  division at  time when  spending is                                                               
unavoidable.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL said  it sounds like he is well  informed about the                                                               
issue and how it works, and she thanked him for his service.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:40:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  said  the  committee   would  next  take  up  the                                                               
appointee for the  State Assessment Review Board.  She noted that                                                               
Mr.  Westover is  a first-time  appointee  to this  board and  is                                                               
calling in from  Anchorage. She invited him  to introduce himself                                                               
and tell the committee why he is interested in this board.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^Confirmation Hearing:                                                                                                          
^State Assessment Review Board                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                     Confirmation Hearing:                                                                                  
                 State Assessment Review Board                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:40:46 PM                                                                                                                    
WILLIAM  WESTOVER,  appointee  to  the  State  Assessment  Review                                                               
Board,  Anchorage, Alaska,  said  he has  25  years of  appraisal                                                               
experience, both private and public.  The last 19 years have been                                                               
spent   in  property   assessment   work   for  the   government,                                                               
specializing  in special  use  properties  and regulated  utility                                                               
valuations.  He  has  known  a few  board  members  and  followed                                                               
previous  hearings,  which  he found  very  interesting.  When  a                                                               
vacancy opened up he was ready to submit his application.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WESTOVER said  he had been a resident of  the State of Alaska                                                               
since  1966 and  it  had  been really  good  to  his family.  The                                                               
opportunity and  the time  is available  to him  now to  try give                                                               
back to the state.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL thanked  him for giving back to  Alaska and asked                                                               
if he had attended any of their board meetings.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WESTOVER answered yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL remarked  that it looks like they  are an appeals                                                               
board and  asked him  what some  of the  tougher issues  are that                                                               
they deal with.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. WESTOVER  said that was  correct; they hear appeals  from the                                                               
oil and gas industry predominantly on their assets.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  asked if he assessed  local utility distribution                                                               
pipes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WESTOVER answered that the  Municipality of Anchorage appeals                                                               
are heard by the Assembly.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:44:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL opened public testimony on both appointees.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:45:08 PM                                                                                                                    
WAYNE   KUBAT,  Vice   President,  Alaska   Professional  Hunters                                                               
Association (APHA),  Wasilla, Alaska, supported  the confirmation                                                               
of Mr.  Bunch to  the Big Game  Commercial Services  Board. Since                                                               
Mr.  Bunch became  a  registered guide  in 2012  he  had been  an                                                               
active  participant  in the  Big  Game  and Big  Game  Commercial                                                               
Services  Board activities.  He  sat with  him  on several  board                                                               
subcommittees  and had  observed that  he has  excellent computer                                                               
skills; his participation was key  in helping reformat their hunt                                                               
records.  Mr.  Bunch  is  personable  and  respectable  and  puts                                                               
passionate energy  into whatever he  does. Being that he  is from                                                               
Kodiak, he will  bring knowledge of the coastal  areas of Alaska.                                                               
He is very  fair minded and results-oriented; he will  come up to                                                               
speed fast and be a very valuable asset to the board.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:46:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL,  finding  no further  comments  or  questions  on                                                               
either appointee,  thanked them again for  volunteering for these                                                               
positions.  She  said  in  accordance   with  AS  39.05.080,  the                                                               
Resources  Committee reviewed  the following  and recommends  the                                                               
appointments be  forwarded to a joint  session for consideration:                                                               
Assessment  Review Board:  William Westover,  Anchorage, and  Big                                                               
Game Commercial  Services Board:  Jason Bunch, Kodiak.  This does                                                               
not  reflect an  intent by  any  of the  members to  vote for  or                                                               
against  confirmation  of  the  individuals  during  any  further                                                               
sessions. Committee members signed the report.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:47:30 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        SJR 13-URGING CO-MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR SEA OTTERS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:48:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL called  the meeting  back to  order and  announced                                                               
consideration of  SJR 13 [CSSJR 13(RES),  version 30-LS1408\J was                                                               
before the  committee.] At  the first  hearing on  Monday, public                                                               
testimony was opened and concluded.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  moved  to  adopt  CSSJR  13(RES),  version  30-                                                               
LS1408\U, as the working document.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:48:56 PM                                                                                                                    
RANDY  RUARO, Chief  of Staff  to Senator  Stedman, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature,  Juneau,  Alaska,   explained  two  changes  between                                                               
version J  to version U  of CSSJR 13(RES). On  page 4, line  3, a                                                               
new  resolve  clause  is  added  to urge  the  Secretary  of  the                                                               
Interior  to   waive  the  requirements  of   the  Marine  Mammal                                                               
Protection Act  to allow  the taking of  sea otters  in Southeast                                                               
Alaska. In addition,  on page 4, lines 28 &  29, language "who is                                                               
enrolled under  the Alaska Native Claims  Settlement Act (ANCSA)"                                                               
is add to those Alaska Natives  who would be eligible to take sea                                                               
otters.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL, finding no further  comments, removed her objected                                                               
and said CSSJR 13(RES), version U, was before them.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL moved to adopt  Conceptual Amendment 1 to on page                                                               
3, line 2, delete  "either" and on page 3, line  3, delete "or to                                                               
be enrolled under the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act".                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RUARO  explained  that  the  language  being  deleted  is  a                                                               
drafting error  and is  related to a  resolve cause  about relief                                                               
the resolution is seeking. It's not current law.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL  removed her objection, and  Conceptual Amendment 1                                                               
was adopted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if ADF&G supports it.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:52:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHRIS KRENZ, Wildlife Science  Coordinator, Division of Wildlife,                                                               
Alaska Department of  Fish and Game (ADF&G),  said the department                                                               
is neutral on SJR 13.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:53:25 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  the  department  had  done  any                                                               
research on  this issue  and if  he believes  the sea  otters are                                                               
impacting the fisheries in any way.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRENZ answered  that it is very clear that  sea otters have a                                                               
very large impact on the ecosystem  that has resulted in very low                                                               
numbers of shellfish in several areas.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT KELLEY, Director, Division  of Commercial Fisheries, Alaska                                                               
Department of  Fish and Game  (ADF&G), said they do  believe that                                                               
sea  otters are  impacting commercial  and subsistence  important                                                               
species.  He  added that  the  department  conducts scuba  diving                                                               
surveys   for   three   miscellaneous  shellfish   species:   sea                                                               
cucumbers, geoduck  clams, and  red sea  urchins, and  have often                                                               
noticed sea otters preying on  these creatures that are important                                                               
for  commercial fisheries  and subsistence.  In  fact, they  have                                                               
closed 12  sea cucumber areas,  6 geoduck  areas, and 10  red sea                                                               
urchin areas specifically because of sea otter predation.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  why the  department doesn't  support                                                               
the resolution with that knowledge.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KELLEY  answered  that  the department  is  neutral  on  the                                                               
resolution, but he  is calling in to present the  data related to                                                               
the on-topic species.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked if the  department has any  projections on                                                               
future impacts  on the three mentioned  fisheries and subsistence                                                               
access.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. KELLEY  answered it  is "very  safe" to  say that  sea otters                                                               
will continue  to expand their range  in the region. It  has been                                                               
well documented  since their introduction. Clear  that additional                                                               
areas  will  be  closed.  It's clear  the  additional  commercial                                                               
fishing  areas  will  be closed  for  these  three  miscellaneous                                                               
shellfish  species and  it's  pretty clear  that  sea otters  are                                                               
getting  close to  the  very heart  of  the commercial  Dungeness                                                               
fishery in  the region.  Once that happens  that fishery  will be                                                               
significantly affected.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN noted  that the harvest level had  gone down from                                                               
1,500 sea otters in the last five  years to 800 and the sea otter                                                               
population is  growing at  13 percent  a year.  So, they  are not                                                               
talking about decades  here, but years, before they  get into the                                                               
core Dungeness fishing  grounds.  He said a sea  otter herd is in                                                               
Duncan Canal already - quite the feasting grounds.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:57:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MEYER asked what preys on sea otters.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. KELLEY  replied that killer whales  are known to prey  on sea                                                               
otters, particularly out west in the Aleutians.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  KRENZ added  that  sharks  eat sea  otters,  too, but  their                                                               
population is still growing faster than that.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BISHOP asked if the  department had completed an economic                                                               
study on the loss to the  commercial Dungeness crab fleet and the                                                               
subsistence take.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:59:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  KELLEY replied  that the  Division  of Commercial  Fisheries                                                               
manages the  subsistence shellfish fisheries in  Southeast Alaska                                                               
and they  haven't closed any subsistence  shellfish fisheries and                                                               
wouldn't  - sea  otters or  not sea  otters. He  didn't have  the                                                               
information  on   whether  subsistence  harvest  had   gone  down                                                               
compared  to Tanner  20 years.  A formal  economic study  had not                                                               
been  done on  the  impacts to  commercial  fisheries, the  three                                                               
miscellaneous  dive fisheries,  and  Dungeness  crab. While  they                                                               
know sea otters  have a significant impact on  those creatures, a                                                               
lot of other factors affect  their abundance, as well. They don't                                                               
do  assessments   on  Dungeness  crab,   but  they  do   for  the                                                               
miscellaneous  shellfish, and  large-scale environmental  factors                                                               
drive their abundance, too.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  remarked  that Senator  Stedman  could  be                                                               
considered  the apex  predator of  the sea  otter but  asked what                                                               
kept them in  check a couple of hundred years  ago. Has something                                                               
changed in the ecosystem?                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. KRENZ  answered the ecosystem  was very different  before the                                                               
Russian fur trade started and sea  otters were hunted to very low                                                               
numbers. There weren't the  same invertebrate shellfish resources                                                               
available  at   that  time.  The  Division   of  Subsistence  has                                                               
information  indicating  that locals  would  hunt  sea otters  in                                                               
particular areas to protect clam beaches or crab areas.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL thanked  everyone  for being  available to  answer                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:03:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN  closed saying it's  time to take action  on this                                                               
issue and  try to get the  additional attention of the  U.S. Fish                                                               
and  Wildlife   Service  informing   them  that   coastal  Alaska                                                               
particularly Southeast  is having problems with  the magnitude of                                                               
the  growth  of  the  sea   otter  population  not  only  on  the                                                               
commercial  side  but  on  the  subsistence  side.  Many  coastal                                                               
communities don't have large super  markets, or daily flights, or                                                               
goods brought  in to have  a litany of  choices for what  to eat.                                                               
They actually go out onto the beach,  or into the water, or up on                                                               
the hillside, and get what they can gather from Mother Nature.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
They are  having a  severe challenge  with letting  the replanted                                                               
sea otters  grow at an unchecked  rate. It would be  nice to have                                                               
sea otters all over Southeast, but  at a lower level, and clearly                                                               
not to a point where they are impacting other areas of interest.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN noted  that the tourism trade likes  to watch sea                                                               
otters in  the water, but  there has to be  a balance. He  is not                                                               
looking  for eradication  of  the sea  otters,  but just  slowing                                                               
their growth.  He said state  control had been taken  away, which                                                               
was not the case when the  state replanted them in Southeast. Now                                                               
we have management from afar and  the whole table has been turned                                                               
on  us. A  good  Anchorage  Daily News  (AND)  article about  sea                                                               
otters had comments  from U.S. Fish and  wildlife indicating that                                                               
they didn't  really care, and  they should care about  the humans                                                               
that live in Southeast and other areas of coastal Alaska.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:07:12 PM                                                                                                                    
The management  style of doing  nothing after  particular beaches                                                               
and areas are  completely decimated will cause  other critters to                                                               
be listed  as endangered  or threatened,  too. He  reminded folks                                                               
that 1995,  the mouth of Glacier  Bay had five or  six otters and                                                               
in 2012 there was an estimated  8,000 of them. As a park, Glacier                                                               
Bay is  managed differently, but  if you  live there and  rely on                                                               
harvest, you definitely have a  different opinion. That growth in                                                               
Glacier Bay  is similar to  other areas  in the state:  Prince of                                                               
Wales, South Baranov Island, and he  heard a big raft of them was                                                               
next to Petersburg and ready to  go into the mouth of the Stikine                                                               
River. He said we need some federal help on this issue.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:08:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL moved  to  report CSSJR  13  (RES), version  30-                                                               
LS1408\U,   as   amended,    from   committee   with   individual                                                               
recommendations  and attached  zero  fiscal note.  There were  no                                                               
objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:09:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL adjourned the Senate Resources Committee meeting                                                                  
at 4:09 p.m.                                                                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Agenda - 3 - 19 - 2018 .pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
Big Game Comm Serv Board - Fact Sheet - 2 - 26 - 2018.pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
Appointments
Appointments - Resume - Bunch to Commercial Services Board.pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
Appointments
Appointments - Resume - Westover to State Assessment Review Board.pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
Appointments
Appointments - Fact Sheet - State Assessment Review Board - 2 - 19 - 2018 .pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
Appointments
CSSJR13 - Version U.pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
SJR 13
SJR 13 - Explanation of Changes.pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
SJR 13
HJR13 - Supporting Document - Letter - Johnny Rice.pdf SRES 3/19/2018 3:30:00 PM
HJR 13