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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
      SENATE HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                    
                         March 11, 2025                                                                                         
                           3:30 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Forrest Dunbar, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Cathy Giessel, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Senator Matt Claman                                                                                                             
Senator Shelley Hughes                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Löki Tobin                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 121                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to settlement of health insurance claims;                                                                      
relating to allowable charges for health care services or                                                                       
supplies; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 122                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to insurance; establishing standards for health                                                                
insurance provider networks; and providing for an effective                                                                     
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 121                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HEALTH INSURANCE ALLOWABLE CHARGES                                                                                 
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) GIESSEL BY REQUEST                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
03/05/25       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/05/25       (S)       HSS, L&C                                                                                               
03/11/25       (S)       HSS AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 122                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: HEALTH INSURANCE NETWORK STANDARDS                                                                                 
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) GIESSEL BY REQUEST                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
03/05/25       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/05/25       (S)       HSS, L&C                                                                                               
03/11/25       (S)       HSS AT 3:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JANE CONWAY, Staff                                                                                                              
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided the sectional analysis for SB 121.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY DAVIS, Principal                                                                                                        
Weston Group Consulting LLC                                                                                                     
Wenatchee, Washington                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided a presentation on SB 121, 80th                                                                   
Percentile Replacement.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
LORI WING-HEIER, Director                                                                                                       
Division of Insurance                                                                                                           
Alaska Department of Commerce,                                                                                                  
Community and Economic Development                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 121.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JANE CONWAY, Staff                                                                                                              
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided the sectional analysis for SB 122.                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY DAVIS, Principal                                                                                                        
Weston Group Consulting LLC                                                                                                     
Wenatchee, Washington                                                                                                           
POSITION STATEMENT: Provided a presentation on SB 122, Provider                                                               
Network Minimum Standards for Health Insurers.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:30:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR  called  the  Senate  Health  and  Social  Services                                                               
Standing Committee meeting  to order at 3:30 p.m.  Present at the                                                               
call to  order were Senators  Giessel, Hughes, Claman,  and Chair                                                               
Dunbar.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
           SB 121-HEALTH INSURANCE ALLOWABLE CHARGES                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:31:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR announced  the consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 121                                                               
"An  Act  relating  to settlement  of  health  insurance  claims;                                                               
relating  to  allowable  charges  for  health  care  services  or                                                               
supplies; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:31:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL speaking  as sponsor introduced SB  121. She said                                                               
the bill  establishes minimum reimbursement rates  for healthcare                                                               
services.  The  repeal  of  the 80th  percentile  rule  that  was                                                               
originally  removed  because  it incentivized  inflated  charges,                                                               
left no reimbursement  floor in place. As a  result, insurers now                                                               
control  reimbursement levels,  and providers  have little  to no                                                               
leverage in negotiations, which  is causing significant strain on                                                               
healthcare practices.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:33:59 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  stated  that   providers  report  insurers  are                                                               
lowering  reimbursement rates,  refusing to  renew contracts,  or                                                               
offering flat  or declining payments that  threaten the viability                                                               
of clinical  practices. SB 121  aims to fix this  by establishing                                                               
consistent,  fair reimbursement  standards to  protect access  to                                                               
care and  stabilize providers  and patients  financially. Falling                                                               
reimbursement rates lead to balance billing or "surprise bills"                                                                 
and higher out-of-pocket costs, further reducing access to care.                                                                
Practice  costs  are  rising  sharply,  including  a  47  percent                                                               
increase in  support-staff expenses since 2016,  while Medicare's                                                               
physician fee schedule  has fallen 33 percent over  20 years. She                                                               
said insurers use low out-of-network  rates to push down contract                                                               
rates, forcing some clinicians to close their practices.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GIESSEL  said SB  121 directs  the insurance  director to                                                               
set  statistically  credible,  market-based standards  using  the                                                               
most  current 12  months of  Alaska  charge data.  Reimbursements                                                               
must meet at least the statewide  75th percentile of charges or a                                                               
minimum  of  450 percent  of  the  Medicare fee  schedule.  These                                                               
standards will be audited periodically,  and insurers must update                                                               
rates every three  to five years. The 450 percent  floor is based                                                               
on prior  consulting analysis indicating that  level is necessary                                                               
to keep primary care practices viable.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:39:04 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  stated  that  the   full  repeal  of  the  80th                                                               
percentile rule was  a positive step, but  policymakers failed to                                                               
set a reimbursement floor to  keep clinicians financially viable.                                                               
She  stated that  its  clear adjustments  are  needed after  four                                                               
years  without that  safeguard.  Clinicians  are struggling,  and                                                               
establishing a  minimum reimbursement  standard is now  an urgent                                                               
policy correction.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:40:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR asked whether the  80th percentile rule was repealed                                                               
one year ago or four years ago.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:40:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL stated  her belief that the  repeal occurred more                                                               
than one year ago.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:40:26 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN said  his recollection was unclear  but stated his                                                               
belief  that a  lawsuit was  filed over  the repeal  of the  80th                                                               
percentile rule. He asked for an update on the status.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:40:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL replied  that a hearing on that  lawsuit was held                                                               
about two  weeks ago. She said  she has an invited  testifier who                                                               
can speak to the lawsuit status in more detail.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:41:10 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES  noted  that  the  sponsor  statement  references                                                               
reimbursements  set  at  the statewide  75th  percentile  or  450                                                               
percent of Centers of Medicaid/Medicare  Services (CMS) rates and                                                               
asked  whether  this applies  only  to  primary  care or  to  all                                                               
charges.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:41:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  replied  that  450 percent  of  Medicare  (CMS)                                                               
minimum applies  to all  charges. She  added that,  while primary                                                               
care costs  are lower than specialties  like orthopedics, primary                                                               
care is  the entry point to  the healthcare system and  the group                                                               
she is most concerned about supporting.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:42:12 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  asked whether the  450 percent floor is  based on                                                               
Medicaid rates or Medicare rates.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:42:23 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  replied  that  the 450  percent  floor  is  for                                                               
Medicare.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:42:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES said  she has  followed Alaska's  high healthcare                                                               
costs and  supported repealing the  80th percentile  rule because                                                               
it  contributed to  rising prices.  Historically, Alaska's  costs                                                               
were  only  slightly  above  the  Lower 48,  but  once  the  80th                                                               
percentile  rule  took  effect,  charges  steadily  increased  as                                                               
providers  collectively raised  their rates  to stay  in the  top                                                               
tier.  She is  worried  that setting  reimbursement  at the  75th                                                               
percentile could create similar  upward pressure, causing charges                                                               
to rise again.  While she understands the need for  a 450 percent                                                               
Medicare  floor  to  keep  primary  care  practices  viable,  she                                                               
prefers  allowing  the free  market  to  rebalance costs  and  is                                                               
concerned  SB  121 would  recreate  the  same problems  the  80th                                                               
percentile rule caused.  She asked why the  75th percentile would                                                               
avoid those issues.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:45:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL replied that some  questions are better addressed                                                               
by the invited  testifier but clarified that  the 75th percentile                                                               
refers to the  level at which the 75th highest  charges fall, not                                                               
what  75  percent  of  clinicians charge.  Unlike  the  old  80th                                                               
percentile  rule, which  used geographic  regions, this  standard                                                               
applies statewide. She  noted the prior system  might have worked                                                               
better  if  Washington State  data  had  been included,  as  many                                                               
patients already traveled  out of state for  lower-cost care. She                                                               
explained  that  large  specialty  groups,  like  cardiology  and                                                               
orthopedics, merged  and collectively set high  charges under the                                                               
80th  percentile model.  She emphasized  that SB  121 covers  all                                                               
clinicians,  not just  physicians.  She said  while she  supports                                                               
free-market principles,  she argued  that true  market conditions                                                               
do  not   exist  in  healthcare   because  insurers   also  exert                                                               
significant  power and  often refuse  to reimburse  clinicians at                                                               
sustainable levels or fail to  renew contracts, pushing providers                                                               
out  of network  and  forcing  patients to  pay  cash. A  minimum                                                               
reimbursement standard is needed to correct this imbalance.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:49:08 PM                                                                                                                    
JANE  CONWAY,   Staff,  Senator   Cathy  Giessel,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, provided  the sectional analysis for                                                               
SB 121:                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
                   Sectional Analysis (vsn N)                                                                                 
       "An Act relating to settlement of health insurance                                                                       
     claims; relating to allowable charges for health care                                                                      
      services or supplies; and providing for an effective                                                                      
                             date."                                                                                             
     Section 1.  Amends AS 21.36  Trade Practices  and Fraud                                                                
     Adds   new   section   21.36.497  that   outlines   the                                                                  
     following:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   ? For  an out-of-network  provider  the  director of  the                                                                    
     Division  of  Insurance  shall set  in  regulation  the                                                                    
     standards  an  insurer  must   use  in  considering  an                                                                    
     allowable charge                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   ? The   director  will   require  the   insurer  to   use                                                                    
     statistically   credible   methodology   to   set   the                                                                    
     allowable charge.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   ? The charges must  be based on current  data of provider                                                                    
     charges  over a  12-month  period and  cannot vary  for                                                                    
     different parts of the state.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   ? The  allowable charge  may not  be less  than the  75th                                                                    
     percentile of the  charges as defined by  the CPT code;                                                                    
     however, the director may set  an allowable charge at a                                                                    
     higher percentile.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   ? For primary  care providers, the allowable  charge must                                                                    
     be the greater  of the allowable charge  or 450 percent                                                                    
     of  the  current  CMS  fee  schedule  at  the  time  of                                                                    
     delivery.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   ? The director  shall periodically audit  the methodology                                                                    
     used  by the  insurer in  setting the  allowable charge                                                                    
     and  should do  this at  least every  5 years,  but not                                                                    
     more often than every 3 years.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
   ? An   insurer   must   uniformly   and   equally   apply                                                                    
     reimbursement rates  to any provider  practicing within                                                                    
     the scope of their license  for same services under the                                                                    
     same CPT code adopted by the AMA.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  asked for  clarification on  SB 121,  Section 1(c),                                                               
wanting  to know  whether its  requirement for  uniformly applied                                                               
reimbursement  rates applies  to  in-network, out-of-network,  or                                                               
something else. He asked whether  this language would effectively                                                               
eliminate  in-network and  out-of-network distinctions  in Alaska                                                               
or whether he was misinterpreting it.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:51:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GIESSEL  replied  that   the  provision  requires  equal                                                               
reimbursement for  the same service  regardless of whether  it is                                                               
provided   by  a   physician,  physician   assistant,  or   nurse                                                               
practitioner.  As  long  as  they  are  practicing  within  their                                                               
licensed  scope   and  billing  under  the   appropriate  current                                                               
procedural technology (CPT) code, they  must be reimbursed at the                                                               
same rate.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNBAR  noted  this  language is  similar  to  an  earlier                                                               
amendment  and   would  prevent  insurers   from  differentiating                                                               
reimbursement  based on  a provider's  license type.  However, it                                                               
would  not stop  insurers from  setting different  in-network and                                                               
out-of-network rates.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:52:46 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL replied in the affirmative.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:52:53 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CONWAY resumed the sectional analysis for SB 121:                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
        Section 2. Adds a new section that allows for a                                                                   
     transition period                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
           In  this section the insurer  would set allowable                                                                    
           charges  based  on  current  data  from  provider                                                                    
           charges over a  12-month period beginning in 2023                                                                    
           or  earlier. In 2029  the allowable  charges must                                                                    
           be based on  current data of provider charges for                                                                    
           services/supplies  over   the  previous  12-month                                                                    
           period.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3. Sets an effective date for January 1, 2026.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:53:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR announced the presentation on SB 121.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:54:03 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFFREY   DAVIS,   Principal,   Weston  Group   Consulting   LLC,                                                               
Wenatchee,  Washington, provided  a  presentation on  SB 121.  He                                                               
stated that [health care] is a complex subject.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:56:10 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  moved to slide  2, History, and explained  the history                                                               
of the 80th percentile in the following order:                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     -The  80th  percentile  regulation was  established  20                                                                    
     years ago to protect Alaskans from "balance billing"                                                                       
     •Balance   billing  =   difference  between   insurance                                                                    
     payment and provider charge                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     -Insurers don't base payments on  actual charges   base                                                                    
     them on "allowable charges"                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     -When   the  regulation   was  implemented,   insurers'                                                                    
     definition of  allowable charges  were much  lower than                                                                    
     actual prices/costs in Alaska                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     -As   a  result,   Alaskans  were   stuck  paying   the                                                                    
     difference  between  the   insurance  payment  and  the                                                                    
     provider's charges  the balance bill                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     -At  the time,  very  few  providers were  "in-network"                                                                    
     where  the contract  defines allowable  charges through                                                                    
     negotiation                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     -The  regulation worked    Alaskans  were protected  as                                                                    
     insurers adjusted allowable to  Alaska market levels at                                                                    
     the "80th percentile"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:57:59 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS moved to slide  3, Intended and Unintended Consequences                                                               
of the  Regulation, and explained  that the 80th  percentile rule                                                               
produced both  intended and  unintended effects.  It successfully                                                               
reduced  balance billing,  as  insurers  aligned their  allowable                                                               
charges  with  the  80th  percentile,  protecting  Alaskans  from                                                               
large,  unexpected  bills.  However, providers  with  significant                                                               
market share  could push the  percentile upward by  raising their                                                               
own charges, creating an unintended  inflationary effect. He said                                                               
on  the  positive side,  the  rule  stabilized reimbursement  and                                                               
reflected  Alaska's  higher  operating  costs,  which  encouraged                                                               
provider  growth and  expanded access  to  care. A  surge in  new                                                               
practices, roughly  a 40  percent increase  over a  short period,                                                               
helped meet  long-standing unmet  demand. He  said the  rule also                                                               
created a common benchmark for contract negotiations.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:00:30 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS moved  to slide  4,  Market Changes  Since the  Rule's                                                               
Inception,  and explained  that  after the  2004 regulation  took                                                               
effect, the market shifted significantly.  Between 2014 and 2017,                                                               
providers moved from mostly  out-of-network to mostly in-network.                                                               
By 2023,  only about  400 providers remained  out of  network. He                                                               
said because  the 80th percentile  applied only when  no contract                                                               
existed,  its   role  diminished  as  providers   signed  network                                                               
agreements.  However, it  still shaped  negotiations: a  provider                                                               
knew that  if they  stayed out  of network,  reimbursements would                                                               
track  the 80th  percentile. So,  when insurers  offered contract                                                               
rates close  to that level, providers  usually acceptedsometimes                                                                
even  slightly  lowerbecause   being   in  network  meant  better                                                               
benefits for  patients and easier  payment. He said  this dynamic                                                               
made the  80th percentile the  de facto benchmark that  drew most                                                               
providers into network during that period.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:02:44 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS moved  to  slide  5, Where  is  the  Money Going,  and                                                               
explained  that  the  horizontal  lines on  the  graph  represent                                                               
insurer reimbursements to providers.  He said because competitors                                                               
cannot share  actual rates, each  provider normalized  their 2018                                                               
reimbursement level  to 1.0 and  tracked percentage  changes over                                                               
time.  The  data  show insurer  reimbursements  staying  flat  or                                                               
declining,  while  insurance  premiums continued  to  rise.  This                                                               
disproves  the idea  that higher  provider payments  were driving                                                               
premium  increases.  He  said  instead,  provider  payments  were                                                               
stable under  contracts, and rising  insurance rates  were likely                                                               
driven by other factors.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:04:15 PM                                                                                                                    
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MR.  DAVIS  moved  to slide  6,  Repeal  of  the  80   Percentile                                                               
Regulation,  and  stated  that   the  80th  percentile  rule  was                                                               
repealed  on January  1, 2024,  without  a replacement,  allowing                                                               
insurers to set  their own standards for  allowable charges. This                                                               
returned the system to a  2004-style model where payers determine                                                               
allowable, often far below previous  levels. He said as a result,                                                               
providers   have  significantly   less  bargaining   power,  with                                                               
insurers  offering  lower contract  rates  because  going out  of                                                               
network now yields much  smaller reimbursements. Providers report                                                               
that insurers  are using  this leverage to  push rates  down even                                                               
further, despite  flat reimbursements  over six years  and rising                                                               
practice   costs,  about   a   47   percent  increase,   creating                                                               
substantial financial strain.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:06:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  moved to slide  7, Bargaining Dynamics-Power  Shift to                                                               
Insurers, and  stated as reimbursement dynamics  shift, providers                                                               
have few options: leave the state,  go out of network and balance                                                               
bill  patients, or  close  their  practices. Significant  changes                                                               
haven't  appeared  yet  because  insurers agreed  not  to  adjust                                                               
contract  rates until  2025, but  many providers  are forecasting                                                               
closures,  and  some  have  already  shut  down.  He  said  these                                                               
outcomes  are harmful  for  Alaskans,  especially given  existing                                                               
provider shortages.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:07:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS  moved  to  slide   8,  The  Solution-  State  Defined                                                               
Replacement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:07:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR  interjected  calling   on  Senator  Claman  for  a                                                               
question.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:07:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN stated  that  an insurer  paying  185 percent  of                                                               
Medicare  for  in-network  services  appears  far  below  typical                                                               
reimbursement and seems unfair. He  asked whether, in cases where                                                               
a provider's negotiated in-network rate  is close to the Medicare                                                               
rate, a 450  percent cap could result  in out-of-network payments                                                               
that are higher than in-network rates.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:08:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS responded  that,  in  theory, out-of-network  payments                                                               
could  exceed  in-network rates,  but  he  is  not aware  of  any                                                               
practices  where that  occurs. He  said  he would  move ahead  to                                                               
slide 10 to help address the question.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:08:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS  moved  to slide  10,  Myth  Busting-Alaska  Providers                                                               
Highest  Paid  in  the Country-WRONG,  and  explained  that  many                                                               
discussions assume  Alaska providers  are among the  highest paid                                                               
because  Alaska's medical  charges  are high.  However, new  data                                                               
from the  Medical Group of  Management Association's  (MGMA) 2024                                                               
compensation  studybased  on  211,000 responses  and used  by the                                                               
federal   government   for  fair-market-value   assessmentsshows                                                                
otherwise.  He  said  according   to  the  study,  Alaska  family                                                               
physicians  and  non-surgical  specialists are  actually  in  the                                                               
bottom  five  states  for take-home  compensation,  and  surgical                                                               
specialists  fall in  the  middle. He  stated  that high  charges                                                               
reflect high  operating costs, not high  provider pay, especially                                                               
given years of flat reimbursement.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:11:21 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  moved back  to slide  7 and  noted that  Alaska's high                                                               
charges stem  from high operating  costs, not  high compensation.                                                               
He stated  his belief that,  due to high operating  costs, Alaska                                                               
does not  have practices operating  anywhere near 185  percent of                                                               
Medicare rates.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:11:49 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN said he is  convinced that 185 percent of Medicare                                                               
is an  unreasonably low out-of-network  rate, noting  that double                                                               
of nothing is still nothing.  His stated his concern is balancing                                                               
competing market  pressures: insurers  want to  reduce healthcare                                                               
costs, providers need fair  compensation to maintain high-quality                                                               
care, and consumers want good  access without large out-of-pocket                                                               
bills.  He  asked how  market  forces  could operate  effectively                                                               
while still  encouraging providers  to remain  in-network, noting                                                               
that  when out-of-network  rates  are too  similar to  in-network                                                               
rates, providers have little incentive to participate.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:13:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  replied that from  2014 to 2017, most  providers moved                                                               
in-network at rates  near the 80th percentile  because it created                                                               
a  balanced  negotiating  environment. Patients  received  better                                                               
benefits,  providers  preferred  insurer  payments  over  patient                                                               
collections,  and both  sides rejected  rates that  were too  far                                                               
from  that  benchmark.  He  said  removing  the  80th  percentile                                                               
without  a replacement  disrupted that  balance, giving  insurers                                                               
significantly  more leverage,  especially  in a  market with  few                                                               
carriers.  With years  of flat  or  declining reimbursement,  low                                                               
provider  compensation, and  now no  meaningful floor,  Alaska is                                                               
seeing provider practices fail.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:15:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS   moved  back  to  slide   8,  Solution-State  Defined                                                               
Replacement, and  stated that  the solution  is to  reestablish a                                                               
state-determined,     market-based     floor    for     allowable                                                               
reimbursements. The  key is  that the  state, not  insurers, sets                                                               
the standard,  and that it  reflects Alaska's own  cost structure                                                               
rather than fee schedules from  other markets that create winners                                                               
and  losers. He  said previously  he opposed  repealing the  80th                                                               
percentile  without a  replacement because  it would  destabilize                                                               
the   medical  community.   After  evaluating   alternatives,  he                                                               
concluded that a statewide, market-based  percentile, such as the                                                               
75th, updated every few years,  would best restore balance, limit                                                               
excessive market  power, and  avoid cost-inflation  problems seen                                                               
under past regulations.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:18:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  moved to slide  9, Summary, and concluded  that, based                                                               
on  publicly available  filings insurance  rate increases  in the                                                               
individual  market did  not  slow  from 2023  to  2025 after  the                                                               
repeal. He said  the repeal has had  significant negative effects                                                               
on  providers, and  those impacts  are  beginning to  accelerate.                                                               
Losing  providers  in  Alaska,  which  is  an  already  federally                                                               
designated healthcare  professional shortage area,  creates long-                                                               
term problems,  as they are  difficult to replace.  He emphasized                                                               
that  the  market is  now  out  of  balance, and  that  restoring                                                               
balance is  essential to prevent worsening  shortages and protect                                                               
access to care.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:21:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES agreed that  free-market principles don't function                                                               
well  in   the  current  healthcare   system,  but   argued  that                                                               
policymakers should  let the self-insured, private,  and self-pay                                                               
markets drive  pricing, rather than allowing  Center for Medicaid                                                               
and  Medicare  Services  (CMS)  to  dictate  pricing.  She  noted                                                               
concerns  about moving  from  four regions  to  one and  updating                                                               
rates every three  to five years, but questioned  whether a 75th-                                                               
percentile  floor would  still allow  charges to  rise unchecked.                                                               
She  argued  that  providers could  collectively  raise  charges,                                                               
causing the  percentile to increase  regardless of  market share,                                                               
and asked  for an explanation  of why  that wouldn't lead  to the                                                               
same problems as before.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:22:46 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS  replied   that  the  data  did   not  show  providers                                                               
clustering  at a  single charge  level before  contracting. After                                                               
most providers  moved in-network between 2014  and 2017, contract                                                               
rates,  not the  80th percentile,  set reimbursement  levels. The                                                               
percentile  only applied  to out-of-network  claims but  remained                                                               
important as  a benchmark during  contract negotiations.  He said                                                               
because of that,  the dynamic is different when  providers are in                                                               
network and  negotiating rates rather  than all operating  out of                                                               
network.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:23:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES  said  she  still   doesn't  understand  how  the                                                               
proposal  avoids incentivizing  providers to  go out  of network.                                                               
She  shared the  concern that  out-of-network care  is worse  for                                                               
consumers  and  asked  how  this  approach  meaningfully  changes                                                               
bargaining dynamics.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  replied that  when the 80th  percentile was  in place,                                                               
providers moved in network because  it served as a fair benchmark                                                               
for contract  negotiations. Insurers  could offer rates  near the                                                               
80th  percentile,  and  providers often  accepted  slightly  less                                                               
since it  benefited patients and simplified  collections. He said                                                               
based on that experience, a  new, improved replacement modeled on                                                               
the   80th  percentile   should   encourage  similar   in-network                                                               
participation while avoiding the earlier problems.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:25:07 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN asked Mr. Davis  whether he would choose the 450th                                                               
or 75th percentile floor and why.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS responded  that he  would choose  the 75th  percentile                                                               
because it  is market-based and  adjusts with business  costs. He                                                               
noted rising expenses, such as  a 47 percent increase in support-                                                               
staff  costs  over  eight  years,  while  Medicare  reimbursement                                                               
continues  to decline.  He  emphasized the  need  to keep  Alaska                                                               
providers viable,  noting they are  among the  least compensated,                                                               
and  argued that  years of  stagnant rates  followed by  proposed                                                               
cuts will not sustain a functional market.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:26:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR asked Ms. Wing-Heier  to answer questions pertaining                                                               
to SB 121.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:26:54 PM                                                                                                                    
LORI   WING-HEIER,  Director,   Division  of   Insurance,  Alaska                                                               
Department  of  Commerce,  Community  and  Economic  Development,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska, answered questions on  SB 121. She put herself on                                                               
the record.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:27:03 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR noted  that  the 80th  percentile  was repealed  in                                                               
January 2024 and that last year  there wasn't enough data to know                                                               
the  impact.  He asked  whether  insurers  have actually  lowered                                                               
rates, as expected, and expressed  surprise that insurers can set                                                               
allowable  charges  without  regulatory guardrails.  He  inquired                                                               
about any guidelines that limit how they set those charges.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:28:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  WING-HEIER replied  that most  insurers determine  allowable                                                               
charges  using Fair  Health, a  national  database that  collects                                                               
over 2 billion claims annually  to identify usual, customary, and                                                               
reasonable charges.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:28:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR asked if it's a reasonable charge nationwide.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER  replied  no,   the  division  looks  at  Alaskan                                                               
charges.  The  division  follows   statute  and  regulation  that                                                               
require providers  to reimburse at a  reasonable rate, preventing                                                               
a return to pre-2004 levels before the 80th percentile.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DUNBAR  opined that  the  requirement  to reimburse  at  a                                                               
reasonable rate  partly undermines the  argument that there  is a                                                               
need for  a 75th or 80th  percentile floor. He asked  whether the                                                               
repeal  has  changed  insurer-provider negotiation  dynamics  and                                                               
whether  insurers are  now lowering  their charges  now that  the                                                               
80th percentile is gone.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:30:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. WING-HEIER replied  that she is aware as of  April 1, Primera                                                               
sent  some  providers  letters  reducing  certain  charges  while                                                               
increasing others.  Filings showed a  4 percent decrease  in 2025                                                               
and about 2.5  percent in 2024, expected  to accumulate overtime.                                                               
She said  although the 80th  percentile portion  decreased; other                                                               
factors  drove  overall rates  up.  She  noted that  without  the                                                               
repeal  consumers' 15  percent rate  increase would  have been  4                                                               
percent higher.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:31:08 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  asked how many  providers the  percentile impacts                                                               
and what  claim trends are  being noticed in-network  versus out-                                                               
of-network.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. WING-HEIER replied  that one concern the  department has with                                                               
SB 121 is that it places  the sole burden on the 118,000 Alaskans                                                               
that  are  in  the  insured  market.  SB  121  does  not  include                                                               
AlaskaCare  unions and  large self-insured  employers. It  places                                                               
disproportionate burden on roughly 15 percent of the population.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:32:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  HUGHES asked  what movement  trends  the department  has                                                               
observed in  claims submitted  for in-network  and out-of-network                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WING-HEIER replied  that in  2023,  AlaskaCare repealed  the                                                               
90th  percentile  and  adopted  185 percent.  Since  then,  1,100                                                               
providers have  moved in-network,  benefiting both  consumers and                                                               
the broader healthcare industry.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:33:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR held SB 121 in committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
           SB 122-HEALTH INSURANCE NETWORK STANDARDS                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:33:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR announced  the consideration of SENATE  BILL NO. 122                                                               
"An Act relating to insurance;  establishing standards for health                                                               
insurance  provider  networks;  and providing  for  an  effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:33:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL speaking as the sponsor introduced SB 122 and                                                                   
read the sponsor statement:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                   Sponsor Statement (vsn N)                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to insurance; establishing standards                                                                      
     for health insurance provider networks; and providing                                                                      
                    for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill 122  will establish  state-defined minimum                                                                    
     standards   for   health  insurer   provider   networks                                                                    
     tailored to  Alaska. Standards are necessary  to ensure                                                                    
     Alaska patients  have access to a  network of providers                                                                    
     sufficient  to  meet  their healthcare  needs.  Thirty-                                                                    
     eight  states  and  territories have  adopted  provider                                                                    
     network minimum standards.  The National Association of                                                                    
     Insurance  Commissioners   has  stated   that  provider                                                                    
     network  minimum  standards   are  the  most  important                                                                    
     mechanisms to ensure  a well-functioning healthcare and                                                                    
     health  insurance  market.  In  many  states,  insurers                                                                    
     often  establish and  market  products  with a  limited                                                                    
     subset of  the providers  available in  the area,  or a                                                                    
     "narrow network". Because all  of Alaska is a federally                                                                    
     designated  provider  shortage  area,  narrow  networks                                                                    
     would be  detrimental to Alaskans' health  by hindering                                                                    
     access to  needed providers.  Narrow networks  can also                                                                    
     result  in barriers  to care  by creating  long waiting                                                                    
     times  for  appointments.  This  bill  would  establish                                                                    
     simple   standards  tailored   to  the   geography  and                                                                    
     distribution of population and  providers in Alaska. It                                                                    
     makes  provision   for  a  phase-in  period   to  avoid                                                                    
     insurance market disruption and  a process for insurers                                                                    
     to  request exceptions  when  standards  can't be  met.                                                                    
     Standards are  designed to ensure  that the  full range                                                                    
     of specialties  in a community  are represented  in the                                                                    
     network.  Senate  Bill  122 would  proactively  protect                                                                    
     Alaskans from  the access issues that  have arisen with                                                                    
     narrow networks  elsewhere in the country.  Please join                                                                    
     me  in  supporting  this commonsense  bill  to  protect                                                                    
     Alaska  patients' access  to needed  health care  while                                                                    
     supporting local providers in the community.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:36:02 PM                                                                                                                    
JANE  CONWAY,   Staff,  Senator   Cathy  Giessel,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, Juneau, Alaska, provided  the sectional analysis for                                                               
SB  122.  She  read  the   following  portion  of  the  sectional                                                               
analysis:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   ? (d) Divides Alaska into 6 contracting (network)                                                                            
     regions:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     -Municipality  of  Anchorage  Network must  include  85                                                                    
     percent of  total active physicians,  PAs and  APRNs in                                                                    
     each  specialty  and  at  least   85  percent  of  each                                                                    
     provider groups in each specialty.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     -Mat-Su  Borough  Network  must   include  at  least  9                                                                    
     percent  of active  physicians, PAs  and APRNs  in each                                                                    
     specialty  and  at least  90  percent  of the  provider                                                                    
     groups in each specialty.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     -Fairbanks North  Star Borough and  Southeast Fairbanks                                                                    
     Census Area 90 percent same as Matsu                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     -Kenai Peninsula Borough Network  must include at least                                                                    
     95 percent of active physicians,  PAs and APRNs in each                                                                    
     specialty  and  at least  95  percent  of the  provider                                                                    
     groups in each specialty.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     -City and Borough of  Juneau, Ketchikan Gateway Borough                                                                    
     and  City and  Borough of  Sitka 95  percent -  same as                                                                    
     Kenai Peninsula Borough                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     -Remaining areas of the state                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:38:04 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CONWAY moved to section 1 of the sectional analysis for SB
122:                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1.  Amends AS  21.07 Patient  Protections Under                                                              
     Health Care Insurance Policies                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
                 Adds new section 21.07.035 Minimum provider                                                                  
                 network standards.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                 In this section a health care insurer                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   ? Must take into account the network requirements set                                                                        
     out in  this new section when  calculating the benefits                                                                    
     or contractual requirements of the covered person.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:38:22 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. CONWAY continued with the sectional analysis for SB 122:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   ? (b) A health care insurer's provider network must                                                                          
     include  each  hospital,  skilled nursing  facility  or                                                                    
     mental  health/substance abuse  facility  in the  state                                                                    
     and each physician, PA and  APRN employed by them. This                                                                    
     would be the same for any tribal health organization.                                                                      
   ? However, the physicians, PAs and APRNs are not                                                                             
     included  when calculating  the  health care  insurer's                                                                    
     minimum  network  standards  set  out in  (d)  of  this                                                                    
     section.                                                                                                                   
   ? (c) A health care insurer's provider network must                                                                          
     include  a sufficient  number  of  physicians, PAs  and                                                                    
     APRNs in each region to  meet the minimum standards set                                                                    
     out   in  (d).   The  provider   network  may   include                                                                    
     physicians,  PAs  and  APRNs  who  are  not  contracted                                                                    
     network health  care providers, but they  must be shown                                                                    
     as in-network  providers in the insurer's  directory of                                                                    
     network  providers  and   treated  as  in-network  when                                                                    
     determining benefits for a covered person.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
   ? In (e) a health care insurer may request to the                                                                            
     director an  exception to the minimum  provider network                                                                    
     standard  for  up to  36  months.  The process  for  an                                                                    
     exemption will  be set in  regulation by  the director.                                                                    
     The  insurer must  submit  a plan  to  comply and  also                                                                    
     submit annual progress reports to the director.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   ? In (f) a health care insurer must attest or prove they                                                                     
     meet  the   minimum  provider  network   standards  and                                                                    
     provide  supporting documentation  to  the director  as                                                                    
     part of  their required rate filings.  If standards are                                                                    
     not met, the  insurer must submit a  plan of corrective                                                                    
     action.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   ? In (g) allows the director to adopt regulations to                                                                         
     implement  this section  and may  also  require that  a                                                                    
     contracting   region   exceed   the   minimum   network                                                                    
     standards                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2. Repeals AS 21.07.020(3):                                                                                  
     Sec.  21.07.020.   Required  contract   provisions  for                                                                  
     health care  insurance policy. A health  care insurance                                                                  
     policy must contain a provision                                                                                            
     (3) that  covered medical  care services  be reasonably                                                                    
     available in  the community in  which a  covered person                                                                    
     resides  or  that, if  referrals  are  required by  the                                                                    
     policy,  adequate referrals  outside  the community  be                                                                    
     available if the medical care  service is not available                                                                    
     in the community;                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3. Sets an effective date for January 1, 2026                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:41:44 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:42:08 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR reconvened  the meeting  and invited  Mr. Davis  to                                                               
testify.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:42:18 PM                                                                                                                    
JEFFREY   DAVIS,   Principal,   Weston  Group   Consulting   LLC,                                                               
Wenatchee, Washington,  began his presentation,  Provider Network                                                               
Minimum Standards for Health Insurers.  He said SB 122 purpose is                                                               
to  create provider  network minimum  standards and  is a  way to                                                               
ensure health care for all Alaskans.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:42:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  moved to slide 2,  What is a Narrow  Provider Network,                                                               
and  stated  that  narrow network  limits,  which  providers  are                                                               
included, is a  common tactic in the Lower 48  where some markets                                                               
exclude up  to 80  percent of  providers. He  said out-of-network                                                               
benefits are typically minimal,  though Alaska currently requires                                                               
them, something some payers want  to change. he said insurers use                                                               
narrow networks to gain  market leverage by offering  lower rates                                                               
to one provider  group while excluding another,  which can reduce                                                               
costs but also makes patient access to care more difficult.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:43:56 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS moved to slide 3,  Why Does Alaska Need Minimum Network                                                               
Standards,  and  stated  that   Alaska  is  already  a  federally                                                               
designated healthcare provider shortage  area, and allowing plans                                                               
with even  fewer providers  could create  networks too  narrow to                                                               
meet  patient  needs.  The   National  Association  of  Insurance                                                               
Commissionersconsidered  the  gold standardstates  that  the most                                                               
important step a state can  take is establishing minimum provider                                                               
standards for  a functioning healthcare and  insurance market. By                                                               
2019, 38  states and territories  had such standards,  but Alaska                                                               
does  not.  Without  state-defined criteria,  it's  difficult  to                                                               
judge  whether  a  network  is   adequate.  This  proposal  would                                                               
establish  those  standards,  and  some  insurers  have  publicly                                                               
expressed interest  in offering these narrow-network  products in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS moved  to  slide  4, Impact  of  Narrow Networks,  and                                                               
stated that  Narrow networks  can limit  access by  excluding key                                                               
specialty groups, creating longer  wait times or forcing patients                                                               
to seek care outside Alaska.  He said consumers often judge plans                                                               
simply by  checking whether their  current doctors  are included,                                                               
but they  may not realize  the network lacks  needed specialists,                                                               
something  they   only  discover   after  developing   a  serious                                                               
condition.  He said  narrow networks  with little  or no  out-of-                                                               
network  coverage leave  patients  without needed  care and  also                                                               
financially harm  excluded providers, especially in  markets like                                                               
Alaska  with  only  a  few major  insurers  and  already  fragile                                                               
practices.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:47:24 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS  moved  to  slide  5, Solution  and  stated  that  the                                                               
proposed  solution  is for  the  state  to adopt  Alaska-specific                                                               
minimum network  standards. Other states' models  don't work well                                                               
due to Alaska's unique geography  and provider distribution, so a                                                               
simpler, percentage-based  approach is  recommended. He  said the                                                               
plan includes  a phased-in  process, applies  across specialties,                                                               
and requires insurers to include  a broad share of both providers                                                               
and  practicesfor  example,  85 percent  of cardiologists  and 85                                                               
percent  of cardiology  practices, not  just one  dominant group.                                                               
This approach  helps ensure adequate access  and restores balance                                                               
in insurer-provider  negotiations. SB  122 would  establish these                                                               
Alaska-tailored standards.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:49:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR CLAMAN opined that narrow  networks are a bigger issue in                                                               
large  population centers  like Seattle  or San  Francisco, where                                                               
insurers  can  significantly  limit   access  by  excluding  many                                                               
providers.  He  said  Alaska  already  functions  like  a  narrow                                                               
network  simply  because  there  are so  few  providers  and  few                                                               
insurance  carriers.  He  asked how  Alaska  achieves  reasonable                                                               
provider  rates  when  the system  already  lacks  both  provider                                                               
numbers and insurer competition.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:50:20 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  DAVIS  replied that  the  concern  is that  narrow  networks                                                               
function in large markets with  many carriers and ample providers                                                               
without destabilizing the system. He  said Alaska is already in a                                                               
provider-shortage area  with a naturally narrow  network. Further                                                               
narrowing  would strain  the system  and harm  both patients  and                                                               
providers.  Without state  protections  that limit  how narrow  a                                                               
network can  be, these products could  negatively affect Alaskans                                                               
and the provider community.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:51:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  CLAMAN asked  whether  adopting SB  122  would create  a                                                               
state regulated price structure, and if not why not.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:51:40 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS replied that it is  his belief that this isn't creating                                                               
a state-regulated  price structure  because it  addresses network                                                               
adequacy, not  prices. He  said while  insurers may  claim narrow                                                               
networks help  lower costs,  they also  risk harming  patients by                                                               
limiting  access  and  harming  providers  in  an  already  small                                                               
market. Minimum  standards simply prevent networks  from becoming                                                               
too  limited.  Thirty-eight states  and  the  NAIC consider  such                                                               
standards essential, and the goal  is to put protections in place                                                               
before narrow-network products enter Alaska and cause harm.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:52:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR noted  that he personally has  a narrow-network plan                                                               
through  TRICARE and  is  often surprised  by  how few  providers                                                               
accept it. At times, no specialist  in the entire state will take                                                               
his insurance.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  noted that  SB 122 won't  fix Tricare.  She asked                                                               
what the  insurance providers think  of the proposal  and whether                                                               
they're  likely to  oppose  it. She  asked  how current  networks                                                               
compare  to   the  proposed  8595    percent  standards   in  the                                                               
communities affected, and  whether insurers might push  back in a                                                               
way that  could limit the  availability of insurance  products in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:54:28 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  said he can't  speak for insurers, but  he's confident                                                               
they  will  push  back.  He  said he  doesn't  know  the  current                                                               
percentage of provider participation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:54:52 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  reminded Mr. Davis  of her second  question about                                                               
the 85-95 percent range.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  replied  that that  narrow-network  products  haven't                                                               
reached  Alaska yet  but are  well established  in the  Lower 48.                                                               
Since Alaska  is already  a provider-shortage  area. He  said the                                                               
goal  is to  proactively set  state-defined standards  to prevent                                                               
insurers from  offering networks that include  too few providers,                                                               
which could limit access to care when patients need it.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:56:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  viewed SB  121 and 122  being in  tandem. Between                                                               
2014  and  2017, some  providers  remained  outside the  network,                                                               
driving  higher   prices  and  influencing   the  80th-percentile                                                               
standard.  While SB  121 allows  some  providers to  stay out  of                                                               
networks, SB  122 seeks to  require broader inclusion.  She asked                                                               
if SB 122 is intended to  prevent providers from opting out under                                                               
SB 121 and is that why the two bills are paired.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:57:07 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. DAVIS  replied that  the two  bills work  in tandem  but have                                                               
different purposes. SB 122 aims  to prevent insurers from pushing                                                               
providers out  of networks to  pit groups against each  other and                                                               
suppress  rates. He  noted that  after most  providers moved  in-                                                               
network, reimbursement  levels were  flat or declining  under the                                                               
80th  percentile, suggesting  mainstream providers  were not  the                                                               
ones driving  costs uponly   a few  outliers outside  the network                                                               
were. He  stated his  belief that the  price increases  came from                                                               
those outliers, not the broader provider community.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:58:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR held SB 122 in committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:59:48 PM                                                                                                                    
There being  no further  business to  come before  the committee,                                                               
Chair  Dunbar adjourned  the Senate  Health  and Social  Services                                                               
Standing Committee meeting at 4:49 p.m.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 122 Sectional Analysis (vsn N) .pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 122 Sponsor Statement 03-07-25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 122 Vsn N 03-05-25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 122 Supporting Document Health Benefit Plan Network Adequacy Act NAIC.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 122 Supporting Document Network Adequacy 1-pager .pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 122 Presentation vsn N SHSS 3.11.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 121 Presentation vsn N SHSS 3.11.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 121 Sponsor Statement 03-07-25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 121 Sectional Analysis (vsn N) .pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 121 vsn N 03-05-25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 121 Fiscal Note DCCED DOI 3.7.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 122 Fiscal Note DCCED DOI 3.7.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 121 Supporting Document Percentile Graphic 3.11.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 121 Presentation vsn N SHSS Final 3.11.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 122 Presentation vsn N SHSS Final 3.11.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 122
SB 121 Letter of Support APRN 3.10.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 121 Letter of Support Kay 3.8.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121
SB 121 Letter of Support Lyons 3.10.25.pdf SHSS 3/11/2025 3:30:00 PM
SB 121