04/04/2016 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY
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| SB164 | |
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| + | SB 164 | TELECONFERENCED | |
| + | SB 108 | TELECONFERENCED | |
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 4, 2016                                                                                          
                           1:33 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator John Coghill, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Mia Costello                                                                                                            
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 12                                                                                                  
Proposing amendments to  the Constitution of the  State of Alaska                                                               
relating to the office of attorney general.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 164                                                                                                             
"An  Act   relating  to  sport  fishing,   hunting,  or  trapping                                                               
licenses,  tags, or  permits; relating  to penalties  for certain                                                               
sport   fishing,  hunting,   and  trapping   license  violations;                                                               
relating  to  restrictions  on the  issuance  of  sport  fishing,                                                               
hunting, and trapping licenses;  creating violations and amending                                                               
fines  and  restitution  for  certain  fish  and  game  offenses;                                                               
relating to commercial fishing  violations; allowing lost federal                                                               
matching  funds   from  the  Pittman   -  Robertson,   Dingell  -                                                               
Johnson/Wallop -  Breaux programs to  be included in an  order of                                                               
restitution; adding  a definition of 'electronic  form'; amending                                                               
Rule  5(a)(4),  Alaska  Rules of  Minor  Offense  Procedure;  and                                                               
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 108                                                                                                             
"An  Act  repealing and  reenacting  the  Alaska Securities  Act,                                                               
including   provisions   relating   to  exempt   securities   and                                                               
transactions; relating to registration  of securities, firms, and                                                               
agents  that  offer or  sell  securities  and investment  advice;                                                               
relating  to  administrative,  civil,  and  criminal  enforcement                                                               
provisions,  including   restitution  and  civil   penalties  for                                                               
violations; allowing  certain civil penalties  to be used  for an                                                               
investor  training fund;  establishing increased  civil penalties                                                               
for  harming  older  Alaskans;  retaining  provisions  concerning                                                               
corporations organized under the  Alaska Native Claims Settlement                                                               
Act; amending Rules  4, 5, 54, 65, and 90,  Alaska Rules of Civil                                                               
Procedure; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SJR 12                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CONST. AM: ELECTED ATTORNEY GENERAL                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) STOLTZE                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
02/06/15       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/06/15       (S)       STA, JUD, FIN                                                                                          
03/03/15       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/03/15       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/03/15       (S)       MINUTE (STA)                                                                                           
03/29/16       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/29/16       (S)       Moved SJR 12 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/29/16       (S)       MINUTE (STA)                                                                                           
03/30/16       (S)       STA RPT 4DP 1NR                                                                                        
03/30/16       (S)       DP: STOLTZE, COGHILL, HUGGINS, MCGUIRE                                                                 
03/30/16       (S)       NR: WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                       
04/04/16       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 164                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: FISH & GAME: OFFENSES; LICENSES; PENALTIES                                                                         
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/29/16       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/29/16       (S)       RES, JUD                                                                                               
02/22/16       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/22/16       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/22/16       (S)       MINUTE (RES)                                                                                           
03/04/16       (S)       RES AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
03/04/16       (S)       Moved SB 164 Out of Committee                                                                          
03/04/16       (S)       MINUTE (RES)                                                                                           
03/07/16       (S)       RES RPT 1DP 1NR 3AM                                                                                    
03/07/16       (S)       DP: GIESSEL                                                                                            
03/07/16       (S)       NR: WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                       
03/07/16       (S)       AM: COSTELLO, COGHILL, and MICCICHE                                                                    
04/04/16       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BILL STOLTZE                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Sponsor of SJR 12.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
LAURA BONNER, representing herself                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to SJR 12.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BROOKS, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                               
Alaska Department of Fish and Game (ADF&G)                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced SB 164 on behalf of the                                                                       
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR BERNARD CHASTAIN, Deputy Director                                                                                         
Alaska Wildlife Troopers                                                                                                        
Department of Public Safety (DPS)                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information related to SB 164.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
AARON PETERSON, Assistant District Attorney                                                                                     
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided supporting information related to                                                               
SB 164.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:33:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  LESIL   MCGUIRE  called  the  Senate   Judiciary  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 1:33  p.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Costello,  Coghill, Wielechowski,  and Chair                                                               
McGuire. She reviewed the agenda.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
           SJR 12-CONST. AM: ELECTED ATTORNEY GENERAL                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:33:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MCGUIRE announced the consideration of SJR 12. She asked                                                                  
Senator Stoltze to introduce his legislation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:34:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BILL  STOLTZE, Alaska State Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,                                                               
sponsor of SJR  12, said this legislation is based  on the belief                                                               
that  the attorney  general should  be an  elected position.  The                                                               
office should serve the people of  Alaska, not a body politic. He                                                               
clarified  this is  not a  reflection  on any  past, present,  or                                                               
future attorney general. It is  a systemic change he believes the                                                               
people will  embrace, given the  opportunity to  vote on it  in a                                                               
general election.  He noted  that three  members heard  this bill                                                               
very recently in the Senate State Affairs Committee.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE said he agrees  with former Governor William Egan                                                               
who said during  the Constitutional Convention: "I'm  in favor of                                                               
a strong executive branch of  government in order that the people                                                               
might ever be able to  place the finger of responsibility without                                                               
buck passing.  One office, I  feel, should most  certainly remain                                                               
elective is that of the state  attorney general. It would seem to                                                               
me that  this would  provide a safeguard  against a  strong chief                                                               
executive usurping the powers of the office."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE  opined that the  constitution is good  but would                                                               
be  stronger  and the  people  better  served  if the  chief  law                                                               
enforcement  officer  works for  the  people.  It is  within  the                                                               
governor's  power   to  obtain  his/her  own   legal  advice  and                                                               
representation. He said that is  an opinion he believes is shared                                                               
by  many.  He summarized  that  SJR  12  calls for  amending  the                                                               
Constitution of the State of  Alaska to make the attorney general                                                               
an elected position.  This would need to go before  the voters in                                                               
a general election and he believes a majority would support it.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:44:04 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  MCGUIRE noted  the chart  in the  packets showing  current                                                               
governors  and the  method of  selecting their  attorney general.                                                               
She highlighted that  just seven states have  an attorney general                                                               
that  is not  elected by  the people.  She noted  that in  six of                                                               
seven instances the governor and  the attorney general are of the                                                               
same  party. Alaska  is  the  exception. She  opined  that is  no                                                               
accident which indicates that the  office is already politicized.                                                               
She agreed  with the sponsor that  the governor has the  power to                                                               
obtain his/her own legal counsel.  She expressed concern that, at                                                               
some point,  there will not  be enough ethical space  between the                                                               
two offices.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
She expressed her desire to move the bill today.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COSTELLO asked  the sponsor to discuss  the concerns that                                                               
have been raised.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE said  some of  the  comments have  been: if  the                                                               
constitution isn't  broken don't  fix it,  the constitution  is a                                                               
perfect document,  and it would  politicize the process.  He said                                                               
he  believes he  has responded  to those  concerns, but  he can't                                                               
respond to the philosophical concerns.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO  asked if  he sees  any problem  associated with                                                               
the attorney  general trying  to raise money  for an  election at                                                               
the same  time people are  trying to  influence the outcome  of a                                                               
particular issue.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE said  he  thinks there  already  is a  political                                                               
process  at  work  under  the current  system.  He  commented  on                                                               
previous  attorneys  general,  some  of  whom  he  believes  were                                                               
outstanding.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COSTELLO  asked, of  the  states  that have  an  elected                                                               
attorney  general, was  that  process  in place  at  the time  of                                                               
statehood.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE  said he  doesn't  recall,  but the  history  is                                                               
primarily elected offices in the U.S.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:48 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COSTELLO  asked if he  would prefer the  attorney general                                                               
to be elected if he were governor.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE answered yes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:52:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if the  attorney general should  be a                                                               
nonpartisan position.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE replied  it's a  policy consideration.  He added                                                               
that in  the past he's  proposed making the person  ineligible to                                                               
run for a statewide office for a few years after serving.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO  asked if the  attorney general  currently takes                                                               
an oath.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE replied  all cabinet positions take  an oath, but                                                               
they  also  have  strong  cannons of  ethics  for  serving  their                                                               
clients.  He assumes  the constitutional  oath is  the overriding                                                               
one, but he doesn't know.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE assumed  that an elected attorney  general would be                                                               
subject to the Executive Ethics Act.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:54:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL  opined  there  probably  would  be  diminishing                                                               
authority for the governor if  the attorney general were elected.                                                               
He  encouraged the  members to  read  Federalist Number  10 as  a                                                               
reminder that  faction is a danger.  He asked the sponsor  how he                                                               
contemplates the people's attorney on the administration of law.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE  pointed out that  the attorney  general's office                                                               
has been reticent to put out  legal written opinions on the crime                                                               
bill, and he believes that  is a responsibility of the Department                                                               
of  Law. He  opined that  if the  attorney general  were elected,                                                               
they would have open public  discussions. In the area of consumer                                                               
protection he  believes an  elected attorney  general would  be a                                                               
more vigorous advocate. An elected  office removes the temptation                                                               
to protect the governor first  and perhaps overlook indiscretion.                                                               
He also mentioned initiatives that  the Department of Law doesn't                                                               
get involved in even though there  is a strong public interest to                                                               
investigate.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL offered his belief  that the attorney general has                                                               
become the  governor's attorney which strengthens  the governor's                                                               
power.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE  added that  one  attorney  general opinion  can                                                               
accomplish  something  that  takes the  legislature  many  steps.                                                               
That's a strong  power for the governor's  "legal handmaiden," he                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL said that point  was argued in the Constitutional                                                               
Convention and the attorney general's  opinion has become ex post                                                               
facto law.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:01:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   asked  if  he  envisions   this  position                                                               
residing  in  the executive  branch  and  sitting in  on  cabinet                                                               
meetings. He commented  that this seems to set  up another branch                                                               
of government.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE  said it creates  a third  constitutional officer                                                               
and  whether  or not  the  person  is  invited into  the  cabinet                                                               
meetings will be up to the  governor. He said he wouldn't call it                                                               
another  branch  of  government  any  more  than  the  lieutenant                                                               
governor is identified as such.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked if he  envisions both the governor and                                                               
the attorney  general being able  to file suits if  they disagree                                                               
on a legal matter.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE said the attorney  general would be the chief law                                                               
enforcement officer but it doesn't  diminish the governor's legal                                                               
ability. He would, however, need to  use his own attorney or seek                                                               
outside counsel. He advised that  many of these questions will be                                                               
resolved through enabling statutes.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:04:53 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE joined the meeting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked if he envisions  an additional fiscal                                                               
note because it seems that there would be a substantial cost.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE replied the division  has said it will absorb the                                                               
cost of  a constitutional amendment.  He can  envision additional                                                               
costs but it's difficult to foresee  what they would be. It would                                                               
depend on the governor and the counsel he desires.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI reviewed  the  requirements and  questioned                                                               
whether there should  be a requirement for some  experience as an                                                               
attorney before becoming attorney general.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   STOLTZE   replied   those  are   virtually   the   same                                                               
requirements  as for  other constitutional  officers, except  for                                                               
the requirement to be a member  of the Alaska Bar. He opined that                                                               
the voters will look at the qualifications.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE asked the circumstances  that Hollis French did not                                                               
meet the requirements.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE  said the Judicial  Council ruled  him ineligible                                                               
because he  had not been out  of state legislative service  for a                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  added  that  he let  his  law  license  go                                                               
inactive  and the  Judicial Council  ruled  he had  to have  been                                                               
actively practicing law for a year prior to application.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  STOLTZE said  the  people  should be  able  to make  the                                                               
decision about qualifications.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:10:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COGHILL commented  on the  current vetting  process that                                                               
gives deference to  the governor to the extent  possible. With an                                                               
elected position, the  vetting would be with the  people and thus                                                               
much broader.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  asked how  many  states  elect their  attorney                                                               
general and how many states have an appointment process.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE  said 43 states  elect their attorney  general, 2                                                               
have  an alternative  selection  process, and  5  states have  an                                                               
attorney general appointed by the chief executive.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCGUIRE asked if there were any amendments.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:12:41 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  moved Conceptual  Amendment 1 to  elect the                                                               
attorney general through a nonpartisan election.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL  objected. He opined that  a nonpartisan election                                                               
won't take  the philosophical  discussion out  of the  debate. He                                                               
said it's appropriate to give  people the opportunity to identify                                                               
with a  particular group, just  as other  constitutional officers                                                               
do.  He added  that  it  is important  to  have  an alignment  of                                                               
interests.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said  he believes people are  tired of party                                                               
politics and everything  possible should be done  to remove party                                                               
politics   from  elections.   Should  this   pass,  this   is  an                                                               
opportunity to  create a  new position  in the  constitution that                                                               
isn't affiliated with a political party.  "If the idea is to make                                                               
this less political, let's make it  less political by having it a                                                               
nonpartisan position. That makes common sense," he said.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL clarified that he did  not say party; he said you                                                               
could pick the label you want to run under.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE  asked Senator  Wielechowski  his  vision of  a                                                               
nonpartisan election.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI said  there would be no  primary; anyone who                                                               
wanted  to run  would automatically  go on  the general  election                                                               
ballot  and  individuals  wouldn't  be  identified  by  political                                                               
party.  This would  give the  voters an  opportunity to  discover                                                               
what the  individuals intend  to do if  elected. It's  a powerful                                                               
position and shouldn't be based on a political party.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE   expressed  agreement  with  the   idea  of  a                                                               
nonpartisan  election   and  concern   about  the   mechanics  of                                                               
accomplishing it.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:18:04 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:20:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MCGUIRE reconvened the meeting  and recapped the discussion                                                               
on Conceptual Amendment 1 for SJR 12.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COGHILL requested the amendment in writing.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STOLTZE concurred.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCGUIRE asked  Senator Wielechowski  if he  would withdraw                                                               
the amendment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:21:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI withdrew Amendment 1.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:21:36 PM                                                                                                                    
LAURA BONNER,  representing herself,  testified in  opposition to                                                               
SJR 12.  She said Alaskans already  have a voice; they  elect the                                                               
governor who  appoints the attorney  general. Alaskans  also have                                                               
the opportunity  to contact  legislators during  the confirmation                                                               
process if they don't agree  with the governor's appointment. She                                                               
opined  that  it   was  the  intent  of  the   delegates  of  the                                                               
Constitutional Convention that the  attorney general would be the                                                               
governor's counsel  and therefore  compatible with  the governor.                                                               
She  questioned what  branch of  government the  attorney general                                                               
would belong to and how would he/she be removed if needed.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:24:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MCGUIRE held SJR 12 in committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
       SB 164-FISH & GAME: OFFENSES; LICENSES; PENALTIES                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:24:28 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MCGUIRE announced the consideration of SB 164.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:24:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR COGHILL  moved to adopt  the CS  for SB 164,  labeled 29-                                                               
GS2958\H, as the working document.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCGUIRE announced  that without  objection,  version H  is                                                               
before the committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:25:01 PM                                                                                                                    
KEVIN BROOKS, Deputy Commissioner,  Alaska Department of Fish and                                                               
Game (ADF&G),  noted that the  four members present heard  SB 164                                                               
in the Senate Resources Committee.  He explained that the purpose                                                               
of the  legislation is to  provide Alaska Wildlife  Troopers with                                                               
the  authority to  issue correctable  citations.  The bill  would                                                               
prohibit a  person from  receiving a  sport fishing,  hunting, or                                                               
trapping  license   in  Alaska  if  their   privileges  had  been                                                               
suspended or  revoked in another  state. The bill  also increases                                                               
restitution   for  animals   harvested  illegally,   standardizes                                                               
penalties  for  offenses, and  provides  an  additional tool  for                                                               
Alaska Wildlife Troopers to charge  some wildlife, fisheries, and                                                               
habitat  offenses as  violations. Finally,  the bill  also allows                                                               
the display of a license in an electronic format.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He reviewed  the following changes between  the original, version                                                               
A, and the current, version H, for SB 164:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     1)  Page  1, line  5  adds  a  semicolon to  the  title                                                                    
     creating an  exemption from payment of  restitution for                                                                    
     certain unlawful takings of big game animals.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     2) Page  2, section 3,  line 21 removes the  words "tag                                                                    
     or permit"  from an item  that can be  correctable, and                                                                    
     removes  reference  to  the Court.  An  individual  can                                                                    
     correct a  violation at a  Department of  Public Safety                                                                    
     office.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     3) Page 5,  section 17, line 6 adds language  "and c of                                                                  
     this section" to address changes  in section 18 of this                                                                  
     bill.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     4) Page  5, section 17 lines  14-25 changes restitution                                                                    
     amounts that the court may  apply if the court feels it                                                                    
     is appropriate. These increases  represent the value of                                                                    
     the  illegally  taken  resource   to  the  citizens  of                                                                    
     Alaska.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     5) Page 5,  line 26 deleted section 17  of the original                                                                    
     bill  which  was  redundant  with  section  15  of  the                                                                    
     original bill.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     6)  Page  5, section  18,  lines  26-31 creates  a  new                                                                    
     section  that  provides  that a  court  may  not  order                                                                    
     restitution under  section 17  of this  bill in  a case                                                                    
     where a  defendant voluntarily turns themselves  in and                                                                    
     is charged  with a violation offence.  It also provides                                                                    
     that a  person must voluntarily and  immediately report                                                                    
     to  ADFG or  DPS  a violation  that  they committed  to                                                                    
     qualify for this affirmative defense.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     7) Page 6, section 24,  line 21-22 was a drafting error                                                                    
     that  was  corrected  to reflect  the  correct  statute                                                                    
     number.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     8) Page  7, line 7,  delete section 27 of  the original                                                                    
     bill related to Court Rule 5(a)(4).                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:27:53 PM                                                                                                                    
VICE CHAIR  COGHILL asked  Major Chastain if  he had  anything to                                                               
add related to the changes in version H.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:28:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MAJOR   BERNARD  CHASTAIN,   Deputy  Director,   Alaska  Wildlife                                                               
Troopers,   Department  of   Public   Safety   (DPS),  said   the                                                               
substantive changes  occur in Section  18. He offered  to address                                                               
those issues and discuss the goal of adding that language.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR COGHILL  asked him  to  discuss the  new language  in                                                               
Section  18,  the idea  of  Court  Rule 5(a)(4)  for  correctable                                                               
citations  going directly  to  DPS,  and how  the  fines will  be                                                               
implemented.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN  explained that  Sections 1 and  3 provide  that a                                                               
trooper or  law enforcement officer  who is  charged specifically                                                               
with enforcing  fish and game  laws regarding licenses  may issue                                                               
an  official correctable  citation  in instances  where a  person                                                               
forgot their license in their vehicle  or at home. They will then                                                               
have 30 days to bring their  license to any office of the issuing                                                               
agency to show proof of  licensure. The citation is corrected and                                                               
is not part of the person's record.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 18  relates to self-report  violations. It  adds language                                                               
that states  the person must  voluntarily and  immediately report                                                               
the taking to the department  and surrender all salvaged portions                                                               
of the animal.  In those instances, the court  is prohibited from                                                               
applying  the  restitution  amounts  listed in  Section  17.  The                                                               
individual is only fined for the offense.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:33:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI returned to Section  3 and asked if a person                                                               
who  received  a  citation  can  mail or  email  proof  of  their                                                               
licensure.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN replied  the process in place  for all correctable                                                               
citations  is that  the  individual must  bring  the citation  in                                                               
person to any office of the arresting or citing agency.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   commented  that   this  likely   will  be                                                               
burdensome for  some people living  in rural Alaska. He  asked if                                                               
it  would be  "a big  deal" to  allow the  individual to  mail or                                                               
email the proof.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN said  the current  process requires  the citation                                                               
itself to  be officially stamped;  that tells the court  that the                                                               
citation has been officially corrected and to pursue no action.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI wondered  if there couldn't be a  way to use                                                               
technology  to make  the process  less burdensome.  He asked  the                                                               
administration  to  take  another  look  to  see  if  that  isn't                                                               
possible.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN  said there  is likely a  way for  all correctable                                                               
citations  to  be  addressed  either   through  the  mail  or  an                                                               
electronic check-off,  but that  process isn't  in place  at this                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:36:34 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MICCICHE  directed attention  to  page  2, line  3,  and                                                               
recalled  discussion  in  the previous  committee  was  that  the                                                               
reference  in  paragraph  (1)  would be  sport  of  personal  use                                                               
fishing. Version H only references sport fishing.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN said personal use  isn't included in that section.                                                               
As previously  discussed, a  personal use permit  must be  in the                                                               
individual's possession at  the time of the take.  There are also                                                               
recording requirements  on the permit before  leaving the fishing                                                               
site. Those  are separate  violations and the  intent was  not to                                                               
make those a correctable citation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE offered his understanding  that Section 1 is not                                                               
about correctable citations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN  explained that Section  1 is the vehicle  for the                                                               
correctable citation in Section 3.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  COGHILL asked if  Section 18 can be  implemented with                                                               
the existing language.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN  said  DPS believes,  in  consultation  with  the                                                               
Department of Law,  that the language will prohibit  a judge from                                                               
imposing restitution when a  person voluntarily turns him/herself                                                               
in.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  noted that Section  18 is  about self-reporting                                                               
for  game  but  not  fish  even  though  that  was  part  of  the                                                               
discussion  in  the previous  committee.  He  questioned how  the                                                               
department would  handle a fisher being  over the line due  to an                                                               
equipment breakdown  in a commercial  fishery. His  preference is                                                               
that the  fisher would notify  the department they were  over the                                                               
line and  harvest the  fish as  opposed to  cutting the  gear. He                                                               
noted this an area of fines rather than restitution.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN said he isn't  aware of a self-reported commercial                                                               
fishing  violation other  than  when someone  calls  to report  a                                                               
mechanical  failure.  In  those   situations,  the  fisherman  is                                                               
treated  as  fairly as  possible.  There  is no  restitution  for                                                               
commercial  fishing in  this  area  but if  the  fish are  caught                                                               
illegally they're  sold and the  proceeds are held in  an account                                                               
pending the disposition from the court.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked why sport fishing  and commercial fishing                                                               
aren't  included   under  Section  18.  He   clarified  that  for                                                               
commercial fishing he is only talking about a first offense.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN  said the  short  answer  is  that there  are  no                                                               
restitution amounts in sport fishing  or commercial fishing. In a                                                               
typical case of  being over the limit in sport  fishing, the bail                                                               
schedule provides a  flat fine for the offense  and an additional                                                               
amount for each fish taken illegally.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  commented on the importance  of encouraging the                                                               
best behavior.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN said  this could  be  more clear,  but he  didn't                                                               
doesn't know how that would look.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:47:38 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  the salvaged  portions  of  the                                                               
animal discussed  in Section 18  include bear paws and  bear gall                                                               
bladders.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN  replied it is all  parts of the animal  and if an                                                               
investigation   indicated  the   parts  were   being  sold,   the                                                               
individual would not be immune from restitution.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI asked  if there is a problem  in Alaska with                                                               
trafficking  animal parts,  because  he isn't  sure the  language                                                               
provides adequate protection from that.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN  said  other  areas  of  regulation  and  statute                                                               
require salvage  of all  game meat and  applicable parts,  and he                                                               
feels  very  comfortable  that  together  they  provide  adequate                                                               
protection. With  regard to trafficking  bear parts, he  said the                                                               
problem isn't as bad as it was in the 1990s.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:50:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  mentioned the  50-inch challenge  and expressed                                                               
concern that Section  18 doesn't impose a  first-time or once-in-                                                               
five-years limit.  Without that, it eliminates  the incentive for                                                               
a hunter to be extra careful.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN  agreed that there  was a lot of  discussion about                                                               
that  issue  in  particular,  and  it came  down  to  giving  the                                                               
troopers  or the  citing agency  flexibility in  charging because                                                               
every  situation  is  different.   He  explained  that  violation                                                               
offenses are typically  charged on a first  time occurrence only,                                                               
but it's at  the discretion of the district  attorney's office or                                                               
the  charging  agency because  there  are  many reasons  a  first                                                               
offense shouldn't  be charged  as a violation.  One example  is a                                                               
call or multiple  calls from people who are  watching a violation                                                               
occur.  That scenario  is a  call  for service  meaning that  the                                                               
troopers  would  investigate  and   make  a  determination  about                                                               
whether or  not the person  intended to turn him/herself  in. The                                                               
language is vague to allow the needed flexibility.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE read the language in  Section 17 on page 5, line                                                               
12, and in Section  18 on page 5, line 27, and  asked if there is                                                               
another way to charge the illegal  taking of an animal other than                                                               
a violation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN explained  that  all these  crimes  default to  a                                                               
misdemeanor offense; 5 AAC 92  and associated regulations provide                                                               
the  ability  to  charge those  crimes  as  violations.  Whenever                                                               
someone self-reports,  they are charged with  a violation offense                                                               
instead  of a  misdemeanor. That  fine is  $500. The  language on                                                               
page 5,  line 12,  comes from  the part  of statute  dealing with                                                               
misdemeanor offenses  so the  court may order  up to  the amounts                                                               
listed on  page 5,  lines 14-25,  in restitution  for misdemeanor                                                               
offenses. Section 18  says that when the offense is  charged as a                                                               
violation, the court cannot impose restitution.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said he  shares Senator  Micciche's concern                                                               
with Section 18  because he reads the language  as mandatory, not                                                               
discretionary.  Should  the  bill   pass  as  currently  drafted,                                                               
individuals who  are now  being extremely  careful may  decide to                                                               
take  a change  because they'll  get a  free shot  if they  self-                                                               
report. The  language "voluntarily  and immediately  reported" is                                                               
also concerning  because that  could be  days later  depending on                                                               
how remote  the hunting  location happens to  be. He  pointed out                                                               
that someone could wait until they  were close to their house and                                                               
then decide not to report after  all and instead opt to keep that                                                               
undersized moose.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN said it's important  to remember that the charging                                                               
agency and the district attorney's  office have the discretion to                                                               
decide  when  to  charge  as a  violation.  He  deferred  further                                                               
comment to Mr. Peterson.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:57:30 PM                                                                                                                    
AARON PETERSON,  Assistant District Attorney,  Criminal Division,                                                               
Department of Law, Anchorage, Alaska,  said Section 18 is talking                                                               
about a case where a  person voluntarily turns him/herself in and                                                               
the  court being  unable to  issue an  order to  pay restitution.                                                               
However, if  it's somebody who does  this year after year  or for                                                               
other reasons  the Department  of Law  decided to  treat it  as a                                                               
misdemeanor, the potential  fine is $10,000 per  offense and loss                                                               
of  hunting privileges  for  an extended  period  of time.  These                                                               
penalties are  much more  substantial than  restitution, although                                                               
restitution is  important as evidenced  by the numbers  listed in                                                               
Section 17.  To zero in  on that  alone misses the  greater point                                                               
that  somebody who  decides to  shoot a  30-inch moose  and claim                                                               
they  thought it  was  50 inches,  isn't going  to  get off.  The                                                               
Department of Law takes this  seriously and when an offense needs                                                               
to be treated as a misdemeanor it is.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PETERSON pointed  out that  while the  language "voluntarily                                                               
and immediately"  is somewhat subjective,  it is one of  the many                                                               
places in criminal law where a determination has to be made.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  commented  that  he  has  a  long-standing                                                               
concern about leaving too much  discretion to prosecutors; that's                                                               
the job of the legislature.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE expressed increased  satisfaction as a result of                                                               
the  discussion.   He  summarized  his  understanding   that  the                                                               
prosecutor would be more likely  to charge with a misdemeanor and                                                               
require restitution on a subsequent offense.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR CHASTAIN  agreed with  the summary and  advised that  it is                                                               
rare for a person who self-reports to violate a second time.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE said  he's ready to let go of  his concern about                                                               
the  subjective  use  of  prosecution  with  assurance  that  the                                                               
department  "has been  fairly pure  in the  prosecution of  these                                                               
cases." He asked Major Chastain what his experience has been.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MAJOR  CHASTAIN confirmed  that the  Wildlife Troopers  statewide                                                               
work very  closely with  the district  attorney offices.  DPS has                                                               
policies  and  procedures in  place  and  the troopers  are  well                                                               
informed   on   how  to   follow   those   policies  and   charge                                                               
appropriately with the district attorney's assistance.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:04:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BROOKS  informed the committee  that the  restitution amounts                                                               
have been raised  50 percent and the companion bill  in the House                                                               
raises some  of those higher  yet. The House  Resources committee                                                               
thought the  amounts ought to be  higher to reflect the  value of                                                               
the animals.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:05:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR MCGUIRE stated she would hold SB 164 in committee.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
She noted  that SB 108 would  be heard on Wednesday  under "Bills                                                               
Previously Heard/Scheduled."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:06:03 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair McGuire  adjourned the Senate Judiciary  Standing Committee                                                               
meeting at 3:06 p.m.