Legislature(2017 - 2018)BUTROVICH 205

03/22/2017 03:30 PM RESOURCES

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03:30:14 PM Start
03:30:47 PM SB58
03:34:22 PM Confirmation Hearing: Board of Game
04:49:44 PM SB88
05:05:31 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Board of Game
- Karen Linnell
- Tom Lamall
-- Public Testimony on Appointees --
*+ SB 88 AK MENTAL HEALTH TRUST LAND EXCHANGE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 58 DEPT OF LAW: ADVOCACY BEFORE FERC TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 58 Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 22, 2017                                                                                         
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator John Coghill, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Kevin Meyer                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                           
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
  Tom Lamal - Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                 
  Karen Linnell - Glennallen, Alaska                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 58                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the Department of Law public advocacy                                                                       
function to participate in matters that come before the Federal                                                                 
Energy Regulatory Commission."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED  SB 58 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 88                                                                                                              
"An Act authorizing  a land exchange with  the federal government                                                               
in which  certain Alaska  mental health  trust land  is exchanged                                                               
for certain  national forest  land and relating  to the  costs of                                                               
the exchange; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  58                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: DEPT OF LAW: ADVOCACY BEFORE FERC                                                                                  
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/13/17       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/13/17       (S)       RES, JUD, FIN                                                                                          
03/20/17       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/20/17       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/20/17       (S)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
03/22/17       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  88                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: AK MENTAL HEALTH TRUST LAND EXCHANGE                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): STEDMAN                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
03/10/17       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/10/17       (S)       RES, FIN                                                                                               
03/22/17       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TOM LAMAL, Appointee                                                                                                            
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Appointee to the Board of Game.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KAREN LINNELL                                                                                                                   
Glennallen, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Appointee to the Board of Game.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LEWIS BRADLEY, representing himself                                                                                             
MatSu Valley, Alaska                                                                                                            
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Mr. Lamal's appointment to the                                                                 
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
GREG TURNER, representing himself                                                                                               
Delta Junction, Alaska                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Mr. Lamal's appointment to the                                                                 
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE CAIN, representing himself                                                                                                
Glennallen, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Ms. Linnell's appointment to the                                                               
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DICK BURLEY, representing himself                                                                                               
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Mr. Lamal's appointment to the                                                                 
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SAM ROHRER, President                                                                                                           
Alaska Professional Hunters Association (APHA)                                                                                  
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Ms. Linnell's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD BISHOP                                                                                                                  
Alaska Outdoor Council (AOC)                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Opposed Ms.  Linnell's appointment  to the                                                             
BOG.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
JAMES LOW, representing himself                                                                                                 
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Supported Mr.  Lamal's appointment  to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BEN STEVENS                                                                                                                     
Tanana Chief's Conference                                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Ms. Linnell's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Resident Hunters of Alaska                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Supported Mr.  Lamal's appointment  to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
NICOLE BORROMEO, Executive Vice President and General Counsel                                                                   
Alaska Federation of Natives (AFN)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Ms. Linnell's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JEFF SAXE, representing himself                                                                                                 
Valdez, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Supported Mr.  Lamal's appointment  to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
FAYE EWAN, representing herself                                                                                                 
Copper Center, Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Ms. Linnell's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
AARON BLOOMQUIST, representing himself                                                                                          
Copper Center, Alaska                                                                                                           
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Supported  Ms. Linnell's  and Mr.  Lamal's                                                             
appointment to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BERT STEDMAN                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Sponsor of SB 88.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
WYN MENEFEE, Deputy Director                                                                                                    
Trust Land Office                                                                                                               
Mental Health Trust                                                                                                             
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Commented on SB 88.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CATHY   GIESSEL  called  the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:30  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Stedman,  Coghill, Meyer,  Wielechowski, and                                                               
Chair Giessel.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
            SB  58-DEPT OF LAW: ADVOCACY BEFORE FERC                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:30:47 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL announced  consideration of SB 58. She  said it was                                                               
introduced  by  the  Rules  Committee   at  the  request  of  the                                                               
Governor.  The  Department of  Law  (DOL)  is the  bill  manager.                                                               
Public testimony was  heard on Monday and  closed. The department                                                               
is here  to answer questions today.  She asked if there  were any                                                               
questions on SB 58.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:30:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR VON IMHOF joined the meeting.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:31:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL  moved  to  report SB  58  from  committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations  and attached zero fiscal  note. There                                                               
being no objection, the motion carried.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:31:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES joined committee.                                                                                                
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^Confirmation Hearing: Board of Game                                                                                            
              Confirmation Hearing: Board of Game                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
3:34:22 PM                                                                                                                  
CHAIR  GIESSEL  announced  consideration  of the  Board  of  Game                                                               
nominees.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM LAMAL,  Appointee, Board of Game,  Fairbanks, Alaska, related                                                               
that  he was  born in  Ashland,  Wisconsin, in  1948 and  enjoyed                                                               
great hunting  and fishing there.  He probably read "Call  of the                                                               
Wild" by Jack  London 30 times when he was  in elementary school,                                                               
so Alaska was  on his radar from  the third grade on.  He went to                                                               
Regis  College in  Denver, Colorado,  where he  graduated with  a                                                               
Bachelor of  Arts and a  teaching certificate. He came  to Alaska                                                               
after  graduation in  1971. He  met his  wife, Kate,  in 1982  in                                                               
Livengood  where  she  was  exploring for  gold,  and  they  were                                                               
married  in 1983.  She is  his best  friend and  hunting partner.                                                               
They  also  enjoy  retriever   training,  field  trial  training,                                                               
rafting,  cross  country  skiing,  flying,  and  gold  mining  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMAL  said  he  has  had  jobs  that  have  given  him  the                                                               
opportunity to live  and work in several areas of  Alaska. In the                                                               
early 1970s he worked for  the Division of Aviation, surveying in                                                               
bush  airstrips on  the Seward  Peninsula and  the West  Coast of                                                               
Alaska. He also worked on the  pipeline staking out the Haul Road                                                               
from the  Yukon to Prudhoe Bay.  Then he worked on  the main line                                                               
after  the   road  was  built.   Surveying  also  gave   him  the                                                               
opportunity  to  work  on  remote  defense  sites  and  airstrips                                                               
throughout the Brooks Range.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMAL said  he was  in Southeast  for a  while working  on a                                                               
seine  boat, fishing  from British  Columbia to  Juneau. He  also                                                               
drifted several years in Bristol Bay  and had a Lower Yukon drift                                                               
permit and  a Norton  Sound herring permit.  He taught  school in                                                               
Fairbanks  for 16  years, which  allowed him  to keep  commercial                                                               
fishing, because  he had the  summers off. Working in  the school                                                               
system  gave  him  the  opportunity   to  facilitate  the  hunter                                                               
education program in  the Fairbanks schools. He is  a life member                                                               
of  the   National  Rifle  Association  (NRA),   the  Wild  Sheep                                                               
Foundation,   and   several   other  organizations   like   Ducks                                                               
Unlimited, Pheasants Forever,  Fairbanks Retriever Club, Resident                                                               
Hunters of  Alaska, Rough Grouse  Society, Alaska  Airman, Alaska                                                               
Waterfowl Association, and others.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL  said he  has been contemplating  ways to  maintain the                                                               
ability of  Alaskans to have  quality hunting experiences  and he                                                               
is  honored that  the governor  chose him  for this  position. He                                                               
feels he can be effective in maintaining this experience.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL asked why he  resigned from the Alaska Professional                                                               
Teaching Practices Commission.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMAL said  he resigned  from the  commission after  he quit                                                               
teaching,  because he  didn't think  he would  have the  pulse of                                                               
what was going on in the schools.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL thanked him for  being willing to serve and added                                                               
that every  email he  has received says  his credibility  is very                                                               
high.  Allocation is  one of  the issues  the Interior  struggles                                                               
with, he said,  but the antlerless moose  hunt continually raises                                                               
its head  and asked  if that  is something  that the  board deals                                                               
with in a big way or if it is a department policy issue.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMAL   said  normally  the  department   does  studies  and                                                               
recommends shooting  cows or not.  The board has to  approve what                                                               
the department presents to them.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL said  he personally  isn't a  fan of  antlerless                                                               
moose hunts, and asked if Mr. Lamal  had been in on some of those                                                               
discussions and if he holds a particular view.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL said he is not a  fan shooting cow moose either, but he                                                               
wasn't saying  he would  never vote  for a cow  season if  such a                                                               
situation arose. His  feeling is that in  managing for abundance,                                                               
there are  a lot of  moose there will also  be a lot  wolves. So,                                                               
trappers  can  trap the  wolves  and  people can  harvest  moose.                                                               
Therefore, until there  is a crisis he doesn't see  the reason to                                                               
shoot the cows. Wolves are a  big issue right now and people want                                                               
to see them.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:41:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  said the  bear population  is another  big issue                                                               
for predator management and the  wolves and bear are probably the                                                               
hardest to  control under intensive  management, and asked  if he                                                               
had  been a  part of  a discussion  on any  way to  better manage                                                               
bears or if it is something the state is already doing well.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMAL said  black bears  are more  predacious on  moose than                                                               
wolves especially  in the  spring when they  are calving.  So, he                                                               
has no problem with bear baiting and predator control on bears.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL  asked  if  he   was  involved  in  any  of  the                                                               
discussions about flying in for sheep hunts.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL  said he  is quite  aware of  proposal 207.  He doesn't                                                               
approve of  it, but for a  different reason than most  people do.                                                               
He  doesn't  approve  of  it because  it  was  a  board-generated                                                               
proposal. He  feels that proposals  should come from  the public,                                                               
and then the  board should decide if they are  going to oppose or                                                               
support those  proposals. This proposal  came about  because some                                                               
people were  upset with people  flying around looking  for sheep.                                                               
Well, he has a super cub  and doesn't do that; he doesn't approve                                                               
of people  who do  that either.  Dr. Todd  Brinkman did  a survey                                                               
that  indicated other  things were  more  important to  residents                                                               
than airplanes and sheep.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL asked  if  that resulted  in  an allocation  for                                                               
local sheep hunts.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:44:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. LAMAL responded  no. Dr. Brinkman had two surveys:  one was a                                                               
random  survey that  picked several  people throughout  the state                                                               
and the  other was a  non-random survey where people  could weigh                                                               
in on the  issue. In the random survey, 77  percent of the people                                                               
said  that  non-residents were  the  problem.  In the  non-random                                                               
survey, 100 percent said non-residents were the problem.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked what he thought  about allowing moose                                                               
hunts in the Anchorage Bowl.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LAMAL answered  that he  doesn't go  to Anchorage  and isn't                                                               
that familiar with the problem.  Fairbanks had moose hunts in the                                                               
past, but not now.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said another issue  that pops up every other                                                               
year  is establishing  a  buffer  zone in  Denali  State Park  to                                                               
protect  the  wolves  in  Denali  National  Park.  What  are  his                                                               
thoughts on that?                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL  answered that he would  not vote for the  buffer zone.                                                               
He understands  people wanting wildlife viewing,  but the animals                                                               
migrate in and out  of the park all the time.  In his recent trip                                                               
to  Tanzania  he  saw  many protected  animals  in  the  wildlife                                                               
viewing areas, but  outside those areas where  hunting is allowed                                                               
the animals  are wary of  hunters and all  you see is  dust. Tags                                                               
are  allocated for  hunting outside  of the  parks. It's  kind of                                                               
cool that  the hunters and the  park people worked the  issue out                                                               
together. He said  wolves travel a lot and that  they go from his                                                               
place on the Wood River to the park in any one day.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI asked  if  spotting or  land  and shoot  is                                                               
something he would support for predator control.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL answered he supports  the most economic and most humane                                                               
way to control animal populations.  He would have no problem with                                                               
aerial shooting a  pack of wolves, but not harassing  them in the                                                               
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if he supported  bear baiting outside                                                               
of Denali National Park.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL said  he doesn't have a problem with  bear baiting, but                                                               
he supports not  allowing bear baiters to shoot  wolves over bear                                                               
bait  in the  spring when  their hides  aren't valuable.  He also                                                               
said trapping for wolves shouldn't be banned.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:50:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if he supported bear  baiting but not                                                               
wolf baiting - if  it were the most economical way  to get rid of                                                               
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL  said he  wasn't familiar with  wolf baiting,  and that                                                               
all trappers have something to attract animals to their traps.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked if  he  is  okay with  bear  baiting                                                               
outside of Denali Park.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL answered yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:50:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  asked if aerial  wolf hunting is permitted  in the                                                               
State of Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL answered if the Board  of Game authorizes it in certain                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL  said  the  state has  predator  control,  but  it                                                               
doesn't do aerial wolf hunting.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL said he stood corrected.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  VON  IMHOF thanked  him  for  being  here today  and  in                                                               
person, and asked  what he has done in particular  to prepare for                                                               
this position in the time since he was initially appointed.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL  replied that he just  had both knees replaced  and was                                                               
recuperating from that  and then was in Tanzania for  a month. He                                                               
has  kept up  with  reading  the proposal  books  and talking  to                                                               
friends who had attended the meetings.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL  said he mentioned  being part of  Resident Hunters                                                               
of Alaska  and BOG  folks are  supposed to come  in with  an open                                                               
mind, and  asked if he  feels his organization  affiliation would                                                               
bias him related to guides and out-of-state hunters.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. LAMAL responded  that people get labeled and there  is no way                                                               
around it. When  he was a teacher he would  invite people on both                                                               
sides of an issue  to talk. He told his kids  if you don't listen                                                               
to other people they are not going  to listen to you. Even if you                                                               
don't agree with how somebody thinks,  if you listen to what they                                                               
have  to  say,  you  will   learn  something  and  become  better                                                               
educated; maybe they will convince  you and maybe you'll convince                                                               
them. It has always been his policy to be open minded.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI read  regulation 5 AAC 92.110  on control of                                                               
predation by  wolves. He didn't know  if it had been  repealed or                                                               
not,  but it's  showing up  on the  state website  right now.  It                                                               
says: "The commissioner or  the commissioner's designee including                                                               
contracted agents or other governmental  agencies may reduce wolf                                                               
populations in  an efficient manner  by any means, but  as safely                                                               
and humanely as practical including the use of a helicopter."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL thanked Mr. Lamal.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:56:30 PM                                                                                                                    
KAREN  LINNELL, Glennallen,  Alaska,  Appointee,  Board of  Game,                                                               
said  she has  been in  Alaska all  her life,  but went  to South                                                               
Carolina for  a few months. She  has lived in many  places around                                                               
the state including  Soldotna, Anchorage, Fairbanks, Chistochina,                                                               
Valdez, and now  Glennallen. She is Ahtna  Athabascan and Tlingit                                                               
from Kake.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
As  chair   of  the   Wrangell/St.  Elias   Subsistence  Resource                                                               
Commission (SRC), Ms.  Linnell said she wanted to  thank them for                                                               
SR 4 opposing federal overreach.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL  said her activities  in wildlife  management started                                                               
when she got on the Ahtna  board and became involved with Ahtna's                                                               
CNT and went to many BOG  meetings. She became vice chair for the                                                               
Copper Basin Advisory Committee (AC),  but she resigned that post                                                               
when she  was appointed to the  BOG in November. When  she became                                                               
involved  with the  Copper  Basin  AC it  was  to  try to  effect                                                               
positive change  in terms of  what is  best for the  resource. In                                                               
doing that,  she learned to talk  and listen to both  sides: they                                                               
can agree  to disagree,  but they are  still neighbors.  She also                                                               
chaired  the governor's  transition  committee  on wildlife  that                                                               
included  environmental folks,  the non-consumptive  users, guide                                                               
outfitters, former department staff,  and subsistence users. They                                                               
were able  to come to a  consensus that the wildlife  resource is                                                               
the  most important  piece and  that  having healthy  populations                                                               
benefits all Alaskans. That is one  of the goals they put forward                                                               
to the governor.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN said  it  was good  to hear  she  has family  in                                                               
Southeast and a  background on Southeast issues and  asked her to                                                               
elaborate a little more on that.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL  responded that  she grew  up in  the North,  but her                                                               
mother  was born  and raised  in Kake  and she  still has  family                                                               
there.  Her mother  eventually  went to  the  Children's Home  in                                                               
Sitka and later  went to Sheldon Jackson. A lot  of Ms. Linnell's                                                               
family are in Juneau today for the Gold Medal Tournament.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL thanked  her for being willing to  serve. He said                                                               
it's very  seldom that  people hear of  Eastern Alaska,  but it's                                                               
important to  have someone familiar  with that area.   Because of                                                               
her  work  with Ahtna  Intertribal  Resource  Commission and  the                                                               
board  she could  maybe  explain where  the  differences are  and                                                               
where the  tensions rise  and comment on  whether she  could look                                                               
past some of those tensions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL answered  that she didn't see tension.  They all want                                                               
the same thing: healthy populations  and access to those animals.                                                               
The Commission has  been working with Ahtna, Inc.,  and have done                                                               
roughly 1,500  acres of moose habitat  improvement projects using                                                               
mechanical  manipulation  and  they  are looking  at  doing  some                                                               
community wildfire protection plans around three communities.                                                                   
There  are  three  ways  to  make  wildlife  habitat:  mechanical                                                               
manipulation,  fire, and  hand manipulation  (planting of  trees,                                                               
etc.); so, they are trying to integrate all of those.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Right  now they  have been  working with  Ahtna and  the USDA  to                                                               
enhance the  fire line on  the north side of  Glennallen. Instead                                                               
of just a  straight fire line that is there  now they are looking                                                               
at using pockets  of moose browse to break up  the tree stands to                                                               
lessen the fire danger. The SRC  also wants to protect access and                                                               
subsistence uses in the park.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL said she hoped to  marry her experience on the Copper                                                               
Basin AC  and the  Ahtna Intertribal  Resource Commission  to see                                                               
what  works best  across the  different  landscapes. The  animals                                                               
know no  boundaries and cross  them all  the time. When  you talk                                                               
subsistence  with  park  folks   they  are  talking  about  rural                                                               
residents and when  they talk about sport users  they are talking                                                               
about folks  that are non-federally  qualified. With  state folks                                                               
subsistence users is still an  ambiguous term and sport users are                                                               
the non-residents  who come  to Alaska  to hunt.  So, there  is a                                                               
vocabulary  difference. If  that can  be improved  to where  they                                                               
understand  each other,  they  can  maybe get  rid  of  a lot  of                                                               
differences.  Again,  they  all  want  the  same  thing:  healthy                                                               
populations and a habitat that can sustain those populations.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:08:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL asked what the SRC is.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL  replied it is  the Wrangell Saint  Elias Subsistence                                                               
Resources Commission  that is tasked with  protecting subsistence                                                               
access, which is for federally qualified users.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  said when she sits  on the BOG she  will have to                                                               
put on  a little different hat  than looking at it  from both the                                                               
resource conservation  and the SRC  views and asked if  she would                                                               
be able to do that comfortably.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL  replied that being a  tribal member, she has  had to                                                               
change  hats frequently,  because representing  small communities                                                               
requires being  able to wear multiple  hats, as well as  wear the                                                               
tribal hat  in dealing  with council  business and  the corporate                                                               
hat in dealing with corporate  business. Sometimes they don't get                                                               
along so  well. But the  vocabulary issue  is the same  for party                                                               
lines and for boundaries and they  should be able to work through                                                               
those issues.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL said  coming from the Ahtna region she  has a lot                                                               
of knowledge,  but that region  also has  a lot of  visitors from                                                               
other areas of the state, because  it's on the road system and it                                                               
happens to  be a good  game area. It is  an intense area,  but it                                                               
needs to be figured out.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL agreed  and said finding that balance  and looking at                                                               
both  sides is  something she  can bring  to the  table. She  has                                                               
experience on the federal side and  can talk to those issues. She                                                               
has  heard quite  often that  they  have a  federal priority  and                                                               
that's good  enough, but when  you look  at the little  sliver of                                                               
federal land  that is  available for hunting  in that  unit, it's                                                               
not as large as one would  think. That got demonstrated by Bureau                                                               
of  Land Management  staff at  a recent  meeting; it  opened some                                                               
eyes  and came  from the  mouths of  others besides  Ahtna folks.                                                               
Maybe it's  just a  question of  having the  right people  in the                                                               
room to be able to share that balance.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:12:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR   WIELECHOWSKI   asked   if  she   thought   the   Alaska                                                               
Constitution  should be  amended to  comply with  Alaska National                                                               
Interest  Lands  Conservation  Act  (ANILCA)  or  the  other  way                                                               
around.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL said that is way  above her pay grade, and that would                                                               
have been an easier fix a while ago, but not now.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said the problem  has still not been solved,                                                               
and  as a  BOG  member she  would  be  in a  position  to take  a                                                               
leadership role in solving it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL  said she wouldn't  be dealing  with that issue  as a                                                               
BOG  member.  That  will  be   coming  from  the  public  to  the                                                               
legislature.  She added  that the  local folks  at a  BOG meeting                                                               
talk well  with each other and  the biologists from the  park and                                                               
the state  work well together,  but the dialogue changes  when it                                                               
gets higher  up in the  ranks. A lot of  that could be  driven on                                                               
the federal side from D.C. and  some of it is driven by mandates.                                                               
Some  education  could happen  there,  especially  in regards  to                                                               
ANILCA.  She  has  mentioned  to the  delegation  that  the  Park                                                               
Service and  Fish and  Wildlife Service need  to know  more about                                                               
ANILCA and  what its mandates are.  They can't do this  top down,                                                               
cookie-cutter approach across the nation  and have it fit what is                                                               
mandated in Alaska.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:15:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI said  the fish  and game  website says  the                                                               
board is also involved with  setting policy and direction for the                                                               
management of the state's wildlife resources.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said that's very much in her tasks.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL agreed,  but said the BOG has no  authority to move a                                                               
constitutional amendment forward.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES thanked  Ms.  Linnell for  being  here today  and                                                               
acknowledged her  wealth of information and  experience. She said                                                               
she also appreciates  the fact that Ms. Linell  is experienced in                                                               
trading off  various hats. Senator  Hughes said she  represents a                                                               
district that  likes to go into  Game Management Unit 13  and her                                                               
understanding is  that Ahtna  has proposed  a preference  for the                                                               
local folks and yet the  State Constitution and the McDowell case                                                               
say the BOG cannot allocate based  on where people live, and that                                                               
will  need to  be  reconciled  even though  her  goal is  healthy                                                               
populations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN  said  most  folks  in  rural  Alaska  could  be                                                               
expected to support  subsistence. His district has  one town that                                                               
is not  a subsistence  community, and one  of the  most sensitive                                                               
local issues that  comes up is when the  federal government looks                                                               
at a particular community and decides  if they want to rule it as                                                               
non-subsistence.  There   is  no  interest   in  going   to  non-                                                               
subsistence, in  fact there is  an interest in the  one community                                                               
to convert to subsistence. They are  just forced out of it by the                                                               
federal government.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL asked if at this  point she is still chair of the                                                               
Intertribal Resource Conservation Commission.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL replied no; she is the executive director.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL asked if that creates a conflict.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL replied the commission  is working with Ahtna through                                                               
Department of Agriculture (USDA)  to create moose browse projects                                                               
and  has an  MOA  with the  USDA and  Department  of Interior  to                                                               
cooperatively manage wildlife on federal  lands. At this stage no                                                               
one  knows  what  that  is,  but it  will  immediately  create  a                                                               
subsistence local  advisory committee  that will consist  of some                                                               
appointees from  the Ahtna  Intertribal Resource  Commission, the                                                               
Eastern Interior and Southcentral  Rural Advisory committees, and                                                               
from the Denali  and Wrangell St. Elias SRCs, and  ADF&G will get                                                               
to appoint somebody to make a  plan on federal lands within Ahtna                                                               
traditional territory  including BLM  unencumbered lands  and the                                                               
park.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL said  it looks  like she  is trying  to increase                                                               
species  management   and  that  won't  conflict   with  the  BOG                                                               
allocation focus.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL agreed. It's long been  her view that not acting when                                                               
there is an abundance of bears  or wolves is choosing one species                                                               
over  another. There  is an  imbalance that  can be  seen in  the                                                               
decline of the  Shoshana and Mentasta caribou herds.  More of the                                                               
traditional trapping could be used,  but there are access issues.                                                               
So,  if access  can be  improved within  those areas,  maybe that                                                               
type of management could be improved.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL asked  if  she is  an  advocate for  science-based                                                               
management and intensive management of species.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. LINNELL  answered yes; there  needs to  be a balance.  At one                                                               
time the Copper Basin AC put  forward three proposals: one to set                                                               
the  population   objectives,  one  to  set   triggers  for  when                                                               
intensive  management would  go  into effect,  and  the other  to                                                               
trigger when cow hunts would  come into effect. But that holistic                                                               
type of approach doesn't always  come across well, because it had                                                               
to  be   submitted  in  three  separate   proposals  (because  of                                                               
codification) and none of them passed.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GIESSEL thanked  her  and opened  public  comment on  both                                                               
appointees.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:24:37 PM                                                                                                                    
LEWIS  BRADLEY,  representing   himself,  MatSu  Valley,  Alaska,                                                               
supported  Mr. Lamal's  appointment  to the  Board  of Game.  Mr.                                                               
Lamal is  very concerned with  management issues  and understands                                                               
the BOG process. He has an  open mind, is fair and honestly seeks                                                               
solutions to issues, and wants what  is best for the wildlife. He                                                               
once  said that  listening  to  all sides  of  an  issue is  very                                                               
important in making informed decisions.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:27:29 PM                                                                                                                    
GREG  TURNER,  representing   himself,  Delta  Junction,  Alaska,                                                               
supported Mr. Lamal's appointment to the  Board of Game. He is an                                                               
enthusiastic outdoorsman who has  a deep respect and appreciation                                                               
for  all  Alaska has  to  offer.  He  will serve  with  fairness,                                                               
honesty, and integrity.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:28:39 PM                                                                                                                    
BRUCE CAIN,  representing himself, Glennallen,  Alaska, supported                                                               
Ms. Linnell's appointment to the Board  of Game. He has known Ms.                                                               
Linnell for 25  years and worked with her on  a number of issues.                                                               
She has  a lot of experience  with the BOG process  and knows the                                                               
federal issues  and can be  a bridge  to resolving some  of those                                                               
issues. She  is a hard  worker, studies issues, and  listens; she                                                               
can make a balanced and informed decision.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:30:09 PM                                                                                                                    
DICK BURLEY,  representing himself, Fairbanks,  Alaska, supported                                                               
Mr. Lamal's  appointment to the Board  of Game. He is  was a very                                                               
respected teacher;  he also served  on the Fairbanks AC  where he                                                               
did a good job. He  approaches everything he does with enthusiasm                                                               
and has  done a  good job,  and he  will continue  that if  he is                                                               
confirmed to the BOG.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:31:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SAM  ROHRER, President,  Alaska Professional  Hunters Association                                                               
(APHA), Kodiak,  Alaska, supported  Ms. Linnell's  appointment to                                                               
the Board  of Game. She  will be an  asset to the  board process,                                                               
especially with  all the recent  issues in the Ahtna  region. She                                                               
will bring information to the board  and back to the region. They                                                               
also appreciate  having one  more woman's voice  on the  board as                                                               
there is now only one woman member.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:32:27 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD BISHOP, Alaska Outdoor  Council (AOC), Fairbanks, Alaska,                                                               
opposed  Ms.  Linnell's  appointment  to  the  BOG.  Due  to  her                                                               
responsibilities in  the Ahtna community she  has an "intractable                                                               
conflict of  interest" with the  duties and obligations of  a BOG                                                               
member,  specifically  regarding  the   MOA  the  she  signed  as                                                               
executive director  of the Ahtna Intertribal  Resource Commission                                                               
with   the   Department   of  Interior.   The   MOA   anticipates                                                               
establishing a new federal Ahtna  cooperative structure under the                                                               
Federal  Subsistence   Board  for  regulation,   management,  and                                                               
harvest allocation of moose, caribou,  and other game and fish on                                                               
federal  lands adjacent  to Ahtna  lands and  the eight  villages                                                               
with triable representation. This  structure would basically shut                                                               
out  the  State  of  Alaska's game  management,  BOG,  and  state                                                               
advisory  committee process  on  federal lands  in  the area  and                                                               
could  impair  state management  on  adjacent  state and  private                                                               
lands.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  said  only  token,  meaningless   participation  in  the  MOA                                                               
proposal is  offered to the  state with  a caveat that  the state                                                               
would  take  no  action  on   nearby  private  lands  that  would                                                               
interrupt the  decisions of the  advisory committee set  up under                                                               
the MOA.  Allocations of  harvest would  favor tribal  members of                                                               
the  eight  villages in  that  area.  That  amounts to  a  racial                                                               
priority  on  top  of  the  existing  federal  rural  subsistence                                                               
priority. The  goals of the  department and the  Ahtna Commission                                                               
are  substantially  inconsistent  with   the  State  of  Alaska's                                                               
Constitutional and statutory responsibility and authority.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:35:56 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES  LOW, representing  himself,  Fairbanks, Alaska,  supported                                                               
Mr. Lamal's appointment  to the Board of Game. Most  of Mr. Low's                                                               
contacts with Mr. Lamal were  through the after school program as                                                               
part  of the  crew of  the  ADF&G hunter  education basic  course                                                               
where  he was  a teacher.  He  was also  invited to  talk to  Mr.                                                               
Lamal's   Alaska  studies   class  on   the  topic   of  wildlife                                                               
enforcement. He  would bring  in speakers from  both sides  of an                                                               
issue making  sure his students  were well informed and  then let                                                               
them make up their own minds.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:37:47 PM                                                                                                                    
BEN  STEVENS,  Tanana   Chief's  Conference,  Fairbanks,  Alaska,                                                               
supported Ms.  Linnell's appointment to  the Board of  Game. They                                                               
believe she  has the  skills, abilities,  and knowledge  to serve                                                               
the people  of Alaska well. She  is able to find  consensus among                                                               
seemingly  incompatible  philosophies and  has  a  wide array  of                                                               
experiences and  a favorable  track record when  it comes  to the                                                               
various regulatory regimes  in the state of  Alaska including the                                                               
Copper River AC.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
She also  honor's the Alaska  State Constitution's Article  8, in                                                               
particular,   regarding  the   sustained   yield  principle   and                                                               
considering the health  and productivity of the land  as a factor                                                               
in order to achieve and maintain abundant wildlife resources.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:40:11 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK RICHARDS,  Executive Director,  Resident Hunters  of Alaska,                                                               
Fairbanks,  Alaska,  supported  Mr. Lamal's  appointment  to  the                                                               
Board  of  Game.   Mr.  Lamal  has  been   involved  in  wildlife                                                               
management  and   conservation  issues   for  a  long   time.  He                                                               
epitomizes  the type  of Alaskan  who would  be an  asset on  the                                                               
board. With  his personal  experience across  Alaska as  a hunter                                                               
and  fisherman, as  an  instructor and  board  member of  several                                                               
hunting conservation organizations, and  serving on the Fairbanks                                                               
F&G AC,  he can step  right in on the  Board of Game,  because he                                                               
knows  how it  works. He  listens to  all sides  of an  issue and                                                               
respects all  opinions and, in  fact, encourages  informed debate                                                               
from all sides.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:41:43 PM                                                                                                                    
NICOLE BORROMEO,  Executive Vice  President and  General Counsel,                                                               
Alaska Federation of Natives  (AFN), Anchorage, Alaska, supported                                                               
Ms. Linnell's  appointment to  the Board  of Game.  She supported                                                               
and  echoed Mr.  Rohrer's comments  from the  Alaska Professional                                                               
Hunters  Association (APHA).  Ms. Linnell  has other  traits that                                                               
will  make an  ideal  BOG  member: she  is  passionate and  cares                                                               
deeply  about the  purpose of  the board,  namely conserving  and                                                               
developing  Alaska's  wildlife  resources. Second,  she  has  the                                                               
experience that is required of a  board member and is a life-long                                                               
Alaskan including a  hunter and fisher. She is from  a rural area                                                               
understands the BOG purposes very  intimately. Third, she has the                                                               
time necessary  to devote  to this board.  She is  very attentive                                                               
and monitors all of the BOG  proposals and findings and stays up-                                                               
to-date on  them. And fifth, she  is collegial and ready  to take                                                               
on tough  issues and work  through them. She is  comfortable with                                                               
healthy  conflicts  and knows  how  to  achieve resolution  while                                                               
keeping working relationships intact.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BORROMEO  said  AFN  does  not believe  Ms.  Linnell  has  a                                                               
conflict  of interest  as Mr.  Bishop stated.  In regards  to the                                                               
state participation in  the MOU with the  Department of Interior,                                                               
that is  something that they  and Ahtna  had pushed for,  and the                                                               
door is  still open to state  participation. This is not  a race-                                                               
based  priority, because  the committee  well  knows Indians  are                                                               
classified as a political entity under federal law.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:44:10 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFF SAXE,  representing himself,  Valdez, Alaska,  supported Mr.                                                               
Lamal's appointment to the Board of  Game. He has been around the                                                               
state for  a long time  and has  seen a lot  of things go  on. He                                                               
would be very open minded on both sides of an issue.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:45:13 PM                                                                                                                    
FAYE   EWAN,  representing   herself,   Copper  Center,   Alaska,                                                               
supported Ms.  Linnell's appointment  to the  Board of  Game. She                                                               
has a  lot of traditional  knowledge about moose and  caribou and                                                               
all  the land  around Alaska.  She is  not biased  or prejudiced.                                                               
Ahtna hired  her to  do her job;  it has nothing  to do  with the                                                               
Board  of Game  where  she  would be  representing  the State  of                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. EWAN said  in being a council member and  on different boards                                                               
in the  Ahtna region,  she works closely  with Ms.  Linnell. They                                                               
frequently  talk about  hunting  in the  Copper  River and  other                                                               
areas, the  shortage of game,  and how  many times they  heard on                                                               
the  Yukon River  there was  no fish  and no  moose. They  always                                                               
talked about how  they should be sharing with  the other regions.                                                               
Ms. Linnell  never said anything  bad about anyone on  the boards                                                               
or any agencies.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:47:26 PM                                                                                                                    
AARON  BLOOMQUIST, representing  himself, Copper  Center, Alaska,                                                               
supported Ms. Linnell's and Mr.  Lamal's appointment to the Board                                                               
of  Game. He  said he  lived in  Anchorage for  10 years  and was                                                               
chairman of  the Fish  and Game Advisory  Committee. He  lived in                                                               
Tok for six years and now he  lives in Copper Center where he has                                                               
spent the last  15 summers. He served on  the previous governor's                                                               
transition  team with  Ms. Linnell  and  got to  know her  pretty                                                               
well. She  is a great leader  and a great consensus  builder. She                                                               
is open  minded and  can really  put a  few people  together that                                                               
don't necessarily agree and get some stuff done.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BLOOMQUIST said  he had known Mr. Lamal a  little bit for the                                                               
last six  or seven years and  thinks he would also  be a suitable                                                               
board member.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:49:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GIESSEL  found  no  further  comments  and  closed  public                                                               
testimony.  She  said  in  accordance   with  AS  39.05.080,  the                                                               
Resources  Committee reviewed  the following  and recommends  the                                                               
appointments be  forwarded to a joint  session for consideration:                                                               
Board  of Game:  Karen Linnell  and Thomas  Lamal. This  does not                                                               
reflect an  intent by any of  the members to vote  for or against                                                               
the confirmation of the individuals during any further sessions.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          SB  88-AK MENTAL HEALTH TRUST LAND EXCHANGE                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:49:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  announced consideration of  SB 88 that  deals with                                                               
land exchanges  related to  the Alaska  Mental Health  Trust Land                                                               
Office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN,  Alaska   State  Legislature,  Juneau,  Alaska,                                                               
sponsor  of SB  88, said  this measure  facilitates a  land trade                                                               
between  the  Alaska Mental  Health  Trust  and the  U.S.  Forest                                                               
Service in Southeast. The federal  government will receive 20,000                                                               
acres and will give up 18,000  acres. This land exchange has been                                                               
going on for many years and is a win-win situation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He explained  that some  lands are  adjacent to  communities like                                                               
Petersburg and Ketchikan that the  Mental Health Trust had viewed                                                               
for timber  harvest for revenue,  and both communities  wanted to                                                               
have the  timber harvest  not so close  to their  communities and                                                               
their view sheds. So, that  facilitates some of these parcels; it                                                               
improves the logging productivity  available from Alaska land. It                                                               
has been worked through many  meetings with environmental groups,                                                               
communities, Mental Health, and the Forest Service.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WYN MENEFEE,  Deputy Director, Trust  Land Office,  Mental Health                                                               
Trust,  Anchorage, Alaska,  said essentially,  the Alaska  Mental                                                               
Health Trust  is the foundational  purpose for this  exchange. It                                                               
is a perpetual trust that  helps support comprehensive integrated                                                               
mental  health  services  in  Alaska.   He  provided  a  list  of                                                               
beneficiaries.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said the  trust gives about $20 million  annually to projects,                                                               
activities,  state   agencies,  and  non-profits   statewide.  In                                                               
Southeast  they  have  done  capital  grants  like  the  $100,000                                                               
capital grant  to Petersburg Mental  Health Services and  the $10                                                               
million  grant to  help  fund Medicare.  Revenues  are needed  to                                                               
support that  and to  keep the  trust alive. So,  the job  of the                                                               
Trust  Land Office  is basically  as  a contractor  to the  Trust                                                               
Authority.  They  manage  the  non-cash   assets:  the  land  and                                                               
resources,  in  the best  interests  of  the trust.  They  manage                                                               
multiple asset classes and one of those is timber.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
This  exchange  will  help diversify  their  portfolio;  it  will                                                               
increase timber revenues  over current land holdings  and it will                                                               
protect  the  trust corpus  by  not  devaluing timber  assets  in                                                               
Southeast  by  letting the  timber  industry  fail, because  they                                                               
would end up having no one to purchase their timber.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MENEFEE  showed  them  a  picture  of  trust  land  holdings                                                               
currently  scattered throughout  Southeast  Alaska and  explained                                                               
that  the land  exchange will  take about  18,000 acres  of trust                                                               
lands which  are primarily adjacent  to communities  in Southeast                                                               
Alaska  in exchange  for 20,000  acres that  are more  removed on                                                               
Prince of  Wales Island and  Shelter Cove. He explained  that the                                                               
trust  does subdivisions  and  commercial  transaction leases  as                                                               
well as  timber harvest  on their  lands, but there  is a  lot of                                                               
resistance to  having these activities next  to communities. It's                                                               
basically  an equal  value land  exchange; the  idea is  to allow                                                               
timber   extraction  in   an  area   that  won't   conflict  with                                                               
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The exchange  has two phases:  because the timber industry  is at                                                               
real risk of  going under for the lack of  timber, some timber is                                                               
needed immediately  to keep  it going. So,  some parcels  will be                                                               
exchanged within  one year  and the  remaining will  be exchanged                                                               
within two years.  It just gives the Forest Service  more time to                                                               
get the appraisals done for the other parcels.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:56:45 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MENEFEE said  among the  benefits of  the exchange  are that                                                               
fact that  it consolidates  trust land  ownership, which  is good                                                               
for  management; it  replaces lands  adjacent to  the communities                                                               
with ones  that are  more conducive for  timber harvest;  it will                                                               
generate about $40-60 million over  the 20 years; it will protect                                                               
both timber and  tourism industries; it will save  real jobs; and                                                               
it protects the view sheds and certain old growth stands.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  clarified that  the timber  industry impacts  the economy  in                                                               
many ways:  stevedores, equipment rental,  maintenance, purchase,                                                               
transportation,   timber  fellers,   and  cruisers.   Any  timber                                                               
harvested on  trust lands to  be received via the  exchange would                                                               
be done  in an environmentally  responsible manner,  because they                                                               
are required to  follow the Alaska Forest Practices  Act that has                                                               
been demonstrated  to be effective  at protecting  salmon streams                                                               
and water quality.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Why do  it now? Mr.  Menefee answered  that this exchange  is the                                                               
result of  about 10 years of  planning and public input  from the                                                               
Tongass Futures Roundtable conservation  groups which consists of                                                               
35  different parties,  the Forest  Service and  communities. The                                                               
Southeast  Alaska  Conservation  Council (SEACC)  expressed  some                                                               
concern that  one of the parcels,  the No Name Bay  parcel, could                                                               
be exchanged because  it is involved in  litigation. However, the                                                               
Department  of Law  (DOL)  determined that  the  trust has  clear                                                               
title to  that parcel  and the  lawsuit in  no way  prohibits the                                                               
State   Legislature   from   enacting  the   exchange   in   this                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:00:06 PM                                                                                                                    
Further, he said  the timber industry with its lack  of timber to                                                               
market will  go under in two  years, and they are  trying to give                                                               
them  timber before  they  leave,  because once  it  is gone,  it                                                               
doesn't' just start  back up. People move and it's  just not easy                                                               
to say  come on up  and cut our timber.  So, Alaska would  lose a                                                               
market.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:01:54 PM                                                                                                                    
He  explained that  the Forest  Service has  the majority  of the                                                               
timber supply in Southeast and  they have withdrawn and locked up                                                               
much of the land. That means  there is a dependency on the Mental                                                               
Health  Trust Land  Office, the  University, the  State Forestry,                                                               
and the Forest Service to all  work together on the transition to                                                               
a  sustainable  young growth  harvest,  but  timber needs  to  be                                                               
provided in the transition period.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MENEFEE said  that Senator  Murkowski  and Senator  Sullivan                                                               
introduced SB 131  and Representative Young introduced  HR 513 in                                                               
Washington, D.C., that basically direct  the Forest Service to do                                                               
the exchange. They expect things  to start moving very soon (this                                                               
spring) on the  federal side. If it's approved,  they would start                                                               
right  away  on  working  with  the Forest  Service  to  get  the                                                               
appraisals  and surveys  done within  a one-year  timeframe. This                                                               
issue  has a  lot of  support  although most  of it  is for  2016                                                               
federal legislation that is the  same piece of legislation. It is                                                               
a positive revenue generating exchange  and the trust needs those                                                               
revenues  to provide  for its  beneficiaries. He  added that  the                                                               
trust supports those programs without going to the general fund.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL said a number of people were on line to testify.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STEDMAN said  he would  rather have  another meeting  so                                                               
people could have  ample time to say their piece  than try to run                                                               
them short because the committee is out of time.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL said she would hold SB  88 and bring it back at the                                                               
earliest opportunity.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:05:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  adjourned the  Senate Resources  Committee meeting                                                               
at 5:05 p.m.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Agenda-3-22-17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
1. Board of Game Fact Sheet.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
2. Board of Game - Resume - Tom Lamall.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
3. Board of Game - Resume - Karen Linnell.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
4. Board of Game - Assorted Support for Tom Lamall - 3 - 20 - 17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
5. Board of Game - Continued Assorted Support for Tom Lamall - 3 - 22 - 17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
6. Board of Game - Support for Tom Lamall - Resident Hunters of Alaska - 3 - 21 - 17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
7. Board of Game - Support for Karen Linnell - Maniilaq Assoc - 3 - 22 - 17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
8. Board of Game - Part III Assorted Support for Tom Lamall.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
1. SB 88 - Version J.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
2. SB 88 - Sponsor Statement - Version J.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
3. SB 88 - Sectional Analysis - Version J.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
4. SB 88 - Fact Sheet - Mental Health Trust Land Office.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
5. SB 88 - Maps - Trust Land Exch Act of 2017.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
6. SB 88 - Assorted Support.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
7. SB 88 - Support - Resource Development Council.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
8. SB 88 - Fiscal Note - DNR Mental Health Trust Lands - 3 - 17 - 17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
9. SB 88 - Presentation - Alaska Mental Health Trust - 3 - 22 - 17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
11. SB 88 - Opposition - Rebecca Knight.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
9. Board of Game - Support for Tom Lamall - Dick & Mary Bishop.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
10. Board of Game - Support for Karen Linnell - Doyon Ltd - 3 - 23 - 17.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
11. Board of Game - Support for Tom Lamall - Low.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
12. SB 88 - Comments - SEACC.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88
12. Board of Game - Opposition to Karen Linnell - Richard Bishop.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
13. SB 88 - Support - Alaska Forest Association.pdf SRES 3/22/2017 3:30:00 PM
SB 88