Legislature(1993 - 1994)

05/02/1994 05:30 PM RES

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                   SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                  
                          May 2, 1993                                          
                           5:30 P.M.                                           
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Senator Mike Miller, Chairman                                                 
 Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chairman                                            
 Senator Steve Frank                                                           
 Senator Drue Pearce                                                           
 Senator Al Adams                                                              
 Senator Dave Donley                                                           
 Senator Fred Zharoff                                                          
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 None                                                                          
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 398(CRA)                                                
 "An Act relating to conveyance of certain land to municipalities."            
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 266(L&C)                                                
 "An Act relating to guide-outfitter and master guide-outfitter                
 licenses; extending the termination date of the Big Game Commercial           
 Services Board; and providing for an effective date."                         
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 448(RES)                                                
 "An Act relating to waste and use of salmon and parts of salmon;              
 relating to permits for and operation of a salmon hatchery; and               
 providing for an effective date."                                             
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 443(RES) am(efd fld)                                    
 "An Act relating to the confidentiality of certain records relating           
 to fish and wildlife."                                                        
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 218(FSH)                                                
 "An Act relating to the maximum length of salmon seine vessels; and           
 providing for an effective date."                                             
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
                                                                               
 HB 398 - See Community & Regional Affairs minutes                             
          dated 3/15/94.  See Resources minutes dated 4/18/94,                 
          and 4/30/94.                                                         
                                                                               
 HB 266 - See Resources minutes dated 4/30/94.                                 
                                                                               
 HB 448 - See Resources minutes dated 4/30/94.                                 
                                                                               
 HB 443 - See Resources minutes dated 4/30/94.                                 
 HB 218 - See Resources minutes dated 4/30/94.                                 
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 Joe Klutsch                                                                   
 Alaska Professional Hunters Association                                       
 P.O. Box 313                                                                  
 King Salmon, Ak.                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported HB 266.                                      
                                                                               
 Carl Luck, Director                                                           
 Occupational Licensing                                                        
 Department of Commerce and Economic Development                               
 P.O. Box 110806                                                               
 Juneau, Ak. 99811-0806                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported HB 266.                                      
                                                                               
 Geron Bruce                                                                   
 Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                            
 P.O. Box 25526                                                                
 Juneau, Ak. 99802                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported HB 448                                       
                                                                               
 Rick Lauber                                                                   
 Pacific Seafood Processors Association                                        
 321 Highland Dr.                                                              
 Juneau, Ak. 99801                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed HB 448.                                        
                                                                               
 Cheryl Sutton, Legislative Aide                                               
 c/o Representative Carl Moses                                                 
 State Capitol                                                                 
 Juneau, Ak. 99801-1182                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Commented on HB 218.                                   
                                                                               
 Kate Troll, Executive Director                                                
 Southeast Alaska Seiners Association                                          
 9226 Long Run                                                                 
 Juneau, Ak. 99801                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported HB 448 and HB 218.                           
                                                                               
 Ray Gillespie                                                                 
 Aquaculture Associations                                                      
 9478 River Wood Ct.                                                           
 Juneau, Ak. 99801                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported HB 448.                                      
                                                                               
 Dean Paddock                                                                  
 Bristol Bay Drift Netters Association                                         
 P.O. Box 20312                                                                
 Juneau, Ak. 99802                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported HB 218.                                      
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-42, SIDE A                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 001                                                                    
 CHAIRMAN MILLER called the Resources Committee meeting to order at            
 5:30 p.m. and announced  HB 398  (LAND CONVEYED TO & FROM                     
 MUNICIPALITIES) to be up for consideration.                                   
                                                                               
 SENATOR PEARCE moved to adopt amendment # 2, Cook, U.4, 5/2/94                
 deleting lines 13 - 15 and inserting new language.  There were no             
 objections and it was adopted.                                                
                                                                               
 SENATOR PEARCE moved SCSHB 398(RES) from committee.  There were no            
 objections and it was so ordered.                                             
 SENATOR MILLER announced  HB 266  (ELIGIBILITY FOR GUIDE-OUTFITTER            
 LICENSE) to be up for consideration.  He said the proposed CS                 
 extends the Board for one more year and requires 8 recommendations            
 and deleted language after that.  There is also a deletion of                 
 insurance requirements.                                                       
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN moved to adopt the CS to HB 266.  There were no                 
 objections and it was so ordered.                                             
                                                                               
 JOE KLUTSCH, Alaska Professional Hunters Association, supported HB
 266.  He said most land owners require some level of insurance.               
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER explained it was a recommendation of the Big Game              
 Guiding Board to do away with the insurance requirement.                      
                                                                               
 CARL LUCK, Director, Occupational Licensing, said the insurance               
 issue was a policy call.  They have no position, because it's                 
 redundant.  In most cases the private land owners and the federal             
 government require insurance.                                                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN moved to pass SCSHB 266(RES) from committee with                
 individual recommendations.  There were no objections and it was so           
 ordered.                                                                      
 SENATOR MILLER announced  HB 448  (WASTE & USE OF SALMON; HATCHERIES)    S)   
 to be up for consideration.                                                   
                                                                               
 GERON BRUCE, Alaska Department of Fish and Game, said the                     
 hatcheries are cited in locations where they will contribute to the           
 common property fishery and where there is a terminal special                 
 harvest area where the hatchery return can be harvested distinct              
 from wild stock.  A majority of the harvest is for cost recovery.             
                                                                               
 This legislation would increase the revenue the associations are              
 earning from their hatchery returns.  Both the public and private             
 sectors have invested a lot of money in this industry.  He said it            
 is important to remember that the salmon that have returned to the            
 terminal area are within a few days of dying.  Whether they are               
 harvested or not, they will die in a short period of time.  It is             
 important to realize we are dealing with hatchery stocks which are            
 not part of the management of sustained yield of the wild stocks.             
                                                                               
 SENATOR ZHAROFF said his concern is that the roe does not become              
 the primary objective.  His proposed letter of intent takes care of           
 that.                                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. BRUCE said they concur with the letter of intent.                         
                                                                               
 Number 278                                                                    
                                                                               
 RICK LAUBER, Pacific Seafood Processors Association, agreed with              
 Mr. Bruce, but he couldn't support this bill.  Alaska has the most            
 outstanding record in the United States regarding wanton waste,               
 particularly regarding roe stripping.                                         
                                                                               
 He said that all of the arguments in favor of this legislation are            
 economic and there are many times that you can make more money by             
 stripping roe and discarding the carcass.  Violation of the basic             
 principals of this state is the reason they oppose wanton waste in            
 any form.                                                                     
                                                                               
 He said the legislature has already helped the aquaculture                    
 associations in other legislation this year.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 347                                                                    
                                                                               
 KATE TROLL, Executive Director, Southeast Alaska Seiners, said they           
 have copy of a letter signed by Petersburg Vessel Owners, Aleutian            
 East Borough, Alaska Crab Coalition, and Alaska Long Line                     
 Fishermen's Association in support of maximizing the value of                 
 salmon and avoiding the waste of surplus salmon roe.  They support            
 the idea, but there are far greater downside implications to HB
 448.  Alaska is well known for its strong wanton waste law and its            
 support of full utilization of fisheries resources.  This position            
 has been instrumental in federal arenas to uphold Alaska's ability            
 to manage and protect both near and offshore fisheries.  HB 448               
 would seriously erode Alaska's credibility.                                   
                                                                               
 This bill would also allow hatcheries and processors to be                    
 accountable to different standards.  This makes it difficult to not           
 allow exceptions for other sectors in the future.                             
                                                                               
 She concluded that they do support SB 251.                                    
                                                                               
 RAY GILLESPIE, representing the four regional aquaculture                     
 associations, said he supported this legislation.  The alternative            
 to a permit system that this bill proposes is to allow the salmon             
 with the valuable roe to rot on the beach.  This legislation                  
 defines very narrow circumstances.  These are hatchery fish,                  
 returning to terminal harvest area, whose flesh has been declared             
 unfit for human consumption.                                                  
                                                                               
 He said they endorse the letter of intent, the purpose of which is            
 to ensure the Commissioner through regulations ensures that there             
 are no other feasible options before he issues a permit and allows            
 the roe to be taken.                                                          
                                                                               
 BILL THOMAS, commercial gill netter, gave a fisherman's perspective           
 and supported this bill.                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS moved Senator Zharoff's letter of intent.  There were           
 no objections and it was so ordered.                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR DONLEY moved amendment # 1.                                           
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE FINKELSTEIN said different charities have received             
 large donations of fish from the aquaculture associations that                
 would otherwise be wasted.  He explained that this amendment makes            
 clear that some runs of a hatchery are covered from liability if              
 they are giving away fish that is considered marginal.                        
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER said amendment # 1 was adopted.                                
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS moved to pass CSHB 448(RES) from committee with                 
 individual recommendations.  There were no objections and it was so           
 ordered.                                                                      
 SENATOR MILLER announced  HB 443  (FISH & WILDLIFE CONFIDENTIAL               
 RECORDS)                                                                      
                                                                               
 DAVE KELLEYHOUSE, Director, Division of Wildlife, said there was              
 one change made on the House floor.                                           
                                                                               
 SENATOR PEARCE moved to pass HB 443 from committee with individual            
 recommendations.  There were no objections and it was so ordered.             
 SENATOR MILLER announced  HB 218  (REPEAL 58 FT. LIMIT FOR SEINE              
 VESSELS) to be up for consideration.                                          
                                                                               
 Number 55                                                                     
                                                                               
 CHERYL SUTTON, Legislative Aide to Representative Moses, said that            
 1958 the legislature passed a law banning the use of seine vessels            
 larger than 58 ft.  HB 218 would remove the requirement from                  
 statute, thus allowing the Board of Fisheries to adopt regulations            
 specifying the length of vessels.                                             
                                                                               
 SENATOR LEMAN said he thought there were some areas of the state              
 that should retain the 58 ft. limit.  He hoped the Board of                   
 Fisheries would agree with that.                                              
                                                                               
 KATE TROLL said she supports this bill, because it puts this                  
 decision in the right policy arena before the Board of Fish.  They            
 would understand the technicalities of Coast Guard changes and                
 definitions.                                                                  
                                                                               
 DEAN PADDOCK, Bristol Bay Drift Netters Association, supported HB
 218.                                                                          
                                                                               
  TAPE 94-42, SIDE B                                                           
                                                                               
  MR. PADDOCK commented briefly on the Board members.                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER said it was his intent to bring this bill up again             
 on Wednesday when he had a quorum and adjourned the meeting at 6:18           
 p.m.                                                                          
                                                                               

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