Legislature(2023 - 2024)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/25/2024 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:20:22 AM Start
09:21:47 AM Fiscal Update: Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance Division
09:43:48 AM HB268 || HB270
09:47:38 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Fiscal Update by TELECONFERENCED
Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance
Division
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 268 APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP; AM TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 268(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 270 APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 270(FIN) Out of Committee
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 25, 2024                                                                                            
                         9:20 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:20:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                            
meeting to order at 9:20 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Donny Olson, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Senator Kelly Merrick                                                                                                           
Senator David Wilson                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Alexei Painter, Director, Legislative Finance Division.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 268(FIN)am                                                                                                                 
          APPROP: OPERATING BUDGET; CAP; SUPP; AM                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          SCS CSHB 268(FIN) was REPORTED OUT of committee                                                                       
          with six "do pass" recommendations and one "no                                                                        
          recommendation."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 270(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          APPROP: MENTAL HEALTH BUDGET                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          SCS CSHB 270(FIN) was REPORTED OUT of committee                                                                       
          with seven "do pass" recommendations.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
^FISCAL UPDATE: ALEXEI PAINTER, DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE                                                                         
FINANCE DIVISION                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:21:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
discussed the presentation, "Fiscal  Update" (copy on file).                                                                    
He  pointed to  slide  2, "FY24  BudgetSenate  Finance."  He                                                                    
detailed the numbers of the slide.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman asked  for an  explanation  of the  energy                                                                    
relief.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that  it would  "lock  in" the  amount                                                                    
based on the Spring Forecast.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  queried the estimated energy  relief check                                                                    
per citizen within the Senate draft.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  responded that  the  $143.3  million would  be                                                                    
approximately $222 per person  based on the projected number                                                                    
of dividend recipients.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:25:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Kiehl queried  the oil price for  the proposed $1000                                                                    
per person in energy relief.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that  the value  would  be about  $400                                                                    
million, so there would need to  be a price of over $100 per                                                                    
barrel of oil.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  wondered  whether  reducing  expenditures                                                                    
would result in an increased energy relief check.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter responded  that it  might, but  noted that  the                                                                    
supplemental budget had a surplus in FY 24.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Painter  addressed   slide   3,  "FY25   BudgetSenate                                                                     
Finance."  He  stated  that  the  committee  substitute  was                                                                    
outlined within the slide.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter looked at slide 4, "Outstanding Items":                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     • Fiscal notes (added in Conference Committee)                                                                             
            HB 193 (Broadband) signed by Governor with                                                                          
          $39.4 million fiscal note                                                                                             
            SB 170 (Senior Benefits) has $23.5 million                                                                          
          fiscal note                                                                                                           
            Other bills passing one body have combined                                                                          
          $14.5 million UGF fiscal notes as of 4-19-24                                                                          
     •   Salary    adjustments:   four    unions   currently                                                                    
     negotiating                                                                                                                
            Supervisory Unit, Correctional Officers, Labor,                                                                     
          Trades and Crafts, and new University of Alaska                                                                       
          Graduate Student Union                                                                                                
            If the three non-UA unions agreed to a 5%                                                                           
          increase, LFD estimates the UGF cost would be at                                                                      
          least $26.0 million                                                                                                   
     • House additions to capital budget                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:33:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  highlighted slide 5,  "FY25 Senate  Budget with                                                                    
Added Items." He detailed the numbers within the slide.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  wondered whether  the number  would return                                                                    
to net zero in conference committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:35:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   asked  about  the   supplemental  budget                                                                    
adjustments.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that  there was  an addition  of $320.9                                                                    
million of UGF to the supplemental budget.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman   asked  about  the   supplemental  budget                                                                    
related to operating agencies.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied the majority  of the supplemental budget                                                                    
was directed to fire suppression,  and the remainder went to                                                                    
the Department of Corrections (DOC).                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman relayed that  there were additional billing                                                                    
to the committee of approximately  $130 million. He stressed                                                                    
that  the   committee  needed  to   be  prepared   for  high                                                                    
supplemental  requests,  requiring  some "cushion"  for  the                                                                    
upcoming bills.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter  addressed  slide  6,  "FY24  and  FY25  Senate                                                                    
Finance Fiscal Summary."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  discussed slide 7,  "House Fiscal  Summary plus                                                                    
Capital Budget."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman wondered  whether there  was an  assertion                                                                    
that  required  cutting $268  million  in  order to  have  a                                                                    
dividend of $1.1 billion.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman noted that the  CBR could also be used, but                                                                    
noted that it would be improbable to get a CBR vote.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:40:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested the  approximate balance  of the                                                                    
CBR, and its recommended target.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Painter replied  that at  the beginning  of FY  24, the                                                                    
balance of the CBR was  $2.5 billion, which was $200 million                                                                    
than  what  was  estimated.  He   remarked  that  without  a                                                                    
withdrawal, there  would be some interest  earnings by about                                                                    
$200 million. He  stated that cash flow  required about $500                                                                    
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  surmised that  the CBR should  continue to                                                                    
increase by at  least $1 billion to  prepare for fluctuating                                                                    
oil prices.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 268(FIN) am(brf sup maj fld)                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     loan  program  expenses  of state  government  and  for                                                                    
     certain   programs;    capitalizing   funds;   amending                                                                    
     appropriations; making  supplemental appropriations and                                                                    
     reappropriations;  and   providing  for   an  effective                                                                    
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 270(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act making  appropriations for  the operating  and                                                                    
     capital    expenses   of    the   state's    integrated                                                                    
     comprehensive mental health  program; and providing for                                                                    
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:43:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Merrick MOVED to ADOPT  the committee substitute for                                                                    
CSHB 268(FIN)am, Work Draft 33-GH2492\T (Marx, 2/24/24).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman OBJECTED for discussion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  REMOVED  his OBJECTION.  There  being  NO                                                                    
further OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Kiehl  MOVED  to  REPORT  SCS  CSHB  268(FIN)  from                                                                    
committee  with individual  recommendations, and  MOVED that                                                                    
the Divisions  of Legislative Legal and  Legislative Finance                                                                    
make  technical  and  conforming  changes  to  the  bill  as                                                                    
necessary. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:45:28 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:46:09 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilson  MOVED  to REPORT  SCS  CSHB  270(FIN)  from                                                                    
committee  with individual  recommendations, and  MOVED that                                                                    
the Divisions  of Legislative Legal and  Legislative Finance                                                                    
make  technical  and  conforming  changes  to  the  bill  as                                                                    
necessary. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SCS CSHB  268(FIN) was  REPORTED OUT  of committee  with six                                                                    
"do pass" recommendations and one "no recommendation."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SCS CSHB 270(FIN)  was REPORTED OUT of  committee with seven                                                                    
"do pass" recommendations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
9:47:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 9:47 a.m.                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
042524 SFIN Fiscal Update 4-25-24.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268 HB 270
HB 268 work draft version T.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268
HB 268 HB 270 042524 SFinSup Agency Summary - UGF Only - F.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268
HB 270
HB 268 HB 270 042524 SFinSup Agency Summary - All Funds - E.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268
HB 270
HB 268 HB 270 042524 SFinSup Statewide Totals - All Funds - D.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268
HB 270
HB 268 HB 270 042524 SFin Agency Summary - UGF Only - C.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268
HB 270
HB 268 HB 270 042524 SFin Agency Summary - All Funds - B.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268
HB 270
HB 268 HB 270 042524 SFin Statewide Totals - All Funds - A.pdf SFIN 4/25/2024 9:00:00 AM
HB 268
HB 270