Legislature(2025 - 2026)SENATE FINANCE 532

05/02/2025 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ SB 138 TAXATION: VEHICLE RENTALS, SUBPOENAS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled:
+= HB 53 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 53(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 55 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 55(FIN) Out of Committee
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                        May 2, 2025                                                                                             
                         9:02 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:02:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:02 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Mike Cronk                                                                                                              
Senator James Kaufman                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Carly Dennis, Staff, Senator Matt Claman; Pete Ecklund,                                                                         
Staff, Senator Lyman Hoffman.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Matt   Claman,  Sponsor;  Brandon   Spanos,  Deputy                                                                    
Director,  Tax Division,  Department of  Revenue, Anchorage;                                                                    
Nicole  Stewart, Self,  Fairbanks; Claire  Holland LeClaire,                                                                    
Self, Anchorage.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 138    TAXATION: VEHICLE RENTALS, SUBPOENAS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          SB 138 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 53(FIN) am(brf sup maj fld)(efd fld)                                                                                       
          APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          SCS CSHB 53(FIN) was REPORTED out of committee                                                                        
          with five "do pass" recommendations and two                                                                           
          "amend" recommendations.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 55(FIN)                                                                                                                    
          APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          SCS CSHB 55(FIN) was REPORTED out of committee                                                                        
          with five "do pass" recommendations and two "no                                                                       
          recommendations."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 138                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to vehicle rental taxes; relating to                                                                      
     the issuance of subpoenas related to tax records; and                                                                      
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:03:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARLY  DENNIS, STAF,  SENATOR  MATT  CLAMAN, introduced  the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asked for a history of the issue.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Dennis replied  stated that the bill had  been around in                                                                    
various forms over the last five years.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:07:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MATT CLAMAN,  SPONSOR (via  teleconference), stated                                                                    
that  the  bill had  been  copied  initially from  the  year                                                                    
prior, but the Labor and  Commerce Committee changed it to a                                                                    
flat fee of 9 percent for all rentals.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cronk queried the expected increase in tax revenue.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Dennis  replied that the  fiscal note  was indeterminate                                                                    
because the Department  of Revenue (DOR) was  unaware of how                                                                    
many people were using the platforms.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman remarked  that the  fiscal note  was still                                                                    
forthcoming.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl remarked  that Anchorage  a similar  law, and                                                                    
wondered about the impact on their tax collections.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Dennis   replied  that,  discounting  the   year  2020,                                                                    
Anchorage  had seen  approximately  $9 million  a year  from                                                                    
vehicle rental tax revenue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:10:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl wondered  whether Anchorage  had changed  its                                                                    
tax rate when it initiated the vehicle rental tax.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Dennis replied that they did not.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl  surmised that the  bill introduced a  tax cut                                                                    
that raised more revenue.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Dennis agreed with that statement.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman stated  that  he had  a  question for  the                                                                    
deputy tax director.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Merrick wondered whether it was a new tax.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Dennis replied that it was not.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered whether the tax  was currently in                                                                    
place,  and queried  the  constitutional  provisions of  the                                                                    
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:11:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON  SPANOS, DEPUTY  DIRECTOR, TAX  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF  REVENUE, ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference), replied  that                                                                    
the tax was overly broad, and  stated that it was imposed on                                                                    
the   individual  renting   the  vehicle   with  the   owner                                                                    
collecting and  remitting the tax.  He stated the  tax would                                                                    
apply  to  vehicles rented  through  the  platform, but  the                                                                    
platforms were not cooperating with the tax information.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman  requested   the   letters  and   dollars                                                                    
collected.   He  was   concerned   about  the   departments                                                                     
constitutional obligation to collect the taxes.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:15:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked about a  timeframe from the committee                                                                    
to receive the requested communications.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos replied  that he  could provide  the information                                                                    
within the week.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:15:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman asked that they be submitted by Wednesday.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  asked  for the  details  related  to  the                                                                    
letters.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  recalled  that there  would  be  information                                                                    
received  by the  Department of  Revenue  (DOR) which  would                                                                    
give information  about individuals renting the  cars on the                                                                    
platforms. He  noted that the  bill stopped DOR  from acting                                                                    
retroactively. He  wondered how many Alaskans  might receive                                                                    
a letter about what they owe in back taxes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Spanos  replied  that  the IRS  had  the  authority  to                                                                    
request a 1099-K  from the platform that  issued payments in                                                                    
excess of $600 to their customers.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:20:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Kiehl  felt   that  the   policy  should   be  set                                                                    
legislatively.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Claman stated  stressed  that  there were  existing                                                                    
obligations within statute to enforce law                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:21:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICOLE STEWART, SELF,  FAIRBANKS (via teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in support of the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered how the taxes were being paid.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Stewart replied  that she had not received  a letter and                                                                    
did not know who to pay the taxes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman wondered  whether the  taxes would  be set                                                                    
aside.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Stewart replied that she was not setting money aside.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:24:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAIRE    HOLLAND    LECLAIRE,    SELF,    ANCHORAGE    (via                                                                    
teleconference), spoke in support of the legislation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:26:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OPENED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman noted that the Department of Natural                                                                           
Resources (DNR) needed to provide a fiscal note.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Claman thanked the committee for hearing the bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB 138 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 53(FIN) am(brf sup maj fld)(efd fld)                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations;      and       making      supplemental                                                                    
     appropriations."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 55(FIN)                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:27:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman MOVED Amendment 1 (copy on file):                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT:    Revenue                                                                                                     
     APPROPRIATION: Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation                                                                           
     ALLOCATION:    Various                                                                                                     
     ADD: $14,564.3 1105 PF Gross                                                                                               
     POSITIONS:     Add I PFT position                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     EXPLANATION:  Match   the  Governor's   amended  budget                                                                    
     structure,  funding, and  transactions  for the  Alaska                                                                    
     Permanent  Fund  Corporation   by  reversing  all  SCS2                                                                    
     transactions reflected in the attached Transaction                                                                         
     Compare    report,    and   restoring    the    GovAmd+                                                                    
     transactions.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman explained the amendment.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman wondered if the chair of the subcommittee                                                                      
of the Department of Revenue had comments on the                                                                                
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl opposed the amendment.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:34:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman remarked that the amendment could be                                                                           
addressed in Conference Committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl stated that he did not believe anything was                                                                       
hidden.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman felt that certain words could erode the                                                                         
trust of the management of the Permanent Fund.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kaufman WITHDREW his amendment.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:36:58 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman MOVED to ADOPT Amendment 2 (copy on file):                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     DEPARTMENT:    Department of Fish and Game                                                                                 
     APPROPRIATION: Commercial Fisheries                                                                                        
    ALLOCATION:    Central Region Fisheries Management                                                                          
     ADD: $200.0 SDPR (1108)                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     EXPLANATION: Add $200.0 SDPR for Anchor Point In-                                                                          
     season Management Data Collection                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:37:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PETE ECKLUND, STAFF, SENATOR LYMAN HOFFMAN, explained the                                                                       
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman WITHDREW his OBJECTION.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kaufman  felt that  generally  the  process in  the                                                                    
committee had been  well, but felt that the  process on this                                                                    
particular issue was not managed properly.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman appreciated the comments.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:40:58 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:41:10 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:41:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  MOVED to  REPORT SCS  CSHB 53(FIN)  out of                                                                    
committee  with individual  recommendations, and  MOVED that                                                                    
Legislative Legal and the  Legislative Finance Division make                                                                    
any  technical  and  conforming   changes.  There  being  NO                                                                    
OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  MOVED to  REPORT SCS  CSHB 55(FIN)  out of                                                                    
committee  with individual  recommendations, and  MOVED that                                                                    
Legislative Legal and the  Legislative Finance Division make                                                                    
any technical and conforming changes.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:42:36 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:44:42 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SCS CSHB  53(FIN) was  REPORTED out  of committee  with five                                                                    
"do pass" recommendations and two "amend" recommendations.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SCS CSHB  55(FIN) was  REPORTED out  of committee  with five                                                                    
"do pass" recommendations and two "no recommendations."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
9:45:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:45 a.m.