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05/02/2024 05:15 PM Senate JUDICIARY

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+= HB 66 CONTROLLED SUB;HOMICIDE;CRIMES;SENTENCING TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 66(JUD) Out of Committee
+ SB 223 ASSISTANT ADJUTANT GENERAL APPOINTMENT TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 223 Out of Committee
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                          May 2, 2024                                                                                           
                           5:20 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Matt Claman, Chair                                                                                                      
Senator Jesse Kiehl, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 66(FIN) AM                                                                              
"An  Act relating  to homicide  resulting from  conduct involving                                                               
controlled  substances;   relating  to  misconduct   involving  a                                                               
controlled substance;  relating to sentencing; and  providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SCS CSHB 66(JUD) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 223                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to the appointment of an assistant adjutant                                                                    
general; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED SB 223 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB  66                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CONTROLLED SUB;HOMICIDE;CRIMES;SENTENCING                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/08/23       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/08/23       (H)       JUD, FIN                                                                                               
02/27/23       (H)       JUD AT 1:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
02/27/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/27/23       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/01/23       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/01/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/01/23       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/03/23       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/03/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/03/23       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/06/23       (H)       JUD AT 1:30 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/06/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/06/23       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/24/23       (H)       JUD AT 1:00 PM GRUENBERG 120                                                                           
03/24/23       (H)       Moved CSHB 66(JUD) Out of Committee                                                                    
03/24/23       (H)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
03/27/23       (H)       JUD RPT CS(JUD) NEW TITLE 4DP 1DNP 1NR                                                                 
                         1AM                                                                                                    
03/27/23       (H)       DP: C.JOHNSON, CARPENTER, ALLARD, VANCE                                                                
03/27/23       (H)       DNP: EASTMAN                                                                                           
03/27/23       (H)       NR: GROH                                                                                               
03/27/23       (H)       AM: GRAY                                                                                               
04/13/23       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM ADAMS 519                                                                               
04/13/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/13/23       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
05/01/23       (H)       FIN AT 1:30 PM ADAMS 519                                                                               
05/01/23       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
05/01/23       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
05/05/23       (H)       FIN AT 9:30 AM ADAMS 519                                                                               
05/05/23       (H)       Moved CSHB 66(FIN) Out of Committee                                                                    
05/05/23       (H)       MINUTE(FIN)                                                                                            
05/08/23       (H)       FIN RPT CS(FIN) NEW TITLE 2DP 5NR 2AM                                                                  
05/08/23       (H)       DP: EDGMON, D.JOHNSON                                                                                  
05/08/23       (H)       NR: CRONK, HANNAN, STAPP, ORTIZ, FOSTER                                                                
05/08/23       (H)       AM: JOSEPHSON, GALVIN                                                                                  
05/11/23       (H)       TRANSMITTED TO (S)                                                                                     
05/11/23       (H)       VERSION: CSHB 66(FIN) AM                                                                               
05/12/23       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
05/12/23       (S)       JUD, FIN                                                                                               
05/15/23       (S)       JUD WAIVED PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE, RULE                                                                 
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05/16/23       (S)       JUD AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
05/16/23       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
02/28/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/28/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/28/24       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
04/29/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
04/29/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
04/29/24       (S)       MINUTE(JUD)                                                                                            
05/02/24       (S)       JUD AT 5:15 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 223                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: ASSISTANT ADJUTANT GENERAL APPOINTMENT                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/12/24       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/12/24       (S)       STA, JUD                                                                                               
02/27/24       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/27/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/27/24       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
03/21/24       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
03/21/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/21/24       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
04/23/24       (S)       STA AT 3:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
04/23/24       (S)       Moved SB 223 Out of Committee                                                                          
04/23/24       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
04/24/24       (S)       STA RPT 3DP 1NR 1AM                                                                                    
04/24/24       (S)       AM: KAWASAKI                                                                                           
04/24/24       (S)       DP: CLAMAN, MERRICK, BJORKMAN                                                                          
04/24/24       (S)       NR: WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                       
05/01/24       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
05/01/24       (S)       -- MEETING CANCELED --                                                                                 
05/02/24       (S)       JUD AT 5:15 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TERI WEST, Division Director                                                                                                    
Division of Administrative Services                                                                                             
Department of Corrections                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions pertaining to HB 66                                                                    
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BREANNA KAKARUK, Staff                                                                                                          
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the explanation of changes from                                                                 
version Y to N of HB 66.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ANGIE KEMP, Director                                                                                                            
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Discussed Conceptual Amendment 1 to HB 66                                                                 
and answered questions.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
APRIL WILKERSON, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                            
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Corrections                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the  discussion of                                                             
HB 66.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA LAFLAMME, Legislative Liaison                                                                                            
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs (DMVA)                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Introduced  SB   233  on  behalf   of  the                                                             
administration and presented the sectional analysis.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MATT CLAMAN called the  Senate Judiciary Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order  at 5:20 p.m. Present at the  call to order were                                                               
Senators  Giessel,  Kiehl,  Tobin,   and  Chair  Claman.  Senator                                                               
Kaufman arrived thereafter.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        HB  66-CONTROLLED SUB;HOMICIDE;CRIMES;SENTENCING                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
5:20:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced the  consideration of  CS FOR  HOUSE BILL                                                               
NO.  66(FIN)  am "An  Act  relating  to homicide  resulting  from                                                               
conduct involving  controlled substances; relating  to misconduct                                                               
involving  a controlled  substance; relating  to sentencing;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:21:23 PM                                                                                                                    
TERI   WEST,  Division   Director,  Division   of  Administrative                                                               
Services,  Department of  Corrections,  Juneau, Alaska,  answered                                                               
questions pertaining to fiscal notes on HB 66.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:21:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN  asked how  DOC  plans  to address  the  potential                                                               
increase  in  the number  of  incarcerated  individuals and  what                                                               
treatment services DOC would provide.  She pointed out that HB 66                                                               
has  a   zero  fiscal  note;  however,   treatment  services  for                                                               
additional individuals would have associated costs.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:22:15 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEST indicated that DOC is aware  that HB 66 may result in an                                                               
increased  number of  incarcerated individuals.  While the  exact                                                               
number is unknown, it is expected  to be minimal. She said DOC is                                                               
currently at 83 percent capacity.  DOC would monitor the increase                                                               
for fiscal impacts; however, DOC is funded for general capacity.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:22:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN joined the meeting.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
5:22:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN said  that  she  is a  member  of  the DOC  budget                                                               
subcommittee and  expressed concerns  about the  potential fiscal                                                               
impact of  HB 66. She  commented that  the public may  consider a                                                               
zero fiscal note to imply zero budgetary impact.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:23:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WEST said  that the  substance  abuse component  of the  DOC                                                               
budget,  which was  approximately $1.4  million for  the previous                                                               
year, has been lapsing money.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:23:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  asked for clarification  that DOC  anticipates the                                                               
aforementioned  $1.4 million  budget component  to cover  general                                                               
costs,  as  well  as  treatment   for  the  increased  number  of                                                               
incarcerated individuals.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:23:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEST replied yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:24:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  noted that  she  is  a nurse  practitioner  and                                                               
expressed surprise that  DOC has lapsing funds  as treatments for                                                               
substance  misuse can  be costly.  She asked  whether injectables                                                               
are being used.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WEST  replied that DOC  is utilizing all  available resources                                                               
to address inmates' needs. She  added that DOC works closely with                                                               
substance abuse treatment providers.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:25:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  said  the  proposed  Senate  committee  substitute                                                               
(SCS), version N, is before the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:26:05 PM                                                                                                                    
BREANNA  KAKARUK,  Staff,  Senator   Matt  Claman,  Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska,  presented the following explanation                                                               
of changes from version Y to N of HB 66:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                         House Bill 66                                                                                        
                       Summary of Changes                                                                                     
                   Senate Judiciary Committee                                                                                 
                     Version Y to Version N                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
       In the Committee Substitute to HB 66 version N we                                                                        
     included the following changes:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        • Add "affirmative defense in to murder in the                                                                          
          second degree" provisions:                                                                                            
             • Sec. 2 11.31.110, page 2, line 19                                                                                
                  • Delete "11.41.110(a)"                                                                                       
                  • Insert: "Sec. 11.41.110. Murder in the                                                                      
                    second degree. (a)"                                                                                         
             • Sec. 2 11.31.110, page 2, line 21                                                                                
                  • Delete the first occurrence of "a"                                                                          
                  • Insert "another"                                                                                            
             • Add new materials on page  3, lines 22-31 and                                                                    
               page 4, lines 1-3                                                                                                
             • Sec. 2 11.31.110, page 3, line 19                                                                                
                  • Delete the first occurrence of "a"                                                                          
                  • Insert "another"                                                                                            
             • Update  applicability  to include  murder  in                                                                    
               the second degree provisions                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • Sec. 30 AS 12.63.010, page 22                                                                                         
             • Delete  "appear  in  person at  and"  in  two                                                                    
               instances.                                                                                                       
        • Sec. 47.30.706(b), page 30, line 22                                                                                   
             • Delete "after entry of the ex parte order."                                                                      
             • Insert  "after  the respondent's  arrival  at                                                                    
               the evaluation facility"                                                                                         
        • Sec. 47.30.715, page 31, line 11                                                                                      
             • Delete "under AS 47.30.705(a) or 47.30.706"                                                                      
        • Sec. 47.30.715, page 31, line 22                                                                                      
             • Delete   "section,    AS   47.30.705(a),   or                                                                    
               47.30.706"                                                                                                       
             • Insert "AS 47.30.700  47.30.815"                                                                                 
        • Adding new legislation                                                                                                
             • HB 11:  CRIME: ASSAULT  IN THE PRESENCE  OF A                                                                    
               CHILD                                                                                                            
             • HB   28:  ACCESS   TO  MARIJUANA   CONVICTION                                                                    
               RECORDS                                                                                                          
             • HB 286: CRIME VICTIM RESTITUTION                                                                                 
        • Conforming changes:                                                                                                   
             • Title change                                                                                                     
             • Renumbering                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:28:01 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN expressed confusion and requested a document                                                                      
detailing the explanation of changes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. KAKARUK said she would provide this to the committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:28:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:28:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt the Senate committee substitute                                                                    
(SCS) for CSHB 66, work order 33-GH1482\N, as the working                                                                       
document.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:29:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN found no objection and SCS CSHB 66, version N, was                                                                 
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[CHAIR CLAMAN said that all amendments were drafted to version Y                                                                
and would therefore be offered as conceptual amendments.]                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:29:20 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL moved to adopt Conceptual Amendment 1, work order                                                                 
33-GH1482\Y.6.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-GH1482\Y.6                                                                    
                                                  C. Radford                                                                    
                                                      5/1/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                     CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT 1                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE                  BY SENATOR KIEHL                                                                     
        TO:  SCS CSHB 66(JUD), Draft Version "Y"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, lines 8 - 9:                                                                                                       
           Delete "Rule 6(s)"                                                                                                 
           Insert "Rule 6(s)(2)"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 11, through page 2, line 12:                                                                                  
          Delete all material.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, line 13:                                                                                                           
          Delete "Sec. 2"                                                                                                     
          Insert "Section 1"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 9, following line 21:                                                                                                 
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
        "* Sec. 14. AS 12.40.110(a) is amended to read:                                                                     
          (a)  In a prosecution for an offense under                                                                            
     AS 11.41.410  -   11.41.458,  hearsay  evidence   of  a                                                                    
     statement  related   to  the  offense,   not  otherwise                                                                    
     admissible, made  by a child  who is the victim  of the                                                                    
     offense may be admitted  into evidence before the grand                                                                    
     jury if                                                                                                                    
               (1)  the circumstances of the statement                                                                          
     indicate its reliability;                                                                                                  
               (2)  the child is under 16 [10] years of age                                                                 
     when the hearsay evidence is sought to be admitted;                                                                        
               (3)  additional evidence is introduced to                                                                        
     corroborate the statement; and                                                                                             
               (4)  the child testifies at the grand jury                                                                       
     proceeding or  the child will  be available  to testify                                                                    
     at trial."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 36, line 13, through page 38, line 5:                                                                                 
          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
               "DIRECT COURT RULE AMENDMENT. Rule 6(s)(2),                                                                      
     Alaska  Rules  of  Criminal Procedure,  is  amended  to                                                                    
     read:                                                                                                                      
               (2)  In a prosecution for an offense under                                                                       
     AS 11.41.410  -   11.41.458,  hearsay  evidence   of  a                                                                    
     statement  related   to  the  offense,   not  otherwise                                                                    
     admissible, made  by a child  who is the victim  of the                                                                    
     offense may be admitted  into evidence before the grand                                                                    
     jury if                                                                                                                    
                    (i)  the circumstances of the statement                                                                     
                indicate its reliability;                                                                                       
                    (ii)  the child is under 16 [10] years                                                                  
                of age when the hearsay evidence is sought                                                                      
                to be admitted;                                                                                                 
                    (iii)        additional   evidence    is                                                                    
                introduced to corroborate the statement; and                                                                    
                    (iv)  the child testifies at the grand                                                                      
                jury proceeding or the child will be                                                                            
                available to testify at trial."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 2"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 1"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 3"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 2"                                                                                                       
          Delete "sec. 4"                                                                                                       
          Insert "sec. 3"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 11"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 10"                                                                                                      
          Delete "sec. 12"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 11"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 13"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 12"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 38, line 14:                                                                                                          
          Delete "secs. 2 - 5, 11 - 13, and 29"                                                                                 
          Insert "secs. 1 - 4, 10 - 12, and 29"                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 38, line 30:                                                                                                          
          Delete "Rule 6(s)"                                                                                                    
          Insert "AS 12.40.110(a), as amended by sec. 14 of                                                                     
     this Act, and Rule 6(s)(2)"                                                                                                
          Delete "sec. 46"                                                                                                      
          Insert "secs. 14 and 46"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "applies"                                                                                                      
          Insert "apply"                                                                                                        
          Delete "sec. 46"                                                                                                      
          Insert "secs. 14 and 46"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 46"                                                                                                      
          Insert "secs. 14 and 46"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "Rule 6(s)"                                                                                                    
          Insert "Rule 6(s)(2)"                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete "sec. 50"                                                                                                      
          Insert "sec. 49"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:29:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:29:45 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:30:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  reconvened the meeting. Conceptual  Amendment 1 was                                                               
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:30:16 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL said that Conceptual  Amendment 1 addresses the use                                                               
of hearsay  at grand jury hearings.  He stated that HB  66 allows                                                               
the use  of hearsay at grand  jury in most cases  and opined that                                                               
this excessively changes the function  of grand juries in Alaska.                                                               
He noted  that this  issue has come  up previously.  He explained                                                               
that Conceptual Amendment  1 makes a much more  limited change to                                                               
the rules  regarding the use  of hearsay.  It would also  make it                                                               
easier  to use  the  current statute.  He  briefly explained  the                                                               
current statutory  requirements which  allows children  under age                                                               
10 to  provide testimony without  testifying in front of  a grand                                                               
jury. This  is the only  hearsay currently allowed in  grand jury                                                               
hearings.  Conceptual Amendment  1 would  raise this  to children                                                               
under age 16.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL  emphasized that  this would  not allow  hearsay at                                                               
all grand jury hearings. He stated  that the grand jury serves as                                                               
a buffer  between the government  and the accused -  to determine                                                               
if  there is  probable cause  that a  crime was  committed -  and                                                               
opined that  this is  not a high  standard. He  briefly discussed                                                               
the  history of  grand juries.  He  opined that,  outside of  the                                                               
current allowance, hearsay is not  fair to defendants. He briefly                                                               
discussed the  role that witnesses  play at grand  jury hearings.                                                               
He  expressed  concern  that  allowing   hearsay  at  grand  jury                                                               
hearings  would  result  in  lighter  consequences  in  cases  of                                                               
perjury.  He   emphasized  that   allowing  hearsay   removes  an                                                               
important safeguard  in criminal felony trials.  He asserted that                                                               
criminal trials  are not meant to  be easy and opined  that grand                                                               
juries are already  an easy step in the  process. He acknowledged                                                               
that  grand   jury  testimony  is   difficult  for   victims.  He                                                               
reiterated  that  Conceptual  Amendment  1  expands  the  limited                                                               
hearsay exception for children (who  are the most traumatized and                                                               
are  potentially   retraumatized  in  each  retelling   of  their                                                               
experience).  He  emphasized  that   this  amendment  would  also                                                               
protect the integrity of the criminal justice system.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:35:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN asked  the Department  of  Law (DOL)  to offer  its                                                               
perspective on Conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:35:41 PM                                                                                                                    
ANGIE  KEMP,  Director,  Criminal Division,  Department  of  Law,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska,  Discussed Conceptual  Amendment 1  to HB  66 and                                                               
answered questions.  Agreed that  Conceptual Amendment  1 expands                                                               
current  law.  She  stated  that this  amendment  would  allow  a                                                               
prosecutor  to  offer  the statements  that  child  sexual  abuse                                                               
victims  make  to  child  advocacy  centers.  (Certain  statutory                                                               
requirements must be  met before this is  allowable.) She pointed                                                               
out that the  age increase only applies to children  15 and under                                                               
- which leaves  out children aged 16 and older,  as well as adult                                                               
victims. In  addition, young children who  witness violent crimes                                                               
(e.g. murder)  would still be required  to testify in front  of a                                                               
grand  jury. She  emphasized that  Conceptual Amendment  1 has  a                                                               
narrow scope of  application. She pointed out that  this issue is                                                               
of  concern to  Alaskans. She  offered an  example to  illustrate                                                               
that  the  majority  of  victims would  not  benefit  from  these                                                               
changes.  She  emphasized  that requiring  witnesses  to  recount                                                               
violent crimes  in front of  a grand jury can  retraumatize them.                                                               
She stated that Conceptual Amendment 1  does not go far enough to                                                               
expand victim protections.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:40:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  KEMP described  a case  in which  the prosecution  attempted                                                               
unsuccessfully to introduce the  testimony given by a 14-year-old                                                               
sexual assault victim  to a child advocacy  center. She explained                                                               
that prospective  analysis requirements were not  met; therefore,                                                               
the  14-year-old victim  was required  to testify  in front  of a                                                               
grand jury. She surmised that  this was likely the most traumatic                                                               
experience  of  the  child's life.  She  opined  that  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2  does not solve  the problem. She pointed  to current                                                               
regulation  that requires  prospective analysis  and stated  that                                                               
there is precedent to guide  how these cases would be considered.                                                               
She commented on the value  of grand jury proceedings and related                                                               
these to a  probable cause analysis. She estimated  that 32 other                                                               
states, including  the federal government, allow  this testimony.                                                               
She  briefly discussed  Alaska statehood  and the  history behind                                                               
the  preclusion   of  rules  of  hearsay.   She  offered  briefly                                                               
discussed  historical  Alaska Supreme  Court  case  law in  which                                                               
hearsay is  shown to be an  appropriate foundation for a  case at                                                               
grand jury. Hearsay was not precluded from case law until 1973.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:43:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN pointed  out that  previously,  there was  concern                                                               
regarding the  legislature addressing court  rule determinations,                                                               
as  there is  a separate  entity that  addresses this.  She asked                                                               
what changed in the last year.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:44:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  KEMP agreed  and briefly  described the  mechanism by  which                                                               
criminal rules are  determined. She indicated that this  can be a                                                               
lengthy process.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:45:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN asked for clarification  regarding what has changed                                                               
in the last year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KEMP clarified that nothing  has changed. She stated that the                                                               
Department of Law  (DOL) believes that this change  is within the                                                               
legislature's purview.  She pointed out that  the legislature has                                                               
made substantive changes to court rules in the past.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:45:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN  asked for clarification of  her understanding that                                                               
nothing has changed in the  past year; therefore, the committee's                                                               
previous concerns remain salient.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:45:57 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KEMP said that she could not speak to this.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:46:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN  pointed out  that  the  example of  a  9-year-old                                                               
victim would  not be applicable to  HB 66, as current  law allows                                                               
this testimony  from children ages  10 and under. She  turned her                                                               
attention  to  the   role  of  peace  officers   and  shared  her                                                               
understanding that, because a peace  officer is involved when the                                                               
testimony is gathered,  Child Advocacy Centers (CAC)  are able to                                                               
provide hearsay  testimony for grand jury  proceedings. She asked                                                               
why DOL interprets these changes  as applicable to CACs when CACs                                                               
are currently  able to  utilize this type  of testimony  in grand                                                               
jury proceedings.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
5:46:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  KEMP said  that interviews  at CACs  are taken  in a  static                                                               
environment and  briefly described the role  that law enforcement                                                               
plays.  She  agreed that  an  officer  may  be in  the  vicinity;                                                               
however, they  are not typically  able to conduct  the interview.                                                               
She explained  that the interview  is not  necessarily admissible                                                               
at  grand jury.  She  said that  the  current statutory  language                                                               
excludes  10-year-olds  (they would  be  required  to testify  in                                                               
front of the grand jury).                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:47:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN  asked  for clarification  regarding  the  current                                                               
statutory age requirement.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:48:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KEMP  stated that  current statute says  "under 10"  which is                                                               
interpreted as ages 9 and under.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:48:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN directed attention to  HB 66, page 40, lines 11-20.                                                               
She  shared her  understanding that  a peace  officer is  present                                                               
(watching the recording)  when a child is  being interviewed. She                                                               
asked for  clarification that this interview  testimony would not                                                               
be admissible.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
5:48:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. KEMP agreed that this  would not be admissible. She explained                                                               
that  there  are  provisions  in the  current  rule  relating  to                                                               
officers providing  summary of the  work done by  other officers.                                                               
Officers are not able to summarize a child's testimony.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN opined that the  same standards should apply to both                                                               
state and  federal court. He  indicated that he does  not support                                                               
Conceptual Amendment 1.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:49:56 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  responded to earlier  comments related  to hearsay                                                               
and  the Alaska  State  Constitution. He  pointed  to Costello  v                                                               
United States  (1956) as  the keystone  hearsay case  for federal                                                               
courts. He  said that this was  expanded over time to  what it is                                                               
today -  and these  changes occurred  after statehood.  He opined                                                               
that at  statehood, the  hearsay law  would lean  toward limiting                                                               
the  use  of  hearsay  at  grand jury.  He  emphasized  that  the                                                               
language in  HB 66 is  broad, and this  precludes the use  of the                                                               
grand jury  as a check. He  expressed a willingness to  work with                                                               
other  committee members  to modify  Conceptual  Amendment 1  and                                                               
emphasized that  the intention is  to protect both  child victims                                                               
of trauma and the integrity of the criminal justice system.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:51:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN maintained his objection and asked for a roll call                                                                 
vote.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
A roll call vote was taken. Senators Kiehl, Tobin voted in favor                                                                
of Conceptual Amendment 1 and Senators Giessel, Kaufman, Claman                                                                 
voted against it. The vote was 2:3.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN announced that Conceptual Amendment 1 failed on a                                                                  
vote of 2 yeas and 3 nays.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:52:27 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
5:52:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN moved to adopt Conceptual Amendment 2, work order                                                                 
33-GH1482\Y.7.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                               33-GH1482\Y.7                                                                    
                                                  C. Radford                                                                    
                                                      5/1/24                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                    CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT  2                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     OFFERED IN THE SENATE                                                                                                      
         TO:  SCS CSHB 66(JUD), Draft Version "Y"                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 6, following "violence';":                                                                                  
          Insert "relating to the use and possession of                                                                       
     electronic devices by prisoners;"                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
      "* Sec. 31. AS 33.30.015(a) is amended to read:                                                                       
             (a)  The commissioner may not                                                                                      
                  (1)  make per capita expenditures for food                                                                    
         for  prisoners  in  a state  correctional  facility                                                                    
         operated  by the  state that  exceed 90  percent of                                                                    
         per capita  expenditures for food that is available                                                                    
         to enlisted personnel in the United States Army                                                                        
         stationed in the state;                                                                                                
                  (2)   provide,  in  a  state  correctional                                                                    
         facility operated by the state,                                                                                        
                        (A)  living quarters for a prisoner                                                                     
             into  which the  view  is obstructed;  however,                                                                    
             the commissioner is  not required to renovate a                                                                    
             facility  to comply  with this  subparagraph if                                                                    
             the  facility is being  used as  a correctional                                                                    
             facility   on  August 27,   1997,  or   if  the                                                                    
             facility   was  already   built  before   being                                                                    
             acquired by the department;                                                                                        
                        (B)  equipment or facilities for                                                                        
             publishing   or   broadcasting   material   the                                                                    
             content  of  which  is  not  subject  to  prior                                                                    
             approval by  the department as  consistent with                                                                    
             keeping order  in the institution  and prisoner                                                                    
             discipline;                                                                                                        
                        (C)  cable television service other                                                                     
             than a level  of basic cable television service                                                                    
             that is available  as a substitute for services                                                                    
             that  are  broadcast   to  the  public  in  the                                                                    
             community in  which a correctional  facility is                                                                    
             located;                                                                                                           
                  (3)   allow  a prisoner  held  in a  state                                                                    
         correctional facility operated by the state to                                                                         
                        (A)  possess in the prisoner's cell                                                                     
             a                                                                                                                  
                             (i)  cassette tape player or                                                                   
                  recorder,  [A]  video   cassette  recorder                                                                    
                  (VCR), or telephone;                                                                                      
                             (ii)  computer or electronic                                                                   
                  tablet unless used for  a purpose approved                                                                
                  under (I) of this paragraph [A COMPUTER OR                                                                
                  MODEM OF ANY KIND];                                                                                         
                        (B)  view movies rated "R," "X," or                                                                     
             "NC-17";                                                                                                           
                        (C)         possess    printed    or                                                                    
             photographic material that                                                                                         
                             (i)  is obscene as defined by                                                                      
                  the commissioner in regulation;                                                                             
                             (ii)  could reasonably be                                                                          
                  expected  to  incite  racial,  ethnic,  or                                                                    
                  religious hatred  that  is detrimental  to                                                                    
                  the security, good order, or discipline of                                                                    
                  the institution or violence;                                                                                
                             (iii)  could reasonably be                                                                         
                  expected to aid in an escape or in the                                                                        
                  theft or destruction of property;                                                                           
                             (iv)  describes procedures for                                                                     
                  brewing   alcoholic   beverages   or   for                                                                    
                  manufacturing    controlled    substances,                                                                    
                  weapons, or explosives; or                                                                                  
                             (v)  could reasonably be                                                                           
                  expected to facilitate criminal activity                                                                      
                  or a violation of institution rules;                                                                        
                        (D)   receive instruction in person,                                                                    
             or  by broadcast medium,  or engage  in boxing,                                                                    
             wrestling, judo,  karate, or other  martial art                                                                    
             or in any activity  that, in the commissioner's                                                                    
             discretion, would facilitate violent behavior;                                                                     
                        (E)    possess  or  have  access  to                                                                    
             equipment for  use in the activities  listed in                                                                    
             (D) of this paragraph;                                                                                             
                        (F)   possess or have access to free                                                                    
             weights;                                                                                                           
                        (G)   possess in the prisoner's cell                                                                    
             a coffee  pot, hot plate, appliance  or heating                                                                    
             element  for  food  preparation, or  more  than                                                                    
             three electrical appliances of any kind;                                                                           
                        (H)   possess  or appear in  a state                                                                    
             of  dress,  hygiene,  grooming,  or  appearance                                                                    
             other than as  permitted as uniform or standard                                                                    
             in the correctional facility;                                                                                      
                        (I)   use  a computer  or electronic                                                                
             tablet  other   than  those  approved   by  the                                                                
             correctional  facility; the  use of  a computer                                                                    
             or  electronic tablet  under this  subparagraph                                                                
             may   be  approved   only  to   facilitate  the                                                                
             prisoner's  rehabilitation  or  the  prisoner's                                                                
             compliance  with a  reentry plan  or case  plan                                                                
             developed  under AS 33.30.011,  as part  of the                                                                
             prisoner's    employment,    education,    [OR]                                                                    
             vocational training, access  to legal reference                                                                
             materials, visitation,  or health care,  or for                                                                
             another purpose identified  by the commissioner                                                                
             in  regulation, and  may  not be  used for  any                                                                
             other purpose;                                                                                                     
                        (J)   smoke or use  tobacco products                                                                    
             of any kind."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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5:52:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TOBIN  commented that HB  66 is inclusive of  the state's                                                               
criminal  legal system.  She  referred to  a  recent House  floor                                                               
debate   related  to   incarcerated   individuals,  the   state's                                                               
responsibility,  and the  notion  of  restoration. She  indicated                                                               
that   Conceptual   Amendment   2  incorporates   language   from                                                               
legislation introduced  in the  House. She  said it  would enable                                                               
incarcerated  individuals  access   to  educational  programming,                                                               
resources,  and electronic  tablets. She  opined that  this would                                                               
reduce recidivism  and help  incarcerated Alaskans  find pathways                                                               
to harm restoration and repair.  She pointed out that discussions                                                               
related  to incarcerated  individuals and  electronic tablet  use                                                               
has occurred  over many years  and opined that  committee members                                                               
are  familiar with  this issue.  She noted  that this  would also                                                               
expand  medical  treatment  options   for  this  population.  She                                                               
emphasized  the importance  of ensuring  that pathways  to repair                                                               
from harm are available to incarcerated individuals.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:54:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   CLAMAN  asked   for   the   Department  of   Corrections'                                                               
perspective on Conceptual Amendment 2.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
5:55:40 PM                                                                                                                    
APRIL   WILKERSON,    Deputy   Commissioner,   Office    of   the                                                               
Commissioner, Department  of Corrections, Juneau,  Alaska, stated                                                               
that DOC  takes a neutral  stance on Conceptual Amendment  2. She                                                               
expressed   support  and   said  that   DOC  agrees   that  these                                                               
technologies  would expand  and increase  DOC's efficiency,  thus                                                               
allowing   DOC  to   provide  reformative   programming  to   the                                                               
incarcerated population.  She noted  that DOC  has a  zero fiscal                                                               
note  related  to the  legislation  and  explained that  this  is                                                               
because the legislation allows DOC  to provide tablets to inmates                                                               
and indicated  that this would  be done with  existing resources.                                                               
She said that DOC would make  an additional budget request to the                                                               
legislature in the future, if necessary.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:57:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  sought confirmation  that the  department supports                                                               
the  stand-alone   legislation  and  is  neutral   on  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2, which would roll that legislation into HB 66.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:57:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WILKERSON replied yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:57:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAUFMAN  asked  if  the tablets  are  connected  to  the                                                               
internet.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:57:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WILKERSON  replied  no. She  explained  that  DOC  currently                                                               
provides  computers  to inmates  on  a  very structured,  limited                                                               
basis. Both the tablets and  computers are on a closed, monitored                                                               
network.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:58:24 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KAUFMAN surmised  that the tablets would not  be used for                                                               
telehealth if they are not connected to the internet.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WILKERSON   replied  that   secure  video   conferencing  is                                                               
available in  certain instances (e.g.  for court  hearings, which                                                               
is  a  pilot  project).  She  said that,  in  a  secure  setting,                                                               
telehealth,  telepsychiatry, and  remote learning  could be  made                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:59:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAUFMAN  asked  whether  the glass  is  secure  so  that                                                               
inmates are  not able  to break  the tablet  screens and  use the                                                               
glass as a weapon.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. WILKERSON  replied yes.  She explained  that the  tablets are                                                               
corrections grade and  are used by federal  and state corrections                                                               
facilities.  She said  that  DOC would  model  its program  after                                                               
programs that  are currently in  place in other states.  She said                                                               
DOC  is considering  Hiland Mountain  Correctional  Facility -  a                                                               
female-only prison in Eagle River -  as a pilot location for this                                                               
program.  She explained  that currently,  inmates have  access to                                                               
attorney  appointments  and  the  law  library.  Education/remote                                                               
learning and telehealth would be added.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:00:57 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KAUFMAN  asked  for  clarification  regarding  the  zero                                                               
fiscal note, potential costs, and increased efficiency.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:01:19 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WILKERSON replied that DOC's goal  is to apply the cost saved                                                               
from  switching  from  in-person   appointments  to  cover  costs                                                               
associated with  the tablets,  including educational  learning or                                                               
curricula on  the tablets. Identifying inefficiencies  would help                                                               
to alleviate  manual labor, overtime,  and officer/administrative                                                               
staffing burdens.  These funds  could then  be diverted  to cover                                                               
the costs of the tablets.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:02:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  commented that HB  66 addresses court  rules and                                                               
sentencing,  and  commitment  procedures   and  opined  that  the                                                               
addition of tablets, karate, judo, etc. is unusual.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:02:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN  noted that HB 330,  which would approve the  use of                                                               
tablets by DOC inmates, is making  progress and asked if there is                                                               
companion legislation in the Senate.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:03:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN replied that she does not know.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
6:03:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL shared his understanding  that the Senate companion                                                               
legislation is  in its  first committee of  referral and  has not                                                               
been heard.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:03:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  maintained  his  objection.  He  stated  that  his                                                               
concerns are  similar to Senator Giessel's  comment. He indicated                                                               
his  support of  tablets in  correctional facilities  but pointed                                                               
out that  this issue has come  up in previous years  (and has not                                                               
passed).  He  surmised that  this  is  likely due  to  additional                                                               
issues that need further consideration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:04:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN asked for a roll call vote.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
A roll call vote was taken.  Senators Kiehl, Tobin voted in favor                                                               
of Conceptual  Amendment 2 and Senators  Kaufman, Giessel, Claman                                                               
voted against it. The vote was 2:3.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CLAMAN  announced that Conceptual  Amendment 2 failed  on a                                                               
vote of 2 yeas and 3 nays.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited a motion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:05:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR TOBIN said Conceptual Amendment 3 is not offered.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:05:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  TOBIN  indicated  that  she  does  not  support  HB  66;                                                               
however,  she said  that  she  would not  object  to its  forward                                                               
progress. She  referred to the  book, "We Keep Us  Safe: Building                                                               
Secure,  Just,  and  Inclusive Communities,"  and  explained  the                                                               
underlying premise of how to  create inclusive, healthy, and safe                                                               
communities.  She  quoted  the  book,  which  states  that,  "the                                                               
opposite of criminalization is humanization."  She opined that HB
66  increases  penalties and  systems  of  incarceration and  the                                                               
opportunity for  individuals to  become incarcerated.  She stated                                                               
that she  is not  against criminal  justice or  the rule  of law;                                                               
however,  she  expressed concern  that  HB  66 may  increase  the                                                               
duration  of  incarceration  without  the  opportunity  for  harm                                                               
restoration. She pointed  out that people make  mistakes for many                                                               
reasons and  offered examples.  She said that  Alaska has  one of                                                               
the  highest rates  of child  sexual assault  and suggested  that                                                               
this can result  in cycles of harm - which  the state continually                                                               
fails to disrupt.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  TOBIN expressed  concerns about  the sections  of HB  66                                                               
that deal with individuals struggling  with mental health issues.                                                               
She asserted that the legislature has  a duty to consider how the                                                               
complexities of incarceration  impact significant subpopulations.                                                               
She  said  that  she  fears the  unconstitutional  detainment  of                                                               
individuals without due process. She  opined that it is of utmost                                                               
importance  for   the  legislature  to  consider   how  and  when                                                               
individuals  receive  treatment.  She  referred  to  Centers  for                                                               
Disease Control  (CDC) data  that shows  an increase  in overdose                                                               
deaths  among those  recently  released  from incarceration.  She                                                               
asserted  that the  legislature  is  not doing  its  job to  help                                                               
individuals  move  through  the   processes  of  harm  reduction,                                                               
restoration, rehabilitation, and repair.  She indicated that this                                                               
is  necessary  for individuals  to  reenter  -  and thrive  in  -                                                               
communities.  She  acknowledged  that HB  66  addresses  victims'                                                               
rights; however, she asserted that  the legislature has a duty to                                                               
take  a  more  inclusive  and holistic  approach.  She  expressed                                                               
appreciation for  the effort  involved in  drafting the  SCS. She                                                               
emphasized that she cannot support HB 66 in its entirety.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:08:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited the will of the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:08:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL  moved to  report  SCS  CSHB  66, work  order  33-                                                               
GH1482\N,  from  committee  with individual  recommendations  and                                                               
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:09:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  CLAMAN  found  no  objection  and  SCS  CSHB  66(JUD)  was                                                               
reported from the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
         SB 223-ASSISTANT ADJUTANT GENERAL APPOINTMENT                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:09:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN announced  the consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 223                                                               
"An  Act relating  to the  appointment of  an assistant  adjutant                                                               
general; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:09:49 PM                                                                                                                    
ANGELA LAFLAMME, Legislative Liaison,  Department of Military and                                                               
Veterans  Affairs (DMVA),  Anchorage, Alaska,  explained that  SB
223  would expand  the pool  of potentially  qualified candidates                                                               
for  the  positions  of  assistant  adjutant  general  (ATAG)  by                                                               
changing an  existing requirement to a  preference. She explained                                                               
that ATAG  serves as  a state director  while holding  a military                                                               
designation (ATAG is commander of  both the Army and Air National                                                               
Guard). She said that there  are limited positions within the Air                                                               
National Guard that meet the  federal designation requirements to                                                               
fill these positions, and finding  candidates has been difficult.                                                               
SB 223 would remove the  language requiring five years of service                                                               
in the  Alaska National  Guard at the  time of  appointment. This                                                               
would become  a preference. She  pointed out that this  change is                                                               
consistent  with  existing  statutory  language  related  to  the                                                               
qualifications  for  the  adjutant  general,  who  appoints  ATAG                                                               
positions.  These  changes would  expand  the  candidate pool  to                                                               
include  anyone  who  meets  the  federal  requirements  for  the                                                               
position. This includes  individuals leaving active-duty military                                                               
service.  She  stated   that  DMVA  would  like   to  retain  the                                                               
preference, which  reflects the  department's intent  to continue                                                               
seeking individuals within the agency to fill these positions.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:11:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   CLAMAN   commented   on  the   difference   between   the                                                               
requirements for  the adjutant general  position (which  does not                                                               
require service  in the National  Guard) and the  ATAG positions,                                                               
(which do require previous service in the National Guard).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:11:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LAFLAMME confirmed that this interpretation is correct.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:11:42 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN invited  Ms. LaFlamme to proceed  with the sectional                                                               
analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:11:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. LAFLAMME paraphrased the following  sectional analysis for SB
223:                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                       Sectional Analysis                                                                                     
                        Senate Bill 223                                                                                       
           Assistant Adjutant General Qualifications                                                                          
                         (33-GS2609\A)                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section   1   amends   AS  26.05.180(a)   relating   to                                                                    
     headquarters  staff   of  the  Alaska   National  Guard                                                                    
     regarding   appointment   and   qualification   of   an                                                                    
     assistant adjutant general  by removing the requirement                                                                    
     for at least  five years of service in  the Alaska Army                                                                    
     National  Guard  or  Alaska   Air  National  Guard  and                                                                    
     replacing  it  with  language  providing  the  Adjutant                                                                    
     General  flexibility   when  appointing   an  assistant                                                                    
     adjutant  general   to  provide   a  preference   to  a                                                                    
     candidate with at least five years of service.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2  establishes  the  effective  date  of  this                                                                    
     legislation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:12:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL asked  what  other requirements  must  be met  for                                                               
individuals to qualify for these positions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:12:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  LAFLAMME replied  that to  be  eligible for  promotion to  a                                                               
federally   recognized   general  general-grade   officer   (i.e.                                                               
brigadier  general  or  O-7), individuals  must  be  a  federally                                                               
recognized  officer at  O-6  level, or  a  colonel. In  addition,                                                               
specific  Federal trainings,  certifications, and  board approval                                                               
are required.  Individuals must  be in  good standing.  The final                                                               
determination  for  advancing  from  O-6  to O-7  is  made  by  a                                                               
congressional delegation and approved  by Congress. She commented                                                               
that there are many federal  requirements. She stated that by the                                                               
time  individuals have  reached O-6  level, they  have much  more                                                               
than  5 years  of military  experience. SB  223 would  expand the                                                               
candidate  pool  beyond  those  who have  completed  5  years  of                                                               
experience in the Alaska National Guard.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:13:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN opened public testimony  on SB 223; finding none, he                                                               
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:14:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN solicited the will of the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
6:14:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  moved to  report SB  223, work  order 33-GS2609\A,                                                               
from committee with individual  recommendations and attached zero                                                               
fiscal note(s).                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:14:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR CLAMAN found no objection and  SB 223 was reported from the                                                               
Senate Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:14:57 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair Claman  adjourned the  Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 6:14 p.m.                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 66 Amendment Y.6.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 Amendment Y.7.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 Amendment Y.8.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66
SB 223 version A.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
SB 223
SB 223 Section Analysis version A 2.27.2024.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
SB 223
SB 223 Transmittal Letter 2.8.2024.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
SB 223
SB 223 Supporting Document - SSTA Hearing Follow Up 3.4.2024.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
SB 223
SB 223 Fiscal Note MVA-COM 1.24.2024.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
SB 223
HB 66 version N.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 Letters of Support received as of 5.6.2024.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 Amend Letter- Disability Law Center 5.1.2024.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 Letters of Opposition received as of 5.6.2024.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66
HB 66 Summary of Changes Version Y to N.pdf SJUD 5/2/2024 5:15:00 PM
HB 66