Legislature(1993 - 1994)

03/16/1994 03:35 PM RES

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                   SENATE RESOURCES COMMITTEE                                  
                         March 16, 1994                                        
                           3:35 P.M.                                           
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
 Senator Mike Miller, Chairman                                                 
 Senator Loren Leman, Vice Chairman                                            
 Senator Steve Frank                                                           
 Senator Drue Pearce                                                           
 Senator Dave Donley                                                           
 Senator Fred Zharoff                                                          
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
 Senator Al Adams                                                              
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
 SENATE BILL NO. 310                                                           
 "An Act relating to the management and sale of state timber;                  
 relating to the classification of state land that would preclude              
 harvesting of timber or would designate harvesting of timber as an            
 incompatible use; relating to the administration of forest land,              
 proposals for state forest, and the determination of sustained                
 yield; and providing for an effective date."                                  
  PREVIOUS ACTION                                                              
 SB 310 - See Resources minutes dated 3/2/94.                                  
  WITNESS REGISTER                                                             
 Tom Dowling                                                                   
 P.O. Box 322                                                                  
 Delta Junction, Ak. 99737                                                     
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Doug Euers                                                                    
 Tok, Ak.                                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Terry Doyle                                                                   
 Tok, Ak.                                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 George Pine                                                                   
 Tok, Ak.                                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Glen Marunde                                                                  
 Tok, Ak.                                                                      
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Steve Gibson                                                                  
 1622 Highland Dr.                                                             
 Homer, Ak. 99603                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Nancy Hillstrand                                                              
 P.O. Box 170                                                                  
 Homer, Ak. 99603                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Nina Faust                                                                    
 Kachemak Bay Conservation Society                                             
 P.O. Box 2994                                                                 
 Homer, Ak. 99603                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Kathy Smith                                                                   
 1193 Cooper Ct.                                                               
 Homer, Ak. 99603                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Winslow Hoffman                                                               
 P.O. Box 1842                                                                 
 Homer, Ak. 99603                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Robert Shumaker                                                               
 P.O. Box 3712                                                                 
 Palmer, Ak. 99645                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Ed Davis, Member                                                              
 Alaska Wilderness Recreation and Tourism Association                          
 P.O. Box 1616                                                                 
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99707                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Caryl Boehnert                                                                
 519 W 8th Ave., #210                                                          
 Anchorage, Ak. 99501.                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 James Mykland                                                                 
 P.O. Box 1241                                                                 
 Cordova, Ak. 99574                                                            
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Karl Becker                                                                   
 P.O. Box 1185                                                                 
 Cordova, Ak. 99574                                                            
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Joe Sebastian                                                                 
 P.O. Box 129                                                                  
 Point Baker, Ak. 99927                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Joan Cowser                                                                   
 Point Baker, Ak. 99927                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Larry Smith                                                                   
 1520 Lakeshore Dr.                                                            
 Homer, Ak. 99603                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:     Opposed SB 310.                                      
 Mark Stahl                                                                    
 Chugach Alaska Corporation                                                    
 560 E 34th, No 200                                                            
 Anchorage, Ak. 99503                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Jim Page, Forester                                                            
 Seward Forest Products                                                        
 560 E 34th, Ste 200                                                           
 Anchorage, Ak. 99503                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Carl Portman, Communication Director                                          
 Resource Development Council of Alaska, Inc.                                  
 121 W Fireweed, No. 250                                                       
 Anchorage, Ak. 99503                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Todd Bureau                                                                   
 7604 Snowview                                                                 
 Anchorage, Ak. 99507                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Jeff Parker                                                                   
 Alaska Sport Fishing Association                                              
 1201 Hyder                                                                    
 Anchorage, Ak. 99501                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Dan Albrecht                                                                  
 Yukon River Drainage Sport Fishing Association                                
 733 W. 4th, # 881                                                             
 Anchorage, Ak. 99501                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Jim Minton                                                                    
 Flathead Lake Property Owners Association                                     
 P.O. Box 190121                                                               
 Anchorage, Ak. 99519                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Grant Hunter                                                                  
 733 W 4th, #153                                                               
 Anchorage, Ak. 99501                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Eruk Williamson                                                               
 12720 Lupine Rd.                                                              
 Anchorage, Ak. 99516                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Loisann Reeder                                                                
 Susitna Valley Association                                                    
 9600 Slalom Dr.                                                               
 Anchorage, Ak. 9956                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Cliff Eames                                                                   
 Alaska Center for the Environment                                             
 519 W 8th, # 201                                                              
 Anchorage, Ak. 99501                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Jim Seely                                                                     
 Redshirt Landowners Association                                               
 4330 Seely Ct.                                                                
 Anchorage, Ak. 99502                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Craig Ketchum, President                                                      
 Ketchum Airservice                                                            
 P.O. Box 190588                                                               
 Anchorage, Ak. 99519                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Roberta Shelvin                                                               
 Talkeetna, Ak.                                                                
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Rick Ernst                                                                    
 Trapper Creek, Ak.                                                            
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Judy Price                                                                    
 Chase, Ak.                                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Greg Machacek                                                                 
 P.O. Box 56245                                                                
 North Pole, Ak. 99705                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Commented on SB 310.                                   
 David Stannard                                                                
 1009 O'Connor                                                                 
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99701                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Susheila Khera                                                                
 1511 Goldenview                                                               
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99709                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Sarah James                                                                   
 Arctic Village, Ak.                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Ron Brooks                                                                    
 Alaska Remote Sensing and Cartographic Services of Alaska                     
 P.O. box 10916                                                                
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99710                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Pamela Webster                                                                
 P.O. Box 70953                                                                
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99707                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Doug Yates                                                                    
 P.O. Box 221                                                                  
 Ester, Ak. 99725                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Richard Hayden                                                                
 470 Canary Lane                                                               
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99709                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Monica Garza                                                                  
 3891 Frenchman Rd.                                                            
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99709                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Larry Paquin                                                                  
 966 Goldmine Tr.                                                              
 Fairbanks, ak. 99712                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Skip Lipscomb                                                                 
 6 Mile Chena Ridge Rd.                                                        
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99709                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Richard Hayes                                                                 
 Fairbanks, Ak.                                                                
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Patty Craw                                                                    
 6041 Sherman Rd.                                                              
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99708                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Oakley Cochran                                                                
 P.O. Box 85071                                                                
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99708                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Keann Tae                                                                     
 2595 College Rd.                                                              
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99709                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Dave Lacey                                                                    
 214 2nd Ave                                                                   
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99701                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Randy Mayo, Chief                                                             
 General Delivery                                                              
 Stevens Village, Ak. 99774                                                    
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
   Steve LaRue                                                                 
 226 Glacier Ave.                                                              
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99708                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 310.                                      
 Steve Pecheck                                                                 
 P.O. Box 80371                                                                
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99708                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Cathy Walling                                                                 
 Fairbanks, Ak.                                                                
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Sean McGuire                                                                  
 351 Cloudberry                                                                
 Fairbanks, Ak. 99709                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Ms. Sullivan                                                                  
 General Delivery                                                              
 Haines, Ak.                                                                   
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Florian Sever                                                                 
 1706 Edgecumbe Dr.                                                            
 Sitka, Ak. 99835                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Mike Puckett                                                                  
 801 Lincoln St.                                                               
 Sitka, Ak. 99835                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Josh Simmons                                                                  
 801 Lincoln St.                                                               
 Sitka, Ak. 99835                                                              
    POSITION STATEMENT:     Opposed SB 10.                                     
   Josh Simmons                                                                
 801 Lincoln St.                                                               
 Sitka, Ak. 99835                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
   Jerry Brookman                                                              
 715 Muir Ave.                                                                 
 Kenai, Ak. 99611                                                              
  POSITION STATEMENT:     Opposed SB 310.                                      
   Dale Bondurant                                                              
 HC1, Box 1197                                                                 
 Soldotna, Ak. 99669                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Byron Bondurant                                                               
 HC l, Box 1258                                                                
 Soldotna, Ak. 99669                                                           
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
  Tom Boutin, Director                                                         
 Division of Forestry                                                          
 Department of Natural Resources                                               
 400 Willoughby Ave.                                                           
 Juneau, Ak. 99801-1724                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Would comment later on the CS to SB 310.               
   Ed Mura                                                                     
 Box 11                                                                        
 Point Baker, Ak. 99927                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Gretchen Goldstein                                                            
 Box PBV                                                                       
 Point Protection, Ak. 99950                                                   
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 Mike Mortell                                                                  
 P.O. Box 53                                                                   
 Point Baker, ak. 99927                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Opposed SB 310.                                        
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
  TAPE 94-20, SIDE A                                                           
 Number 001                                                                    
 CHAIRMAN MILLER called the Resources Committee meeting to order at            
 3:35 p.m. and announced  SB 310  (STATE/PRIVATE/MUNI TIMBER                   
 OPERATION/SALE) to be up for consideration.  He said today the                
 Committee would take testimony and the proposed CS would be ready             
 by next Friday.                                                               
 TOM DOWLING, Delta Junction, said he is a third generation Alaskan.           
 He said SB 310 is the worst bill he has seen in a long time.  The             
 Tanana Forest is not a rapid growth forest and cannot sustain                 
 intensive logging.  He opposed SB 310.                                        
 DOUG EUERS, Tok resident for 45 years, supported SB 310.  He said             
 he was concerned with having jobs in Tok and if the forest had been           
 cut 45 years ago, it would be healthy second growth timber by now.            
 Number 133                                                                    
 TERRY DOYLE, Tok resident for 6 years, agreed that timber harvest             
 has many benefits in addition to timber production, particularly in           
 enhancing wildlife habitat.  However, managed unwisely, timber                
 harvesting has a detrimental effect not only on wildlife, but                 
 eventually on the people who depend on the forest resources.  The             
 effect of SB 310 is to minimize multiple use benefits of the state            
 forests.  It also severely inhibits public input and emphasized               
 timber harvesting over all other uses.                                        
 KATHY O'RIELLY, Tok resident, supported wide use of forest                    
 resources and opposed SB 310.  She said it looked like this bill              
 promotes the timber industry while minimizing the values of other             
 forest resources.                                                             
 GEORGE PINE, Tok sawmill operator for 25 years, stressed the                  
 acceptance of this bill in his area.  He wanted to clarify section            
 3, however, to say that forest management agreements are to be                
 specifically for the harvest and management of hardwoods.                     
 GLEN MARUNDE, Tok resident for 53 years, said he makes his living             
 as a contractor.  He said it is much harder to make a living today            
 than it was in the past.  He supported SB 310, because it would               
 help develop economic based infrastructure while revenues are                 
 Number 227                                                                    
 STEVE GIBSON, Homer resident, said SB 310 would diminish DNR's                
 responsiveness to the many other uses of the woods directly and               
 indirectly.  It directly avoids public comments on the negotiation            
 between state foresters and industry presidents.  He was strongly             
 opposed to SB 310 and didn't think there was any modification that            
 would rehabilitate it.                                                        
 NANCY HILLSTRAND, Homer, said her corporation just celebrated the             
 anniversary of their 30th year.  She was strongly opposed to SB               
 310, because it limits the public process.  She said land in Alaska           
 belongs to Alaskans.  SB 310 is careless management.  Resources               
 must be managed for the long run benefit of the people as a whole             
 or a public trust.  It should not be subverted through the                    
 indifference or greed of future generations.                                  
 NINA FAUST, Kachemak Bay Conservation Society, said they were                 
 shocked by SB 310.  It locks the public out of participation in the           
 process of managing its most valuable renewable resource, timber.             
 It makes timber extraction the primary use on all state forest                
 lands greater than 640 acres.  Timber extraction is not compatible            
 with all other forest uses.  Concentrating on small scale timber              
 operations would be far more beneficial to the long term economic             
 MS. FAUST said they were also concerned that the Commissioner of              
 DNR would be authorized to negotiate long term contracts with big             
 term companies for up to 20 years with 20 year extensions.  They              
 are opposed to long term timber contracts.                                    
 There is no public oversight of any of the timber harvesting.                 
 Forest management agreements would be negotiated with no public               
 knowledge or comment until after a tentative agreement with DNR and           
 the timber company had been reached.                                          
 SB 310 is directly contrary to the public's desire for more public            
 notice and opportunity to participate in oil and gas issues, MS.              
 FAUST said.  Timber extraction on state lands has a potential to              
 impact joint private property, as well as other adjoining federal             
 and private lands.  The state should under no circumstances have              
 legislation that restricts the public right to participate in the             
 oversight of the disposal or sale of public resources.                        
 Number 355                                                                    
 KATHY SMITH, Homer, opposed SB 310.  She said this is not just an             
 interior Alaska issue.  The bill is too bad to be amended in any              
 WINSLOW HOFFMAN, Homer resident, was completely opposed to SB 310.            
 There is nothing redeeming about it, he said.  There wasn't any               
 reason to even go on with a committee substitute.                             
 Number 375                                                                    
 ROBERT SHUMAKER, Chairman for the Mat-Su Borough Agricultural and             
 Forestry Board, said the Mat-Su Borough Assembly recently realized            
 that the value of the timber isn't being sustained and came up with           
 something similar to what this bill is.                                       
 ED DAVIS, Member, Alaska Wilderness, Recreation and Tourism                   
 Association, said this organization includes over 220 businesses              
 and 100 recreational users whose livelihoods and lifestyles depend            
 on the remote and wild character of Alaska.  He said that Alaska's            
 forests can sustain a small scale timber industry, but SB 310 would           
 manage our prime forest lands for the exclusive use of large scale            
 corporate clear cutting interests.  These lands must also be                  
 managed to sustain the tourism and recreation industries along with           
 fishing, trapping, hunting, subsistence, and a small scale timber             
 Number 443                                                                    
 CARYL BOEHNERT, Anchorage, opposed SB 310.  She said this bill                
 hurts just about everyone except large timber companies.  She did             
 not think long term timber contracts were a gift economically to              
 the rest of Alaska.                                                           
 JAMES MYKLAND, Cordova fisherman for 18 years, opposed SB 310,                
 because it would make timber cutting the dominant use on most state           
 lands.  This bill cuts out the Forest Practices Act and takes the             
 public completely out of the picture.                                         
 KARL BECKER, Prince William Sound Conservation Alliance, opposed SB           
 310, because it subverts the public process by eliminating public             
 involvement in the management of state lands and places timber                
 harvest above all other uses.  The current Forest Practices Act               
 provides minimum protections for forest habitats and anadromous               
 waters.  Passage of SB 310 would ruin the Forest Practices Act                
 JOE SEBASTIAN, Point Baker resident, opposed SB 310 as a jobs bill.           
 This is the wrong way to create jobs.  He said SB 310 would impose            
 a DNR dictatorship on the citizens of Alaska.  It will remove the             
 existing democratic checks and balances that are for the protection           
 of the state and its citizens from bureaucratic bungling.                     
 MR. SEBASTIAN said the legislators were elected to uphold the laws            
 of the state, to protect the people of the state from fraud, from             
 graft, and from corruption.  Yet, SB 310 imposes all of that and              
 more on the people of Alaska.                                                 
 Number 519                                                                    
 JOAN COWSER, Point Baker, opposed SB 310, because it's a blueprint            
 to repeat all the bad mistakes that have occurred on forest land.             
 Long term contracts are not conducive to responsible forest                   
 management for sustainable economic development.  The interests of            
 a select handful of corporations and their politicians are the only           
 ones to be served by this bill, she said.  SB 310 exemplifies, in             
 an extremely underhanded fashion, misuse of public office to                  
 further a private agenda while trampling over the best interests of           
 LARRY SMITH, Anchorage, opposed SB 310, because it subordinated all           
 other existing value added uses of the forest to large scale timber           
 scales.  He asked the state to stop holding low cost timber sales             
 citing the Spruce Bark Beetle cutting and the University of Alaska            
 timber sale.  He thought they not only needed to consider the value           
 of timber at the time, but the value of the contingent resources              
 like fishing and recreation.                                                  
  TAPE 94-20, SIDE B                                                           
  Number 580                                                                   
 MARK STAHL, Chugach Alaska Corporation, said the Chugach lands are            
 not currently being managed in a professional manner by the DNR.              
 If SB 310 is passed, this situation will be rectified.  He said SB            
 310 would be a very important management tool for DNR to have                 
 emergency timber sales to swiftly treat forest areas under imminent           
 threat by infectious disease.  Another important tool is the                  
 ability of the Department to enter into Forest Management                     
 Agreements whereby the state can augment its own capabilities by              
 utilizing the land management skills of those professional                    
 individuals working for private industry.  He believed SB 310 would           
 lead to healthier forest ecosystems throughout the states, as well            
 as increase activity in rural Alaska.                                         
 JIM PAGE, Forester, Seward Forest Products, said he spent 20 years            
 working in and observing the forest industry in the Rocky                     
 Mountains, Southeast Alaska, interior Alaska, Canada, and Sweden.             
 He has first hand experience with FMAs that work in Canada.  He               
 said SB 310 is important to the people of Alaska.  Proper                     
 management of the state's resources is of great interest to                   
 everyone.  The concepts embodied in this bill have been successful            
 in Canada for managing most of the forest resource and the fish and           
 wildlife populations.  It has provided jobs and encouraged capital            
 investment and produced a product that is used locally and can be             
 exported as well.                                                             
 He said it is essential to the state that there is a continuous               
 planned supply of timber for companies such as SFP which employees            
 76 people with an annual payroll of $3 million.  SFP supports some            
 190 secondary industries in southcentral Alaska.                              
 The FMA concept can be used most beneficially on the Kenai, in                
 Fairbanks, and in the Delta region.                                           
 CARL PORTMAN, Resource Development Council for Alaska, Inc.,                  
 supported SB 310, because it would encourage reasonable timber                
 harvest and create long term jobs in the forest industry.  The FMA            
 concept is an idea whose time has come, he said.                              
 MR. PORTMAN supported SB 310, because it would provide a long term            
 stable supply of timber which is critical to timber development.              
 Timber is a renewable resource.  Cutting trees is not an                      
 environmental crime.  With most of the federal lands being closed             
 to logging, most future development will occur on state lands and             
 FMAs offer a real opportunity for sustainable development to local            
 KEN FREEMAN, Anchorage resident, supported SB 310, because it                 
 encouraged reasonable responsible timber development and creates              
 long term high paying jobs for Alaskans in the forest industry.               
 FMAs would provide incentive for the entire industry to invest in             
 forest harvest management and local manufacture facilities.                   
 TODD BUREAU, Director, Adventure Alaska, opposed SB 310.  He says             
 it is for the short term profit of a single industry, and only                
 large scale timber operators, at that.  It skips over the public              
 review over a resource that in many ways defines what it is to be             
 an Alaskan.                                                                   
 JEFF PARKER, Alaska Sport Fishing Association, opposed SB 310.                
 They concur with the letter from the Anchorage Fish and Game                  
 Advisory Committee.  The increased access to timber harvest                   
 activities inevitably increases pressure, first, on sensitive                 
 stocks of fish and wildlife.                                                  
 DAN ALBRECHT, Executive Director, Yukon River Drainage Fisheries              
 Association, said the fishermen are very concerned about this bill.           
 The first concern is with the gutting of the public process and               
 saying that multiple use management no longer counts.                         
 He said he has heard that the problem is beetles which, he                    
 realized, was a legitimate concern, but there should be a separate            
 bill to deal with that and not gut the whole Forest Practices Act.            
 MR. ALBRECHT asked why they can't just work through the existing              
 Tanana Valley management plans?                                               
 Number 374                                                                    
 JIM MINTON, Flathead Lake Property Owners Association, said he had            
 been involved in the public process to develop the Forest Practices           
 Act which was recently enacted.  It was approved by logging                   
 entities, DNR, and the environmental organizations.  He asked them            
 to not throw those years of work out the window.  He said that FMAs           
 have been documented as not being wanted here.                                
 GRANT HUNTER, Anchorage resident, opposed SB 310.  He said people             
 are not going to come up and go hunting and fishing in a wasteland.           
 SB 310 subverts the public process.  We would also lose the future            
 value of the timber because it would be locked up in 20 year                  
 contracts.  He said there is no reason to think that companies will           
 be in business in the future and have the desire to reforest.                 
 DANA WAGNER, Anchorage resident, opposed SB 310.  He said it was              
 another clear cut disaster to give timber harvest priority use on             
 all state lands.  He pointed out the Point McKenzie Dairy disaster            
 which is still being subsidized by the people of Alaska as being              
 one example of a state approved clear cut disaster.                           
 ERUK WILLIAMSON, Anchorage Fish and Game Advisory Committee,                  
 opposed SB 310, because it undermines the current multiple use                
 practices on state forested lands.  Several sections of this bill             
 would be detrimental to habitat and the stocks of our state's fish            
 and game resources.  Section 4 eliminates the existing authority of           
 the Commissioner of DNR to classify lands greater than 640 acres as           
 closed to timber sale and provides that only the legislature can              
 institute such closures.  Section 6, the reforestation requirement,           
 would favor non-indigenous trees over native stocks and in many               
 instances could negatively impact fish and game species.  Section             
 11 revises the purposes of designated state forests to make them              
 more commercially oriented.  Section 12 requires DNR to allow, to             
 the fullest extent possible, access to and use of natural resources           
 which would eliminate the Department's authority to restrict access           
 for injured fish and game habitat.                                            
 Number 200                                                                    
 LOISANN REEDER, Susitna Valley Association, opposed SB 310.  She              
 said over 90% of the Fairbanks public does not support large scale            
 logging on public lands.  The public will support small scale                 
 timber harvesting, but only if done in a responsible manner, with             
 adequate public process and oversite.  SB 310 makes timber                    
 harvesting a priority use of the land closing the door on other               
 forest uses and values that are more important economically and               
 culturally than logging.                                                      
 The moderator said that MARY GRISCO, Sierra Club, had to return to            
 work, but wanted to speak in opposition to the bill.                          
 CLIFF EAMES, Alaska Center for the Environment, said this bill                
 would have very substantial adverse affects on the vast majority of           
 Alaska's public.  It gives preference to a small minority of                  
 loggers over all others.  Forest Management Agreements are a                  
 terrible idea, he also stated.  Anything close to a 20 year period            
 is far too long to enable them to accommodate economic changes or             
 changes in public desires concerning preferred uses of public                 
 JIM SEELEY, Redshirt Landowners Association, opposed SB 310,                  
 supporting the remarks made by Loisann Reeder.  After years of work           
 the Susitna Forest Guideline was established by consensus which the           
 Commissioner did sign off on.  SB 310 seems to gut the entire                 
 process that they went through in devising these guidelines.  He              
 said the people have not all of a sudden changed their minds.                 
 CRAIG KETCHUM, President, Ketchum Airservice, said his family makes           
 a living in many different ways with tourism, fishing, hunting,               
 etc.  He opposed SB 310.  He said the southcentral Alaska should              
 support the tourism industry.  It should look like the last                   
 frontier and there should be some fish left to catch.                         
 JOHN HALL, Professional Forester, supported SB 310.  He is a member           
 of many conservation associations as well.  He said this is good              
 legislation, but, unfortunately, there is a reaction to mistakes              
 made in the Susitna Forest sale.  He said there are very few                  
 instances where good forestry timber harvest has damaged the                  
 habitat of any salmon streams.                                                
 ROBERTA SHELVIN, Talkeetna, said her business is dependent on the             
 recreational and tourism industry.  She opposed SB 310.                       
  TAPE 94-21, SIDE A                                                           
  Number 001                                                                   
 SB 310 gives priority to large scale logging at the cost of other             
 important uses.  It also circumvents or even eliminates public                
 review and input.  There will be negative impacts on all of Alaska.           
 RICK ERNST, Trapper Creek, opposed SB 310.  He said the Matsu                 
 Assembly passed a resolution against use of FMAs.  SB 310 makes               
 development of commercial forest land the primary goal of state               
 forestry management which we don't need.  We need a multi use                 
 approach to forest management.  Up to 90% of the general public is            
 opposed to big timber companies logging in the valley.                        
 JUDY PRICE, Chase area resident, opposed SB 310.  She lives in the            
 bush and her subsistence depends on the health of the forest.  As             
 a commercial fisherman, she depends on the health of the rivers and           
 spawning streams.  These areas are not considered priority by the             
 timber companies.  Long term needs of the people of Alaska will be            
 sacrificed for short term profits.  This is exactly the myopic                
 approach to resource management that has turned the forests in the            
 lower 48 into one dimensional tree farms.  This is not what we want           
 for Alaska.                                                                   
 Number 110                                                                    
 PAUL BRACKEN, Talkeetna, opposed SB 310 and urged them to reject              
 any future FMA proposals.                                                     
 GREG MAHACEK, North Pole resident, said his main concern was to               
 insure multiple use of all the land.  He said there are too many              
 restrictions to multiple use like parks and wilderness.  This bill            
 was written in answer to obstructionists that drag on the public              
 process or to make sure that logging remains a compatible multiple            
 use industry.                                                                 
 DAVID STANNARD, Fairbanks, said he didn't think the legislature               
 understood the importance of micro-economics and its relation to a            
 sustainable and long term economy.                                            
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 SUSHEILA KHERA, Fairbanks, opposed SB 310, because it favors large            
 scale logging by large corporations.  The state forests should be             
 used for multiple uses, including small scale logging operations.             
 ROBERT STEPHENSON, Fairbanks, said he has logged in the past and              
 knows it's difficult to make a living that way.  If we are going to           
 develop a management plan, we should insure that small mills and              
 commercial fire wood cutters have adequate access to timber.                  
 Encouraging large corporations to log our forests is not beneficial           
 to the residents of Fairbanks or to the small time operators who              
 will utilize the forest products.                                             
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 SARAH JAMES, Arctic Village, said she learned to protect the                  
 environment so it would take care of us.  She said our lives depend           
 on the forests.  She opposed SB 310 with long term large scale                
 logging and no public input, especially from the indigenous people            
 of Alaska.                                                                    
 RON BROOKS, Alaska Rural Sensing and Cartographic Services,                   
 supported SB 310.  They are internationally promoting the                     
 commercial development of Sunlight Data Acquisitions in the                   
 Fairbanks area and thirteen other companies have expressed their              
 interest in locating data acquisition ground stations near                    
 Fairbanks.  This has the potential of bringing in millions of                 
 dollars of new construction and hundreds of long term technical               
 jobs in satellite data acquisition.  The primary reason Fairbanks             
 is being considered over other polar areas is that Alaska business            
 is expected to be significant user of satellite mapping technology.           
 MR. BROOKS said if SB 310 is not approved, the satellite companies            
 will look elsewhere.                                                          
 PAMELA WEBSTER, Fairbanks resident, opposed SB 310.  The primary              
 use in the Tanana Valley Forest should not be large scale logging.            
 The state of Alaska will have to subsidize roads to the proposed              
 logging areas and who knows what else.  The ultimate loss would not           
 be worth the short term gain.                                                 
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 DOUG YATES, Fairbanks, opposed SB 310.  He said Senator Frank has             
 promoted it as a job creation bill, but it will create jobs and               
 destroy existing ones and promote the boom and bust cycles.  He               
 would prefer to see the time and tax money that has been spent                
 promoting SB 310 redirected toward reconciling the goals of                   
 economic vitality and environmental stewardship in the regions of             
 the Tanana Basin.                                                             
 RICHARD HAYDEN, Fairbanks, opposed SB 310.  He said he had been a             
 log cutter and long term large scale logging is not compatible with           
 the natural system.                                                           
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 MONICA GARZA, Fairbanks, opposed SB 310, because it favors harvest            
 of timber above all other uses.  We should be looking at industries           
 that will develop our future.                                                 
 LARRY PAQUIN, 22 year resident of Alaska, opposed SB 310, because             
 it limits public input and favors special large scale timber                  
 SKIP LIPSCOMB, Fairbanks, said his family was going on its fifth              
 decade in the area.  He opposed SB 310 as a slap in the face of the           
 people of Alaska.  It cuts them totally out of the picture.  It               
 favors large scale special interest timber cutting.                           
 RICHARD HAYES strongly opposed SB 310, because large scale timber             
 harvesting is incompatible with wilderness values.  Higher                    
 priorities should be given to subsistence, hunting, fishing, and              
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 PATTY CRAW, Fairbanks, opposed SB 310, because it is full of                  
 ambiguous language and favors big timber interests.  It does away             
 with public opinions.                                                         
 OAKLEY COCHRAN, Fairbanks landowner, opposed SB 310, because it               
 virtually eliminates due public process.                                      
 KEANN TAE, Fairbanks, opposed SB 310, because it eliminates the               
 public process and puts large scale commercial logging ahead of               
 multiple sustainable uses.  Twenty year contracts are far to long             
 to practice sustainable responsible logging.                                  
 DAVE LACEY, Fairbanks, said he works in the tourism industry and              
 urged the Committee to scrap SB 310, because of its impacts on that           
 industry.  He said they need to support the economic development              
 that's going on right now rather than try to bring in a bunch of              
 outsiders to try to take their jobs away.                                     
 RANDY MAYO, Chief, Stephens Village Council, strongly opposed SB              
 310 for all of the reasons stated.  He said the bill is short                 
 sighted and will leave nothing for their children and grand                   
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 STEVE LARUE, Fairbanks, said he worked on the original Tanana                 
 Valley State Forest bill.  It was an excellent bill of compromise.            
 There was a great deal of effort put into the bill, and there was             
 much agreement.  Then in 1990 the Forest Practices Act came through           
 and took away all that negotiating.  Multiple use includes forest             
 products and using the timber in the forest.  He supported SB 310             
 partially, because it replaces original language from the Tanana              
 State Forest bill.  He said that all the trees that were cut for              
 river boats long ago have totally come back and also that a young             
 forest produces more oxygen than old growth forest.                           
 STEVE PECHECK, Fairbanks resident for 20 years, supported small               
 scale logging, not give aways to large enterprises.                           
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 He reminded the Committee to measure economic gain against economic           
 drain by remembering three large state driven projects:  the Delta            
 barley project, Point McKenzie, and the Tanana Valley State Forest.           
 CATHY WALLING, Fairbanks, opposed SB 310.  She was shocked that our           
 present knowledge, insight, and wisdom could not produce a better             
 overall sustainable plan marked with stewardship and land                     
 management.  It frustrates her to know the public process has been            
 cut out and legislators are not hearing the vast outcry from people           
 all through the state who are opposed to large scale timber                   
 SEAN MCGUIRE, Fairbanks, said all you have to do is look at what              
 happened in the Pacific Northwest.  Look what happens when large              
 scale companies come in with long term contracts.  The same is true           
 of the Tongass.  He surmised that a survey of Senator Frank's                 
 district would probably show 90% opposed to large scale logging.              
 So he couldn't understand why he was pushing large scale logging.             
 MS. SULLIVAN, Haines, opposed SB 310.  She thought it did a great             
 disservice to the logging industry.                                           
 FLORIAN SEVER, Sitka resident, opposed SB 310, because it is a sad            
 and shameful example of state government's addiction to abuse of              
 our state's timber resources.  This represents just another timber            
 grab, he said.                                                                
 MICHAEL PUCKETT, Sitka resident, strongly opposed SB 310.  Section            
 1, line 1 should state "best interests of the land" not "the                  
 JOSH SIMMONS, Sitka, said responsible timber extraction is an                 
 oxymoron.  He said clear cutting will kill their forests and its              
 wealth of life.                                                               
 JERRY BROOKMAN, Kenai, said he was not opposed to logging provided            
 it's done properly.  But it is hard to look 20 years into the                 
 future.  5 years is more reasonable.  He prefers the present system           
 and sees nothing in SB 310 that improves it.                                  
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 DALE BONDURANT, Soldotna, opposed SB 310, because it expands on               
 timber profits at the expense of water, fish, and wildlife                    
 BYRON BONDURANT, Soldotna, said he is a retired engineer and                  
 educator, spending many years in international development.  He               
 said SB 310 is seriously flawed in concept and content.  Any bill             
 having to do with the resources of the state should say "interests            
 of the people of the state."  He is particularly concerned with               
 this legislation that keeps negotiations secret, makes the state              
 supreme, and smacks of socialism which was the first example of the           
 rise of nazism and fascism in Europe.  He thought a better title              
 for this bill would be "A provision for establishing commercial               
 limited entry of yet another of our resources in this state:                  
 TOM BOUTIN, Director, Division of Forestry, said he would comment             
 at a later meeting when the CS was ready.                                     
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 ED MURA, Point Baker, opposed SB 310, because it seems incredibly             
 short sighted.  It looks like sweetheart deals in the guise of 20             
 year timber contracts.  He said there is chronic mismanagement of             
 timber resources.                                                             
 GRETCHEN GOLDSTEIN, Point Protection, opposed SB 310, because of              
 the 20 year contracts and clear cut logging.  It would negate the             
 public effort put into the Forest Practices Act.  It does not have            
 meaningful public input.  Turning state forests into merchantable             
 timber destroys habitat and is the single largest environmental               
 problem on earth.  SB 310 makes commercial development the primary            
 purpose of the state forest.  Large scale timber harvest is                   
 incompatible with subsistence use or a commercial fishery.  Alaska            
 has wildness.  Long term contracts  with no public review is not in           
 the public interest in the present or the future.                             
 MIKE MORTELL, Point Baker, opposed SB 310, because long term                  
 contracts don't work here.  This bill will probably cause more                
 expense than anything else with the loss to the little communities.           
 SENATOR MILLER thanked everyone for their participation and                   
 adjourned the meeting at 6:24 p.m.                                            

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