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02/09/2005 01:30 PM HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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+ teleconferenced
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*+ SB 75 PUBLIC HEALTH DISASTERS/EMERGENCIES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 75(HES) Out of Committee
*+ SB 73 STATE VIROLOGY LABORATORY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 73(HES) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 84 CHILD PROTECTION CONFIDENTIALITY TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 84(HES) Out of Committee
+= SB 51 PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 51 Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                               
                        February 9, 2005                                                                                        
                           1:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Fred Dyson, Chair                                                                                                       
Senator Gary Wilken, Vice Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 84                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to the  confidentiality of investigations, court                                                               
hearings, and public agency records  and information in child-in-                                                               
need-of-aid  matters   and  certain  child   protection  matters;                                                               
relating  to  immunity  regarding disclosure  of  information  in                                                               
child-in-  need-of-aid  matters   and  certain  child  protection                                                               
matters; amending  Rules 3 and  22, Alaska  Child in Need  of Aid                                                               
Rules of Procedure; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     MOVED CSSB 84(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 51                                                                                                              
"An Act relating  to contracts for the provision  of state public                                                               
assistance  to certain  recipients  in the  state; providing  for                                                               
regional  public  assistance plans  and  programs  in the  state;                                                               
relating to grants for Alaska  Native family assistance programs;                                                               
relating to assignment  of child support by  Alaska Native family                                                               
assistance recipients;  relating to paternity  determinations and                                                               
genetic testing  involving recipients of assistance  under Alaska                                                               
Native  family   assistance  programs;   and  providing   for  an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     MOVED SB 51 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 75                                                                                                              
"An Act relating  to public health and  public health emergencies                                                               
and  disasters; relating  to duties  of the  public defender  and                                                               
office  of  public  advocacy  regarding  public  health  matters;                                                               
relating  to certain  claims for  public  health matters;  making                                                               
conforming amendments; and providing for an effective date."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     MOVED CSSB 75(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 73                                                                                                              
"An  Act   relating  to  a   lease-purchase  agreement   for  the                                                               
construction,  equipping,  and  financing  of  a  state  virology                                                               
laboratory in  Fairbanks, on land  provided by the  University of                                                               
Alaska, Fairbanks,  to be  operated by  the Department  of Health                                                               
and Social Services; relating to  the issuance of certificates of                                                               
participation for the laboratory; relating  to the use of certain                                                               
investment income  for certain  construction and  equipment costs                                                               
for the laboratory; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     MOVED CSSB 73(HES) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 84                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: CHILD PROTECTION CONFIDENTIALITY                                                                                   
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/26/05       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/26/05       (S)       HES, JUD, FIN                                                                                          
02/07/05       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/07/05       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/07/05       (S)       MINUTE(HES)                                                                                            
02/09/05       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 51                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS                                                                                         
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/12/05       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/12/05       (S)       CRA, HES, FIN                                                                                          
01/26/05       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM FAHRENKAMP 203                                                                          
01/26/05       (S)       Moved SB 51 Out of Committee                                                                           
01/26/05       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
01/27/05       (S)       CRA RPT 4DP                                                                                            
01/27/05       (S)       DP: STEVENS G, WAGONER, KOOKESH, ELLIS                                                                 
02/07/05       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/07/05       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/07/05       (S)       MINUTE(HES)                                                                                            
02/09/05       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 75                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: PUBLIC HEALTH DISASTERS/EMERGENCIES                                                                                
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/21/05       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/21/05       (S)       HES, STA, JUD                                                                                          
02/09/05       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 73                                                                                                                   
SHORT TITLE: STATE VIROLOGY LABORATORY                                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
01/21/05       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/21/05       (S)       HES, FIN                                                                                               
02/09/05       (S)       HES AT 1:30 PM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Jan Rutherdale, Assistant Attorney General                                                                                      
Department of Law                                                                                                               
PO Box 110300                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0300                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 84.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Betty Rollins                                                                                                                   
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 84.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Scott Calder                                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposed SB 84.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ellie Fitzjarrald, Chief,                                                                                                       
Policy and Program Development                                                                                                  
Division of Public Assistance                                                                                                   
Department of Health &                                                                                                          
  Social Services                                                                                                               
Juneau, AK  99801-0601                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 51.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Tony Lombardo, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Department of Health & Social Services                                                                                          
Juneau, AK  99801-0601                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT: Commented on SB 51.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Don Shircel, Director,                                                                                                          
Family Services                                                                                                                 
Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 51.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dean George, Program Coordinator                                                                                                
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)                                                                                  
Tlingit Haida Central Council                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 51.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Amanda Blackgoat                                                                                                                
Finance Systems Specialist                                                                                                      
Tlingit Haida Central Council                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 51.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Richard Mandsager, Director,                                                                                                
Division of Public Health,                                                                                                      
Department of Health & Social Services (DHSS)                                                                                   
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 75 and SB 73.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dan Branch, Senior Assistant Attorney General                                                                                   
Department of Law                                                                                                               
PO Box 110300                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0300                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 75 and SB 73.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Rod Beatty, President                                                                                                           
Alaska State Hospital and Nursing Home Association (ASHNHA)                                                                     
Juneau, AK 99801                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 75 and SB 73.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Nathan Johnson, Division Manager                                                                                                
Anchorage Municipal Department of Health and Social Services                                                                    
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 75.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Tom Boutin, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                 
Department of Revenue                                                                                                           
PO Box 110400                                                                                                                   
Juneau, AK  99811-0400                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Neutral position on SB 73.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
John Blake, Director                                                                                                            
Office of Research Integrity                                                                                                    
University of Alaska Fairbanks North Star Borough                                                                               
PO Box 71267                                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska 99707                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Supported SB 73.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRED DYSON  called the Senate Health,  Education and Social                                                             
Services  Standing  Committee meeting  to  order  at 1:32:27  PM.                                                             
Present were  Senators Kim Elton,  Donny Olson, Gary  Wilken, and                                                               
Chair Fred Dyson.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
             SB 84-CHILD PROTECTION CONFIDENTIALITY                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:33:25 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRED DYSON announced SB 84 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAN RUTHERDALE,  Assistant Attorney  General, Department  of Law,                                                               
said  she had  prepared  some  amendments for  SB  84. The  first                                                               
amendment is as follows:                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Page 6,  line 26 after  "department" add: ",the governor,  or the                                                               
legislature"                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Page 8, line 9: delete "may" and add "shall"                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Page 8, line 15-16: delete "in accordance with" and add "under"                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERDALE explained that the  first change addressed Senator                                                               
Elton's concern  with the Governor  or the  Legislature convening                                                               
an investigative body to review a specific case.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR LYDA GREEN joined the committee at 1:35.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:36 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DYSON noted  that there  were no  objections to  the first                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERDALE explained  that the change on page 8,  line 9, was                                                               
in  response  to  Senator  Elton's  concern  about  changing  the                                                               
original  language  of "shall"  to  "may".  She didn't  think  it                                                               
mattered either way and put  the original language back. However,                                                               
she explained:                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     This   is  a   little  wider.   This  covers   all  the                                                                    
     regulations including  that specific concern  about the                                                                    
     sufficient legitimate interest  paragraph that had been                                                                    
     moved  from   another  section.  So,  it   may  not  be                                                                    
     necessary in  some cases....  Apparently there  is case                                                                    
     law that  requires whenever there's a  term or standard                                                                    
     is  used  for  the   public,  we're  required  to  have                                                                    
     regulations. The  case law puts that  "shall" in there,                                                                    
     so it doesn't matter either way....                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked what  is a reasonable  expectation for  a time                                                               
frame in which regulations get  promulgated after a law is passed                                                               
and if it had been challenged in court.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERDALE replied that she  didn't know the answer. However,                                                               
she said:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     I want  to amend  a statement I  made last  time, which                                                                    
     was  that I  didn't believe  there was  any regulations                                                                    
     that  had been  promulgated and  there are  regulations                                                                    
     that  apply  to  confidentiality, but  those  are  very                                                                    
     old....  I didn't  want to  leave the  impression there                                                                    
     are no regulations....                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:38:17 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. RUTHERDALE said the third change  on page 8 was the result of                                                               
a technical  edit that had  replaced "under" with  "in accordance                                                               
with"  and a  person in  her  department with  expertise in  tort                                                               
liability said it would be important to use the word "under".                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  1.  There  were  no                                                               
objections and Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON announced  that Amendment 2 was  up for consideration                                                               
and dealt  with the issue  of why parents  aren't on the  list of                                                               
folks who can get confidential information.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Page 5, line 13: delete "and"                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Page 5,  line 14: after  "section," add  "and as provided  to all                                                               
parties in a  child in need of aid proceeding  in accordance with                                                               
court rules,"                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Page 5,  line 22: delete  "(1) a  guardian ad litem  appointed by                                                               
the court;" and renumber accordingly                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:40:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. RUTHERDALE  explained why section  3 belongs where it  is and                                                               
not in  subsection (b).  Concern was raised  at the  last hearing                                                               
that parents  aren't on  the subsection (b)  list of  people that                                                               
the  agency  can disclose  confidential  information  to and  she                                                               
explained that  parents are parties  to a  case and they  get all                                                               
this  information and  more. It's  not  discretionary. They  have                                                               
access  to the  file on  the child.  She read  the definition  of                                                               
"parties" in Child In Need of Aid Rule 2(l):                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Party means the child, the  parents, the guardian - you                                                                    
     won't always  have a guardian,  but sometimes  you have                                                                    
     both parents and  guardians caring for the  child - the                                                                    
     guardian ad litem and the department.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Those people  would be the  parties to the case  in all                                                                    
     cases. Then:                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     An  Indian custodian  who has  intervened  - an  Indian                                                                    
     custodian is  a term  out of  the Indian  Child Welfare                                                                    
     Act...  but it  would  be like  a  grandparent who  has                                                                    
     assumed a parental  role in raising the  kids. They are                                                                    
     not legally a guardian,  but they are the custodian....                                                                    
     It's not an automatic  intervention. They actually have                                                                    
     to move to intervene before they get party status.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     And  then the  Indian child's  tribe -  if there  is an                                                                    
     Indian child's  tribe - who  has intervened -  it's not                                                                    
     automatic;  they have  to actually  move to  intervene.                                                                    
     Then  any   other  person  who  has   been  allowed  to                                                                    
     intervene in the court....                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     So parents, no  question, they are a party  to the case                                                                    
     and as  parties to the  case, like in all  civil cases,                                                                    
     they  are  entitled to  discovery  and  there is  court                                                                    
     rules  and specifically  in the  Child In  Need of  Aid                                                                    
     (CINA) case, but it generally  refers back to the civil                                                                    
     process with a few exceptions.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:44:46 PM                                                                                                                    
She explained a  discovery order in terms of access  and said the                                                               
point  is, it's  not appropriate  to place  access into  statute.                                                               
"This is sort  of the province of the court  to have these orders                                                               
determining what  the discovery  is...." The  district attorney's                                                               
office  said the  criminal  discovery process  is  the same.  She                                                               
thought this amendment  was a good solution.  The other amendment                                                               
- removing  subsection (b)(1)  a guardian  ad litem  appointed by                                                               
the court -  doesn't necessarily have to be done,  but a guardian                                                               
is a party and it seems odd that  they are the only party that is                                                               
actually listed. So, the amendment cleans that up.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:47:56 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DYSON asked  if subsection  (a) talks  about parties  of a                                                               
case that  are always considered  a party  to a case  unless they                                                               
are excluded or non-existent and  subsection (b) talks about non-                                                               
parties that may be included.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. RUTHERDALE replied that was correct.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKIN  moved  to  adopt  Amendment  2.  There  were  no                                                               
objections and Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:49:49 PM                                                                                                                    
BETTY  ROLLINS,   Fairbanks  resident,  took  exception   to  Ms.                                                               
Rutherdale's statement  because they  are not talking  just about                                                               
court action where  people are parties to a case,  but about day-                                                               
to-day operations.  She asked why  the state is fighting  so hard                                                               
to keep parents out of the  loop. Public defenders have up to 100                                                               
cases during  a year and this  doesn't give them time  to respond                                                               
to each parent. She insisted:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The parent  must be privileged to  any information that                                                                    
     the  foster parent,  the guardian  ad litem,  anyone in                                                                    
     this  case...without  their  attorney  -  because  many                                                                    
     times   I've  seen   cases   where   the  parent   will                                                                    
     continually call their attorney  and they don't see him                                                                    
     until the date of the hearing.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
She said  the federal  law doesn't really  state that  people are                                                               
allowed to get public information  and she thought that should be                                                               
clarified.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:51:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SCOTT  CALDER, Fairbanks  resident,  stated  that the  Permanency                                                               
Planning  Act of  1990  in Chapter  1.17,  SLA1990 concerned  the                                                               
citizen  review panel  that was  never properly  implemented. His                                                               
experience is that things are not  as they are represented by the                                                               
state. He  agreed with the  changing "may" to  "shall" amendment.                                                               
His experience was that parents  were abused or shuffled around a                                                               
little too  harshly in these  proceedings. He also wanted  to see                                                               
greater respect for tribal representatives.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:55:49 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON reiterated that the  primary issue here is to protect                                                               
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CALDER  responded that you  can't promote safety  of children                                                               
by keeping information from their parents.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:57:43 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIM  ELTON moved  to report  CSSB 84(HES)  from committee                                                               
with individual  recommendations and attached fiscal  note. There                                                               
were no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:58:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
               SB  51-PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR FRED DYSON announced SB 51 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ELLIE  FITZJARRALD,   Chief,  Policy  and   Program  Development,                                                               
Division of  Public Assistance, Department  of Health  and Social                                                               
Services (DHSS),  said that when  Cook Inlet Tribal,  Bristol Bay                                                               
Native Association and the Milick  Association come on board with                                                               
their  Native   Family  Assistance  Programs,   approximately  35                                                               
percent of the  temporary assistance families in  Alaska would be                                                               
served by Native organizations.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:30 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON  said he was  concerned about expanding the  costs of                                                               
Medicaid  and asked  if the  department believes  SB 51  does not                                                               
increase those costs.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. FITZJARRALD replied that the  Temporary Assistance Program is                                                               
a  federal  block  grant  program  with  a  maintenance-of-effort                                                               
provision that  the state contributes  funding to receive  it. As                                                               
that program  wends its way  through Congress, proposals  to date                                                               
show  there is  level  funding  and it  should  remain that  way.                                                               
Alaska has had  a caseload reduction and has been  able to invest                                                               
the federal dollars  into programs and services  for families and                                                               
it  is not  costing the  state any  more. The  fiscal note  shows                                                               
about  a $2  million  general fund  savings as  a  result in  the                                                               
adjustment of the department's maintenance of effort.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:01:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON asked what happens  if the federal funding ceases and                                                               
the state has accepted an  implied obligation to keep the funding                                                               
at that level with state funds.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FITZJARRALD  replied that  current  statute  and grants  are                                                               
structured "subject to appropriation."  The grants are negotiated                                                               
year-to-year.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN said  he wanted it made clear that  if a dollar of                                                               
federal money  goes away, the  corresponding dollar goes  away in                                                               
the  general fund  and that  it is  not expected  to pick  up the                                                               
shortfall in federal revenue.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:02:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  FITZJARRALD  said  the   department  has  sustained  funding                                                               
through  caseload  reduction  and  there  is  no  requirement  in                                                               
federal law  that states provide supplemental  funding. If Native                                                               
organizations  get  caught in  a  situation  where they  couldn't                                                               
afford  to run  their program,  they have  the option  to rescind                                                               
from the program  and it then becomes  the state's responsibility                                                               
to  provide assistance  and services.  That could  increase their                                                               
general fund maintenance of effort need.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:04:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DYSON said  some audits  of  programs in  the Division  of                                                               
Health and Human Services indicate  irregularities in the past in                                                               
funding subcontractors. He asked what  the division does to audit                                                               
their performance and how does it attract money.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:05:41 PM                                                                                                                    
MS. FITZJARRALD  replied that the statute  requires yearly audits                                                               
by a CPA. The department audits its programs each year as well.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:07:37 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON asked  if SB 51 gets signed into  law, when would the                                                               
programs start up.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. FITZJARRALD replied  that some are already  running - Tlingit                                                               
and Haida, ABCP Bethel, Tanana  Chiefs. Cook Inlet Tribal Council                                                               
will start  on July  1, 2005 and  Bristol Bay  Native Association                                                               
and Cape Hope will start in 2006.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  said that documentation  says existing  programs are                                                               
doing well and  he asked if these programs had  been audited this                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. FITZJARRALD replied yes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked for copies of the audits                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:09:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WILKEN  said he  didn't understand why  the SB  51 fiscal                                                               
note has only one component - CITC.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FITZJARRALD replied  that is  because the  financing of  the                                                               
other  three organizations  have been  in their  operating budget                                                               
since 2000 and aren't part of the new program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  LYDA GREEN  asked if  Cook Inlet  Tribal Council  is the                                                               
only new program.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FITZJARRALD   replied  yes,  although  Bristol   Native  Bay                                                               
Association  and  the  Milick  Association  have  also  submitted                                                               
letters of intent to begin running in 2006.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN  said that Native groups  have different benchmarks                                                               
and  asked if  they could  pay out  less than  the state  payment                                                               
would be to the same person.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FITZJARRALD replied yes.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:11:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GREEN  asked if the  department could use  leftover money                                                               
for new and different programs.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FITZJARRALD answered  yes, but  not with  state supplemental                                                               
funding. They  can use  their federal block  grant to  invest and                                                               
provide supports  for low-income families.  It's all tied  to the                                                               
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN  asked if  their records  reflect exactly  what was                                                               
paid out.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FITZJARRALD  replied  that  is  correct.  Both  monthly  and                                                               
quarterly reports of paid benefits are prepared.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:13:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GREEN asked  if there is any way to  debit one account to                                                               
give flexibility to another one.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. FITZJARRALD  replied that Native organizations  have the same                                                               
flexibility as the state in that  they have federal money and the                                                               
state  maintenance  of  effort   supplemental  funds.  The  state                                                               
contribution provides  the supplemental  funds needed to  pay for                                                               
various forms of assistance.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:15:07 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON  said the  committee has expressed  that it  does not                                                               
want people who  are unwilling to relocate to secure  work or who                                                               
are unwilling  to work to  receive welfare. A  federal regulation                                                               
says  if  a community  has  more  than 50  percent  unemployment,                                                               
benefits can be extended. He asked where that money comes from.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FITZJARRALD explained  that federal  law, as  well as  state                                                               
law, exempts  families who are  living in Alaska  Native villages                                                               
or on a reservation from the  60-day time limit, if the number of                                                               
adults not working in their community is 50 percent or more.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:16:38 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON asked  if the state statute could be  changed so that                                                               
the state component  of the funding does not have  to extend past                                                               
the 60 days for those unwilling to relocate for work.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FITZJARRALD replied  that  she would  have  to consult  with                                                               
legal folks on that issue.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:18:19 PM                                                                                                                    
TONY  LOMBARDO, Deputy  Commissioner,  Department  of Health  and                                                               
Social   Services,  said   he  would   discuss   that  with   the                                                               
commissioner and get back to committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONNY  OLSON asked  what happened  to the  application of                                                               
the original four people in Metlakatla.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. FITZJARRALD  replied that at  the time the  pilot legislation                                                               
passed, Metlakatla  had expressed  an interest  in participating,                                                               
but later decided against it.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OLSON  asked if  the  other  nine  might make  the  same                                                               
decision and  that should be  figured into the  financial concern                                                               
expressed by Senator Wilken.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. FITZJARRALD  replied that she  had not heard of  any interest                                                               
from the others  besides from Bristol Bay  Native Association and                                                               
Milick.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:20:00 PM                                                                                                                    
DON SHIRCEL, Director, Family  Services, Tanana Chiefs Conference                                                               
(TCC), strongly supported SB 51.  He said TCC statistics indicate                                                               
that more  Native families  are working  for the  assistance they                                                               
receive. However, he mentioned that  a shortcoming of the bill is                                                               
that it includes no references to child support programs.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:25:58 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON asked him to send written testimony on that issue.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
DEAN  GEORGE, TANF  Program  Coordinator,  Tlingit Haida  Central                                                               
Council,  supported  SB  51  and   offered  to  answer  questions                                                               
regarding  his report.  He noted  that he  serves the  geographic                                                               
region from Yakutat down to Saxman, excluding Metlakatla.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN asked  if his current program was  derived from the                                                               
pilot program.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GEORGE replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:28:36 PM                                                                                                                    
AMANDA BLACKGOAT, Finance System  Specialist, TANF, Tlingit Haida                                                               
Central Council, said she now  holds clients more responsible for                                                               
double dipping and fraud.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON asked if she had ever prosecuted anybody.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLACKGOAT replied no, because  that it is too time consuming,                                                               
but she recoups the money in other ways.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:30:42 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GREEN asked  if the number of  participants attempting to                                                               
double dip now zero.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GEORGE  responded that  his  experience  is that  they  have                                                               
stopped double dipping altogether.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:32:06 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DYSON  commented that  he would like  to hear  about people                                                               
who  are unwilling  to relocate  to where  jobs are  at a  future                                                               
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ELTON  moved to pass  CSSB 51(HES) out of  committee with                                                               
individual recommendations  and attached fiscal note.  There were                                                               
no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:32:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
           SB 75-PUBLIC HEALTH DISASTERS/EMERGENCIES                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR FRED DYSON announced SB 75 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  RICHARD  MANDSAGER,  Director, Division  of  Public  Health,                                                               
Department of Health  & Social Services (DHSS),  proceeded with a                                                               
20-minute  slide  presentation  focusing  on  the  public  health                                                               
system.  He relayed  a quote  from "The  Institute of  Medicine,"                                                               
which  says,  "Public   health  is  what  we  as   a  society  do                                                               
collectively to assure  that the conditions in  which people live                                                               
can be healthy."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  said there  are  many partners  in public  health  and SB  75                                                               
focuses on  the governmental part  of the public health  system -                                                               
sewage removal and  treatment, safe water, clean  air, removal of                                                               
lead from gasoline.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER emphasized  that public health is  not health care,                                                               
but  rather  it  focuses  on   populations  and  prevention,  not                                                               
treatment.  It focuses  on testing  kids  for TB  in schools  and                                                               
injury  prevention  projects  like  on  how  to  prevent  logging                                                               
accidents.  He gave  another  example from  last  year, when  the                                                               
department addressed  cruise ship  sickness, which turned  out to                                                               
be caused  by oysters  from Kachemak Bay.  Public health  work is                                                               
involved  in places  you don't  expect it  and problems  can't be                                                               
predicted from year to year.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
He  said that  SB 75  supports the  work the  Division of  Public                                                               
Health does and addresses  its underpinning statutory weaknesses.                                                               
He said  the department  is very dependent  on federal  funds for                                                               
preparedness  work, which  started being  redirected last  summer                                                               
and he thought it would probably continue going that way.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:43:25 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. MANDSAGER said  that tuberculosis still exists  in Alaska and                                                               
work  will always  have to  be  done to  minimize outbreaks.  The                                                               
public  health world  is  now worried  about  SARS mutating  into                                                               
human-to-human transmission as three  cases have been documented.                                                               
It  attacks young  adults and  healthy people.  For the  last two                                                               
years  the  mortality  rate  has  been  70  percent.  Traditional                                                               
disease control generally involves  isolation and the state would                                                               
have to quarantine people if that  were to happen in the next few                                                               
years.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Bringing current  law that  is based  on 1949  statues containing                                                               
the  basic public  health framework  up to  date in  SB 75  would                                                               
allow the division to address  current issues like what different                                                               
cultures expect in  terms of health care  and present-day chronic                                                               
disease  outbreaks. Further  he  said that  current law  contains                                                               
nothing about due process. He said:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In my  view this bill is  all about trying to  find the                                                                    
     right balance between the  mission of protecting public                                                                    
     health and an individual's right  to due process in the                                                                    
     case they think government has overreached....                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:46:41 PM                                                                                                                    
DR. MANDSAGER explained that the  definition of "essential public                                                               
health services" is based on  the nationally accepted definitions                                                               
from the U.S.  Public Health Functions Task Force  and is further                                                               
based  on two  reports  published in  the last  15  years by  the                                                               
Institute of Medicine.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He  related  an  example  of  blood surveys  for  lead  dust  the                                                               
department did  10 years  ago in the  communities around  the Red                                                               
Dog  Mine. When  the department  went back  this fall  and tested                                                               
people again,  it found no  evidence of lead absorption.  He also                                                               
noted on-going concerns about asbestos in the gravel at Ambler.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:49:39 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  MANDSAGER continued  reviewing his  slide presentation.  The                                                               
meat of the  bill is in section 8, the  quarantine, isolation and                                                               
medical  treatment section.  Only  one state  in country  doesn't                                                               
have adequate statutory authority to  quarantine in response to a                                                               
bio-terrorism  attack scenario  and that  is Alaska.  Because the                                                               
department  has authority  for two  diseases only,  if small  pox                                                               
showed up, he  would have to persuade a judge  that their general                                                               
governmental   authorities  are   broad   enough   for  them   to                                                               
immediately isolate that patient.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:52:39 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON asked why section  3 deletes annual TB screening in                                                               
public  schools because  he just  mentioned that  TB is  still an                                                               
issue in Alaska.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER   replied  that  the  cost   benefit  analysis  of                                                               
screening  rules   doesn't  justify   annual  testing   of  every                                                               
schoolteacher  and child  in the  State  of Alaska.  He said  the                                                               
department has been  working on this issue on  a regulatory basis                                                               
and this section updates the statute to reflect that.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:54:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON asked if it reduces the cost to districts.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER replied yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON  asked if  he could  still do  what was  necessary by                                                               
regulation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER replied yes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked  him to describe the  interaction between the                                                               
Center  for   Disease  Control  (CDC)   and  the   Public  Health                                                               
Department in the case of a disease outbreak.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  replied that the  arrangement is  complicated, but                                                               
works well  because Alaska  has a small  population. The  CDC has                                                               
authority on  cruise ships  until they  dock. His  division takes                                                               
over  on  land.  He  said  the federal  government  is  going  to                                                               
establish  a special  quarantine  office in  Washington, D.C.  to                                                               
deal  with quarantine  authority for  disease outbreaks.  Because                                                               
the communications  between involved  people are good  in Alaska,                                                               
dealing with the cruise ship industry has worked well so far.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:56:36 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  OLSON asked  if it  is possible  to quarantine  a cruise                                                               
ship without it docking.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER  replied  yes  and   in  that  case  the  CDC  has                                                               
authority.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked if the  CDC has any problems  working within                                                               
the Alaskan constitution.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER replied that he didn't see any.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked if it would  be more advantageous for  a new                                                               
lab to be  built in a more central location  than Fairbanks since                                                               
most aircraft heads toward Anchorage.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER replied that that question  gets to the core of the                                                               
next  bill up  for consideration  [SB  73] and  the debate  about                                                               
sample processing  is important.  Some testing for  human viruses                                                               
can get to Fairbanks fast  enough to diagnose quickly. That could                                                               
be a problem if there  weren't many flights between Anchorage and                                                               
Fairbanks daily.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON said  that time is of the essence  in a rabies case                                                               
in Dutch Harbor.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER replied that the  biggest risk from Dutch Harbor is                                                               
getting  to Anchorage,  not to  Fairbanks. The  biggest issue  is                                                               
getting the sample from anywhere in  rural Alaska to a hub in the                                                               
first  place.  He said  the  Governor's  office had  prepared  an                                                               
amendment that the Department of Law and the Office of Public                                                                   
Advocacy had agreeable on.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WILKEN moved to adopt Amendment 1 that was prepared by                                                                  
Dr. Mandsager as follows:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     TO: SB 75                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page  13, line  28: Delete  all material  following "g"                                                                    
     through page 13, line 31                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 14, line 1: Delete  "the office of public advocacy                                                                    
     to provide a guardian ad litem for the individual."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Page 17,  following line  14: Insert:  "Sec. 18.15.389.                                                                    
     Representation;  guardian ad  litem. An  individual who                                                                    
     is   the    respondent   in   proceedings    under   AS                                                                    
     18.,15.375(e)  or   18.15.385  has  the  right   to  be                                                                    
     represented  by  counsel  in the  proceedings.  If  the                                                                    
     individual cannot  afford an attorney, the  court shall                                                                    
     direct  the  public  defender   agency  to  provide  an                                                                    
     attorney.  The court  may, on  its own  motion or  upon                                                                    
     request  of  the  individual's  attorney  or  a  party,                                                                    
     direct  the  office of  public  advocacy  to provide  a                                                                    
     guardian ad litem for the individual."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There were no objections and Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:02:32 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON moved to adopt Amendment 2.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 2                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     TO: SB 75                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 6, line  17: After (4) the  transportation of dead                                                                    
     bodies, insert  "except that  the commissioner  may not                                                                    
     require that  a dead body  be embalmed unless  the body                                                                    
     is known to carry  a communicable disease or embalmment                                                                    
     is otherwise required for the  protection of the public                                                                    
     health or for compliance with federal law;"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  ELTON explained  that Amendment  2 was  prepared due  to                                                               
another  bill he  co-sponsored with  the  chairman that  provides                                                               
that  transportation  of dead  bodies  doesn't  require a  waiver                                                               
process.  Families of  members of  some faiths  don't believe  in                                                               
embalming and  want bodies  buried in  the Holy  Land or  next to                                                               
relatives in other states that  require embalming before they can                                                               
be  shipped out.  Currently  waivers have  been  issued in  these                                                               
circumstances,  but  that  is  not   in  statute.  The  amendment                                                               
provides  that the  bodies can  be transferred  unembalmed unless                                                               
there is  a public  health risk.   Adopting this  amendment means                                                               
they would not have to take up the separate bill.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:04:44 PM                                                                                                                    
DR.  MANDSAGER  said  he  had no  objection  to  Senator  Elton's                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON said  he understood that bodies are  sealed and there                                                               
are no public health issues by not embalming them.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  added that  dry ice  is available  today in  a way                                                               
that it wasn't when the statute was written several decades ago.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN remarked  that a member of the other  body ran into                                                               
problems in transporting a body  across state lines and asked how                                                               
transportation could be assured.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER  replied  that  federal  law  covers  jurisdiction                                                               
across state  lines and  this clause  would be  okay. He  had not                                                               
done a thorough  study of how this would interact  with all other                                                               
states' statutes, however.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR GREEN noted that there was no fiscal note.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:06:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR ELTON added  that SB 39 on this same  issue had no fiscal                                                               
note either.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON  asked if any  disease had  ever been spread  by an                                                               
unembalmed body.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER replied that he was not aware of any.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON noted there were  no further objections and Amendment                                                               
2 was adopted.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:08:29 PM                                                                                                                    
NATHAN JOHNSON, Division  Manager, Anchorage Municipal Department                                                               
of  Health and  Social Services,  supported  SB 75.  He said  the                                                               
state  statutes are  antiquated and  it is  imperative to  update                                                               
them  for  bioterrorism,  avian  flu  and  the  entire  scope  of                                                               
present-day public health concerns.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:10:34 PM                                                                                                                    
ROD  BEATTY,  President,  Alaska   State  Hospital  Nursing  Home                                                               
Association (ASHNHA) supported  SB 75 and the fact  that it takes                                                               
care  of  public  health  before  anything  serious  happens.  He                                                               
especially  praised spelling  out  privacy  issues surrounding  a                                                               
public health emergency.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DYSON  asked  Dr.  Mandsager   to  explain  the  religious                                                               
treatment of tuberculosis that is repealed in section 12.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  deferred to Dan Branch,  Senior Assistant Attorney                                                               
General Department of Law, who  explained that SB 75 upgrades the                                                               
chapter that  currently deals  with tuberculosis  and it  was not                                                               
the  intent  to  implicate   religious  beliefs  with  quarantine                                                               
isolation testing.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GREEN moved  to pass  CSSB 75(HES)  from committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations  and  fiscal   note.  There  were  no                                                               
objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:14:13 PM                                                                                                                    
         SB  73-SCHOOL BOND REIMBURSEMENT/VIROLOGY LAB                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
CHAIR FRED DYSON announced SB 73 to be up for consideration.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  RICHARD  MANDSAGER,  Director, Division  of  Public  Health,                                                               
Department of  Health and Social  Services (DHSS)  explained that                                                               
SB  73  deals  with  constructing   the  virology  laboratory  in                                                               
Fairbanks. He  proceeded with  a slide  presentation. He  gave an                                                               
example  of expeditious  virus  diagnoses  concerning last  years                                                               
Iditarod and the measles outbreak in Juneau.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:19:46 PM                                                                                                                    
The  staff  capabilities  Fairbanks  lab is  superb  despite  its                                                               
physical plant  problems. He said,  "It is  viewed as one  of the                                                               
best in the country" and  that moving the laboratory to Anchorage                                                               
would take two years of recruitment  to rebuild it to its current                                                               
capability.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER related  that the  University is  also building  a                                                               
human biology  and genetics mission  and having a  Biopac Student                                                               
Laboratory  (BSL)   lab  on  campus   offers  a  great   deal  of                                                               
opportunity  for  researches  to   do  things  they  couldn't  do                                                               
otherwise. "So, last  summer as I was meeting with  UAF staff, to                                                               
say that the  biologists are excited about the  possibility of it                                                               
being up in Fairbanks is to  put it mildly!" A new facility would                                                               
also  give the  state more  surge capacity  for handling  a large                                                               
number  of samples.  It would  be connected  to the  new building                                                               
under  construction on  campus  and the  price  is $24.2  million                                                               
financed through certificates of participation (COP).                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:21:44 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WILKEN asked who would own the building.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. MANDSAGER  replied that  the building would  be owned  by the                                                               
department,  but it  would  be located  on  University land.  The                                                               
University and department will have  a no-cost 30-year land lease                                                               
with  two 10-year  options. The  COPs are  for 15  years at  $2.3                                                               
million per year.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:24:21 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WILKEN moved to adopt Amendment 1.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                          AMENDMENT 1                                                                                         
     TO: SB 73                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
       Page 1, lines 2-3: Delete "on land provided by the                                                                       
     University of Alaska, Fairbanks,"                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 11: Delete "provided" and insert "leased                                                                      
     from"                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 12: Delete "by"                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DYSON objected for discussion purposes.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR.  MANDSAGER explained  that after  SB 73  was introduced,  the                                                               
University  pointed out  that it  owned the  land the  department                                                               
would be leasing and this satisfies university interests.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  DYSON  removed  his  objection.   There  were  no  further                                                               
objections and Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:25:38 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM BOUTIN, Deputy Commissioner,  Department of Revenue, said the                                                               
debt does not  create a concern and offered to  talk about credit                                                               
issues and the fiscal note.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WILKEN asked  if  the  state paid  cash,  would it  save                                                               
$11,572,000 in reference to page 2, lines 18 through 20.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUTIN  replied that is an  estimate of debt service  over 15                                                               
years  using a  comparable interest  rate. He  explained that  on                                                               
January  25,  the State  Bond  Committee  and the  Department  of                                                               
Revenue did a competitive sale of  debt, which was rated the same                                                               
as this  is, but at  a 10-year maturity.  Out of 10  bidders, the                                                               
winning  bid was  3.102 percent.  So, that  is why  he used  that                                                               
figure.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR OLSON asked what entities are involved with the COPs.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUTIN  replied that  the  department  uses the  State  Bond                                                               
Committee.  The  commissioner  of  the  Department  of  Commerce,                                                               
Community &  Economic Development is the  chair, the commissioner                                                               
of  the Department  of Revenue  (DOR)  is the  secretary and  the                                                               
commission  of  the Department  of  Administration  is the  third                                                               
member. The staff work is performed by DOR contractors.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:28:32 PM                                                                                                                    
JOHN BLAKE,  Director, Office  of Research  Integrity, University                                                               
of  Alaska Fairbanks  strongly supported  SB 73  and keeping  the                                                               
virology lab in  Fairbanks. The north end of  the campus building                                                               
was designed  with the intent  that the state virology  lab would                                                               
be attached to it.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  OLSON asked  him to  advise the  committee about  future                                                               
recruitment efforts for professional staff to UAF.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BLAKE  replied  that  his  primary focus  is  to  move  into                                                               
infectious disease  research and the University  has good funding                                                               
from  the  National  Institute  of Health.  He  expects  work  to                                                               
increase and integration  to occur even more with  the arrival of                                                               
the state lab.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:31:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WILKEN  moved to  pass CSSB  73(HES) from  committee with                                                               
individual recommendations  and attached fiscal note.  There were                                                               
no objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
CHAIR DYSON adjourned the meeting at 3:31:58 PM.                                                                              

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