04/02/2025 01:30 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE
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| SB132 | |
| SB133 | |
| SB4 | |
| Adjourn | 
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| += | SB 133 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
          SENATE LABOR AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                        
                         April 2, 2025                                                                                          
                           1:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Jesse Bjorkman, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Kelly Merrick, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                                                                       
Senator Forrest Dunbar                                                                                                          
Senator Robert Yundt                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 132                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to insurance; and providing for an effective                                                                   
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 133                                                                                                             
"An  Act relating  to prior  authorization  requests for  medical                                                               
care  covered by  a  health  care insurer;  relating  to a  prior                                                               
authorization  application  programming  interface;  relating  to                                                               
step therapy; and providing for an effective date."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 133(L&C) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 4                                                                                                               
"An Act relating to a health care insurance policy incentive                                                                    
program; relating to health care services; and providing for an                                                                 
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 132                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: OMNIBUS INSURANCE BILL                                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/14/25       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/14/25       (S)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
03/19/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/19/25       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/19/25       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/26/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/26/25       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/26/25       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
04/02/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 133                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: INSURANCE; PRIOR AUTHORIZATIONS                                                                                    
SPONSOR(s): LABOR & COMMERCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
03/17/25       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/17/25       (S)       L&C, FIN                                                                                               
03/19/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/19/25       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/19/25       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
03/26/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/26/25       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/26/25       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
04/02/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB   4                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HEALTH CARE PRICES AND INCENTIVE PROGRAMS                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): HUGHES                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
01/10/25       (S)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/10/25                                                                               
01/22/25       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/22/25       (S)       L&C, HSS                                                                                               
03/21/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/21/25       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/21/25       (S)       MINUTE(L&C)                                                                                            
04/02/25       (S)       L&C AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KONRAD JACKSON, Staff                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented a brief recap of SB 132.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
LORI WING-HEIER, Director                                                                                                       
Division of Insurance                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions relating to SB 132.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KONRAD JACKSON, Staff                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented a brief recap of SB 133.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KONRAD JACKSON, Staff                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Offered an explanation of Amendment 1 to SB
133.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR SHELLEY HUGHES, District M                                                                                              
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 28.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ELEILIA PRESTON, Staff                                                                                                          
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided the sectional analysis for SB 4.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
JOSH ARCHAMBAULT, Senior Fellow                                                                                                 
Cicero Action                                                                                                                   
Austin, Texas                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified by invitation on SB 4.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LORI WING-HEIER, Director                                                                                                       
Division of Insurance                                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions relating to SB 4.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:31:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN called  the Senate  Labor  and Commerce  Standing                                                               
Committee meeting  to order at 1:31  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order  were Senators  Merrick,  Gray-Jackson,  Dunbar, Yundt  and                                                               
Chair Bjorkman.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                 SB 132-OMNIBUS INSURANCE BILL                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:32:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN announced  the consideration  of SENATE  BILL NO.                                                               
132  "An  Act  relating  to   insurance;  and  providing  for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:33:29 PM                                                                                                                    
KONRAD  JACKSON,  Staff,  Senator Jesse  Bjorkman,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau,  Alaska, presented a  brief recap of  SB 132                                                               
and stated  that this legislation  is the omnibus  insurance bill                                                               
that  updates   Title  21:  Insurance  Statutes.   SB  132  makes                                                               
technical  changes  to  align with  revisions  to  the  insurance                                                               
industry  terminology, adopt  National  Association of  Insurance                                                               
Commissioners  (NAIC)  model  laws,  and  refresh  references  to                                                               
federal statutes.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:35:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked how the  proposed Owner Controlled Insurance                                                               
Program (OCIP) changes would benefit  the market, specifically in                                                               
lowering  limits,  and  what  the  current  capacity  and  needed                                                               
adjustments   to  ensure   multi-dwelling  projects   can  obtain                                                               
insurance.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:36:09 PM                                                                                                                    
LORI  WING-HEIER,  Director,  Division of  Insurance,  Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska, answered  questions relating to  SB 132 and  replied that                                                               
Owner-Controlled  and  Contractor-Controlled  Insurance  Programs                                                               
(OCIPs/CCIPs)  are   similar,  with  the  difference   being  who                                                               
purchases  the  insurance.  She said  these  programs  cover  all                                                               
insurance on large projects,  providing workers' compensation and                                                               
liability  insurance for  the project  site during  construction.                                                               
She  said  benefits  include avoiding  subrogation  disputes  and                                                               
reducing markups in contractor bids.  Examples include the Trans-                                                               
Alaska Pipeline System  (TAPS) and airport projects.  She said in                                                               
the  current   hard  insurance  market,  some   sponsors  propose                                                               
allowing  OCIPs/CCIPs for  multi-residential projects  with a  $5                                                               
million threshold.  The division  sees some  merit but  argues $5                                                               
million is  too low.  At the $5  million threshold,  projects may                                                               
not  qualify as  "major construction,"  and shifting  payroll and                                                               
revenue into  the large  projects there  won't be  much available                                                               
premium for  insurers, leaving little incentive  to cover smaller                                                               
contractors. She said  she was concerned that a  $5 million limit                                                               
may  distort  the market,  though  a  higher threshold  might  be                                                               
reasonable.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:38:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  YUNDT asked  if  the  $5 million  is  the  value of  the                                                               
project or the amount in payroll.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:39:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER replied  that  $5  million is  the  value of  the                                                               
project, which is a multi-residential 5 unit project.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR YUNDT replied that is a small number.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER expressed her agreement.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:40:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN  [resumed public testimony  from March  26, 2025];                                                               
finding none, he closed public testimony on SB 132.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:40:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN held SB 132 in committee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:40:39 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
             SB 133-INSURANCE; PRIOR AUTHORIZATIONS                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:42:51 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   BJORKMAN    reconvened   the   meeting    announced   the                                                               
consideration of  SENATE BILL NO.  133 "An Act relating  to prior                                                               
authorization requests for medical care  covered by a health care                                                               
insurer;   relating   to   a  prior   authorization   application                                                               
programming interface;  relating to  step therapy;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:43:28 PM                                                                                                                    
KONRAD  JACKSON,  Staff,  Senator Jesse  Bjorkman,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau,  Alaska, presented a  brief recap of  SB 133                                                               
and  stated  that this  bill  addresses  the prior  authorization                                                               
process  for   medical  care   covered  by   insurers.  Developed                                                               
collaboratively by  providers, regulators,  and insurers,  SB 133                                                               
sets  clear timelines,  communication requirements,  and promotes                                                               
electronic submissions via  insurer portals. He said  SB 133 also                                                               
authorizes  the   Division  of  Insurance  director   to  oversee                                                               
compliance and enforcement.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:48 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN opened  public testimony on SB  133; finding none,                                                               
he closed public testimony.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:45:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MERRICK  moved to  adopt  Amendment  1, work  order  34-                                                               
LS0470\N.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                 34-LS0470\N.1                                                                  
                                                      Wallace                                                                   
                                                      3/26/25                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                      A M E N D M E N T 1                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR BJORKMAN                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          TO:  SB 133                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 4, lines 11 - 13:                                                                                                     
          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 9, lines 24 - 26:                                                                                                     
          Delete "or a requirement that a covered person or                                                                     
       health care provider notify a health care insurer                                                                        
     before receiving or providing medical care"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:45:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:45:47 PM                                                                                                                    
KONRAD  JACKSON,  Staff,  Senator Jesse  Bjorkman,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, offered  an explanation of Amendment                                                               
1 to SB  133 and stated that the amendment  makes two corrections                                                               
to the bill:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
-Section AS 21.07.110 (page 4,  lines 1113):  Deletes language to                                                               
clarify insurer website  transparency requirements. Insurers must                                                               
post only  current prior authorization procedures  with effective                                                               
dates, not outdated ones.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
-Page   9,  lines   2426:   Revises   the  definition   of  prior                                                               
authorization  to  fix  a  drafting  error  and  align  with  the                                                               
definition agreed upon by stakeholders.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:47:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN removed his objection.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:47:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN  found no  further objection  and Amendment  1 was                                                               
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN solicited the will of the committee.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:47:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MERRICK moved to report SB 133, work order 34-LS0470\N.                                                                 
as amended,  from committee  with individual  recommendations and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN found no objection  and CSSB 133(L&C) was reported                                                               
from the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:48:22 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        SB   4-HEALTH CARE PRICES AND INCENTIVE PROGRAMS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:54:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN   reconvened  the   meeting  and   announced  the                                                               
consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 4 "An Act relating  to a health                                                               
care insurance policy incentive  program; relating to health care                                                               
services; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:55:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  SHELLEY HUGHES,  District M,  Alaska State  Legislature,                                                               
Juneau,  Alaska,  sponsor   of  SB  28  said   the  bill  creates                                                               
incentives for  Alaskans to  shop for health  care using  a price                                                               
comparison  tool.   She  said  when  patients   choose  providers                                                               
charging  less than  the average  price, the  savings are  shared                                                               
between the  patient, employer, and  insurer. With  Alaska's high                                                               
health care costs impacting school  districts, state budgets, and                                                               
families,  SB 4  aims  to  free up  dollars  and help  households                                                               
reduce   expenses,  especially   important  amid   inflation  and                                                               
declining PFDs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:57:14 PM                                                                                                                    
ELEILIA  PRESTON, Staff,  Senator  Shelley  Hughes, Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, provided  the sectional analysis for                                                               
SB 4:                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
           SB 4 Incentive Program Sectional Analysis                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1  Page 1, lines 4 through line 7                                                                              
     Adds Alaska  Health Care Consumer's  Right to  Shop Act                                                                    
     as a new section to the  uncodified law of the State of                                                                    
     Alaska.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:57:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON continued with the section analysis:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2 -  AS 21.06.110- Page 1, line  8 through Page                                                                
     2, line 28                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Adds  healthcare  insurance  incentive program  to  the                                                                    
     list of items  to be included in  the director's annual                                                                    
     report.                                                                                                                    
        (1) -  (4): Mandates reporting on  insurer statuses,                                                                    
        including    financial    summaries,   actions    on                                                                    
        certificates,    delinquency     proceedings,    and                                                                    
        examinations of rating organizations.                                                                                   
        (5): Requires  a breakdown of receipts  and expenses                                                                    
        within the Division of Insurance.                                                                                       
        (6):    Includes   director    recommendations   for                                                                    
        statutory changes to insurance laws.                                                                                    
        (7):  Reports on health  insurance market  trends by                                                                    
        tracking policies sold and terminated.                                                                                  
        (8):  Includes a  percentage of  health claims  that                                                                    
        meet  existing statutory standards  (AS 21.36.495(a)                                                                    
        and (d)).                                                                                                               
        (9):  Details  contributions   and  credits  claimed                                                                    
        under  AS 21.96.070, a  section relevant  to insurer                                                                    
        contributions to public healthcare programs.                                                                            
        (10): Reports  public comments and  division efforts                                                                    
        to   maintain  access   to  health   insurance  rate                                                                    
        filings.   (11):  Mandates   an  incentive   program                                                                    
        report,  covering  the   scope  and  impact  of  the                                                                    
        consumer   shopping   incentives  outlined   in   AS                                                                    
        21.96.260.                                                                                                              
        (12):   Allows   for  additional   information   the                                                                    
        director considers pertinent.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3 - AS 21.36.100-  Page 2, line 29 through Page                                                                
     3, line 14                                                                                                             
     Clarifies  that the  incentives offered  under the  new                                                                    
     "Right  to Shop"  program,  AS  21.96.220, are  legally                                                                    
     permissible  and  not  classified as  unlawful  rebates                                                                    
     under Alaska's existing insurance laws.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:59:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON continued with the section analysis:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4 -  AS 21.96- Page 3, line 15  through Page 6,                                                                
     line 10  Adds a new  section to AS 21.96  outlining the                                                                
     requirements for  a consumer incentive  program, aiming                                                                    
     to   make  healthcare   costs   more  predictable   and                                                                    
     affordable  by offering  monetary rewards  to consumers                                                                    
     who select cost-effective healthcare providers.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 21.96.210 A  healthcare insurer shall establish                                                                
        an  interactive  online  tool so  that  the  covered                                                                    
        person may request  and obtain information about the                                                                    
        amount paid for  specific healthcare services by the                                                                    
        insurance  company to  the in-network  providers and                                                                    
        be able  to compare prices among  network healthcare                                                                    
        providers.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 21.96.220                                                                                                      
        (a) The  healthcare insurance company  shall develop                                                                    
        and  implement an  incentive program  for a  covered                                                                    
        person  who  elects  to  receive a  service  from  a                                                                    
        provider  that  charges less  than  the average  in-                                                                    
        network  price  paid by  the  insurer  for the  same                                                                    
        service.                                                                                                                
        (b) An  incentive shall be provided  by an insurance                                                                    
        carrier   who  offers  a   policy  in  a   group  or                                                                    
        individual market  to a covered person  for choosing                                                                    
        a  service from  a provider  that charges  less than                                                                    
        the average  in-network price by way of  a flat rate                                                                    
        or  a percentage  of  cost savings  unless the  cost                                                                    
        saved by the insured is less than $200.                                                                                 
        (c) An  incentive shall be provided  by an insurance                                                                    
        carrier who  provides coverage under a  group health                                                                    
        care insurance policy offered  by an employer in the                                                                    
        amount  of 33.4 percent  of the  costs saved  by the                                                                    
        insurer resulting  from a covered  person's election                                                                    
        to  receive a  health care  service from  a provider                                                                    
        who charges  less than the median  of the contracted                                                                    
        rates  recognized by the  insurer for  that service.                                                                    
        The  insurer  shall  provide the  employer  with  at                                                                    
        least  33.3  percent  of  the  costs  saved  by  the                                                                    
        insurer   resulting   from  the   covered   person's                                                                    
        election.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        (d) A  healthcare insurer must provide  an incentive                                                                    
        of  at least 50  percent of the  costs saved  by the                                                                    
        healthcare  insurer  to  a covered  person  under  a                                                                    
        policy offered in an individual market.                                                                                 
        (e) An  incentive provided is not a  violation of AS                                                                    
        21.36.100, Rebates, or  an administrative expense of                                                                    
        the healthcare insurer rate.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:01:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON continued with the section analysis:                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
        Sec.  21.96.230   The  incentive  program   will  be                                                                
        included  in all  qualified plans  in the  state and                                                                    
        will  provide notice of  eligibility at the  time of                                                                    
        initial enrollment or annual renewal.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.   21.96.240   Before  offering   an   incentive                                                                
        program, the  health insurance company shall  file a                                                                    
        program  description  with  the director  to  ensure                                                                    
        compliance.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        Sec.  21.96.250  If consumers  save  money using  an                                                                
        out-of-network    provider,    their    cost-sharing                                                                    
        payments are counted as in-network.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        Sec. 21.96.260                                                                                                      
        (a)  The  health   care  insurer  will  provide  the                                                                    
        director   with  information  about   the  incentive                                                                    
        program annually. Information will include:                                                                             
          1) The total number of incentive payments                                                                             
          2) Information on the use of the incentive                                                                            
          program by category or service;                                                                                       
          3) The total amount of incentive payments;                                                                            
          4) The average amount of each incentive payment                                                                       
          for each category or service;                                                                                         
          5) The total savings achieved below the average                                                                       
          price of health care service in each category of                                                                      
          service; and                                                                                                          
          6) The total number and percentage of covered                                                                         
          persons participating in the incentive program.                                                                       
        (b)  The director shall  include the  information in                                                                    
        their  annual  report  submitted  to  the  committee                                                                    
        chairs  in  each   house  of  the  legislature  with                                                                    
        jurisdiction over labor and commerce.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
         Sec. 21.96.270                                                                                                     
         (a) Defines  the  types of  insurance policies  the                                                                    
         program   applies,  excluding   certain   "excepted                                                                    
         benefits."                                                                                                             
         (b) Explicitly includes dental and vision policies.                                                                    
         (c) "Excepted benefits" has the meaning given in AS                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         21.54.160. Sec. 21.96.300                                                                                          
         Establishes definitions for terms  in AS 21.96.210-                                                                    
         21.96.300,                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
         (1) "health care  insurance" has the  meaning given                                                                    
             in AS 21.12.050;                                                                                                   
         (2) "health care insurer" has  the meaning given in                                                                    
             AS 21.54.500;                                                                                                      
         (3) "health care provider" has the meaning given in                                                                    
             AS 18.23.400(n);                                                                                                   
         (4) "health care service" has  the meaning given in                                                                    
             AS 18.23.400(n);                                                                                                   
         (5) "policy" has the meaning given in AS 21.97.900.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:03:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON continued with the section analysis:                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
     Section 5- AS  29.10.200, Page 6, line  11 through line                                                                
     13                                                                                                                     
     Adds Sec.  AS 29.35.142,  regulation of  disclosure and                                                                    
     reporting   of   health   care   services   and   price                                                                    
     information, to the  list of home rule  powers under AS                                                                    
     29.10.200.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6-  AS 29.35- Page  6, line 14 through  line 27                                                                
     Expands  on  Section   5  by  specifically  prohibiting                                                                    
     municipalities   from  passing   laws  regulating   the                                                                    
     disclosure   or    reporting   of    healthcare   price                                                                    
     information by providers, facilities, or insurers.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
         (a):  Confirms   that  the  authority  to  regulate                                                                    
         healthcare   price   disclosures   is  solely   the                                                                    
         state's,   barring  municipalities   from  enacting                                                                    
         local laws.                                                                                                            
         (b):  This  restriction  applies  to all  types  of                                                                    
         municipalities,  including  home  rule and  general                                                                    
         law  municipalities,  ensuring uniform  application                                                                    
         across the state.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
         (c):   Provides   definitions   for  "health   care                                                                    
         facility,"  "health  care  insurer,"  "health  care                                                                    
         provider," and "health care service" as referenced                                                                     
         in AS 18.23.400(n), and AS 21.54.500.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:05:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. PRESTON continued with the section analysis:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7- Page 6, line 28 through page 7, line 7                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Directs  the  Alaska  Department of  Administration  to                                                                    
     study and  report on  whether public  employees covered                                                                    
     by   state   health   insurance  would   benefit   from                                                                    
     participating   in  the   "Right  to   Shop"  incentive                                                                    
     program.  Specifically,  it  requires  an  analysis  of                                                                    
     group health  policies provided  under AS  39.30.090 or                                                                    
     AS  39.30.091. The  Department of  Administration shall                                                                    
     complete the analysis, compile  information in a report                                                                    
     to  the  legislature,  and submit  the  report  to  the                                                                    
     senate secretary  and chief clerk  of the  house before                                                                    
     January 1, 2026.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8- Uncodified law- Page  7, line 8 through line                                                                
     13                                                                                                                     
     Amends  the codified  law  of the  State  of Alaska  by                                                                    
     adding  a  new section  allowing  the  director of  the                                                                    
     division  of insurance  to adopt  regulations necessary                                                                    
     to implement this Act.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9- Page 7, line 14                                                                                             
     Sections 7 and 8 of this Act take place immediately.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10- Page 7, line 15                                                                                            
     Except for  sec. 9 of  this Act, this Act  takes effect                                                                    
     on January 1, 2026.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:06:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR referenced  Section 5  [AS 29.10.200]  and stated                                                               
that  Anchorage, as  a home  rule municipality,  already requires                                                               
providers  to publish  prices  for their  top  10 procedures.  He                                                               
asked whether  the proposed  state law  would preempt  this local                                                               
requirement or if Anchorage's authority would remain protected.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES replied  that the  committee might  need to  hear                                                               
from  legislative  legal,  however her  understanding  is  future                                                               
health  care  price  transparency  laws would  fall  under  state                                                               
authority, preempting new municipal  rules. Alaska already passed                                                               
a state-level  transparency law,  but it has  proven hard  to use                                                               
and  ineffective  at  lowering   costs.  She  said  the  proposed                                                               
mechanism  aims  to  improve  usability  without  negating  prior                                                               
efforts.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:08:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  stated that he  is uncertain  whether Anchorage's                                                               
ordinance  or  a prior  legislative  bill  required the  menu  of                                                               
prices,  as  each  used  a different  mechanism.  He  said  while                                                               
uniformity  across the  state is  desired, Anchorage's  ordinance                                                               
has been workable.  He said his concern is whether  the state law                                                               
would only apply prospectively  or eliminate Anchorage's existing                                                               
provisions, which may raise his  hesitancy about Section 5 of the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:09:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN   expressed  concern   that  SB  4,   Section  6,                                                               
diminishes  municipal health  powers and  asked how  it conflicts                                                               
with the Right to Shop health care program.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:10:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES opined  that Section  6,  wouldn't interrupt  the                                                               
mechanism.  She  suggested  that   the  committee  ask  the  same                                                               
question to the Director of the Division of Insurance.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:11:33 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN announced invited testimony on SB 4.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:11:47 PM                                                                                                                    
JOSH ARCHAMBAULT,  Senior Fellow,  Cicero Action,  Austin, Texas,                                                               
testified  by invitation  on SB  4 and  stated that  it addresses                                                               
Alaska's  high  health  care costs  by  aligning  incentives  for                                                               
patients, providers,  and insurers  around value-based  care. The                                                               
bill allows patients to receive  deductible credits and financial                                                               
rewards when they choose  lower-cost, ethically priced providers,                                                               
ending  the current  penalty for  seeking cheaper  care. He  said                                                               
providers  benefit from  reduced  administrative burdens,  faster                                                               
payments, and the ability to  attract more patients, particularly                                                               
in rural areas. The reform  is especially beneficial for patients                                                               
with   chronic  conditions   or   large,  non-emergency   medical                                                               
expenses.  He said  by  encouraging the  use  of lower-cost  care                                                               
options, SB  4 can  improve access,  promote follow-up  care, and                                                               
apply downward pressure on insurance  premiums over time. Similar                                                               
programs in states such as  Tennessee and Texas have demonstrated                                                               
success, showing  that shared-savings incentives  can effectively                                                               
reward cost-conscious care without compromising quality.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:15:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  DUNBAR asked  Mr. Archambault  if  he was  aware of  the                                                               
hesitancy among Alaska  hospital groups regarding SB 4  and if he                                                               
knew  the  groups  specific  concerns.  He  also  inquired  about                                                               
evidence  from  other  states on  whether  similar  reforms  have                                                               
reduced   insurance   premiums.   He  discussed   Alaska's   80th                                                               
percentile  rule, the  perceived imbalance  of negotiation  power                                                               
between  insurers  and  providers  and  asked  Mr.  Archambault's                                                               
opinion whether  SB 4  would favor insurers  and if  cost savings                                                               
from such programs have led to lower premiums elsewhere.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:17:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  ARCHAMBAULT  replied that  while  he  is not  familiar  with                                                               
specific hospital objections in  Alaska, hospitals commonly raise                                                               
objection  about reforms  like SB  4,  which vary  by market  and                                                               
hospital. He said research across  urban and rural settings shows                                                               
that  offering patients  additional  care  options and  rewarding                                                               
ethically  priced   providers  can  motivate  3040    percent  of                                                               
patients  to  change  behavior,  leading  to  better  access  and                                                               
reduced   long-term  costs.   Evidence  from   states  like   New                                                               
Hampshire, Kentucky,  and California  suggests such  programs can                                                               
stabilize  or reduce  premiums,  encourage  new market  entrants,                                                               
prompt high-cost  providers to adjust prices,  and expand direct-                                                               
pay options.  He said early  data indicate  measurable reductions                                                               
in  costs, though  local results  may vary  due to  unique market                                                               
dynamics.  Overall, adding  options for  patients to  seek lower-                                                               
cost care is seen as a net benefit.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:21:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN opened public testimony  on SB 4; finding none, he                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:22:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN asked  Ms. Wing-Heier to share her  thoughts on SB
4, Section  5 and  6, and  the rationale  why these  sections are                                                               
included in the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:22:49 PM                                                                                                                    
LORI  WING-HEIER,  Director,  Division of  Insurance,  Anchorage,                                                               
Alaska,  answered questions  relating to  SB 4  and replied  that                                                               
there  are multiple  layers of  health  care price  transparency,                                                               
including  state statutes,  the federal  "No Surprises"  Act, and                                                               
local municipal  requirements, but none  of these are  perfect. A                                                               
major challenge is  that consumers often do not  know these tools                                                               
exist or how to use them.  For example, patients may not know the                                                               
correct  procedure  codes  for  surgeries  or  tests,  making  it                                                               
difficult  to compare  costs accurately.  SB  4 supports  greater                                                               
consumer  involvement  in  health  care  decisions  by  providing                                                               
options  and  incentives  to  seek   lower-cost  care.  She  said                                                               
patients  will   still  need  to  actively   verify  prices  with                                                               
providers  and   insurers  to  confirm  potential   savings.  She                                                               
emphasized  that improving  consumer  education  is essential  so                                                               
that Alaskans  can spend  their health  care dollars  more wisely                                                               
and take full advantage of transparency tools.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:24:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR DUNBAR  stated that  he doesn't  think he's  ever shopped                                                               
for  healthcare providers,  and he  usually will  go where  he is                                                               
told  to  go. He  said  many  people  don't  know what  they  are                                                               
shopping for  and when they  find a  provider it may  take months                                                               
and month  to get  in to  see the provider.  He asked  if similar                                                               
reforms have  been implemented  in other  states, has  this issue                                                               
come up  in discussions with insurance  administrators elsewhere,                                                               
and  what  feedback is  there  concerning  how the  programs  are                                                               
working.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:26:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER replied that she is  waiting to hear back from the                                                               
other states  and will give  an update  once she has  received an                                                               
answer.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:26:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR YUNDT expressed  strong support for SB 4  and opined that                                                               
financial incentives  would motivate  patients to shop  for their                                                               
own  health care.  He said  he  saw little  risk and  significant                                                               
potential benefit for Alaskans,  though he flagged concerns about                                                               
unintentionally limiting local health  powers. Overall, he viewed                                                               
SB  4 as  a  major  opportunity to  help  residents and  welcomed                                                               
further refinement through the public process.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:27:59 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  BJORKMAN  noted that  while  patients  sometimes shop  for                                                               
lower-cost  services,   limited  provider  access   can  restrict                                                               
choices. He emphasized the  importance of incentivizing spending,                                                               
particularly in  self-insured plans,  to encourage use  of lower-                                                               
cost  care  options  instead of  expensive  emergency  department                                                               
visits.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:29:01 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR BJORKMAN held SB 4 in committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:29:22 PM                                                                                                                    
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Bjorkman adjourned the Senate Labor and Commerce Standing                                                                 
Committee meeting at 2:29 p.m.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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