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03/06/2017 03:30 PM RESOURCES

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03:30:33 PM Start
03:31:01 PM Confirmation Hearings: Board of Game
04:13:00 PM Big Game Commercial Services Board
04:43:09 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Board of Game:
- Ted Spraker
- Lawrence Van Daele
Big Game Commercial Services Board:
- Adam Trombley
-- Public Testimony on Appointees --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
        CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                       
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 6, 2017                                                                                          
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator John Coghill, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Kevin Meyer                                                                                                             
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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CONFIRMATION HEARINGS                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BOARD OF GAME                                                                                                                 
  Ted Spraker                                                                                                                   
  Lawrence van Daele                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BIG GAME COMMERCIAL SERVICES BOARD                                                                                            
  Adam Trombley                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION ADVANCED                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TED SPRAKER                                                                                                                     
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Appointee to the Board of Game.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LAWRENCE VAN DAELE                                                                                                              
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Appointee to the Board of Game.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADAM TROMBLEY,                                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Appointee  to  the  Big  Game  Commercial                                                             
Services Board.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
BOB MUMFORD, representing himself                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Mr.  Spraker's and Mr. van Daele's                                                             
appointments  to the  Board of  Game, as  well as  Mr. Trombley's                                                               
appointment to the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Resident Hunters of Alaska (RHAK)                                                                                               
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Supported Mr.  van Daele's  appointment to                                                             
the Board of Game.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL CRAWFORD, Chairman                                                                                                      
Kenai-Soldotna Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                                                                 
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Mr. Spraker's  appointment to the                                                             
Board of Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SAM ROHRER, President                                                                                                           
Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                                                                         
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Strongly supported  Mr. Spraker's  and Mr.                                                             
Van Daele's appointments to the Board of Game.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DICK ROHRER, representing himself                                                                                               
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Mr.  van Daele's and Mr. Spraker's                                                             
appointments to the Board of Game.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JASON BUNCH, representing himself                                                                                               
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Mr.  van Daele's and Mr. Spraker's                                                             
appointments to the Board of Game.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PAUL CHERVENAK, Chairman                                                                                                        
Kodiak Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                                                                         
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Supported  both Mr.  van  Daele's and  Mr.                                                             
Spraker's appointments to the Board of Game.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG MALONE, representing himself                                                                                               
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Heavily  supported   Mr.  van   Daele's                                                             
appointment to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL L. UMPHENOUR, representing himself                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported  both Mr.  Spraker's and  Mr. van                                                             
Daele's appointments to the Board of Game.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN SIMPSON, representing himself                                                                                             
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   He  supported Mr.  Spraker's  and Mr.  van                                                             
Daele's  appointments  to  the  Board  of  Game.  Wanted  a  more                                                               
experienced person than  Mr. Trombley on the  Big Game Commercial                                                               
Services Board.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CATHY   GIESSEL  called  the  Senate   Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 3:30  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Stedman, Coghill, Von  Imhof, Hughes, Meyer,                                                               
Wielechowski, and Chair Giessel.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARINGS: BOARD OF GAME                                                                                           
              CONFIRMATION HEARINGS: BOARD OF GAME                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
3:31:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL   announced  the   hearing  for  the   Board  of                                                               
Game appointees  and an  appointment to  the Big  Game Commercial                                                               
Services Board.  She noted a  fact sheet  from the Board  of Game                                                               
that  says  the   purpose  of  the  board   is  conservation  and                                                               
development of the game resources  of the state. This board takes                                                               
action  in establishing  open and  closed seasons,  setting areas                                                               
for  the  taking of  game,  setting  bag limits,  and  regulating                                                               
methods  and means  of taking  game. The  board has  an important                                                               
role in  setting policy and  is a regulatory body.  Members serve                                                               
staggered three-year  terms and  the board generally  meets three                                                               
times a  year. Occasionally they  meet jointly with the  Board of                                                               
Fisheries.  Compensation for  members  of the  board is  standard                                                               
travel plus per diem in a range of 20 A for regulatory meetings.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:32:41 PM                                                                                                                    
TED SPRAKER,  appointee to the  Board of Game,  Soldotna, Alaska,                                                               
said he  has lived with his  wife in Soldotna for  many years and                                                               
has  three  grown  children.  He  retired after  28  years  as  a                                                               
wildlife biologist  with the Alaska  Department of Fish  and Game                                                               
(ADF&G). His wife works for U.S. Senator Dan Sullivan.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SPRAKER said  he  was  raised in  Wyoming  and attended  the                                                               
University  in  Laramie.  He  received  a  Bachelor's  degree  in                                                               
wildlife  management  in 1970  and  a  Master's degree  in  range                                                               
management in 1973.  His dream career was to move  to Alaska as a                                                               
wildlife  biologist and  he was  eventually  offered a  permanent                                                               
position  with Alaska  Department  of Fish  and  Game (ADF&G)  in                                                               
1974, providing  an opportunity  to be  involved in  a developing                                                               
and  growing  fish  and  game department.  In  that  capacity  he                                                               
learned to work  with the public, which is important  now that he                                                               
is on the board.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This will  be his  sixth and  final term  on the  board if  he is                                                               
confirmed, Mr.  Spraker said.  He is  currently the  chairman. He                                                               
has been  in the fish  and wildlife management business  for over                                                               
40 years  and has thoroughly enjoyed  being part of the  Board of                                                               
Game process  and hopes to  serve one more  term to give  what he                                                               
can back to the state that has given him and his family so much.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:37:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL said he appreciated  Mr. Spraker's willingness to                                                               
serve  on the  board.  However, he  had heard  that  he pushed  a                                                               
personal  agenda more  than other  chairs and  asked if  he could                                                               
easily defend that.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRAKER  replied that he  has always  tried to listen  to the                                                               
public  and  has a  strong  respect  for the  advisory  committee                                                               
process, but he  also has strong opinions  about conservation and                                                               
active management  based on good  science and solid  evidence. He                                                               
wasn't  sure  that  that  qualifies as  a  personal  opinion.  He                                                               
believes in getting  things done in a timely manner  and based on                                                               
good science.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL said the two issues  that he hears most about are                                                               
intensive management and management of  Dall sheep and that a lot                                                               
of people are saying that  conversation is largely ignored by the                                                               
board. He wanted to know if that is  the case and if it is, is it                                                               
a  science problem  or who  speaks the  loudest problem.  Senator                                                               
Coghill asked what his perspective is on these two issues.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:39:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. SPRAKER  answered he  has always been  a strong  supporter of                                                               
active  management based  on good  science, and  the board  has a                                                               
good  record of  supporting good  science  brought to  it by  the                                                               
department  to  improve caribou  and  moose  populations, and  to                                                               
provide for  more animals  to take for  subsistence. He  has been                                                               
criticized  by people  who don't  support active  management. The                                                               
Denali buffer was  a recent issue that has quite  a divergence of                                                               
opinion and  the board did  a good job  of dealing with  that and                                                               
justifying its decisions.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRAKER  said there is  no questions  that he played  a major                                                               
part in some of the sheep  management decisions. One issue was to                                                               
close the 207 area due to  a lot of complaints about people using                                                               
aircraft in an  unethical manner. He found that  about 86 percent                                                               
of resident sheep  hunters do not use aircraft to  spot sheep and                                                               
about 14 percent do. There were  a lot of complaints about guides                                                               
and non-resident clients and so  forth taking such a large number                                                               
of sheep;  probably 60-70 percent  of those use aircraft  to spot                                                               
sheep. He thought  it was a good decision, because  it levels the                                                               
playing field among sheep hunters  and addresses the complaint of                                                               
competition. He  has always said  he truly believes that  a sheep                                                               
can get away from  a hunter on the ground, but  it can't get away                                                               
from a  super cub. This  proposal promotes good ethics  and works                                                               
well since it has been  implemented according to public comments.                                                               
The sheep hunt is  now a quality hunt rather than  a foot race to                                                               
get to the sheep.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL said  that  was a  reasonable  solution. He  has                                                               
heard about the tension between  guides - especially out of state                                                               
hunters -  and in-state hunters,  especially from a new  group in                                                               
the  state.  Their concern  is  that  the  board seems  to  favor                                                               
outside guides. He  asked Mr. Spraker to explain  what that looks                                                               
like from the board's perspective.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRAKER said he has heard  those criticisms, as well, and in-                                                               
state hunters  have a  priority for some  species in  Alaska, but                                                               
not for  sheep. He  thinks the  board does a  good job  in making                                                               
sure residents  have a first  shot at  game in general  and there                                                               
are literally hundreds of examples  where residents get a benefit                                                               
over  non-residents. The  board in  2007 developed  a policy  for                                                               
dealing  with allocation  and  permits  for non-residents,  which                                                               
really  benefits residents.  A couple  of sheep  hunts they  have                                                               
authorized provide 10 percent of the animals to non-residents.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
He said this new group was  organized to try to get more benefits                                                               
for  residents,  but  the  board  already  does  a  good  job  of                                                               
providing a substantial amount of opportunity for residents.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:45:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL said  a drawing is actually a way  of weeding out                                                               
applicants  whereas permitting  out-of-state applicants  seems to                                                               
favor a quota. He asked if  there is a difference in quantity for                                                               
out-of-state permits or  what residents get by  either drawing or                                                               
other permitting.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRAKER explained  that he would like to go  through the book                                                               
with him, but in most cases  residents have the benefit. When the                                                               
board issues permits to non-residents  it looks at the historical                                                               
use  by  non-residents  and  allocates   permits  based  on  that                                                               
equation.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Most  of the  areas have  a limited  number of  animals for  non-                                                               
residents and  a more generous  number of permits  for residents.                                                               
Many  times  non-residents  are   on  a  drawing  permit  whereas                                                               
residents  are on  a  registration hunt,  and  there are  several                                                               
cases  across the  state  where resident  hunts  start five  days                                                               
earlier  than  for  non-residents,  especially  for  moose.  Non-                                                               
residents are  restricted to 50-inch and  four brow-tines. Spiked                                                               
or  forked moose  are not  allowed to  be taken  anywhere in  the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  thanked him  and said  he would  be in  touch as                                                               
things percolate up to his office.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:48:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  also thanked him  for his service and  added that                                                               
some things have percolated up to  her office, as well. She often                                                               
hears  it seems  like the  pie is  shrinking on  places for  good                                                               
Alaskans to  go to  hunt. Access to  land is  tougher, especially                                                               
for people who  have been in the state for  years and think about                                                               
how it was when they were kids.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
One of her  concerns is the Nelchina  Basin community subsistence                                                               
harvests  and Senator  Hughes asked  Mr. Spraker  to explain  why                                                               
that is needed.  She hears that even the people  for which it was                                                               
created want  to do  away with it  as well as  some folks  in her                                                               
area.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRAKER  said he remembers  when the regulation book  was the                                                               
same  size as  a tide  book and  agrees that  things have  really                                                               
changed.  The demand  for harvest  has increased  along with  the                                                               
competition.  He appreciates  that people  can't hunt  where they                                                               
used  to. To  the second  part of  her question,  the board  will                                                               
convene a meeting on March 18  in Glennallen on Unit 13 community                                                               
subsistence  harvest  issues.  He   has  reviewed  the  proposals                                                               
several times and  a couple of them  will lead to quite  a bit of                                                               
change  in  that   unit.  He  is  concerned   about  providing  a                                                               
reasonable  number  of animals  for  subsistence.  The number  of                                                               
animals  in Unit  13  are there  because  the department  started                                                               
active management back in 2004,  and it has been very successful.                                                               
All the  subsistence issues  have changed  since then  and things                                                               
are much more positive now. The  board uses a term "tier 1-plus,"                                                               
which  means  there are  sufficient  numbers  of animals  in  the                                                               
population to allow  for a greater harvest and  still sustain the                                                               
population. He couldn't  predict where the board will  go, but in                                                               
reading  the  public and  department  comments,  it seems  pretty                                                               
clear  that the  majority of  the  people -  certainly the  MatSu                                                               
Advisory Committee  - would  like to do  away with  the community                                                               
subsistence harvests and replace it with something new.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  thanked him  for that and  noted that  Article 8,                                                               
Section 3, of  the Constitution, says folks have a  right to that                                                               
game and her understanding is that  about 70 percent of the folks                                                               
that  hunt up  there are  actually from  Big Lake  to Palmer,  to                                                               
Chugiak,  to Anchorage,  and they  rely on  that game.  Filling a                                                               
freezer is really becoming more  important now than ever with the                                                               
budget difficulties the state is facing.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:53:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  asked him to  talk about how the  Ahtna agreement                                                               
with the Department of Interior  impacts the board's authority to                                                               
manage and allocate game.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. SPRAKER replied  he isn't familiar with all  the details, but                                                               
he has  looked it  over and  if it  goes too  far in  letting the                                                               
Ahtna Corporation set  their own seasons and bag  limits on their                                                               
lands - and they  own over 1 million acres -  it could have quite                                                               
a profound  impact on the board,  the ADF&G, and that  70 percent                                                               
of  the public  from  the  MatSu Valley  that  hunt there.  Those                                                               
decisions  haven't been  finalized yet,  and he  is paying  close                                                               
attention.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:55:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  thanked Mr.  Spraker for being  on line  with them                                                               
and  invited  Mr.   van  Daele,  a  new   appointee,  before  the                                                               
committee.  He  is replacing  a  partial  term  of a  member  who                                                               
resigned and that term would expire at the end of 2018.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LAWRENCE VAN  DAELE, appointee  to the  Board of  Game, Soldotna,                                                               
Alaska, said  he was born  into an  Air Force family  in Okinawa.                                                               
His dad was  a fighter pilot and they moved  every three years or                                                               
so.  Three  things were very consistent in his  life: his family,                                                               
his church, and the fact that  they would go hunting, fishing and                                                               
camping  wherever   they  were  assigned.  His   dad  had  remote                                                               
assignments in Galena and King  Salmon and would always come home                                                               
with stories about  Alaska and bays full of King  salmon or crab.                                                               
When it came time  for him to leave the nest,  Mr. Van Daele said                                                               
he headed  toward Alaska.  He got a  Bachelor degree,  a Master's                                                               
degree, and  a wife  in Idaho,  and they came  to Alaska  in 1981                                                               
where he worked on version 1  of the Susitna Hydroproject. In the                                                               
next 34  years of working  as a  wildlife biologist for  ADF&G he                                                               
was  stationed in  Kodiak, Dillingham,  and  Anchorage, and  they                                                               
have selected Kodiak as their home town.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
During his  time with ADF&G  Mr. Van Daele  said he had  the good                                                               
fortune of living in both  rural and urban locations working with                                                               
elders,  both  Native  and  non-Native, and  a  wide  variety  of                                                               
people.  He  managed  the  Round  Island  Walrus  Sanctuary,  the                                                               
Mulchatna caribou  herd, Kodiak brown  bears, deer, goats,  and a                                                               
whole variety of  different animals. He worked  with the Northern                                                               
Forum Brown  Bear Workgroup, which  took him to  Siberia, Sweden,                                                               
and  Japan where  he  represented the  state  and its  management                                                               
system  and often  bring them  over here  to exchange  management                                                               
system practices. He  also wrote a book on the  history of Kodiak                                                               
bears on the  Kodiak Archipelago and earned a PhD  on 25 years of                                                               
bear research that  he did with his colleagues  on the management                                                               
of Kodiak bears. The last three  years of his career he worked as                                                               
a regional  supervisor for the  South Central part of  the state,                                                               
based in Kodiak  but commuting to Anchorage every  other week. He                                                               
retired in 2015.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:58:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. VAN  DAELE said his  wife, Hilary, shifted her  profession in                                                               
1985  from a  biologist  to a  full time  mom.  Their son,  Matt,                                                               
graduated from Kodiak High School  and got a Master's degree from                                                               
the University of  Idaho in Zoology and returned  to Kodiak where                                                               
he works  as a  lands manager  for a  Native Corporation.  He has                                                               
been elected  as an  assemblyman with  the Kodiak  Island Borough                                                               
and is becoming a politician.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Since his retirement, Mr. Van Daele  said he has worked part time                                                               
for Kodiak Native  Corporation to help them in  developing a bear                                                               
viewing  program; he  has also  volunteered  for Kodiak  Electric                                                               
Association in helping them analyze  the impacts of expanding the                                                               
capacity of their  hydro project on bears and  other wildlife. He                                                               
is  the  vice  chairman  of  the  Kodiak  State  Parks  Citizens'                                                               
Advisory Board and helped a  friend write a book on photographing                                                               
bears, which  has just been published  and is on the  Rebuild the                                                               
Bear  Committee,   a  citizens  group   that  is  putting   up  a                                                               
commemorative  bronze bear  statute  and  several other  projects                                                               
around home since he retired.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Because  of his  positions with  ADF&G, he  has opted  to refrain                                                               
from  having  memberships  or   positions  in  any  organizations                                                               
directly  impacted by  his  decisions in  working  for ADF&G.  He                                                               
dropped his  memberships in the  NRA, Ducks Unlimited,  and Rocky                                                               
Mountain Elk, not because he was  opposed to what they were doing                                                               
but because  he felt  that could possibly  sway his  decisions in                                                               
some  peoples' minds.  However, he  is  an active  member in  the                                                               
Wildlife Society and the International  Bear Association where he                                                               
was selected as  a co-chair on the North Asian  Brown Bear Expert                                                               
Team, and many other organizations listed in his resume.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN DAELE said  when he was asked to put his  name in for the                                                               
Board of  Game, he had  to think  about it seriously,  because he                                                               
knows how contentious  the position is. But it  is an "incredible                                                               
honor and an awesome responsibility,"  because everything they do                                                               
is going to  impact people's lives. The more he  thought about it                                                               
the  more  he realized  that  Alaska  has  provided him  with  an                                                               
education,  opportunity, and  a  very secure  retirement, and  he                                                               
would like  to offer his talents  and services to the  board as a                                                               
way of  giving back to the  people of Alaska and  the wildlife of                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
As a board  member, his primary goals will be:  1. food security,                                                               
2. economic opportunity (including  guiding, tourism, and filling                                                               
the  freezer),   3.  a  return   of  state  management,   and  4.                                                               
revitalizing  the  trust by  all  groups  in  the Board  of  Game                                                               
process.  He has  seen  wide polarization  in  recent years,  and                                                               
wishes to reinstate trust and respect for these institutions.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:03:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL  thanked  him  and said  his  work  with  Alaska                                                               
National   Interest  Land   Claims   Act   (ANILCA)  and   Native                                                               
Corporations will be  very valuable. As a  biologist, though, one                                                               
of the questions that has arisen  in his area is about antlerless                                                               
moose  hunts. He  grew up  in Nenana,  so antlerless  moose hunts                                                               
were  the  thing  you  just  didn't do.  So,  he  has  a  natural                                                               
prejudice.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN  DAELE responded  that  antlerless  moose hunts  are  an                                                               
important  management   tool.  When  he  managed   the  moose  in                                                               
Dillingham  they  didn't  have  antlerless  hunts,  but  that  is                                                               
because they were trying to  build up the populations. In certain                                                               
times, there  are more  moose than  a range  can handle.  In that                                                               
situation,  you have  to look  at alternative  ways to  allow the                                                               
herd to  stay at  a stable high  population that  is sustainable,                                                               
but also allow people to get  meat in their freezer. The best way                                                               
to do that is to take some of the cows.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He  knows there  is a  strong bias  against taking  cows, because                                                               
they are the  producers, but it's an easy sell  because there are                                                               
times when using this tool  keeps the population healthy and puts                                                               
meat in the freezers. It works  the same for brown bears. When he                                                               
modeled the  Kodiak brown bear  for his  PhD thesis he  found out                                                               
that in order to have enough big  trophy bears you have to take a                                                               
certain portion  of the females.  Taking some females  produces a                                                               
healthier population. His opinion was  that having the checks and                                                               
balances of having an annual  reauthorization of antlerless hunts                                                               
and forcing the  department to prove that these are  viable and a                                                               
necessary tool is a good way to continue.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL said he would be  open to that discussion, but in                                                               
his  neck of  the woods  partly  the discussion  is because  some                                                               
areas  have  easy   access  and  others  not   so  easy.  However                                                               
antlerless  moose are  authorized within  a complete  unit, which                                                               
distorts the  science. He asked if  he had been involved  in that                                                               
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN  DAELE  said  he  is very  aware  of  those  concerns  -                                                               
especially from the  Laundry House Gang - during  a board meeting                                                               
in Fairbanks a  couple of weeks ago, but at  this point he didn't                                                               
have any answers.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COGHILL said  the Interior  has places  with huge  black                                                               
bear populations  that don't  have a  natural predation.  And yet                                                               
some  areas don't  have as  many, and  asked if  he had  done any                                                               
study on the movement and over-population of those black bear.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN DAELE answered no, but  he is familiar with what has been                                                               
done.  Last week  the board  specially asked  the department  how                                                               
they will spend  some of the new found money.  Will some be spent                                                               
on  bears  and  the  impacts of  bear  predations  on  ungulates,                                                               
specifically  moose  and  caribou?  Another thing  they  need  to                                                               
recognize  with black  bear in  particular and  brown bears  to a                                                               
lesser  degree,  this is  an  important  food item.  These  bears                                                               
should be considered as much for  food security as they should as                                                               
predators. He  thought more could  be done to encourage  folks to                                                               
take bear for  food maybe through recipes or  working with co-ops                                                               
and meat  processing plants. His dream  is that at some  point in                                                               
time they  won't be  talking about bears  as predators  but about                                                               
how to  slow down  the bear  harvest because  people like  to eat                                                               
them so much.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  said he  appreciated him  being willing  to look                                                               
into it.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:10:05 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES said  she  noticed on  his  resume under  special                                                               
skills and  qualifications that he has  extensive experience with                                                               
aerial surveying and taking censuses and  asked if he has had any                                                               
experience in using  drones for counts. Is it a  better tool than                                                               
manned aircraft?                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN DAELE replied that he  has no experience with drones, but                                                               
flying them  when people are  flying super cubs is  dangerous. He                                                               
is "old school"  in that he thinks a lot  more information can be                                                               
gained from looking around than by remote sensing.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES  said  she  will  keep  an  open  mind,  but  her                                                               
understanding is  that those who  have done both have  found that                                                               
using  drones  actually  is beneficial  because  you  get  better                                                               
imagery  and more  accurate counts;  they are  so quiet  that the                                                               
animals don't scatter.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  said she  was curious, because  his notes  say he                                                               
has had frequent appearances on TV and film.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. VAN  DAELE replied that  his most infamous appearance  was on                                                               
the Grizzly Man, because he  led the investigation on the Timothy                                                               
Treadwell incident.  He has done  hunting videos with  Jack Frost                                                               
and others.  He can't remember  every time he  has been on  TV or                                                               
radio  or  given presentations,  but  it's  quite common  in  his                                                               
career. He  was bear safety  coordinator during the  Exxon Valdez                                                               
oil  spill and  was in  two videos  they did  on bear  safety and                                                               
electric fences.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL  thanked him  for his service  and for  being there                                                               
today.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^BIG GAME COMMERCIAL SERVICES BOARD                                                                                             
               BIG GAME COMMERCIAL SERVICES BOARD                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
4:13:00 PM                                                                                                                  
CHAIR  GIESSEL   announced  the  appointment  to   the  Big  Game                                                               
Commercial Services Board (BGCSB). She  said the purpose of BGCSB                                                               
is  the  license  and  regulating   activities  of  providers  of                                                               
commercial services  to big game  hunters in the interest  of the                                                               
state's wildlife  resources. The board regulates  hunting guides,                                                               
assistants, and  transporters. Members serve four-year  terms and                                                               
have  a diverse  membership  including outfitters,  transporters,                                                               
etc., as well as two public  members. She invited Mr. Trombley to                                                               
the table.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:13:33 PM                                                                                                                    
ADAM TROMBLEY,  appointee to the  BGCSB, Anchorage,  Alaska, said                                                               
the main  reason he  wants to be  on the board  is because  it is                                                               
imperative  that  Alaskans aren't  placed  at  a disadvantage  to                                                               
access.  He likes  hunting  and it's  important  that guides  and                                                               
outfitters who break rules should have strict penalties.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL thanked  him for being willing to  serve and said                                                               
many who were born  and raised here agree that there  has to be a                                                               
balance between serving residents and  those who want to come in.                                                               
He  asked if  he  had been  involved in  any  of the  controversy                                                               
between guides and transporters.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TROMBLEY   answered  that  he   didn't  have   any  specific                                                               
experience  in that  arena, but  he knows  it exists  and doubted                                                               
there was an easy answer.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  said many are  concerned that  transporters have                                                               
very little  accountability and  asked him to  watch for  ways to                                                               
solve this issue.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TROMBLEY responded  that  he  also serves  on  the Board  of                                                               
Governors for the Bar Association  and has noticed that attorneys                                                               
are hard  on each  other when  they break  the rules.  He guessed                                                               
this board would also be hard on those who break the rules.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR GIESSEL said  his application indicates that  this board is                                                               
his fourth  choice in  terms of  appointments behind  three other                                                               
boards that have  more of a judicial focus and  asked how the Big                                                               
Game Commercial  Services Board come  to his mind, because  it is                                                               
so different that the other choices.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TROMBLEY answered  that  goes  back to  being  a hunter  and                                                               
caring  about management  of and  access to  game. He  is not  an                                                               
attorney, but  enjoys the legal  aspect of things. He  also wants                                                               
game to be around in the future for his children.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:18:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL said  her next question has to do  with the way the                                                               
board administers its  process: its fiscal matters. As  he may be                                                               
aware,  boards   and  commissions   are  required  to   be  self-                                                               
supporting; that  is the license fees  need to cover the  cost of                                                               
the  board's administration  of the  regulatory process.  The Big                                                               
Game Commercial  Services Board is  rather renowned for  having a                                                               
large  outstanding   debt  and  she  asked   his  feelings  about                                                               
balancing its budget.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TROMBLEY  answered  that  having  served  on  the  Anchorage                                                               
Assembly  he certainly  understands managing  the budget.  At the                                                               
end of  the day, you  need to look outside  the box and  while he                                                               
didn't  know all  the reasons  for the  debt, his  guess is  that                                                               
travel is  a huge component.  Maybe they can conduct  business on                                                               
line rather than travel for all the meetings.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:20:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL opened public testimony.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:21:45 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB MUMFORD,  representing himself, Anchorage,  Alaska, supported                                                               
Mr. Spraker's  and Mr. van  Daele's appointments to the  Board of                                                               
Game. He  had worked with both  of them and he  couldn't pick two                                                               
better men  to be on this  board. Dr. van Daele  is "exceptional"                                                               
and probably has  a worldwide reputation for his  work with bears                                                               
and wildlife management.  If he did nothing he  would still bring                                                               
a lot of respect to it. He has  worked a lot with Ted Spraker who                                                               
is also  an exceptional board  member. What separates  these guys                                                               
from some  other people is that  they bring a "pure  heart" and a                                                               
statewide perspective  to wildlife management in  making sure the                                                               
ethics  are  there and  that  wildlife  management is  done  with                                                               
science. They  don't have an  agenda and  are well versed  in the                                                               
Alaska Constitution.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
He also  wished Mr. Trombley well  if he should get  appointed to                                                               
the  Big Game  Commercial  Services Board.  It  is a  challenging                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:24:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK), Fairbanks, Alaska, supported  Mr. van Daele's appointment                                                               
to the Board of Game.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:26:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MICHAEL   CRAWFORD,  Chairman,   Kenai-Soldotna  Fish   and  Game                                                               
Advisory  Committee,  Kenai,   Alaska,  supported  Mr.  Spraker's                                                               
appointment to the Board of Game.  He advised that AC is a unique                                                               
group  and  they  very  rarely  agree on  things,  but  they  are                                                               
unanimously  in   support  of  his  reappointment.   He  has  the                                                               
experience of a  field experienced biologist. As  chairman of the                                                               
board,  he is  a  fair  and patient  person  with different  user                                                               
groups. They are lucky to have  such a qualified person who wants                                                               
to stay on the board.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:27:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SAM ROHRER,  President, Alaska Professional  Hunters Association,                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska,  strongly supported Mr. Spraker's  and Mr. Van                                                               
Daele's  appointments  to the  Board  of  Game. Mr.  Spraker  has                                                               
always shown himself ready to  put Alaska's game resources first.                                                               
His more  than 28 years  of experience  as an ADF&G  biologist is                                                               
invaluable to his work on the  board. Not only does he understand                                                               
the data side  of wildlife management, he  understands the social                                                               
side,  as  well. He  asks  probing  questions and  makes  himself                                                               
available after hours to answer  more questions and to learn from                                                               
the users. That really adds  an important dimension when it comes                                                               
back to the BOG deliberating on issues.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
He said that  serving as chairman of the BOG  is a time consuming                                                               
and often thankless job, however  Mr. Spraker is dedicated to it.                                                               
It's hard  to think  of a  better choice  to fill  this important                                                               
role.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROHRER said he also  supported Mr. van Daele's appointment to                                                               
the  Board of  Game. He  is extremely  knowledgeable on  wildlife                                                               
issues throughout the state and  will be invaluable on the board.                                                               
Over his long history with the  state, he has worked with federal                                                               
advisory councils, state fish and  game advisory councils, Native                                                               
Corporations,  the Fish  and Wildlife  Service, and  various work                                                               
and study  groups. He's also  an internationally  recognized bear                                                               
expert.  More importantly,  throughout  his career  he has  shown                                                               
himself to  be a consensus  builder. Few individuals  possess the                                                               
ability  to work  through controversial  issues, bridge  divides,                                                               
and  come  to  fair  conclusions   like  Mr.  van  Daele.  He  is                                                               
approachable, knowledgeable, and fair.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:31:05 PM                                                                                                                    
DICK ROHRER, representing himself,  Kodiak, Alaska, supported Mr.                                                               
van Daele's and Mr. Spraker's  appointments to the Board of Game.                                                               
He has  been on  more boards  and in more  meetings with  Mr. van                                                               
Daele  in Kodiak  than  he can  count. He  doesn't  come with  an                                                               
agenda, but he doesn't give up  the farm to build consensus if he                                                               
feels strongly about an issue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROHRER said  he had interacted with Mr. Spraker  on the board                                                               
and though he  doesn't always vote the way he  would like him to,                                                               
there  is  never  a  question  about whether  he  will  hear  his                                                               
testimony and give fair consideration to it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He didn't know  anything about Mr. Trombley, but  wished him well                                                               
on the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:32:58 PM                                                                                                                    
JASON BUNCH, representing himself,  Kodiak, Alaska, supported Mr.                                                               
van Daele's and Mr. Spraker's  appointments to the Board of Game.                                                               
He  has worked  with  Mr.  van Daele  as  a  Coast Guardsman,  an                                                               
Advisory Council (AC) member, and as  a citizen of Kodiak. He can                                                               
attest to his knowledge and ability to bring people together.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  said  that  Mr.  Spraker  has  gained  the  respect  of  many                                                               
different user groups around the  state as an effective member of                                                               
the Board of  Game. He has proven himself to  be a valuable asset                                                               
and an  integral part  in solving many  of the  challenges around                                                               
the state. His experience and values are second to none.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:34:10 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL  CHERVENAK,   Chairman,  Kodiak   Fish  and   Game  Advisory                                                               
Committee,  Kodiak, Alaska,  supported both  Mr. van  Daele's and                                                               
Mr. Spraker's  appointments to  the Board of  Game. Both  men are                                                               
very  knowledgeable   about  the  BOG  process,   the  ADF&G  the                                                               
resources,  and   the  state's  issues.  When   they  don't  know                                                               
something they are willing to  learn about it. Additionally, both                                                               
men are very  articulate and interact well with  the public. They                                                               
are both experienced and work out compromises.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:35:36 PM                                                                                                                    
DOUG  MALONE,   representing  himself,  Homer,   Alaska,  heavily                                                               
support Mr. van Daele's appointment to  the Board of Game. He has                                                               
known  him for  over  a  dozen years  and  has  always been  very                                                               
impressed  by his  knowledge  of not  only  Kodiak wildlife,  but                                                               
issues outside of  his direct purview. He possesses  a very well-                                                               
rounded wildlife  education. He  recently had the  opportunity to                                                               
observe him  for eight full  days at the just  concluded Interior                                                               
Region BOG meeting, and what he  saw and heard was very positive.                                                               
He witnessed Mr. van Daele's  genuine interest and willingness to                                                               
hear and interact  with the public, his  diverse and far-reaching                                                               
knowledge  of  statewide  game  issues, and,  best  of  all,  the                                                               
leadership qualities he portrayed there.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:37:03 PM                                                                                                                    
VIRGIL  L. UMPHENOUR,  representing  himself, Fairbanks,  Alaska,                                                               
supported both Mr. Spraker's and  Mr. Van Daele's appointments to                                                               
the Board of Game. He personally  served three terms on the Board                                                               
of  Fisheries and  at times  referred to  his job  as a  referee,                                                               
because  there  many contentious  issues.  He  said the  resident                                                               
versus non-resident issue was started  by people in Fairbanks who                                                               
wanted to  restrict non-residents  from sheep hunting.  Their big                                                               
complaint  was  that  the  guided sheep  hunters  have  a  higher                                                               
success rate than the unguided  sheep hunters. Subsequently, they                                                               
introduced  numerous  proposals  to  the BOG,  which  caused  the                                                               
department,  the board,  and the  legislature to  come up  with a                                                               
couple  hundred thousand  dollars  for the  University of  Alaska                                                               
Fairbanks (UAF)  to do a study  on sheep hunting. Then  the board                                                               
scheduled a  special meeting for  sheep and  then since he  is on                                                               
the Fairbanks  Fish and  Game Advisory  Committee he  scheduled a                                                               
meeting. But everything backfired on  those people. The UAF study                                                               
and special meetings  indicated that a majority  of the residents                                                               
complained about being  harassed by airplanes.   That resulted in                                                               
Proposal  207,  which resulted  in  a  lot  of criticism  of  Mr.                                                               
Spraker, but  he conducted  himself with a  "very high  degree of                                                               
integrity" throughout the whole process.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:39:55 PM                                                                                                                    
BRIAN SIMPSON,  representing himself, Fairbanks, Alaska,  said he                                                               
is a  licensed guide  in the Northwest  Arctic. He  supported Mr.                                                               
Spraker's and Mr. van Daele's  appointments to the Board of Game.                                                               
He has  testified before  Mr. Spraker many  times over  the years                                                               
and  found him  absolutely fair,  ethical, and  knowledgeable. He                                                               
also supported Mr. van Daele due to his experience.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The one he  questioned a little bit was Mr.  Trombley for the Big                                                               
Game Commercial  Services Board, his  only concern being  that it                                                               
is  a very  complicated and  contentious board.  He would  prefer                                                               
someone who is well versed on the board's issues.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:41:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL thanked the appointees and read the following:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     In   accordance  with   AS  39.05.080,   the  Resources                                                                    
     Committee  reviewed the  following  and recommends  the                                                                    
     appointments  be  forwarded  to  a  joint  session  for                                                                    
     consideration:  Big  Game  Commercial  Services  Board:                                                                    
     Adam  Trombley; Board  of Game:  Ted Spraker,  Lawrence                                                                    
     Van Daele. This does not  reflect an intent to vote for                                                                    
     or against  the confirmation of the  individuals during                                                                    
     any further sessions.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:43:09 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR GIESSEL  adjourned the  Senate Resources  Committee meeting                                                               
at 4:43 p.m.                                                                                                                    

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Agenda 3-6-17.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
1. Board of Game Fact Sheet.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
2. Board of Game - Resume - Ted Spraker.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
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3. Board of Game - Resume - Larry Van Daele.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
4. Big Game Commercial Services Board Fact Sheet.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
Big Game Commercial Services Board
5. Big Game Comm Services Board - Resume - Adam Trombley.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
Big Game Commercial Services Board
6. Board of Game - Support for Spraker - SCI - 3 - 3 - 17.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
7. Board of Game - Support for Spraker - APHA - 3 - 3 - 17.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
8. Board of Game - Support for Van Daele - APHA - 3 - 3 - 17.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
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9. Board of Game - Support for Van Daele - RHAK - 3- 5 - 17.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
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10. Board of Game - Opposition to Spraker - Dave Lyon - 3 - 6 - 17.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
Board of Game
11. Board of Game - Opposition to Spraker - KBCS - 3 - 6 - 17.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
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12. Board of Game- Support for Van Daele+Spraker - Robert Mumford.pdf SRES 3/6/2017 3:30:00 PM
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