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04/13/2009 03:30 PM RESOURCES

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03:36:03 PM Start
03:38:28 PM Confirmation Hearing: Board of Game
03:52:17 PM HJR22
04:06:30 PM HJR28
04:28:26 PM Confirmation Hearings: Board of Fisheries
05:49:47 PM Adjourn
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Brent Johnson - Board of Fish
Cliff Judkins - Board of Game
Stanley "Stosh" Hoffman Jr.- Brd. of Game
Moved Out of Committee
Moved SCS CSHJR 28(RES) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 13, 2009                                                                                         
                           3:36 p.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
Senator Bill Wielechowski, Co-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
Representative Gruenberg                                                                                                        
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS: BOARD OF GAME                                                                                            
 Cliff Judkins                                                                                                                  
 Stanley Hoffman, Jr.                                                                                                           
     CONFIRMATIONS ADVANCED                                                                                                     
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 22                                                                                                   
Urging  the United  States Senate  to ratify  the United  Nations                                                               
Convention on the Law of the Sea (the Law of the Sea Treaty).                                                                   
     MOVED HJR 22 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                              
CS FOR HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 28(RES) AM                                                                                    
Urging the President  of the United States and  the United States                                                               
Congress not to adopt any  policy, rule, or administrative action                                                               
or  enact legislation  that  would  restrict energy  exploration,                                                               
development, and  production in  federal and state  waters around                                                               
Alaska, the  outer continental shelf  within 200 miles  of shore,                                                               
and  elsewhere  in  the continental  United  States;  urging  the                                                               
President of the United States  and the United States Congress to                                                               
encourage  and promote  continued  exploration, development,  and                                                               
production of domestic oil and gas resources.                                                                                   
     MOVED CSHJR 28(RES)AM OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS: BOARD OF FISHERIES                                                                                       
 Brent G. Johnson                                                                                                               
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
BILL: HJR 22                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: URGING US TO RATIFY LAW OF THE SEA TREATY                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) SEATON                                                                                            
03/02/09       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/02/09       (H)       STA                                                                                                    
03/19/09       (H)       STA RPT 6DP 1NR                                                                                        
03/19/09       (H)       DP: GATTO, SEATON, GRUENBERG, WILSON,                                                                  
                         PETERSEN, LYNN                                                                                         
03/19/09       (H)       NR: JOHNSON                                                                                            
03/19/09       (H)       STA AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/19/09       (H)       Moved Out of Committee                                                                                 
03/19/09       (H)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
04/08/09       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/08/09       (H)       VERSION: HJR 22                                                                                        
04/09/09       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/09/09       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
04/13/09       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
BILL: HJR 28                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: OPPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON OIL/GAS ACTIVITIES                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) JOHNSON                                                                                           
03/23/09       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/23/09       (H)       ENE, RES                                                                                               
03/27/09       (H)       ENE REFERRAL WAIVED                                                                                    
03/30/09       (H)       RES AT 1:00 PM BARNES 124                                                                              
03/30/09       (H)       Moved CSHJR 28(RES) Out of Committee                                                                   
03/30/09       (H)       MINUTE(RES)                                                                                            
04/01/09       (H)       RES RPT CS(RES) NT 5DP 1NR 1AM                                                                         
04/01/09       (H)       DP: OLSON, SEATON, WILSON, JOHNSON,                                                                    
04/01/09       (H)       NR: GUTTENBERG                                                                                         
04/01/09       (H)       AM: TUCK                                                                                               
04/07/09       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
04/07/09       (H)       VERSION: CSHJR 28(RES) AM                                                                              
04/08/09       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
04/08/09       (S)       RES                                                                                                    
04/13/09       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
CLIFF JUDKINS                                                                                                                   
Wasilla, AK                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT: Nominee to the Board of Game.                                                                             
MONTE ROBERTS                                                                                                                   
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Judkins for the Board of Game.                                                              
DAVID MARTIN                                                                                                                    
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Clam Gulch, AK                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Judkins for the Board of Game.                                                              
Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                                    
STANLEY (STOSH) HOFFMAN JR.                                                                                                     
Bethel, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Nominee for the Board of Game.                                                                            
REPRESENTATIVE PAUL SEATON                                                                                                      
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of HJR 22; provided explanation of                                                                
the resolution.                                                                                                                 
ADMIRAL GENE BROOKS, Commander                                                                                                  
17th Coast Guard District (Alaska)                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported HJR 22.                                                                                        
JIM FLOYD                                                                                                                       
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Tok, AK                                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed the Law of the Sea Treaty and HJR
JEANNE OSTNESS                                                                                                                  
Staff to Representative Johnson                                                                                                 
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided a brief explanation of the history                                                               
of Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) drilling for the sponsor of HJR
MARILYN CROCKETT                                                                                                                
Alaska Oil and Gas Association (AOGA)                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HJR 28.                                                                                         
JASON BRUNE, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Resource Development Council (RDC)                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported HJR 28.                                                                                         
JERRY MCCUNE                                                                                                                    
United Fishermen of Alaska                                                                                                      
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
ANDY SZCZESNY                                                                                                                   
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Upper Kenai River, AK                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                               
MIKE KRAMER, Chair                                                                                                              
Fisheries Subcommittee                                                                                                          
Fairbanks Fish and Game Advisory Committee                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                               
STEVE MCCLURE                                                                                                                   
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
DAVID GOGGIA                                                                                                                    
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
RUBEN HENKE                                                                                                                     
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Kenai River, AK                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                               
RICKY GEASE, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Kenai River Sport Fishing Association                                                                                           
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
MEL MORRIS, representing himself                                                                                                
Member, Board of Fisheries                                                                                                      
Kodiak, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
KENNY ROGERS                                                                                                                    
President, Kenai Peninsula Fishery Association (KPFA)                                                                           
Director, Cook Inlet Aquaculture Association                                                                                    
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
JOHN JENSON, Chair                                                                                                              
Alaska Board of Fisheries                                                                                                       
Petersburg, AK                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
JOHN BLAIR, Executive Director                                                                                                  
Southeast Alaska Guides Organization                                                                                            
Sitka, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
THERESA WEISER, President                                                                                                       
Sitka Charter Boat Operators Association                                                                                        
Sitka, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                               
PAT DONALDSON                                                                                                                   
Representing himself                                                                                                            
MatSu, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                               
RICHARD PERSON                                                                                                                  
Representing himself                                                                                                            
MatSu, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
CHRIS GARCIA                                                                                                                    
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
RICHARD ERKENEFF                                                                                                                
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Kenai Peninsula, AK                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
GARY CHAMBERLAIN                                                                                                                
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Sterling, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
JOE CONNORS                                                                                                                     
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Sterling, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
RON RAINEY                                                                                                                      
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Kenai River, AK                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                                
MONTE ROBERTS, President                                                                                                        
Kenai River Professional Guide Association                                                                                      
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                               
RICHARD THOMPSON                                                                                                                
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
DREW SPARLIN, President                                                                                                         
United Cook Inlet Drift Association                                                                                             
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
DYRE VANDEVERE                                                                                                                  
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
JUDY JOHNSON                                                                                                                    
Representing herself                                                                                                            
Clam Gulch, AK                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
CHRISTINE BRANDT                                                                                                                
Representing herself                                                                                                            
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson for the Board of Fish.                                                              
BILL SULLIVAN                                                                                                                   
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson to the Board of Fish.                                                               
CLIFF CHAMBERLIN                                                                                                                
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Sterling, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson to the Board of Fish.                                                                 
BOBBY THORSTENSON                                                                                                               
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Alaska State Capitol                                                                                                            
Juneau, AK                                                                                                                      
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported Mr. Johnson to the Board of Fish.                                                              
ROD BERG                                                                                                                        
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed Mr. Johnson to the Board of Fish.                                                                
MURRAY FENTON                                                                                                                   
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Soldotna, AK                                                                                                                    
POSITION STATEMENT: Opposed Mr. Johnson to the Board of Fish.                                                                 
PAUL SHADURA II                                                                                                                 
Representing himself                                                                                                            
Kenai, AK                                                                                                                       
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported Mr. Johnson to the Board of Fish.                                                               
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
3:36:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR BILL  WIELECHOWSKI called the Senate  Resources Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 3:36 p.m.  Present  at the call to                                                               
order  were  Senators  Wagoner,   Huggins,  Stevens,  French  and                                                               
              Confirmation Hearings: Board of Game                                                                          
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI took up the  confirmations for the Board of                                                               
Game as the first order of business.                                                                                            
^Confirmation Hearing: Board of Game                                                                                            
CLIFF JUDKINS,  Wasilla, nominee for  a third appointment  to the                                                               
Board of  Game, stated  he wants  to continue  with the  Board of                                                               
Fish to complete the tasks he has started.                                                                                      
3:38:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS asked what he has learned about the process.                                                                    
MR. JUDKINS replied that the  board process allows many people to                                                               
participate; it  has advisory  committees that  bring information                                                               
into  communities and  gets  input from  different  sides of  the                                                               
issues before a vote is taken.                                                                                                  
SENATOR HUGGINS said  that Mr. Judkins has  a wildlife management                                                               
degree and asked how that brings value to the process.                                                                          
MR. JUDKINS answered  that a degree in  wildlife management gives                                                               
him the  opportunity to put  a little  bit of science  behind the                                                               
Board's decisions.                                                                                                              
SENATOR  HUGGINS asked  if he  has an  idea of  what could  bring                                                               
people together rather than dividing  them over the issue of Area                                                               
13 and caribou permits.                                                                                                         
MR. JUDKINS  replied that  Area 13  is unique.  It's next  to the                                                               
road and a  lot of people want  to hunt there. The  Tier 2 system                                                               
has only  allowed those who have  hunted there for many  years to                                                               
get permits. Numerous  proposals have been made  to protect local                                                               
people's need  to harvest for food.  The rest of the  permits are                                                               
state-wide drawings.  A Tier 1  hunt means everyone in  the state                                                               
has equal  opportunity to be  drawn. Several plans have  been put                                                               
together, tried and  failed. The issue is in court  right now and                                                               
the outcome is uncertain.                                                                                                       
3:42:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH  thanked him for  putting his name  forward saying                                                               
his resume' is quite impressive.                                                                                                
3:43:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked Mr. Judkins  to talk about diversity on the                                                               
Board, because that has received some criticism.                                                                                
MR. JUDKINS replied that Board members  need to have an open mind                                                               
and can't have an agenda.                                                                                                       
3:44:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MONTE  ROBERTS,  Soldotna,  supported  Mr.  Judkins  as  a  Board                                                               
3:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
JEREMIAH DAVID MARTIN, Clam Gulch,  supported Mr. Judkins for the                                                               
Board saying  he had previously  worked with  him and that  he is                                                               
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI closed public testimony.                                                                                  
3:46:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH moved  to forward Cliff Judkins' name  to the full                                                               
body for  consideration. There were  no objections and it  was so                                                               
3:47:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI next asked Mr.  Hoffman to say why he would                                                               
like to serve on the Board of Game.                                                                                             
SENATOR FRENCH asked if he is related to Lyman Hoffman.                                                                         
STANLEY (STOSH)  HOFFMAN JR., Bethel, replied  yes; Lyman Hoffman                                                               
is his father's first cousin.                                                                                                   
MR. HOFFMAN  said he moved to  McGrath in 1974. He  has worked in                                                               
Bethel  for  five  years  and  since 2007  has  been  with  Yukon                                                               
Kuskokwim  Corporation; he  has been  a commercial  fisherman for                                                               
over 30  years and is a  registered assistant guide for  Unit 19.                                                               
He has three sons and resides in Bethel currently.                                                                              
SENATOR HUGGINS asked where his nickname came from.                                                                             
MR. HOFFMAN  replied that a number  of his family that  has roots                                                               
in Germany  have the same name  of Stanley; and so  he was called                                                               
Stosh, which is German for Stanley.                                                                                             
SENATOR HUGGINS asked what caliber rifle he shoots.                                                                             
MR. HOFFMAN says he prefers the .270 for most species.                                                                          
SENATOR STEVENS said  he has heard some criticism  that the Board                                                               
is not diversified and asked him to comment on that.                                                                            
MR. HOFFMAN  said it seems  to him to  be diverse even  though it                                                               
doesn't  encompass the  whole state  in one  year, but  "it seems                                                               
like a good mix." Everyone has their own opinions.                                                                              
3:51:22 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI found no public testimony.                                                                                
SENATOR FRENCH  moved to forward  Mr. Hoffman's name to  the full                                                               
body. There were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                           
        HJR 22-URGING US TO RATIFY LAW OF THE SEA TREATY                                                                    
3:52:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   announced  HJR   22   to   be  up   for                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE  PAUL SEATON,  sponsor of  HJR 22,  explained that                                                               
this joint resolution  asks the U.S. Senate to ratify  the Law of                                                               
the  Sea  Treaty.  Both  of  Alaska's  U.S.  They  have  received                                                               
extensive  testimony  from  the  military.  In  the  Joint  Armed                                                               
Services  Committee on  March  2 the  Alaska  Command testify  in                                                               
favor of it and  extending jurisdiction. Previously, the Magnuson                                                               
Stevens Act  was used. The  treaty has  155 signatory and  it has                                                               
taken its place.  If the U.S. is  not a signatory, it  is only at                                                               
the  other  nations' pleasure  that  our  200  mile and  12  mile                                                               
extended territorial jurisdiction is  recognized. He provided the                                                               
committee  some  polar  view  maps that  show  the  extension  of                                                               
boundary  and sovereignty  that  is available  to  the U.S.  with                                                               
ratification of  the Law of  the Sea  Treaty is passed.  The U.S.                                                               
could probably extend  jurisdiction 350 miles into  the Arctic by                                                               
becoming a  signatory and  that area has  a tremendous  amount of                                                               
resource.  The U.S.  is  currently the  only  Arctic nation  that                                                               
isn't  a signatory.  If we  are not  a signatory,  others nations                                                               
could claim that area instead of us.                                                                                            
3:54:59 PM                                                                                                                    
ADMIRAL  GENE  BROOKS,  Commander,  17th  Coast  Guard  District-                                                               
Alaska,  supported  HJR  22.  He  said  the  important  thing  to                                                               
remember is  that the  U.S. has  always been  one of  the leading                                                               
nations  in  the  world  attempting   to  codify  the  rules  for                                                               
operations on the  oceans. That initiative culminated  in 1958 by                                                               
the first Law  of the Sea Conference. The U.S.  agreed and signed                                                               
that one,  but since  then new problems  have developed.  At that                                                               
time fish stocks  were thought to be inexhaustible,  and the 1958                                                               
Convention had  no dispute resolution mechanism.  The 1958 didn't                                                               
guarantee   submarine  or   air   craft   rights  over   expanded                                                               
territorial seas,  and many nations  were starting to  claim very                                                               
broad  boundaries   that  were  threatening  to   choke  off  the                                                               
straights of  the world, but  were also creating some  havens for                                                               
bad people to hide.                                                                                                             
He said the U.S. actually led  the initiative creating the Law of                                                               
the Sea  Convention in 1994,  but deep  sea bed mining  issues at                                                               
the time stopped it from  ratification. Admiral Brooks stated the                                                               
U.S.  Senate has  not ratified  this convention  that it  led the                                                               
creation of. The  truth is that today America  enjoys many rights                                                               
and privileges because  the other signatories allow us  to have a                                                               
12-mile territorial sea, a 200-mile  exclusive economic zone, but                                                               
we cannot claim the outer  continental shelf territory because we                                                               
are not party to the conference.                                                                                                
ADMIRAL  BROOKS stated  that another  issue to  consider is  that                                                               
frequently when  he talks to  people about these issues  in other                                                               
countries,  Canadians,  in  particular, say  they  need  American                                                               
leadership. The  Laws of the Sea  are always changing -  and it's                                                               
changing from  one we  helped create  in the  early 90s,  but not                                                               
necessarily in the direction that  we have any influence in right                                                               
now.  To  protect  the military  transit  rights,  the  exclusive                                                               
economic   zone  that   Alaska  enjoys,   and  the   transit  for                                                               
enforcement in fishing on the open  seas, it is important for the                                                               
U.S. to become a signatory and fully participate.                                                                               
3:58:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEVENS asked,  in the mode of "be careful  what you wish                                                               
for," how we  would police and control this area  - the shipping,                                                               
the  whale  migration,  mining and  fisheries  -  without  ships,                                                               
planes and harbors up there.                                                                                                    
3:58:46 PM                                                                                                                    
ADMIRAL BROOKS replied  he doesn't currently have  the ability to                                                               
patrol  it or  keep it  secure. He,  along with  others including                                                               
several legislators,  are trying  to raise people's  awareness of                                                               
America's  responsibility as  a  Nordic nation  and  the need  to                                                               
police and make  this portion of the planet  safe. Admiral Brooks                                                               
stated that the cruise ships  are coming, the fishing vessels may                                                               
be coming, and there are many  reasons for the Coast Guard to get                                                               
prepared to support Alaskans in this part of the world.                                                                         
SENATOR  STEVENS stated  it  is a  big problem  and  the lack  of                                                               
harbors is a major issue.                                                                                                       
ADMIRAL BROOKS agreed the lack  of harbors is a significant issue                                                               
for all Alaska and the U.S.                                                                                                     
4:00:40 PM                                                                                                                    
JAMES FLOYD, representing  himself, Tok, said he  opposed SJR 13,                                                               
which is identical  to HJR 22. He explained that  there are still                                                               
a lot of  criticisms of the treaty  itself - the fact  that it is                                                               
long and complicated.  It dictates what laws the  U.S. would have                                                               
to have  and that  raises concerns  about sovereignty.  Mr. Floyd                                                               
said  that  this is  coming  from  the  United Nations  where  it                                                               
appears  that a  lot of  people from  government are  pushing for                                                               
this  than really  are. The  common person  is not  familiar with                                                               
this  treaty and  it's coming  from the  top down.  He urged  the                                                               
committee to exercise caution.                                                                                                  
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI closed public testimony.                                                                                  
4:04:03 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said the  only question  that came  up was                                                               
that the U.S. had opted out  of the provisions in section 297; so                                                               
he didn't think there was a problem.                                                                                            
SENATOR  HUGGINS   said  he  doesn't  know   anything  about  the                                                               
International  Court   of  Justice   and  without   any  previous                                                               
experience with it,  his confidence level is not  high. But those                                                               
advocating for  this treaty  have good  reasoning, and  if things                                                               
work out as envisioned it would  be good; but if conflicts arise,                                                               
his  confidence  level  of adjudicating  those  is  low.  Senator                                                               
Huggins stated that  he does not have a problem  with this moving                                                               
out  of  committee  but   when  international  organizations  are                                                               
involved, the ability to solve conflict is doubtful.                                                                            
SENATOR  STEVENS  moved to  report  HJR  22 from  committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations.  There were no objections  and it was                                                               
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
        HJR 28-OPPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON OIL/GAS ACTIVITIES                                                                    
4:06:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR   WIELECHOWSKI   announced  HJR   28   to   be  up   for                                                               
consideration.  [CSHJR 28(RES)am  was  before  the committee  for                                                               
JEANNE OSTNESS,  staff to Representative Johnson,  sponsor of HJR
28,  provided  a  brief  explanation  of  the  history  of  Outer                                                               
Continental Shelf (OCS) drilling.                                                                                               
MS. OSTNESS read the following statement:                                                                                       
     In 1953  Congress passed the Submerged  Lands Act (SLA)                                                                    
     which granted  individual states the rights  to natural                                                                    
     resources  on submerged  lands up  to three  miles from                                                                    
     shore.  It  also  reaffirmed   federal  claims  to  all                                                                    
     resources  on  lands  on the  Outer  Continental  Shelf                                                                    
     (OCS) which consists of all  lands seaward of the outer                                                                    
     limit of the state's 3 mile extent.                                                                                        
     The  passage of  the  Submerged Lands  Act  led to  the                                                                    
     passage of the Outer  Continental Shelf Lands Act later                                                                    
     in    1953.    That    act   outlines    the    federal                                                                    
     responsibilities   over   the   submerged   lands   and                                                                    
     authorizes  the  secretary  of the  Interior  to  lease                                                                    
     those lands for resource development.                                                                                      
     In  the 1960s  and 1970s  an emergent  environmentalist                                                                    
     movement  resulted  in  the  passage  of  the  National                                                                    
     Environmental Policy  Act of 1969, the  creation of the                                                                    
     EPA in 1970 and the  establishment of the Clean Air Act                                                                    
     in  1972. These  and  other related  bills created  the                                                                    
     core  of the  regulatory  framework  that is  currently                                                                    
     applicable to all extractive industries.                                                                                   
     During the  80's, various area specific  moratoriums on                                                                    
     OCS  drilling  were  passed by  Congress.  During  this                                                                    
     time, petroleum revenues dropped markedly.                                                                                 
     By 1990  the bans on  drilling had encompassed  so much                                                                    
     of  the  US  exclusive  economic zone  that  a  blanket                                                                    
     moratorium in most areas was  enacted by the President.                                                                    
     In  2008,  President  Bush rescinded  the  presidential                                                                    
     moratorium on  OCS drilling, removing one  of the major                                                                    
     roadblocks.  And in October  of 2008, Congress followed                                                                    
     suit and rescinded  their ban on OCS  leasing and lands                                                                    
     came up for lease.                                                                                                         
     The (Mining  and Minerals  Service) MMS  estimates that                                                                    
     about 574  million acres  of the  US OCS  are currently                                                                    
     off  limits  representing  about   85  percent  of  OCS                                                                    
     acreage offshore in the Lower  48.  Estimated resources                                                                    
     in the  banned areas  are 17.8  billion barrels  of oil                                                                    
     and 76.5 Tcf of natural gas.                                                                                               
     A  recent  northern  economics report  commissioned  by                                                                    
     Shell oil  on the  economic impacts of  OCS development                                                                    
     in Alaska,  projects that 35,000  jobs will  be created                                                                    
     in the state  over 50 years of OCS  development.  Those                                                                    
     jobs represent  a combine payroll  of $72  billion over                                                                    
     the 50-year period projected in the study.                                                                                 
     Unfortunately, recent comments  and actions by Interior                                                                    
     Secretary  Salazar and  President Obama  have cast  the                                                                    
     future of  OCS drilling  into doubt. Present  Obama has                                                                    
     chosen  to  delay  the   lifting  of  the  presidential                                                                    
     moratorium on  OCS drilling  and Secretary  Salazar has                                                                    
     expressed an  interest in closing or  severely limiting                                                                    
     OCS exploration and  drilling in areas of  the Lower 48                                                                    
     in favor  of an  as yet uncrafted  comprehensive energy                                                                    
     This  kind of  back-pedaling and  uncertainty adversely                                                                    
     effects   potential    exploration   and   development.                                                                    
     Especially in economically  uncertain times like these,                                                                    
     companies  can't afford  to risk  huge sums  of capital                                                                    
     unless  they have  a  reasonable  guarantee that  their                                                                    
     investment won't be  pulled out from under  them at the                                                                    
     last minute.                                                                                                               
     To  that  effect,  HJR  28 sends  a  clear  message  to                                                                    
     President Obama, Secretary Salazar  and the US Congress                                                                    
     that they should pass no  laws or administrative orders                                                                    
     that  would restrict  OCS drilling  and exploration  in                                                                    
     Alaska or the  continental US.  Further,  it urges them                                                                    
     to encourage offshore exploration  and drilling. I urge                                                                    
     you to support this resolution.                                                                                            
SENATOR  FRENCH  asked for  Obama's  comments  which Ms.  Ostness                                                               
referred to.                                                                                                                    
MS. OSTNESS  said she has  Secretary Salazar's at hand.  She does                                                               
not have  President Obama's comments  with her but will  get them                                                               
for Senator French.                                                                                                             
4:11:54 PM                                                                                                                    
MARILYN CROCKETT,  Alaska Oil and Gas  Association, supported HJR
28.  Ms. Crockett  stated  the MMS  estimates  that Alaska's  OCS                                                               
resources contain an estimated 27  million barrels of oil and 132                                                               
trillion  cubic feet  of natural  gas. Recent  analysis shows  it                                                               
could generate another $1.3 trillion  in federal, state and local                                                               
revenues and contribute  150,000 jobs if the  areas offshore that                                                               
are restricted  from development at  this time are opened  up. On                                                               
the Alaska level  there is the potential to  generate 35,000 jobs                                                               
with  a  total  payroll  of  $72  billion.  Clearly  this  is  an                                                               
important resource for Alaska and the nation.                                                                                   
4:14:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CROCKETT said  that a lot of challenges exist  such as remote                                                               
location and  harsh operating  environment, but  other challenges                                                               
can be minimized such as access restrictions.                                                                                   
4:14:34 PM                                                                                                                    
JASON   BRUNE,    Executive   Director,    Resource   Development                                                               
Council(RDC), supported  HJR 28. Mr.  Brune stated that RDC  is a                                                               
statewide non-profit,  membership funded organization  founded in                                                               
1975  comprised of  individuals and  companies from  Alaska's oil                                                               
and  gas, mining,  timber, tourism  and  fisheries industries  as                                                               
well as Alaska native  corporations, local communities, organized                                                               
labor and industry support firms.  RDC's purpose is to link these                                                               
together  to encourage  a strong,  diversified private  sector in                                                               
Alaska  and   expand  the  state's  economic   base  through  the                                                               
responsible   expansion  of   natural  resources.   He  said   an                                                               
additional 15 trillion  cubic feet of gas must  be discovered for                                                               
the trans-Canada  or Denali pipeline  project to  be economically                                                               
viable  over  the  long  term.   He  stated  that  we  should  be                                                               
encouraging OCS  development not hampering  it. OCS has  a strong                                                               
track  record  of  coexisting  with  other  industries  including                                                               
MR.  BRUNE  stated  that   energy  exploration,  development  and                                                               
production in federal  and state waters around  Alaska will occur                                                               
in  an  environmentally  sensitive and  responsible  manner  with                                                               
restrictions  when  needed.   He  said  the  U.S.   has  a  moral                                                               
obligation to  develop domestic  energy sources.  The OCS  is the                                                               
ideal  location and  its resources  will buy  the time  needed to                                                               
develop the alternative and renewable  energy resources that will                                                               
someday break our reliance on foreign oil.                                                                                      
4:17:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  OSTNESS drew  attention to  the House  amendment on  page 3,                                                               
line 3 of the resolution. It  put an emphasis on "responsible" in                                                               
encouraging  and  promoting  continued  responsible  exploration,                                                               
development and production.                                                                                                     
SENATOR FRENCH  supported the thrust  of this resolution,  but he                                                               
was concerned about the WHEREAS clause  on page 2, lines 18 - 21.                                                               
It  states  that key  members  of  the Obama  administration  and                                                               
Congress  have  stated  as  "key  priority"  the  restriction  of                                                               
development of  Alaska's off-shore oil and  gas reserves. Senator                                                               
French  said he  wonders if  it would  be better  to remove  that                                                               
clause  and  focus  on  telling   the  Obama  administration  and                                                               
Congress that we are strongly in support of OCS development.                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  objected for discussion.  His first  question to                                                               
the sponsor is whether that is true or not.                                                                                     
MS.  OSTNESS   replied  that  Secretary  Salazar   announced  the                                                               
Department of the Interior's new  strategy for developing an off-                                                               
shore  energy  plan. Ms.  Ostness  said  step  one is  a  180-day                                                               
extension on comment period for the  proposed 5 year plan for oil                                                               
and  gas development.  Step two  is  assembling a  new report  on                                                               
conventional  and renewable  off-shore energies  and having  then                                                               
four regional conferences to review  the findings. The final step                                                               
is expediting renewable energy rule-making  for OCS.  Ms. Ostness                                                               
stated that it just seemed that it was a delaying tactic.                                                                       
SENATOR FRENCH  said he didn't hear  it as a key  priority of the                                                               
Obama  administration   to  impose  restrictions   on  developing                                                               
Alaska's off shore  and gas reserves. That may  be the underlying                                                               
motive  but that  is not  what was  stated. It  is better  off to                                                               
remove it.                                                                                                                      
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  it does  appear to  be a  little bit  of a                                                               
stick in the  eye. He asked the sponsor if  that had been pointed                                                               
out before.                                                                                                                     
MS. OSTNESS replied no, it had not.                                                                                             
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  said  he  hoped   to  move  this  out  of                                                               
committee today as  Secretary Salazar is in Alaska  and a message                                                               
could  be sent  to him.  Co-chair Wielechowski  said he  tends to                                                               
agree with Senator French.                                                                                                      
4:22:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  said it isn't  imperative that this be  given to                                                               
Secretary Salazar  tomorrow. He  said perhaps this  section needs                                                               
to  be rewritten  and checked  if it  is factual.  Even if  it is                                                               
factual, it should be rewritten.                                                                                                
MS. OSTNESS said  she does not think the sponsor  would object to                                                               
taking that section out.                                                                                                        
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked Ms.  Ostness  given  the choice  of                                                               
delaying the resolution  or taking the section out,  if she would                                                               
have a preference.                                                                                                              
MS. OSTNESS replied that she would rather have it move.                                                                         
SENATOR  HUGGINS  maintained his  objection.  He  stated that  it                                                               
would be  smarter to take a  look and see what's  true and what's                                                               
not, change the language and capture the sponsor's intentions.                                                                  
SENATOR FRENCH  said he would  just as soon remove  that section.                                                               
It cleans it  up and the message could be  delivered to Secretary                                                               
Salazar when he's here in Alaska.                                                                                               
4:24:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. OSTNESS said  that this is viewed as a  "sense of the House,"                                                               
had  the  majority  members  signed the  letter  and  have  given                                                               
Secretary Salazar the resolution with the House's results.                                                                      
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said he would  like to move HJR  22 today,                                                               
but it is a committee process.                                                                                                  
SENATOR HUGGINS  said he agreed  with striking it, but  the sense                                                               
of  the House  has  already happened.  The  resolutions would  be                                                               
different if the Senate changes it.                                                                                             
SENATOR FRENCH said  there is no obligation that  they be exactly                                                               
the same.  The Senate  could pass  one that  says what  they have                                                               
agreed to.                                                                                                                      
SENATOR HUGGINS said he preferred  to do the modification so that                                                               
it moves out, is accurate and doesn't stick somebody in the eye.                                                                
SENATOR STEVENS pointed  out that this is a  joint resolution. He                                                               
questioned  that the  House has  already dispersed  their version                                                               
even though  it has not been  approved by both the  House and the                                                               
MS. OSTNESS  said a letter  was written just indicating  that the                                                               
House has  passed this  resolution and  that it  was viewed  as a                                                               
sense of the House at this point.                                                                                               
SENATOR  STEVENS remarked  that sending  a joint  resolution that                                                               
hasn't been approved by the Senate was premature.                                                                               
MS. OSTNESS replied  that it was just a letter;  they didn't send                                                               
the resolution.                                                                                                                 
SENATOR STEVENS said he is  comfortable moving the resolution. It                                                               
does not harm the resolution to take it out.                                                                                    
4:26:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER asked for clarification  on what was sent, was it                                                               
a letter stating there was a resolution in process?                                                                             
MS. OSTNESS answered yes - and  that it had passed the House with                                                               
a majority vote.                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER  said he'd  be comfortable taking  it out  if the                                                               
sponsor didn't want to re-write the  section, but he thinks if it                                                               
is left in it should be re-written.                                                                                             
SENATOR FRENCH maintains his motion to  remove page 2, lines 18 -                                                               
4:27:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if there was  continued objection to                                                               
the  motion  of removing  page  2,  lines  18-21. There  were  no                                                               
objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                               
SENATOR FRENCH  moved to  report SCS CSHB  HJR 28(RES)am  be from                                                               
committee   with  individual   recommendations.  There   were  no                                                               
objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                               
^Confirmation Hearings: Board of Fisheries                                                                                      
           Confirmation Hearings: Board of Fisheries                                                                        
4:28:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI next took up  the confirmation for Brent G.                                                               
Johnson to the Board of Fisheries.                                                                                              
4:29:09 PM                                                                                                                    
BRENT JOHNSON, Clam Gulch, said he  was born in 1955 in Seldovia.                                                               
Mr. Johnson  gave some background information  about himself. His                                                               
dad was an avid hunter and  fisher. He graduated from high school                                                               
in 1973 and got married in  1975. Mr. Johnson became a set netter                                                               
and in the  winter ran his dad's surveying crew.  For the past 34                                                               
years he has been set-netting  constantly and working for his dad                                                               
or brother in the surveying field.                                                                                              
4:31:03 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JOHNSON stated  that he became involved in the  Fish and Game                                                               
Advisory Committee  and the set-netting association  called Kenai                                                               
Fishermen's Association.  He was  president of  that a  number of                                                               
times. He went  to his first Board of Fisheries  meeting in about                                                               
1977.  He  was  also  involved  in  the  Cook  Inlet  Aquaculture                                                               
Association  and  is  president  of that  organization  now.  Mr.                                                               
Johnson  pointed out  that he  likes to  look at  all people  for                                                               
whatever they  can contribute.  He is  perfectly willing  to work                                                               
with sport  fishermen. He was  involved in the Cook  Inlet salmon                                                               
branding program, Kenai Wild. He  has been involved in Cook Inlet                                                               
spill  response.  Mr.  Johnson  said he  surveyed  shore  fishery                                                               
leases with his  dad for a program allowing set  netters to lease                                                               
tide  lands area  for security  for  their site.  The state  made                                                               
changes to this program and Mr.  Johnson said his dad didn't want                                                               
any part of it.                                                                                                                 
4:34:10 PM                                                                                                                    
His  dad refused  to draw  maps done  in the  new manner,  so Mr.                                                               
Johnson  started  drawing these  shore  fishery  diagrams in  the                                                               
Bristol Bay  area and Kodiak  and through  Cook Inlet. He  got to                                                               
know fishermen and their differences  in set netting in the area.                                                               
He  points out  he  has  been a  member  of  the Kenai  Peninsula                                                               
Borough  Planning Commission  for  12 years.  He  believes it  is                                                               
fairly similar to what he has seen Board of Fish people do.                                                                     
4:35:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  asked the  single most  important thing  a Board                                                               
member  has to  know to  be  effective on  the Board  and in  the                                                               
MR. JOHNSON  replied that you  have to  know about the  fish. You                                                               
have to know what it takes to make a fishery sustainable.                                                                       
SENATOR  HUGGINS said  that unfortunately  Mr. Johnson  is caught                                                               
between  a rock  and a  hard place  with the  fish caught  in the                                                               
middle of that debate. With  that backdrop, Senator Huggins asked                                                               
about the  Aquaculture Association and  its task and the  sort of                                                               
things Mr. Johnson has worked on.                                                                                               
MR. JOHNSON said the Aquaculture  Association is making more fish                                                               
for  everybody. It's  involved in  habitat issues,  educating the                                                               
public and  making fisheries better for  commercial fisherman and                                                               
personal use  and sport fisherman.  There are currently a  lot of                                                               
studies in the Susitna River  system because people aren't seeing                                                               
fish  there that  they have  seen  in the  past. The  Aquaculture                                                               
Association put weirs at a number  of lakes and counted more fish                                                               
than the  Department of Fish  and Game  had counted by  sonar. So                                                               
it's obvious that the sonar wasn't working entirely properly.                                                                   
4:38:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked how many  people are  on the Board  of the                                                               
Aquaculture Association.                                                                                                        
MR. JOHNSON replied that there are  about 25 people on the Board,                                                               
representing  numerous  organizations.  It's a  requirement  that                                                               
over 50 percent are commercial fishermen.                                                                                       
SENATOR HUGGINS said  this was the first time he'd  heard that at                                                               
least 50  percent that are  commercial fisherman. He asked  if it                                                               
was also a requirement that at  least 50 percent have to be sport                                                               
MR. JOHNSON replied  that if there is over  50 percent commercial                                                               
fisherman  then   there  couldn't   be  over  50   percent  sport                                                               
fisherman.  Mr. Johnson  said the  reason  for this  is that  the                                                               
Aquaculture  Association draws  2  percent  from the  fisherman's                                                               
take.   The state,  when it set  up these  non-profit Aquaculture                                                               
Associations, set up those by-laws.                                                                                             
SENATOR HUGGINS asked  what Mr. Johnson knows  about UCIDA (Upper                                                               
Cook Inlet Drift Association) having filed suit.                                                                                
4:40:39 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  JOHNSON replied  that  it  is the  United  Cook Inlet  Drift                                                               
Association,  not Upper  Cook Inlet.  Mr. Johnson  said that  the                                                               
Aquaculture Association isn't  involved in that suit  in any way.                                                               
It was  first brought to life  when Mr. Johnson was  president of                                                               
the  Kenai Peninsula  Fisherman's Association.  There were  joint                                                               
meetings  between  UCIDA  and  KPFA with  the  attorney,  so  Mr.                                                               
Johnson knew  a bit about  it early  on. Mr. Johnson  resigned as                                                               
president of  KPFA and  didn't stay  100 percent  in-the-know. He                                                               
does remember  the attorney  making a  presentation to  the Kenai                                                               
City Council  and dip netting  got involved  in it there.  He and                                                               
other  fishermen  were  scratching  their heads  over  this.  Mr.                                                               
Johnson says he  is confused as to  how it is now  portrayed as a                                                               
dip net issue in the press or presentations.                                                                                    
4:42:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS said the alarm he  is hearing from people is that                                                               
the  dip-netter  personal-use fishery  would  pay  the bills  for                                                               
that. Senator  Huggins said  Mr. Johnson  represents a  change in                                                               
demographic  representation.  Fairbanks  loses   a  seat  as  the                                                               
position moves south.  He asked for Mr.  Johnson's perspective on                                                               
MR.  JOHNSON  answered  that he  is  sympathetic  with  Fairbanks                                                               
losing representation. Fairbanks has  had representation and been                                                               
happy with  it as far as  he knows. Commercial fishermen  in Cook                                                               
Inlet have been  shy of representation for a number  of years. He                                                               
has not withdrawn due to  his sympathy for Fairbanks because they                                                               
could possibly get a seat in the next cycle.                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGGINS  asked Mr. Johnson  to repeat what he  said about                                                               
commercial fishermen being underrepresented in the past.                                                                        
MR. JOHNSON said Danny DeGrout  was the last commercial fisherman                                                               
to  serve from  Cook  Inlet, and  he was  appointed  in 1975  and                                                               
retired   in   1978.  Cook   Inlet   has   had  16   sport   fish                                                               
representatives on  the Board of  Fish since Mr.  DeGrout, adding                                                               
up to 54 years of service.  Commercial fishermen have not had any                                                               
representation during that time.                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGGINS said  that disturbs him a little  bit because Mr.                                                               
Johnson   considers  himself   a  balance   for  the   commercial                                                               
fisherman. He  thought that Mr.  Johnson was  considering himself                                                               
to be a balance between sports and commercial fishing.                                                                          
SENATOR  WAGONER  clarified  that  UCIDA   is  not  a  member  of                                                               
Aquaculture per se  as an organization. There  are three at-large                                                               
seats and  UCIDA can be elected  to those three seats.  UCIDA did                                                               
not exist when  the law went into effect; thereby  the statue had                                                               
to be changed for UCIDA to have representation equally.                                                                         
MR. JOHNSON said Senator Wagoner  was correct. UCIDA didn't exist                                                               
and didn't  used to be a  member. They got a  designated seat ten                                                               
years ago  at the same time  that the Seiner's Association  got a                                                               
designated  seat. There  are at  large  seats and  lots of  times                                                               
UCIDA has those seats.                                                                                                          
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  called for  public  testimony  and set  a                                                               
three-minute time limit.                                                                                                        
4:46:07 PM                                                                                                                    
JERRY  MCCUNE,  United  Fishermen   of  Alaska,  supported  Brent                                                               
Johnson's  appointment. They  have known  him for  15 years.  Mr.                                                               
McCune said that  Mr. Johnson has worked with  all different kind                                                               
of fishers and  people. He would bring balance to  all the users.                                                               
Aquaculture groups don't get involved  in lawsuits and are seldom                                                               
involved in nominations of boards.                                                                                              
4:47:55 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDY  SZCZESNY,  representing himself,  said  he  has run  a  fly                                                               
fishing  business for  24  years  on the  Upper  Kenai River  and                                                               
opposed Mr. Johnson's appointment. He  is a past Board member and                                                               
has served on  a couple of subsistence committees.   Mr. Szczesny                                                               
said he does  not think that Mr. Johnson can  be objective in the                                                               
$1.4 billion sports fishery.                                                                                                    
MIKE  KRAMER,  representing  himself,   said  he  serves  on  the                                                               
Fairbanks Fish  and Game Advisory  Committee and is chair  of the                                                               
fisheries subcommittee.  He is speaking  for himself  although he                                                               
noted  that  the  Advisory   Committee  unanimously  opposed  Mr.                                                               
Johnson's   confirmation,   primarily   due  to   the   lack   of                                                               
representation for the Interior if  Mr. Johnson is confirmed. Mr.                                                               
Kramer stated that  it has been an unwritten rule  that the Board                                                               
be   somewhat  equally   divided  with   three  commercial   fish                                                               
interests,  three sport  upriver  advocates  and one  subsistence                                                               
advocate. Mr.  Kramer stated that replacing  Bonnie Williams with                                                               
Brent Johnson  is ensuring a  Board dominated by  commercial fish                                                               
interests  with four  members of  a seven-member  board having  a                                                               
history  and constituency  in the  commercial fish  industry. Mr.                                                               
Kramer expressed  the view that  that is  a very real  threat for                                                               
those who live inland and depend on catching fish for food.                                                                     
MR.  KRAMER said  regional representation  is  important. If  Mr.                                                               
Johnson is confirmed  there won't be any  representation north of                                                               
Big Lake.  This board  would have no  knowledge of  the fisheries                                                               
that are  important to  people there.  The Arctic-Yukon-Kuskokwim                                                               
is in this current board cycle.  Mr. Johnson, if he is confirmed,                                                               
and the  rest of the  Board, will  come to Fairbanks  next winter                                                               
and  debate  hundreds  of  proposals   of  interest  to  interior                                                               
residents.  There  won't be  any  member  of  the Board  who  has                                                               
participated  in those  fisheries.  Mr. Kramer  said  this is  an                                                               
interior seat  and should  go to  someone familiar  with interior                                                               
issues, who  represents consumptive  users and someone  who knows                                                               
and  appreciates subsistence  use, particularly  along the  Yukon                                                               
and Kuskokwim Rivers.                                                                                                           
SENATOR WAGONER stated  there is never a statement  in writing or                                                               
of policy  requiring regional representation. Alaska  is so large                                                               
that you just  couldn't do it with a  seven-member board. Senator                                                               
Wagoner  said there  have been  other times  when things  are not                                                               
geographically evenly  distributed and  they are looking  for the                                                               
best  person to  represent  that state  of  Alaska, not  regional                                                               
MR.  KRAMER said  it  is an  unwritten rule,  adhered  to by  all                                                               
governors  since  Wally  Hickel,  that  there  is  some  Interior                                                               
representation on this board. There  are other minor fluctuations                                                               
in  the  particular   region  that  a  person   comes  from,  but                                                               
historically  there  has  been   three  from  commercial  fishing                                                               
backgrounds, three  from upriver consumptive-use  backgrounds and                                                               
one person  familiar with subsistence fisheries.  It's critically                                                               
important  on a  statewide board  that makes  decisions governing                                                               
the  allocations of  a publicly  owned  resource that  it not  be                                                               
dominated by  one interest.  Mr. Kramer said  he does  not oppose                                                               
the  man, but  the  seat  he is  occupying.  If  Mr. Johnson  was                                                               
nominated to replace any current  commercial fishers on the Board                                                               
Mr. Kramer would not be speaking against it.                                                                                    
4:54:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR FRENCH said  it would be helpful to see  a set of rosters                                                               
of  the Board  of Fisheries  going back  in time  to see  how the                                                               
seats  have been  allocated. Senator  French said  it is  a tough                                                               
decision to make  in three days. He said if  someone can show him                                                               
that for 30  years it's been divided up this  way that would sway                                                               
his vote.                                                                                                                       
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said if the administration  could get that                                                               
information to his office, he would distribute it.                                                                              
4:55:03 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE MCCLURE,  representing himself,  said he lives  in Soldotna                                                               
and  opposed Mr.  Johnson's appointment.  It will  throw out  the                                                               
balance of the Board.                                                                                                           
DAVID GOGGIA,  representing himself,  was from Kenai  and opposed                                                               
Mr. Johnson because of the balance  on the Board. He has attended                                                               
the Board  of Fisheries for  the last ten  years and can  see how                                                               
his  nomination  would  be  detrimental   to  the  sport  fishing                                                               
4:56:30 PM                                                                                                                    
RUBEN HENKE,  representing himself, Kenai,  said he owns  a sport                                                               
fishing business  on the  Kenai River  and opposed  Mr. Johnson's                                                               
confirmation. Mr. Henke  said that with an AYK  meeting coming up                                                               
this year,  a subsistence personal-use  person from  the Interior                                                               
should be on the Board to help lead through that meeting.                                                                       
4:57:04 PM                                                                                                                    
RICKY  GEASE,  Executive  Director,  Kenai  River  Sport  Fishing                                                               
Association,  opposed  Mr.  Johnson's  appointment.  Mr.  Gease's                                                               
organization  believes  there  needs  to be  a  broad  geographic                                                               
representation   and  a   balance   of   commercial,  sport   and                                                               
subsistence   personal   use   interests  on   the   Board.   His                                                               
organization  believes  this  appointment  overweighs  the  Board                                                               
toward  commercial interests  and leaves  Interior representation                                                               
lacking;  it  would  also  be  missing  important  Alaska  Native                                                               
MR.  GEASE said  the North  Pacific Fisheries  Management Council                                                               
(NPFMC)  just capped  Chinook  by-catch at  60,000  fish and  the                                                               
department is  telling Interior  subsistence fishermen  that it's                                                               
going to  consider cutting the  subsistence harvest in  half over                                                               
the next year. He said this is  the time to have someone from the                                                               
AYK area on the Board to deal with these issues.                                                                                
4:58:32 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. GEASE  said that Mr.  Johnson does not have  broad state-wide                                                               
support from  the other  user groups; he  has support  within the                                                               
commercial fishing  industry. Mr.  Johnson is eloquent  about the                                                               
issues within commercial  fishing and does a good  job there. But                                                               
if  one thinks  that Ken  Tarbox, who  is the  retired commercial                                                               
fish biologist in Cook Inlet,  represents sport fishing interests                                                               
of the  Cook Inlet area,  then that person  is "tunnel-visioned."                                                               
Mr. Gease  said there  is also  an issue  with the  science. Last                                                               
year  the Board  last  year  made the  Northern  District fish  a                                                               
stock-of-concern. There were questions from  KPFA and UCIDA about                                                               
the need for going with that designation.                                                                                       
The Board's  number-one priority  is fisheries  conservation, and                                                               
when  there  are  chronic  missed  escapements  in  the  Northern                                                               
District,  there is  a question  whether that  priority has  been                                                               
adhered to.                                                                                                                     
MR. GEASE  said that the  issue with  the sonars is  an important                                                               
one. Cook Inlet Aquaculture did do  a good thing of putting weirs                                                               
in the  Northern District but  mark-recapture studies need  to be                                                               
done  to figure  out the  weighted  balance. In  terms of  Bendix                                                               
versus  Ditson  Sonar counters,  the  Bendix  is not  a  reliable                                                               
source. Mr.  Gease said  the Alaska Department  of Fish  and Game                                                               
(ADF&G) stands  behind the Bendix  sonar counter,  which provides                                                               
an  index,  not  an  absolute  count. They  are  the  best  thing                                                               
5:00:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER said  if Mr. Johnson were appointed  to the Board                                                               
he would not be  able to take part in the  discussion or the vote                                                               
in Cook Inlet issues. Senator  Wagoner asked if that was correct,                                                               
that Mr. Johnson would be conflicted out.                                                                                       
MR. GEASE responded on some of the issues, yes.                                                                                 
SENATOR  WAGONER  asked  if  this   would  be  so  on  any  issue                                                               
pertaining to Cook Inlet.                                                                                                       
MR.  GEASE said  this  is  not the  case.  Mr.  Johnson would  be                                                               
conflicted  out  of  allocation issues  for  commercial  fishing,                                                               
personal use or sport fisheries also.                                                                                           
SENATOR WAGONER  asked if a  person from AYK would  be conflicted                                                               
out in most cases also.                                                                                                         
MR. GEASE said it depends on  who you appoint from the region and                                                               
what economic  interest they  have in  the region  itself. People                                                               
can be  familiar with  fisheries and not  be conflicted  out from                                                               
that region.                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  asked if  there would  be a  conflict if  such a                                                               
person were commercial or subsistence.                                                                                          
MR. GEASE replied not necessarily. It depends on the proposal.                                                                  
CO-CHAIR  WIELECHOWSKI  said he  want  Legislative  Legal or  the                                                               
administration to give  a quick overview at some  point about the                                                               
conflict issue.                                                                                                                 
5:02:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MEL  MORRIS, representing  himself,  Kodiak, said  he  is on  the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries and supported  Mr. Johnson. He said  much has                                                               
been made  of about representation  throughout the state,  but he                                                               
didn't see  himself as  having constituents,  but rather  a moral                                                               
and legal  obligation to  deal with all  the fisheries  issues as                                                               
they come  up. Mr. Morris said  all members learn by  reading the                                                               
material  that comes  to them  and  listening to  the people  who                                                               
present an argument,  comment or science. Mr.  Morris stated that                                                               
a person who is  willing to work hard and be  a good board member                                                               
can do  so regardless of  where he  lives. Mr. Morris  thinks Mr.                                                               
Johnson's  background experience  is  good and  relevant, and  he                                                               
knows how  to listen to  three sides  of every story.  Cook Inlet                                                               
Aquaculture  Association  is  not  just  a  commercial  fisheries                                                               
organization, it  provides fish  for the  sport and  personal use                                                               
fisheries, Lower  Cook Inlet, Upper  Cook Inlet  and Resurrection                                                               
5:05:08 PM                                                                                                                    
KENNY    ROGERS,   President,    Kenai   Peninsula    Fishermen's                                                               
Association, (KPFA),  and Director of the  Cook Inlet Aquaculture                                                               
Association, said  he is  an Alaska  Native living  in Anchorage,                                                               
and  is both  commercial and  sport fisherman.  He supported  Mr.                                                               
Johnson's nomination  because he  is fair,  listens to  all sides                                                               
and is  active in  the community.  He'd be a  great asset  to the                                                               
JOHN  JENSON,  representing  himself,  Petersburg  resident,  and                                                               
Chair of Alaska Board of  Fisheries, supported Mr. Johnson saying                                                               
he  has a  commercial fishing  background and  there is  only one                                                               
other full-time  commercial fisherman  on the  Board and  that is                                                               
Mr. Jenson himself.  Mr. Jenson stated that Mr.  Johnson has been                                                               
reasonable  to work  with  when he  is before  the  Board on  the                                                               
public side. He  is fair minded and interested  in sustaining the                                                               
fisheries as mandated by the State Constitution.                                                                                
JOHN   BLAIR,  Executive   Director,   Southeast  Alaska   Guides                                                               
Organization in  Sitka, opposed  Mr. Johnson.  Mr. Blair  said it                                                               
would  be a  missed opportunity  for Interior  representation and                                                               
his  background duplicates  qualifications  already present  with                                                               
current board  members. The Board  works best when  there's broad                                                               
representation  from  diverse  areas   and  diverse  groups.  Mr.                                                               
Blair's group asked that the  Governor find someone familiar with                                                               
Interior and Native  issues who will provide a  fair and balanced                                                               
approach to governing.                                                                                                          
5:07:52 PM                                                                                                                    
THERESA  WEISER,  President  of   Sitka  Charter  Boat  Operators                                                               
Association, opposed  Mr. Johnson.  Ms. Weiser  has been  a lodge                                                               
owner  for 20  years  and a  resident of  Sitka  since 1978.  She                                                               
stated the  opinion that Mr. Johnson's  nomination raises serious                                                               
concerns for regional representation  and it's important that the                                                               
Board  of  Fisheries reflects  the  diverse  user groups,  ethnic                                                               
groups and locations throughout  the state. This nomination means                                                               
no   representation  for   Interior  Alaska,   no  up-river,   no                                                               
subsistence  and  no Native  representation  and  the next  cycle                                                               
involves decisions for this area.                                                                                               
MS. WEISER said  the Board of Fisheries is best  at doing its job                                                               
by  including  members  from   Southeast,  South  Central,  South                                                               
Western  and Interior  Alaska. She  said  her group  respectfully                                                               
recommends  the  Governor find  a  Board  of Fisheries  appointee                                                               
familiar  with  interior  and  up-river  subsistence  and  native                                                               
fisheries issues  and one  who will provide  a fair  and balanced                                                               
approach to allocation decisions.                                                                                               
PAT  DONALDSON, representing  himself,  said he  is  a sport  and                                                               
personal  use fisherman  and small  fishing  guide operator.  Mr.                                                               
Donaldson said  the Board  now favors  commercial fishing  and he                                                               
opposed  Mr.  Johnson's  nomination.  Mr.  Donaldson  said  Vince                                                               
Webster is  a Bristol Bay set  netter and Mel Morris  is employed                                                               
in the sea food industry as  an expeditor of fish sales including                                                               
sales of fish  caught in Cook Inlet. John Jenson  is a commercial                                                               
fisherman  and Brent  Johnson is  a  Cook Inlet  set netter.  Mr.                                                               
Donaldson said if you have been  in any of the Board of Fisheries                                                               
meetings  it is  very obvious  that commercial  fishing is  king.                                                               
Sport fishing needs more representation.                                                                                        
Regional  representation  is  very   important  in  the  upcoming                                                               
decisions in  the Yukon  Kuskokwim area  and the  Interior. There                                                               
needs to  be someone on  the Board  that can represent  them. Mr.                                                               
Donaldson said  there would be  four people represented  in South                                                               
Central  Alaska if  Mr.  Johnson  is elected  and  zero from  the                                                               
MR.  DONALDSON  said Cook  Inlet  is  unique  in sport  fish  and                                                               
commercial  fish  arguments.  Over  60  percent  of  the  state's                                                               
population lives  in close proximity  to Cook Inlet  and accesses                                                               
Cook Inlet  for personal  and sport  fishing. Mr.  Donaldson said                                                               
Cook  Inlet is  the  largest salmon  fishing  destination in  the                                                               
world.  Over 200,000  people, estimated,  according  to Fish  and                                                               
Game documents, used that area  for fishing for salmon last year.                                                               
Those meetings  are very contentious  and hard to deal  with. Mr.                                                               
Donaldson  said that  Mr.  Johnson has  demonstrated  that he  is                                                               
against sport fishing  in general and that there  are quotes from                                                               
Mr. Johnson  in those meetings  to prove  it. It is  obvious that                                                               
Mr.  Johnson would  not represent  sport fishing  at all  in this                                                               
5:12:04 PM                                                                                                                    
Mr. Donaldson  also points  back to the  lawsuit saying  that the                                                               
organizations that  Mr. Johnson  has been  a part  of and  been a                                                               
part of  leadership in have  been very involved in  this lawsuit.                                                               
Mr. Donaldson stated  the opinion that a citizen  of Alaska would                                                               
have trouble  depending on the  Board to make  critical decisions                                                               
about  Cook Inlet  when some  of its  members have  been directly                                                               
involved in lawsuits  that would take authority  to make critical                                                               
decisions away from the Board and the State of Alaska.                                                                          
5:12:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  asked what organization Mr.  Johnson is involved                                                               
in that is a party to the lawsuit.                                                                                              
MR.  DONALDSON said  that  UCIDA and  members  of the  commercial                                                               
fishing  industry that  have been  involved in  those discussions                                                               
and in those  organizations join in together. It is  not a single                                                               
lawsuit represented by one person.                                                                                              
SENATOR WAGONER  repeated his question, asking  what organization                                                               
Mr. Johnson  is involved in that  is a party to  the lawsuit that                                                               
has been discussed.                                                                                                             
MR.  DONALDSON said  he  didn't  know the  exact  answer to  that                                                               
question. Mr. Donaldson said, having  attended plenty of meetings                                                               
and listened  to discussions that  the members of the  Cook Inlet                                                               
fishing community  have been  involved in,  Mr. Johnson  has been                                                               
involved in that kind of discussion.                                                                                            
SENATOR WAGONER  stated that  the lawsuit  was brought  by United                                                               
Cook Inlet Drift Association and they  are the only ones party to                                                               
that lawsuit.  The Aquaculture Association won't  get involved in                                                               
those types  of lawsuits  because it  stays away  from allocative                                                               
issues. Its mission is more  to support, sustain and enhance fish                                                               
runs throughout the whole district.                                                                                             
5:14:15 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD PERSON, representing himself,  supported Mr. Johnson. Mr.                                                               
Person is a lifelong Alaska  and commercial fishes in Cook Inlet.                                                               
He has  been to a  lot of board meetings  and has never  come out                                                               
feeling like  a king, but rather  wondering if he'll still  be in                                                               
business. Mr. Person said Mr.  Johnson has integrity, is eloquent                                                               
and has a passion for reading  and studying. It has been 30 years                                                               
since  a set  netter has  sat  on the  Board. It  is a  statewide                                                               
CHRIS GARCIA, Kenai, supported Mr.  Johnson. Mr. Garcia has known                                                               
Mr.  Johnson  for  a  long  time and  thinks  he  is  honest  and                                                               
intelligent whose reason  for serving on the Board of  Fish is to                                                               
keep the fisheries alive and going.                                                                                             
5:15:54 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD  ERKENEFF, Kenai  Peninsula, said  he is  a lodge  and RV                                                               
camp  owner on  the  Kenai  River and  opposed  Mr. Johnson.  Mr.                                                               
Erkeneff said the  success of many small,  Alaskan businesses and                                                               
the well  being of  many citizens  depends upon  sustainable fish                                                               
for  all the  user  groups -  commercial,  sport, personal  user,                                                               
subsistence. Mr. Erkeneff said after  public testimony, the Board                                                               
goes into  private deliberation and  the user groups need  a fair                                                               
balance  during   these  private  deliberations.   Mr.  Johnson's                                                               
nomination would  make the Board over-weighted  toward commercial                                                               
fisherman interests.                                                                                                            
5:18:47 PM                                                                                                                    
GARY  CHAMBERLAIN, from  Sterling,  Alaska,  opposed Mr.  Johnson                                                               
because the Board needs to have Interior representation.                                                                        
JOE CONNORS,  Sterling, Alaska, said  he owns a fishing  lodge on                                                               
the Kenai  River and  opposed Mr. Johnson.  Mr. Connors  said the                                                               
committee just  did a  good job  with the  previous two  Board of                                                               
Game applicants,  discussing diversity and advocacy.  Mr. Connors                                                               
said that Mr. Johnson would  not provide geographic or user group                                                               
diversity. Mr. Johnson has been  a strong advocate for commercial                                                               
fishing  at  the  expense  of  other  user  groups,  and  against                                                               
personal use fishing  and sport fishing, guided  or unguided. His                                                               
record can  be checked. Mr.  Connors stated he is  also concerned                                                               
about the  lawsuit against  the personal  use fishery.  That's an                                                               
Alaskan fishery for Alaskans and it has to continue.                                                                            
5:21:04 PM                                                                                                                    
RON RAINEY,  Kenai River,  opposed Mr.  Johnson. Mr.  Rainey said                                                               
the most asked question he gets  is "Are the nets in today?" That                                                               
means if the  commercial nets are in the water,  other fishing is                                                               
going  to  go  down  the  toilet.  That's  the  impact  that  the                                                               
commercial industry  has on the  fishery in the Kenai  River. Mr.                                                               
Rainey said  the fishery  in South Central  Alaska is  worth $1.4                                                               
billion; that's the largest sport  fishery in Alaska. Mr. Johnson                                                               
would  be fair  in his  own mind  but his  mindset is  commercial                                                               
fishing and  that is what  he would advocate. Mr.  Rainey opposed                                                               
Mr.  Johnson,  having heard  him  in  many  meetings as  an  avid                                                               
commercial fish proponent.                                                                                                      
MONTE   ROBERTS,  President,   Kenai  River   Professional  Guide                                                               
Association, opposed Mr. Johnson's  appointment to the Board, but                                                               
he has the  utmost respect for him personally. He  fights just as                                                               
hard for  his interests as  Mr. Roberts  fights for his  own. Mr.                                                               
Johnson  would  not  be  fair  and  balanced.  Personal  use  and                                                               
subsistence need representation.                                                                                                
5:23:13 PM                                                                                                                    
RICHARD  THOMPSON,  supported   Mr.  Johnson's  appointment.  Mr.                                                               
Thompson  stated that  Mr. Johnson  is an  active member  of many                                                               
organizations  and   is  very  knowledgeable  on   local  fishing                                                               
management.  He  says things  people  don't  necessarily want  to                                                               
hear, but  his statements are based  on fact. Mr. Johnson  is the                                                               
voice Cook Inlet needs with all the user groups.                                                                                
DREW  SPARLIN, President,  United  Cook  Inlet Drift  Association                                                               
(UCIDA), supported Mr.  Johnson. He said that he  served with Mr.                                                               
Johnson on various  boards and committees for over  30 years. Mr.                                                               
Sparlin stated  that Mr.  Johnson makes  fair decisions  based on                                                               
best  available   science,  not  politics.  Drifters   are  often                                                               
competing with  set-netters for  the same  stock. He  stated that                                                               
UCIDA is confident  that Mr. Johnson will approach  all areas and                                                               
user groups with unbiased consideration  and attention to detail.                                                               
There has not been a commercial  fisherman from Cook Inlet on the                                                               
Board since  1980. In  this same  time, there  have been  18 non-                                                               
commercial seats  filled with  people from  the Cook  Inlet area.                                                               
Mr.  Sparlin stated  that UCIDA  strongly supports  Mr. Johnson's                                                               
nomination and is not involved in any lawsuit.                                                                                  
DYRE  VANDEVERE, commercial  fisherman,  supported Mr.  Johnson's                                                               
appointment to  the Board of  Fisheries. He  has known him  for a                                                               
number  of years  and worked  with him  on different  boards. Mr.                                                               
VanDevere stated  that Mr. Johnson  would represent  everybody in                                                               
Alaska and  a commercial fisherman  from Cook Inlet is  needed on                                                               
the Board. Mr. Johnson wants to  know the science before he makes                                                               
up his mind  on anything. He is  fair and impartial and  is not a                                                               
person who wants to do away with another industry.                                                                              
5:26:55 PM                                                                                                                    
JUDY JOHNSON, Clam Gulch, said she  is married to Mr. Johnson and                                                               
supported his  appointment. He will  research to find  the truth;                                                               
he is  a good speaker  and he's honest.  She knows it  would mean                                                               
time  away from  home and  many hours  of work  at home,  but she                                                               
knows he would do a wonderful job for the Board.                                                                                
CHRISTINE BRANDT,  representing herself, stated that  Mr. Johnson                                                               
will represent  any group,  whether they are  a minority  or not,                                                               
with  integrity,   respect  and  honesty.  Ms.   Brandt  recently                                                               
reviewed  a document  sent by  Ricky Gease  referring to  letters                                                               
from  Governor  Sarah  Palin.  Ms. Brandt  stated  that  she  was                                                               
shocked  that someone  would  take a  letter  written by  elderly                                                               
pioneering  women and  manipulate  content to  benefit their  own                                                               
needs. These  are women  who have homesteaded  in Alaska  and who                                                               
are  still  active in  their  communities.  Ms. Brandt  told  the                                                               
committee that  she hopes they  will disregard  these abbreviated                                                               
letters. They are not relevant to the task at hand.                                                                             
MS. BRANDT said the Board of  Fisheries is more than what someone                                                               
does for a  living or where someone lives  or someone's political                                                               
affiliations.  She said  a Board  member should  be approachable,                                                               
available   and  willing   to   learn   different  cultures,   be                                                               
considerate and respectful. Ms.  Brandt said Governor Sarah Palin                                                               
is  not appointing  a fishing  group or  type of  fishery to  the                                                               
Board of  Fisheries, but an  active member of the  community, who                                                               
is raising  a family  and has historical  roots in  Anchorage and                                                               
BILL SULLIVAN,  Kenai resident,  supported Mr.  Johnson. He  is a                                                               
respected fellow  advocate of  the state's  resources and  he has                                                               
witnessed  Mr. Johnson's  advocacy of  fishery resources.  He has                                                               
observed  Mr. Johnson's  keen intellect,  respectful disposition,                                                               
and unassailable work ethic in action as well.                                                                                  
MR. SULLIVAN referred  to the Cook Inlet sport  fishing caucus ad                                                               
in  the  last  two  weekend's  paper and  stated  a  lot  of  the                                                               
suggestions  in it  are untrue.  Mr.  Sullivan said  none of  the                                                               
organizations mentioned in the ad  had any intention of outlawing                                                               
personal use dip-netting.                                                                                                       
5:32:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CLIFF  CHAMBERLIN,  representing  himself,  said he  has  been  a                                                               
commercial fisherman  and is now a  guide on the Kenai  River and                                                               
that  he  opposed  Mr.  Johnson's  nomination  to  the  Board  of                                                               
Fisheries. Mr. Chamberlin stated  he has nothing personal against                                                               
him,  but he  would  like  to see  the  Board  have more  diverse                                                               
representation from different areas of the state.                                                                               
5:33:12 PM                                                                                                                    
BOBBY   THORSTENSON,   fourth   generation   Alaskan   commercial                                                               
fisherman,  supported Mr.  Johnson's  appointment.  The first  50                                                               
years  that  Mr.  Thorstenson's  family lived  here  the  federal                                                               
government  managed the  fisheries  resource and  did a  terrible                                                               
job. By the  time the state took over  management, the population                                                               
of the salmon  harvest was about 10 percent of  what it is today.                                                               
Mr.  Thorstenson  said  in  the   first  25  years  of  statehood                                                               
management, the Board of Fisheries  had 6 or 7 commercial fishing                                                               
representatives.  At  that 25th  year  of  statehood, the  second                                                               
sports oriented member was added from Fairbanks.                                                                                
Mr. Thorstenson stated that Mr.  Johnson will represent people in                                                               
a broader perspective,  not just from a  commercial fishing. It's                                                               
been  31 years  since there's  been  a Cook  Inlet fisherman  and                                                               
there's been 16  sports fisherman. Mr. Thorstenson  said the vast                                                               
majority  of regulations  dealt  with in  Southeast are  straight                                                               
commercial  fishing internal  regulation, not  allocation issues,                                                               
and sport fishermen  on the Board have previously  done good work                                                               
for  Southeast  commercial  fisherman.  The  Governor  must  have                                                               
tremendous  respect  for  Mr. Johnson's  abilities,  because  she                                                               
decided to  take a remarkable  risk in angering  sports fisherman                                                               
by appointing him.                                                                                                              
5:37:52 PM                                                                                                                    
DAVID  MARTIN, commercial  fisherman, Clam  Gulch, supported  Mr.                                                               
Johnson's appointment.  Mr. Martin said  he has been  involved in                                                               
the Boards  of Fish and  Game and advisory committee  process for                                                               
over  25  years  and  is  the current  chairman  of  the  Central                                                               
Peninsula Advisory Committee.  He knows that Mr.  Johnson is very                                                               
qualified  and he  resents  the assumption  that  someone with  a                                                               
commercial  fishing interest  cannot be  objective and  represent                                                               
all users and all areas.                                                                                                        
MR. MARTIN  said he has known  Mr. Johnson for over  35 years and                                                               
his record  of service verifies  his integrity and  fairness, his                                                               
ability to  read and digest  scientific and biological  data, and                                                               
his knowledge  of the various  user groups. Mr. Martin  said that                                                               
Mr.  Johnson is  a leader  and is  the type  of person  the state                                                               
needs to  be on the  Board of Fish.  He can fairly  represent the                                                               
various areas  of the  state as  should the  other Board  of Fish                                                               
ROD BERG, representing himself and  his family, Soldotna, opposed                                                               
Mr. Johnson's appointment. Mr. Berg  said that Mr. Johnson fishes                                                               
11 set  net permits  and because  of that, he  could not  bring a                                                               
fair  and  balanced  approach  to  the  Board  of  Fisheries  and                                                               
consider the needs of sport and personal use fishermen.                                                                         
MURRAY  FENTON,   Kenai  River   guide,  opposed   Mr.  Johnson's                                                               
appointment. Mr. Fenton  stated that Mr. Johnson has  been a loud                                                               
voice for  the Cook Inlet  commercial fisherman and  more balance                                                               
is needed on the Board.                                                                                                         
MR. FENTON  said that  even though Mr.  Johnson would  manage for                                                               
sustained yield  and that  the commercial  fishermen get  all the                                                               
fish they  have coming to them,  the upstream fishermen are  in a                                                               
different boat. Last  year they came up  several hundred thousand                                                               
fish  short of  their goal  for sockeye.  Mr. Fenton  said he  is                                                               
scared that based  on Mr. Johnson's record, this is  not the time                                                               
to have him on the Board.                                                                                                       
5:42:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  asked Mr.  Fenton to  clarify coming  up several                                                               
hundred thousand fish short last year.                                                                                          
MR.  FENTON said  the sockeye  escapement goal  was 300,000  fish                                                               
short.  The commercial  fisherman  got millions  of  fish in  the                                                               
Inlet and  the sport  fishers were  short changed.  Sport fishers                                                               
were shut down on the Kenai River for sockeye.                                                                                  
PAUL  SHADURA,  representing  himself,  supported  Mr.  Johnson's                                                               
appointment.  Mr.  Shadura  stated   that  he  is  the  executive                                                               
director of  the Kenai  Peninsula Fisherman's  Association (KPFA)                                                               
and  the Cook  Inlet  Region Incorporated  Representative on  the                                                               
Cook  Inlet   Aquaculture  Association  Board.  He   is  a  third                                                               
generation commercial set netter in  Cook Inlet of Russian and of                                                               
Alaska Native descent.  He said that commercial  fishing for many                                                               
is a  way to  survive in  Alaska, a  way to  feed and  raise your                                                               
family. Many  Alaskans look seaward  for the return of  salmon to                                                               
feed  their  families, the  community  or  the world.  All  users                                                               
should  have   a  reasonable   opportunity  to   access  Alaska's                                                               
resources. Mr. Shadura  said that Mr. Johnson  has always strived                                                               
to be fair and balanced. He would  be a great asset to the people                                                               
of  the state.  Mr.  Shadura stated  that KPFA  is  not a  direct                                                               
participant  in  any lawsuit  that  denies  the right  to  access                                                               
natural resources.                                                                                                              
SENATOR WAGONER  said a couple of  people told him that  UCIDA is                                                               
the group  that brought that suit,  but he apologized if  that is                                                               
not  so. He  will make  a call  or two  and find  out who  is the                                                               
responsible party.                                                                                                              
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI gave Mr. Johnson three minutes to comment.                                                                
5:46:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. JOHNSON waived his three minutes  and said his only regret is                                                               
that they he heard from a lot of  guides and not a single one who                                                               
supported him and he would like to change that.                                                                                 
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  stated that this  board is a tough  one to                                                               
sit on  and that Mr.  Johnson would make  a lot of  enemies doing                                                               
it.  He appreciated  Mr. Johnson's  willingness to  put his  name                                                               
SENATOR WAGONER brought  attention to some letters,  one of which                                                               
is  from  a  constituent,  Don  Johnson.  His  letter  listed  12                                                               
legislators but  there are no  signatures. He  questioned whether                                                               
those  legislators  were party  to  the  letter or  not,  without                                                               
signatures and said he would ask some of them when he sees them.                                                                
CO-CHAIR WIELECHOWSKI  said that confirmation hearing  is several                                                               
days away  and asked that  if Senator Wagoner finds  out anything                                                               
to please forward that on.                                                                                                      
5:49:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER moved  to forward Mr. Johnson's name  to the full                                                               
body for  consideration. There were  no objections and it  was so                                                               
5:49:47 PM                                                                                                                    
Finding no  further business  to come  before the  committee, Co-                                                               
Chair Wielechowski adjourned the meeting at 5:49 p.m.                                                                           

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Cliff Judkins - Confirmation.pdf SRES 4/13/2009 3:30:00 PM
Brent Johnson - Confirmation.pdf SRES 4/13/2009 3:30:00 PM
Stanley Hoffman - Confirmation.pdf SRES 4/13/2009 3:30:00 PM
HJR 22 - Bill Packet.pdf SRES 4/13/2009 3:30:00 PM
HJR 28 - Bill Packet.pdf SRES 4/13/2009 3:30:00 PM