Legislature(2021 - 2022)BUTROVICH 205

04/14/2021 01:30 PM JUDICIARY

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01:48:48 PM Start
01:49:50 PM Confirmation Hearing(s)
02:14:51 PM SB122
02:47:03 PM SJR1
02:52:26 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+ Consideration of Governor's Appointees: TELECONFERENCED
Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission
Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar
*+ SB 122 VICTIM DEFINITION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+= SJR 1 CONST AM: GUARANTEE PERM FUND DIVIDEND TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSJR 1(JUD) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 14, 2021                                                                                         
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MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lora Reinbold, Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Mike Shower, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
Senator Robert Myers                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar                                                                                          
William Granger - Anchorage                                                                                                     
Ricardo "Rick" Castillo- Anchorage                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission                                                                                      
Deirdre Ford - Anchorage                                                                                                        
Amy Steele - Anchorage                                                                                                          
James Rhodes - Ketchikan                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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SENATE BILL NO. 122                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to the definition of 'victim.'"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 1                                                                                                   
Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State of Alaska                                                                 
relating to the Alaska permanent fund and appropriations from                                                                   
the Alaska permanent fund.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSJR 1(JUD) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 122                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: VICTIM DEFINITION                                                                                                  
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) REINBOLD                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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04/07/21       (S)       JUD                                                                                                    
04/14/21       (S)       JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SJR 1                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: CONST AM: GUARANTEE PERM FUND DIVIDEND                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
01/22/21       (S)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/8/21                                                                                

01/22/21 (S) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS

01/22/21 (S) STA, JUD, FIN 02/09/21 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 02/09/21 (S) Heard & Held 02/09/21 (S) MINUTE(STA) 02/11/21 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 02/11/21 (S) Scheduled but Not Heard 03/02/21 (S) STA AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 03/02/21 (S) Moved SJR 1 Out of Committee 03/02/21 (S) MINUTE(STA) 03/03/21 (S) STA RPT 2NR 1AM 03/03/21 (S) NR: SHOWER, REINBOLD 03/03/21 (S) AM: KAWASAKI 03/24/21 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 03/24/21 (S) Scheduled but Not Heard 03/29/21 (S) JUD AT 1:00 PM BUTROVICH 205 03/29/21 (S) Heard & Held 03/29/21 (S) MINUTE(JUD) 04/07/21 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 04/07/21 (S) Heard & Held 04/07/21 (S) MINUTE(JUD) 04/09/21 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 04/09/21 (S) Heard & Held 04/09/21 (S) MINUTE(JUD) 04/14/21 (S) JUD AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205 WITNESS REGISTER RICARDO "RICK" CASTILLO, Appointee Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar Office of the Governor Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar. WILLIAM GRANGER, Appointee Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar Office of the Governor Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar. JAMES RHODES, Appointee Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DOLWD) Ketchikan, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission. AMY STEELE, Appointee Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DOLWD) Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission. DEIDRE FORD, Appointee Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DOLWD) Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified as appointee to the Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission. KELLI TOTH, Staff Senator Lora Reinbold Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the sponsor statement for SB 122 on behalf of the sponsor. TAYLOR WINSTON, Executive Director Office of Victims' Rights Legislative Affairs Agency Anchorage, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 122. KATIE BOTZ, representing self Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of SB 122. SONJA KAWASAKI, Staff Senator Bill Wielechowski Alaska State Legislature Juneau, Alaska POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on behalf of Senator Wielechowski, the sponsor of SJR 1. ACTION NARRATIVE 1:48:48 PM CHAIR LORA REINBOLD called the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee meeting to order at 1:48 p.m. Present at the call to order were Senators Kiehl, Myers, Hughes, Shower, and Chair Reinbold. ^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S) CONFIRMATION HEARING(S) Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar 1:49:50 PM CHAIR REINBOLD announced the consideration of Governor Appointees to Boards and Commissions. 1:50:24 PM RICARDO "RICK" CASTILLO, Appointee, Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar, Office of the Governor, Anchorage, Alaska, stated that in 2007 he was stationed at Fort Richardson, assigned to the U.S. Army 426 Airborne Brigade Combat Team. In 2011, he served in the Alaska National Guard while attending the University of Alaska. He has worked in several industries, including transportation distribution, oil and gas and telecommunications. He has participated in the Alaska Humanities Forum, Leadership Anchorage, Northern Lights PTA, and the Hillside Rotary Club. He said he ran for the South Anchorage District 6 Anchorage Assembly seat but was defeated. He would like to serve on the Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar because the Bar Association establishes the curriculum that provides credentials for attorneys and allows them to practice law in the state. He offered his belief that attorneys should be fully vetted to ensure trustworthiness since bad actors could reduce consumer confidence in law. He offered his view that he will serve as a public member in an unbiased manner and represent the diversity of Alaskans to help formulate best practices for the Alaska Bar. 1:54:13 PM SENATOR SHOWER joined the meeting. 1:54:20 PM SENATOR KIEHL asked for a description of the work he did with COVID Secure. MR. CASTILLO stated that he has a consulting firm and he worked with COVID Secure, LLC to provide development and information technology (IT) to further expand and better formulate efficient solutions. SENATOR KIEHL asked for the purpose of the application. MR. CASTILLO responded that the COVID Secure "app" is used to power the travel portal for the State of Alaska. It is also used in the health care industry as an electronic health record application that allows clinicians throughout the U.S. to provide vaccinations optimally and efficiently. SENATOR KIEHL asked for more details on his lobbying efforts and to disclose his clients. MR. CASTILLO answered that he did not formally work as a lobbyist. He said he worked on bills to advocate on behalf of veterans issues or supply chain solutions. SENATOR KIEHL said he did not see a lobbyist registration. MR. CASTILLO agreed he is not a registered lobbyist in Alaska. 1:56:43 PM SENATOR SHOWER asked whether he has any conflicts, arrests, or convictions to disclose, if he has any "skeletons in his closet" that could create an ethical conflict and if he has reviewed the state ethics policy. MR. CASTILLO answered he has no such problems. 1:57:24 PM CHAIR REINBOLD referred to the travel portal and COVID Secure app. She asked if he had a contract with the state. MR. CASTILLO answered that it was a state contract. He said he is not the chief executive officer of COVID Secure so it was not a contract he initiated. CHAIR REINBOLD asked if he was being paid as an employee. MR. CASTILLO answered yes. 1:58:21 PM CHAIR REINBOLD expressed concern with an item on his resume that stated that he enforced safe classroom routines consistent with parameters guided from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). She said she assumed that included enforcing wearing masks and social distancing. MR. CASTILLO, after first clarifying the question, said he provided COVID-19 testing that may be required for students to enter Anchorage School District classrooms after travel. CHAIR REINBOLD asked if students were being tested. MR. CASTILLO answered that the Anchorage School District requires students provide a negative COVID-19 test after travel. CHAIR REINBOLD asked if he was involved with mask enforcement and social distancing. MR. CASTILLO responded that the Anchorage School District dictates policy related to COVID-19. CHAIR REINBOLD asked for details on enforcing safe classroom routines. 2:00:16 PM MR. CASTILLO answered that substitute teachers in the Anchorage School District must follow the district's current policies and regulations. 2:00:52 PM WILLIAM GRANGER, Appointee, Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar, Office of the Governor, Anchorage, Alaska, stated he is a lifelong Alaskan. He has served on the Board of Governors for about 20 years. He has primarily served as a treasurer and he has been actively involved in the financial area. He enjoys the intellectual challenges serving as one of three public members on the board. He has always been fascinated by the law. He said he finds the Board of Governors' role to be an important one. The board has a 25 per cent turnover each year. This year the board also lost its longtime executive director. He offered his view that he provides an important role by providing continuity to the board in terms of consistently applying rules and practices with the guidance of the Alaska Supreme Court. He also helps provide financial stability. He noted that the bar has gone a long time without raising its dues and recently purchased the building it previously leased. He anticipated that will result in substantial savings to membership for many years. He said he looks forward to tackling additional financial matters that will come before the board. 2:04:51 PM SENATOR SHOWER asked whether he has any conflicts, arrests, or convictions to disclose, if he has any "skeletons in his closet" that could create an ethical conflict and if he has reviewed the state ethics policy. 2:05:28 PM MR. GRANGER said he has read the state ethics policy and does not have any issues or pending criminal issues. He offered his view that there is nothing in his background that would cause embarrassment. 2:06:35 PM JAMES RHODES, Appointee, Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission, Department of Labor and Workforce Development, Ketchikan, Alaska, stated he has served on the commission since 2012. He offered his view that there is great value in the experience one gains in serving. He said he would like to continue to serve on the commission and use his experience on behalf of Alaskans. 2:07:18 PM SENATOR SHOWER asked whether he has any conflicts, arrests, or convictions to disclose, if he has any "skeletons in his closet" that could create an ethical conflict and if he has reviewed the state ethics policy. MR. RHODES answered that he has read the state ethics laws. He stated that he has nothing in his past that would be of any concern related to his appointment to serve on the commission. 2:08:01 PM AMY STEELE, Appointee, Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission, Department of Labor and Workforce Development, Anchorage, Alaska, stated she has served as an employer representative on the commission since June 2019. She stated that she has an extensive work history in workers' compensation, which is unique and allows her to bring beneficial knowledge to the commission. She previously served as an industry member on the Workers' Compensation Board from 2011 until 2019. She brings over 20 years of experience in insurance risk management to the commission, specifically in workers' compensations. She said she also had the opportunity to oversee and manage claims throughout the U.S. and oversees, giving her a wide range of knowledge about multi-jurisdictional workers' compensation law. She stated that she currently works for the Chenega Corporation overseeing workers' compensation and assisting their employees with the process for workers' compensation benefits. MS. STEELE answered the questions Senator Shower asked of appointees. She said that she was familiar with the state's ethic policies and does not have any criminal or civil convictions. She commented that she does not have any "skeletons in her closet" or anything that would be of any concern. 2:09:51 PM DEIDRE FORD, Appointee, Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission, Department of Labor and Workforce Development (DOLWD), Anchorage, Alaska, stated that she was appointed in 2016 to serve as the Chair of the commission by Governor Walker. She was reappointed in 2019 by Governor Dunleavy. She came to Alaska in 1978 and considers Alaska to be her home. After graduating from law school, she served in private practice from 1985 to 2009, primarily representing employers in workers' compensation cases. In February 2009, she became a hearing officer for the Alaska Workers' Compensation Board. She said she has thoroughly enjoyed serving on the board and the commission. She said she finds workers' compensation work enlightening and informing and she serves with excellent commissioners. She characterized the commission's staff as an outstanding employee. MS. FORD said that she has read the ethics rules, including the state's ethics policies, administrative law judge ethics and the court ethics. She stated that she does not have any "skeletons in her closet" that she would be embarrassed about and has no pending charges or convictions. She said that she would like to continue to serve on the commission. 2:12:31 PM CHAIR REINBOLD opened public testimony on the appointees and after first determining no one wished to testify, closed public testimony on the confirmation hearings for William Granger, Ricardo "Rick" Castillo, Deidre Ford, Amy Steele and James Rhodes. 2:12:47 PM SENATOR SHOWER stated that in accordance with AS 39.05.080, the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee reviewed the following and recommends the appointments be forwarded to a joint session for consideration: Board of Governors of the Alaska Bar William Granger - Anchorage Ricardo "Rick" Castillo - Anchorage Workers' Compensation Appeals Commission Deirdre Ford - Anchorage Amy Steele - Anchorage James Rhodes - Ketchikan Signing the reports regarding appointments to boards and commissions in no way reflects individual members' approval or disapproval of the appointees; the nominations are merely forwarded to the full legislature for confirmation or rejection. 2:13:25 PM At ease SB 122-VICTIM DEFINITION 2:14:51 PM CHAIR REINBOLD reconvened the meeting and announced the consideration of SENATE BILL NO. 122, "An Act relating to the definition of 'victim.'" 2:15:27 PM KELLI TOTH, Staff, Senator Lora Reinbold, Alaska State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, on behalf of the sponsor, paraphrased the sponsor statement: SB122 is a bill that removes the word "adult" before the word "child" in the definition in AS 12.55.185 (C ii). By removing the word adult, the definition of a victim will include a child of a person who has been a victim of a crime when a parent or guardian is deceased. SB122 will ensure victim rights for a child of a deceased parent or guardian. She explained that this will allow a child to participate in the case in the same way as the victims could if they were not deceased. She stated that the bill has a zero fiscal note. 2:16:50 PM MS. TOTH provided the sectional analysis. The bill consists of one section. On page 2, line 1, subparagraph (ii), the language "an adult" is deleted and "a" is inserted. It would then read: (ii) a child, parent, brother, sister, grandparent, or grandchild of the deceased; or 2:17:45 PM CHAIR REINBOLD turned to invited testimony. 2:18:05 PM TAYLOR WINSTON, Executive Director, Office of Victims' Rights, Legislative Affairs Agency, Anchorage, Alaska, stated she noticed the disparity in the treatment of children of victims of crimes. This became an issue in a case, which was later resolved. However, it highlighted the difficulty minor children of a crime victim can encounter because as minors, they are precluded from constitutional and statutory rights when their parent is the victim of an offense. The definition in statute does not list an age qualifier for the adult child, parent, brother, sister, grandparent, or grandchild of the victim of a crime. A minor spouse or child couldn't give a victim statement or receive restitution or other rights given to crime victims in the state. She referred to the definition of victim under AS 12.55.185 (19). Subparagraph (C) pertains to a victim of a crime who died. If that person had a sister and a minor child, the sister would be entitled to rights but not the minor child. This bill will make it equitable, she said. 2:20:20 PM SENATOR KIEHL pointed out a possible unintended consequence. He said the language in AS 12.55.185(19)(C) refers to "one of the following." He asked if a situation could arise in which a homicide victim has a very young minor child who could not give a meaningful victim impact statement or participate in parole hearings or other matters that a victim would be entitled to. MS. WINSTON responded that could be the situation for all victims. For example, it is possible an adult child or brother of a homicide victim could be incompetent and therefore not able to use the law and the protections in the same way others could. This bill will ensure that barriers are not erected because of someone's age. She pointed out that very small children often want to participate and most courts will allow them to participate. She noted that an adult, such as a guardian or guardian ad litem usually will represent the child. 2:23:18 PM SENATOR KIEHL suggested that an amendment might be necessary to clarify that a child is entitled to participate in matters as the child of a victim [identified in subparagraph (A)]. 2:23:47 PM CHAIR REINBOLD suggested that he could work with her office on any amendments. 2:23:55 PM SENATOR SHOWER asked whether AS 12.55.185(19)(C)(iii) would provide the safety net. MS. WINSTON said the language, "adult child" became a point of litigation in which a teenage child of a mother who was murdered was not being able to avail herself of her crime victim's rights due to her age. She stated that she argued in pleadings that the court had the discretion to use the language "any other person" in AS 12.55.185(19)(C)(iii). However, the court declined to do so. Currently, a grandchild of a murder victim would have more rights than the victim's minor child. She said that from a victim's right perspective, she found that to be offensive. 2:25:42 PM SENATOR HUGHES referred to page 1, line 12, to AS 12.55.185(19)(C), which allows sub-subparagraph (i), (ii), or (iii) to be used. She asked what would happen if a minor aged 17 was married to the dead victim. She asked if "one of the following" should be changed to "any one of the following." She referred to page 1, line 10, to AS 12.55.185(19(B)(ii), which uses the language "adult child." She asked if that language should also be changed to include a minor child. SENATOR HUGHES restated her question. MS. WINSTON agreed. She opined that it was not the intention of the law to limit an opportunity for a dead victim's close relatives listed in sub-subparagraph (ii) to attend a hearing or receive restitution to one person. She referred to line 12, AS 12.55.185(19)(C), and suggested it would be better to use "any one of the following" rather than "one of the following." She said that AS 12.55.185(19)(B) uses the language "one of the following,". However, if the homicide victim, as specified by subparagraph (A), was a minor, incompetent or incapacitated, subparagraph (B) relates to (A). She acknowledged that a situation could arise in which a minor parent becomes a victim of a crime. However, she offered her belief that in that situation the minor child would already be covered. She explained that AS 12.55.185(19(C) relates to homicide victims, and lists people who are considered as victims entitled to participate in hearings or receive compensation. AS 12.55.185(19)(B) pertains to situations in which the victim of a crime was a minor, incompetent, or incapacitated. Subparagraph (B) would allow a spouse, parent, adult child, guardian, or custodian of that victim of a crime to receive compensation as a victim or to participate in parole hearings or other matters. 2:30:23 PM SENATOR HUGHES referred to page 1, line 7 of SB 122. She said that subparagraph (B) pertains to subparagraph (A), the person against whom an offense has been perpetrated that is also a minor, incompetent, or incapacitated. She said the mentally disabled victim, who is alive, could also have a minor child who is affected. She suggested that sub-subparagraph (ii) should not read "adult child." MS. WINSTON said she understood her concern. She said that if the committee wanted to expand the definition of victims, it could do so. She explained that the difference between AS 12.55.185(19)(B) and AS 12.55.185(19)(C) is that the direct victim is dead in subparagraph (C). Therefore, it provides a list of people who can be recognized as victims. In subparagraph (B), the victim is not dead but may be under 18, mentally challenged, or in a coma. In that instance, it provides for a person who is related to come before the court to speak on behalf of the incompetent victim of a crime. She acknowledged that the list of people being identified in subparagraph (B) could be expanded by including minor children but it would considerably expand the definition. 2:32:48 PM SENATOR HUGHES characterized this as an important policy decision because the child of a homicide victim could come before the court to testify on how they are impacted. The parent will be gone forever. SENATOR HUGHES pointed out that the parent who was victimized but not killed may be disabled or in a coma. In that case, the child may be living with the disabled parent. She asked why that child would not be allowed to come before the court, too. MS. WINSTON responded that she is not saying that could not be done. One might ask if the parent, brother, sister, grandparent, or grandchild of the incapacitated victim should also have those same opportunities under subparagraph (B). She said she is all for as many people who are victimized to have opportunities to participate in the process but it will potentially expand the notification on all things and increase the fiscal note. 2:35:22 PM CHAIR REINBOLD reminded members that SB 122 only changes the language from "an adult child" to "a child" in sub-sub paragraph (C) on page 2, line 1. MS. WINSTON agreed. 2:35:47 PM SENATOR KIEHL interpreted subparagraph (B) to mean that the direct victim is not legally able to speak. In subparagraph (C) the direct victim cannot physically participate because the direct victim is deceased. He offered his view that people who could speak on their behalf should be similar. He said he was not inclined to open the list up to everyone. However, he said he thinks it makes sense to have an adult give the victim impact statement when the direct victim is disabled and unable to speak on their behalf. It makes great sense to expand sub-subparagraph (ii) to include a minor child. He hoped these suggestions would accomplish the intent of the bill, which is good. He said it makes sense to have one adult acting as the direct victim's spokesperson in parole hearings or other proceedings such as the modification of sentencing process. He said he did not want to dramatically increase the fiscal note. 2:37:45 PM MS. WINSTON said she was unsure of the changes to be made. SENATOR KIEHL stated that he would like to work on this language with the sponsor. 2:38:32 PM SENATOR MYERS related his understanding that subparagraph (B) would establish a guardianship for the victim of a crime who is still alive. While he understood Senator Hughes' concern that the direct victim is not the only victim, he was hesitant to expand the bill to multiple people without first considering all of the victim's rights in Alaska. If an incapacitated crime victim did not have an obvious guardian, such as a parent or spouse, the court would appoint one. He suggested that [subparagraph (B) should not be changed. 2:39:54 PM SENATOR HUGHES stated that the committee needs clarification whether this pertains to victims who can submit an impact statement, victims who will act as guardians, and victims who will be eligible for restitution. She said the committee has been discussing victims providing impact statements before the court. She asked if that person will be eligible for restitution or if this relates to assigning guardianship. MS. WINSTON said the change in SB 122 to sub-subparagraph (ii) was to allow a child of a homicide victim to have all the crime victim rights. Those rights do not pertain to guardianship. It would go beyond providing an impact statement. For example, it would include whether the 15-year-old child wants to be in the in the courtroom during the trial or is entitled to some type of restitution. It may pertain to some type of privacy right, such as a defense attorney seeking private records, such as counseling or school records. She stated that there are a whole host of victims' rights that a child of a homicide victim could not participate in or have access. She highlighted that the case she previously mentioned was that a child wanted to be in the courtroom to observe proceedings but was not allowed to do so since the dead victim's child was not an adult. 2:43:13 PM CHAIR REINBOLD stated that the goal of the bill was to allow a child to have rights. 2:44:09 PM CHAIR REINBOLD opened public testimony on SB 122. 2:44:26 PM KATIE BOTZ, representing self, Juneau, Alaska, stated her full support of SB 122. She asked members to be mindful that victims include children and minors should have the right to decide to attend or not attend court proceedings, especially if they have been victimized. She recommended that the bill not be opened up to everyone. 2:46:28 PM CHAIR REINBOLD closed public testimony on SB 122. [SB 122 was held in committee.] SJR 1-CONST AM: GUARANTEE PERM FUND DIVIDEND 2:47:03 PM CHAIR REINBOLD reconvened the meeting and announced the consideration of SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 1, Proposing amendments to the Constitution of the State of Alaska relating to the Alaska permanent fund and appropriations from the Alaska permanent fund. 2:47:44 PM SONJA KAWASAKI, Staff, Senator Bill Wielechowski, Alaska State Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, stated that Senator Wielechowski appreciated the committee's support of SJR 1. 2:48:19 PM SENATOR SHOWER commented that it is time to take action on the Permanent Fund Dividend, whether it is passing SJR 1, which will force the legislature to reductions and a spending cap or institute taxes. He said he wants the record to reflect that the legislature understands this. 2:49:36 PM SENATOR HUGHES said it is important to move this resolution to the Senate Finance Committee. She has long not supported a constitutional amendment because it will constrain the legislature. However, this issue has become a political focal point. It has slowed the legislative process down. She offered her support to come up with a decisive solution in the Alaska Constitution. She offered her support to pass SJR 1 out of committee. 2:50:14 PM SENATOR KIEHL acknowledged the sponsor's work. He agreed that ultimately the state needs to place a constitutionalized permanent fund dividend before the voters. He emphasized that he has ongoing concerns about the formula in SJR 1. He committed to work with the sponsor as the resolution moves through the process. He said he will not object to moving SJR 1 from committee. 2:50:49 PM CHAIR REINBOLD emphasized her desire to allow the people to vote on the permanent fund dividend formula in SJR 1. 2:51:07 PM SENATOR SHOWER moved to report SJR 1, work order 32-LS0015\A, as amended, from committee with individual recommendations and attached fiscal note(s). There being no objection, CSSJR 1(JUD) was reported from the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee. 2:52:26 PM There being no further business to come before the committee, Chair Reinbold adjourned the Senate Judiciary Standing Committee meeting at 2:52 p.m.

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