Legislature(2017 - 2018)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/19/2018 01:30 PM FINANCE

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01:34:54 PM Start
01:35:25 PM Public Testimony
04:40:11 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 127 CRIMINAL LAW;PAROLE;PROBATION;SENTENCING TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony <Limited to 2 Minutes> --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 19, 2018                                                                                            
                         1:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:34:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  called  the  Senate  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:34 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Anna MacKinnon, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Vice-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Talia Eames,  Tlingit and Haida, Juneau;  Kara Nelson, Haven                                                                    
House  Juneau,   Juneau;  Casey  DenAdel,   Recovery  Coach,                                                                    
Juneau; Michael Vanlinden, Self,  Juneau; Linda Watts, Self,                                                                    
Juneau; Chloe  Abbott, Self, Juneau; Don  Habegar, Community                                                                    
Coordinator,  Juneau  Reentry   Coalition,  Juneau;  William                                                                    
Musser,   Self,   Juneau;    Representative   Dan   Saddler;                                                                    
Representative Justin  Parrish; Senator Tom  Begich; Senator                                                                    
Mike  Shower; Representative  Lora  Reinbold; Chris  Nelson,                                                                    
Self, Juneau; Representative Mia Costello, Sponsor.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Cris Eichenlaub, Self, Eagle  River; Julie Kitka, President,                                                                    
Alaska Federation  of Natives, Anchorage; Nikki  Rose, Self,                                                                    
Anchorage;  Gregory  Razo,  Alaska  Federation  of  Natives,                                                                    
Anchorage; Johnny Murdock, Self,  Wasilla; Lisa Ameen, Self,                                                                    
MatSu LIO;  Greg Wulrschick,  Alaska Tire  World, Anchorage;                                                                    
Shawn  Williams,  Self,  Anchorage; Steve  Williams,  Alaska                                                                    
Mental  Health Trust,  Anchorage; Brenda  Stanfill, Interior                                                                    
of Alaska  for Non-Violent Living, Fairbanks;  Bonnie Lilly,                                                                    
Self,  Anchorage;  Michael  Jeffery, Self,  Canada;  Kristin                                                                    
Bush, Self, Eagle River; Marsha  Oss, Fairbanks Reentry Case                                                                    
Manager,  Fairbanks;  Bradley  Miller,  Self,  Eagle  River;                                                                    
Natasha Singh,  Tanana Chiefs Conference,  Fairbanks; Shenah                                                                    
Ray,  Self,  Anchorage;  Hunter Matthews,  Self,  Anchorage;                                                                    
Mike  Volz,   Self,  Anchorage;  Lynette   Clark,  Chairman,                                                                    
Alaskan  Independence  Party,   Fox;  Stacy  Johnson,  Self,                                                                    
Anchorage; Jeff  Landfield, Self, Anchorage;  Sherry Miller,                                                                    
Self,  Eagle   River;  Zach  Pearson,  PCHS,   Kenai;  Billy                                                                    
Charles,  Self,  Emmonak;  Kate  Halford,  Self,  Anchorage;                                                                    
Kathleen  McLaughlin,  Partners Reentry  Center,  Anchorage;                                                                    
Audrey   Cucullu,  Reentry   Coordinator,  Kenai   Peninsula                                                                    
Reentry  Coalition,  Kenai;  Tammy Wells,  Self,  Anchorage;                                                                    
Kathleen   Shoop,  Self,   Palmer;  Cynthia   Strout,  Self,                                                                    
Anchorage; Robert  Gawrys, Self, Eagle River;  Angela Camos,                                                                    
Self,   Wasilla;  Ken   Federico,   Self,  Wasilla;   Damita                                                                    
Duplantis,   Self,   Anchorage;   Lars   Gleitsmann,   Self,                                                                    
Anchorage;  Herman  Morgan,  Self, Aniak;  Georgia  Kustura,                                                                    
Self,  Chugiak;  Melissa  Saunders, Self,  Anchorage;  Laura                                                                    
Wagner,  Self, Anchorage;  Darren Asplend,  Self, Anchorage;                                                                    
Mark  Martens,   Self,  Anchorage;  Edith   Grunwald,  Self,                                                                    
Palmer;  Michael Rose,  Self, Anchorage;  Nimi Tolva,  Self,                                                                    
Homer; Vicki Wallner, Self, Palmer.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 127    CRIMINAL LAW;PAROLE;PROBATION;SENTENCING                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          SB 127 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 127                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to   criminal  law  and  procedure;                                                                    
     relating to controlled  substances; relating to victims                                                                    
     of criminal  offenses; relating to  probation; relating                                                                    
     to  sentencing; relating  to  treatment program  credit                                                                    
     for  time  spent  toward  service   of  a  sentence  of                                                                    
     imprisonment;   relating   to    the   Violent   Crimes                                                                    
     Compensation   Board;   relating  to   permanent   fund                                                                    
     dividends; relating to  electronic monitoring; relating                                                                    
     to  penalties   for  violating   municipal  ordinances;                                                                    
     relating   to  parole;   relating  to   community  work                                                                    
     service;    relating   to    revocation,   termination,                                                                    
     suspension, cancellation, or  restoration of a driver's                                                                    
     license; relating to the duties  of the commissioner of                                                                    
     corrections; relating  to the duties of  the Department                                                                    
     of  Health and  Social Services;  relating to  civil in                                                                    
     rem  forfeiture  actions;  providing for  an  effective                                                                    
     date by repealing sec. 193,  ch. 36, SLA 2016, sec. 79,                                                                    
     ch.  1, 4SSLA  2017, sec.  81, ch.  1, 4SSLA  2017, and                                                                    
     sec.  83,  ch. 1,  4SSLA  2017;  and providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
^PUBLIC TESTIMONY                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:35:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  read the  title of  SB 127.  She advised                                                                    
that  public  testimony  was limited  to  two  minutes.  She                                                                    
informed that  the committee would proceed  according to the                                                                    
order in which  testifiers had arrived. She  asked people to                                                                    
identify  specific regions  of  the  state when  referencing                                                                    
crime in public testimony.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon OPENED public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:37:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRIS  EICHENLAUB, SELF,  EAGLE  RIVER (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in  support of  the bill.  He was  concerned about                                                                    
residents taking the  law into their own  hands. He asserted                                                                    
that jails  were full of  drugs and thought there  should be                                                                    
zero   tolerance,  including   for   tobacco  products.   He                                                                    
discussed sentencing.  He discussed  serious crimes  such as                                                                    
vehicle  theft.  He  thought   public  safety  should  be  a                                                                    
priority and that laws should  be for the maximum benefit of                                                                    
the  people.  He quoted  Ben  Carson.  He referenced  SB  91                                                                    
[criminal justice reform legislation passed in 2016].                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:40:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE  KITKA,  PRESIDENT,   ALASKA  FEDERATION  OF  NATIVES,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke in opposition  to the                                                                    
bill.  She   opposed  rolling  back  provisions   of  recent                                                                    
criminal  justice  reform.  She agreed  that  public  safety                                                                    
should  be a  priority  but emphasized  that resources  were                                                                    
needed  (such as  substance abuse  treatment)  to break  the                                                                    
cycle of recidivism. She thought  SB 91 should have a chance                                                                    
to  be fully  implemented.  She  supported the  prescription                                                                    
drug database. She had empathy  for people that were victims                                                                    
of crimes  but did  not want to  roll back  criminal justice                                                                    
reform.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:42:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NIKKI ROSE, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), testified                                                                    
in support of  the bill. She was part of  a community patrol                                                                    
in the Sand Lake area. She  considered that passage of SB 91                                                                    
had provided  an incentive for criminals.  She was concerned                                                                    
with  escalating crime.  She  thought  the Anchorage  Police                                                                    
Department  (APD) was  overwhelmed. She  mentioned homicides                                                                    
in the Anchorage  area, as well as  drug-related crimes. She                                                                    
appreciated  that  her  representative  was  active  in  the                                                                    
process. She stated there was  increased drug trafficking in                                                                    
her area.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:45:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREGORY RAZO,  ALASKA FEDERATION OF NATIVES,  ANCHORAGE (via                                                                    
teleconference), spoke  in opposition to the  bill. He lived                                                                    
in College Village, and had lived  in Peters Creek. He was a                                                                    
victim  of crime.  He  had personal  items  stolen from  his                                                                    
front  yard.  He  had met  with  the  state's  congressional                                                                    
delegation  and   discussed  the  pervasive   public  safety                                                                    
problem in Alaska.  He asserted that there  was an unchecked                                                                    
public safety  and drug  problem in  the state,  and thought                                                                    
they  were primarily  the responsibility  of  the state.  He                                                                    
discussed   lack    of   law   enforcement    presence   and                                                                    
responsiveness  in  villages.  He believed  cuts  to  public                                                                    
safety and municipalities and neglect  of the opioid problem                                                                    
(lack  of treatment,  education and  prevention) had  led to                                                                    
the rise  in addiction  and crime.  He was  a member  of the                                                                    
Alaska Criminal  Justice Commission. He emphasized  that the                                                                    
commission's  recommendations  were  not the  cause  of  the                                                                    
increase in  crime and had  been based on sound  science and                                                                    
public policy.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:48:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TALIA EAMES, TLINGIT AND HAIDA,  JUNEAU, spoke in opposition                                                                    
to the bill. The tribe  did not support the legislation. She                                                                    
noted   that   Alaska    Natives   were   disproportionately                                                                    
represented in  the criminal  justice system.  She discussed                                                                    
the high  recidivism rate  in the  state. She  mentioned the                                                                    
concept of  compassionate accountability. She  asserted that                                                                    
a full repeal  of SB 91 would eliminate  programs that would                                                                    
improve public safety.  She felt that SB 91  was designed to                                                                    
invest in programs  that addressed the root  causes of crime                                                                    
and  incarceration. She  did not  think it  was possible  to                                                                    
incarcerate  away disabilities.  She thought  that new  laws                                                                    
needed a chance to work. She  thought a full repeal of SB 91                                                                    
would have unintended consequences.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:51:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KARA   NELSON,  HAVEN   HOUSE  JUNEAU,   JUNEAU,  spoke   in                                                                    
opposition to  the bill.  She relayed  that she  worked with                                                                    
incarcerated   and   post-incarceration   individuals.   She                                                                    
thought  that  the  fears  of  victims  of  crime  had  been                                                                    
exploited. She was  the victim of crime as well  as a person                                                                    
that had  committed crimes in  the state. She  asserted that                                                                    
felons  and   other  Alaskans  that  had   committed  crimes                                                                    
deserved  the   same  chances   as  others.   She  mentioned                                                                    
incarceration  in  correlation   with  substance  abuse  and                                                                    
mental  health   disorders.  She  asked  the   committee  to                                                                    
consider all Alaskans.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHNNY   MURDOCK,   SELF,  WASILLA   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified  in  opposition  to  the  bill.  He  had  been  in                                                                    
opposition  to  SB 91,  which  he  considered to  be  poorly                                                                    
conceived. He did  not think that there  had been sufficient                                                                    
input  from  stakeholders.  He   thought  SB  127  had  good                                                                    
provisions but thought  it was not developed  by groups that                                                                    
were representative of  people in Alaska.   He thought there                                                                    
had been  good parts to  SB 91 and  SB 127 but  thought both                                                                    
bills did not systematically  address the needs of Alaskans.                                                                    
He had  two home  security systems. He  urged the  Senate to                                                                    
consider a  diverse group  to represent  multiple viewpoints                                                                    
on the issue. He did not think the bill was balanced.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:57:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LISA AMEEN, SELF, MATSU  LIO (via teleconference), testified                                                                    
in  support of  the bill.  She referred  to an  explosion of                                                                    
property  crime  in  her   area.  She  referenced  increased                                                                    
property  crime,  and  illegal  camping  on  her  land.  She                                                                    
thought that the  passage of SB 91 had created  a grey area.                                                                    
She  believed that  much of  the state's  crime problem  was                                                                    
drug-related.  She  used the  term  "catch  and release"  to                                                                    
describe a practice with repeat offenders.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:00:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  asked Ms. Ameen  if she was in  support of                                                                    
SB 127.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Ameen  acknowledged that she  was not  entirely familiar                                                                    
with SB  127 and was  unsure if  it constituted more  than a                                                                    
repeal of SB 91. She knew  many people that had been victims                                                                    
of property crimes.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:02:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG   WUITSCHICK,  ALASKA   TIRE   WORLD,  ANCHORAGE   (via                                                                    
teleconference), testified  about the  crime problem  in his                                                                    
area.  He  referenced the  "catch  and  release" premise  of                                                                    
recidivism.  He  discussed   the  designation  of  sanctuary                                                                    
cities. He discussed  vehicle theft. He did not  think SB 91                                                                    
was  working.  He  was  the  victim  of  repeat  thefts.  He                                                                    
discussed  the cycle  of arrest  and recidivism.  He thought                                                                    
criminals  were   coming  to  Alaska,  stealing,   and  then                                                                    
returning home. He wanted to  know how the problem was going                                                                    
to be solved.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  stated  that the  committee  heard  Mr.                                                                    
Wruitschick's  concerns and  would be  taking action  on the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Wuitschick wondered  what  would be  done  to save  the                                                                    
state  from the  horrible crime  increase. He  was concerned                                                                    
that the police would not protect his property.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked Mr.  Wuitschick to  direct further                                                                    
comments to her office via email.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHAWN WILLIAMS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in  support of  the  bill. He  stated  he represented  about                                                                    
4,100 signers  of a  petition to repeal  SB 91  organized by                                                                    
Change.org  [a  petition   website  operated  by  for-profit                                                                    
Change.org, Inc.]. He  relayed that he was  a small business                                                                    
owner  and had  lived in  Alaska  for 38  years. He  thanked                                                                    
Senator Costello  for sponsoring the bill.  He thought there                                                                    
was an important question of  time and money. He stated that                                                                    
he and  his friends  spent a lot  of money  protecting their                                                                    
personal property.  He thought  opioid addiction and  a poor                                                                    
economy in  the state were  responsible for the  increase in                                                                    
crime. He thought  SB 91 had created an  incentive for crime                                                                    
by removing punishment. He thought  SB 91 should be repealed                                                                    
and a new bill should  be drafted to include modest criminal                                                                    
justice   reform.  He   expressed  opposition   to  previous                                                                    
testifiers. He  relayed a story  about theft.  He emphasized                                                                    
that  there   was  lawlessness  in  his   city.  He  thought                                                                    
Washington D.C. was safer than Anchorage.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:10:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE WILLIAMS,  ALASKA MENTAL HEALTH TRUST,  ANCHORAGE (via                                                                    
teleconference),  spoke  in  opposition   to  the  bill.  He                                                                    
reminded that  Alaska Mental Health Trust  Authority (AMHTA)                                                                    
beneficiaries  were at  an increased  risk for  contact with                                                                    
the  criminal  justice  system and  for  longer  periods  of                                                                    
incarceration.  The  trust  had   partnered  with  many  key                                                                    
stakeholders since  2005 to identify  changes in  policy and                                                                    
programs to  mitigate the  issue. He  acknowledged increased                                                                    
criminal activities but did not  correlate the increase with                                                                    
the passage  of SB 91. He  suggested that factors such  as a                                                                    
declining  economy,  unemployment,  and  reductions  in  law                                                                    
enforcement  and  community-based   treatment  services.  He                                                                    
thought the  Alaska Criminal  Justice Commission  (ACJC) and                                                                    
the Alaska  Justice Information Center  could be  helpful in                                                                    
understanding how  the factors  impacted policy.  He thought                                                                    
more time was needed to  see the effects of various criminal                                                                    
justice  reform   efforts.  He  noted  that   a  data-driven                                                                    
approach was used  to craft reform legislation  and had been                                                                    
prudent in making adjustments to  reform efforts. He thought                                                                    
that Alaska's  laws before 2016 had  not produced acceptable                                                                    
public safety  results, and noted that  recidivism rates had                                                                    
been  approximately   66  percent  for  several   years.  He                                                                    
referenced  associated collateral  negative consequences  to                                                                    
Alaskan children, families, and  communities. He thought the                                                                    
prudent  approach was  to stay  the course  and continue  to                                                                    
evaluate and adjust policies based on data.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:14:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRENDA STANFILL, INTERIOR OF  ALASKA FOR NON-VIOLENT LIVING,                                                                    
FAIRBANKS (via  teleconference), testified in  opposition to                                                                    
the bill.  She relayed that  she had served  as commissioner                                                                    
on the ACJC. She did not  speak on behalf of the commission.                                                                    
She discussed the inefficacy  of incarceration's in bringing                                                                    
down  rates  of  violent   crime  or  addressing  underlying                                                                    
behavioral health issues.  She thought the jail  was used to                                                                    
warehouse individuals that communities  did not want to deal                                                                    
with.  She   discussed  instances   in  which   justice  was                                                                    
convoluted due to  extenuating circumstances. She referenced                                                                    
a  national  group  that  had  assisted  the  commission  in                                                                    
identifying that the largest growing  population was that of                                                                    
the pre-trial  individuals that could not  produce bail. She                                                                    
addressed   the   issue   of  discrimination   against   the                                                                    
economically   challenged,   which   represented   a   large                                                                    
population of  Alaska Native individuals. She  discussed the                                                                    
work of the  commission, which resulted in a  report to give                                                                    
to the  legislature. She emphasized  the need  for on-demand                                                                    
substance  abuse treatment.  She  thought drug  abuse was  a                                                                    
huge motivator for property crimes.  She emphasized the need                                                                    
for  reinvestment in  alternate systems  that could  lead to                                                                    
positive  long-term   outcomes.  She   mentioned  recidivism                                                                    
rates. She considered that passage  of the bill would remove                                                                    
reinvestment  dollars  that  were  targeted  for  treatment,                                                                    
prevention efforts, and re-entry programs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  reminded that  testimony was  limited to                                                                    
two minutes.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:18:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BONNIE  LILLY, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in support of  SB 127. She did not think  SB 91 had achieved                                                                    
its  goals.  She had  worked  in  a treatment  facility  for                                                                    
adolescents. She thought  required substance abuse treatment                                                                    
was  the  only  answer.  She thought  criminals  from  other                                                                    
states would  come to Alaska  unless the laws  were changed.                                                                    
She listed  crimes committed in  her area. She  had attended                                                                    
community meetings on  the topic of crime.  She thought that                                                                    
passage  of SB  91 had  increased crime.  She discussed  the                                                                    
danger to police officers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:22:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   JEFFERY,   SELF,  CANADA   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified  in  opposition to  the  bill.  He was  a  retired                                                                    
Superior Court Judge,  and a 40-year resident  of Barrow. He                                                                    
thought the reforms  in SB 91 should be given  time to work.                                                                    
He had  recently attended a  conference in Anchorage  on the                                                                    
topic of reducing  recidivism and had heard  how states such                                                                    
as   Texas  (which   had   adopted  similar   evidence-based                                                                    
approaches to criminal justice) had  not had a rise in crime                                                                    
and had saved  a great deal of money. Savings  had been used                                                                    
to  provide more  law enforcement  and to  provide effective                                                                    
programs   and  treatment.   He  agreed   with  a   previous                                                                    
testifier.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon thanked Mr. Jeffery  for his service as a                                                                    
judge in Barrow.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:24:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KRISTIN BUSH, SELF, EAGLE  RIVER (via teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in  support  of SB  127.  Members  of  her family  had  been                                                                    
victims of  crime. She thought  the crimes were a  result of                                                                    
the passage of SB 91.  She discussed increases in many types                                                                    
of crime.  She did not  care about reducing  recidivism, but                                                                    
rather about  public safety. She discussed  a property crime                                                                    
in which the perpetrator was  not charged. She was concerned                                                                    
the state would have a future of criminal anarchy.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:26:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARSHA OSS,  FAIRBANKS REENTRY CASE MANAGER,  FAIRBANKS (via                                                                    
teleconference), testified  in opposition  to the  bill. She                                                                    
thought  it  was  too  early   to  determine  the  cause  of                                                                    
increased crime. She had worked  in the reentry field for 30                                                                    
years, including in  other states. She thought  the bill was                                                                    
a knee-jerk reaction  to a perceived increase  in crime. She                                                                    
thought the  programs from  SB 91 needed  time to  work. She                                                                    
discussed  anecdotal information  about programs  not having                                                                    
the opportunity to work.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:29:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRADLEY  MILLER,  SELF,  EAGLE RIVER  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke  in support  of SB  127. He  thought SB  91 should  be                                                                    
repealed.  He informed  that his  daughter  was murdered  in                                                                    
Eagle  River  in 2014.  He  discussed  parole and  probation                                                                    
changes because  of SB  91. He thought  the changes  made it                                                                    
easier for criminals  to be released back on  the street. He                                                                    
acknowledged   that  SB   91  saved   the  state   money  on                                                                    
incarceration.  He  thought the  rise  in  crime was  making                                                                    
access  to drugs  easier.  He  thought that  SB  91 made  it                                                                    
easier  to  obtain  drugs.  He   did  not  think  there  was                                                                    
appropriate rehabilitation services available.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:32:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NATASHA  SINGH,  TANANA  CHIEFS CONFERENCE,  FAIRBANKS  (via                                                                    
teleconference), testified  in opposition  to the  bill. She                                                                    
informed  that  Tanana   Chiefs  Conference  represented  37                                                                    
federally recognized  tribes in Interior  Alaska. Addressing                                                                    
public safety  was an important priority  to the conference.                                                                    
She reminded  that Alaska Native  communities had  faced the                                                                    
highest  rates of  crime  (including  domestic violence  and                                                                    
sexual  assault)  in  the  nation.  She  noted  that  Alaska                                                                    
Natives  were disproportionately  represented as  victims of                                                                    
crime.  The  conference had  supported  SB  91. She  thought                                                                    
there was misinformation about  criminal justice reform. She                                                                    
asserted  that  it  was  false that  reform  allowed  for  a                                                                    
murderer to have easier parole  or probation. She referenced                                                                    
public  testimony  that  alleged  the police  had  told  the                                                                    
public  it  could not  arrest  or  prosecute offenders,  and                                                                    
thought such  anecdotal stories were  not accurate.  She had                                                                    
observed  law enforcement  officers misquoting  the law  and                                                                    
erroneously attributing situations to  SB 91. She thought it                                                                    
was  unfortunate  that  criminal  justice  reform  had  been                                                                    
proposed  at a  time  when there  was such  a  high rate  of                                                                    
egregious  crimes.  She  pointed  out that  crimes  such  as                                                                    
murder  and  armed robbery  had  not  been included  in  the                                                                    
criminal justice reform.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:35:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHENAH  RAY,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference),  spoke                                                                    
about the high rate of crime  in her area. She had been born                                                                    
and raised  in Alaska. She was  a victim of car  theft twice                                                                    
in  one  week.  Her  apartment building  had  experienced  a                                                                    
shooting.  She questioned  the effectiveness  of SB  91. She                                                                    
supported the repeal of SB 91.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:36:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HUNTER  MATTHEWS,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
discussed the high rate of crime  in his area. He shared his                                                                    
concern for his family. He  thought criminals were not being                                                                    
held accountable.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:38:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE VOLZ,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), testified                                                                    
in  support of  the  bill. He  discussed accountability.  He                                                                    
understood the  need for treatment. He  supported the repeal                                                                    
of  SB 91.  He asserted  that  the public  would respond  to                                                                    
crime if there was  not sufficient law enforcement response.                                                                    
He wanted  more accountability for criminals.  He encouraged                                                                    
citizens to speak  up. He asked the committee  to focus less                                                                    
on money  and more on  people. He commented that  the people                                                                    
of the state deserved better.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:42:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CASEY DENADEL,  RECOVERY COACH, JUNEAU, spoke  in opposition                                                                    
to the bill.  She stated that she was a  property owner. She                                                                    
was a person in long-term  recovery. She was an advocate for                                                                    
others  and was  a  recovery coach  that helped  individuals                                                                    
find  jobs, housing,  treatment,  and  other resources.  She                                                                    
thought  the increase  in crime  was a  public health  issue                                                                    
that could not be solved by arrests.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:44:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL VANLINDEN, SELF, JUNEAU,  testified in opposition to                                                                    
the bill.  He was a re-entry  case manager. He was  in long-                                                                    
term recovery  from substance use  disorder. He was  able to                                                                    
obtain  his driver's  license  after completing  therapeutic                                                                    
court and because  of provisions of SB 91.  He discussed the                                                                    
cycle of  addiction and recovery.  He thought the  answer to                                                                    
the  state's   crime  problem  was  treatment   rather  than                                                                    
incarceration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:46:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDA WATTS,  SELF, JUNEAU, testified  in opposition  to the                                                                    
bill. She discussed her personal  history of trauma and lack                                                                    
of  support resources.  She suffered  from disabilities  and                                                                    
trauma.  She  had  been incarcerated.  She  had  experienced                                                                    
homelessness. She had received  services and assistance from                                                                    
the  Juneau  Re-entry  Coalition. She  listed  services  she                                                                    
received. She was  concerned that passage of  the bill would                                                                    
limit importance  services. She  discussed the  small number                                                                    
of case managers in the re-entry program.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:49:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNETTE  CLARK, CHAIRMAN,  ALASKAN  INDEPENDENCE PARTY,  FOX                                                                    
(via  teleconference), spoke  in  support of  the bill.  She                                                                    
discussed  the  high  rate  of crime  in  the  country.  She                                                                    
thanked Co-Chair  MacKinnon for her comment  about committee                                                                    
work.  She  discussed  opposition  to  SB  91  when  it  was                                                                    
originally proposed.  She thought substance  abuse treatment                                                                    
was an  important component of the  solution. She referenced                                                                    
Senator  Micciche's comments  regarding portions  of SB  91.                                                                    
She  thought the  bill could  be fine-tuned  to include  the                                                                    
positive  provisions of  SB 91.  She referenced  SJR 1.  She                                                                    
thought that SB  127 had a better structure than  SB 91. She                                                                    
supported  a  complete repeal  of  SB  91.  She lived  in  a                                                                    
village of 200, North of  Fairbanks. She had seen changes in                                                                    
her community  involving theft. She was  a fourth generation                                                                    
Alaskan and had family in  Anchorage. She discussed the high                                                                    
rate of crime  in Anchorage. She expressed  concerns for her                                                                    
safety. She thought the bill had  a lot of good content. She                                                                    
wanted the  committee to understand that  Alaskans wanted to                                                                    
feel safe  and continue  to exercise  constitutional rights.                                                                    
She encouraged the legislature to adjourn by May 9, 2018.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STACY JOHNSON,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in support  of SB 127.  She supported  the repeal of  SB 91.                                                                    
She discussed fears  for her safety due  to increased crime.                                                                    
She  considered that  there was  lawlessness because  of the                                                                    
passage   of  SB   91.  She   lived   in  the   Mountainview                                                                    
neighborhood in  Anchorage and had seen  increased crime and                                                                    
suspicious   activity.  She   asserted  that   the  criminal                                                                    
offenders in her neighborhood had  been released from prison                                                                    
due to SB 91. She supported passage of the bill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:59:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  LANDFIELD,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in opposition to the bill.  He did not think SB 91                                                                    
was  responsible for  the rise  in  crime in  the state.  He                                                                    
thought  the increase  in  crime was  due  to addiction.  He                                                                    
lamented  budget cuts  to the  Department of  Public Safety,                                                                    
the  Division of  Behavioral Health,  and the  Department of                                                                    
Law. He  thought drug  companies were  partially responsible                                                                    
for  the high  rates of  addiction. He  thought the  state's                                                                    
crime  problem  was  largely  the  fault  of  lawmakers.  He                                                                    
discussed the state's fiscal crisis.  He discussed a lack of                                                                    
facilities for substance abuse treatment.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  if Mr.  Landfield  supported  or                                                                    
opposed the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Landfield stated that he thought SB 127 was a farce.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:02:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHERRY  MILLER,  SELF,  EAGLE  RIVER  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke in  support of the  bill. She supported a  full repeal                                                                    
of SB  91. She discussed her  personal story as a  victim of                                                                    
crime that  resulted in the  death of her daughter.  She was                                                                    
concerned  that her  voice  had not  been  heard. She  cited                                                                    
discretionary  parole as  the reason  her daughter's  killer                                                                    
could potentially walk free. She mentioned victim's rights.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:05:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ZACH  PEARSON, PCHS,  KENAI (via  teleconference), spoke  in                                                                    
opposition  to  the  bill.  He  had  been  incarcerated  for                                                                    
violent crimes  related to drug  use and alcoholism.  He had                                                                    
used the services  of a treatment center, and  now worked at                                                                    
a   public  health   center.  He   discussed  his   personal                                                                    
experience working  with formerly  incarcerated individuals.                                                                    
He  thought  incarceration  did not  solve  the  problem  of                                                                    
crime. He had  not benefitted from the passage of  SB 91. He                                                                    
discussed  the needs  of  incarcerated  individuals. He  had                                                                    
participated in a recidivism reduction conference.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:07:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHLOE ABBOTT,  SELF, JUNEAU, testified in  opposition to the                                                                    
bill.  She  shared  her story  of  incarceration,  substance                                                                    
abuse, trauma, and lack of  services. She had struggled with                                                                    
the disease of alcoholism for 30  years. She felt that SB 91                                                                    
had  made  a positive  impact  in  her  life. She  had  been                                                                    
sentenced  for driving  under the  influence of  alcohol the                                                                    
same day that criminal justice  reform went into effect. She                                                                    
had been  able to retain  employment and make  positive life                                                                    
changes.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DON   HABEGAR,   COMMUNITY   COORDINATOR,   JUNEAU   REENTRY                                                                    
COALITION, JUNEAU,  testified in opposition to  the bill. He                                                                    
emphasized that  public safety  was part  of the  mission of                                                                    
the Juneau  Reentry Coalition. He  supported fixes to  SB 91                                                                    
when  problems  became  apparent.  The  coalition  had  been                                                                    
invited  to   be  part of  a public  safety  task force  and                                                                    
believed there was a deficit in funding for prosecutors.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:12:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM  MUSSER, SELF,  JUNEAU,  spoke in  opposition to  SB                                                                    
127.  He was  in long-term  recovery from  an addiction.  He                                                                    
received treatment  services from out-of-state. He  had seen                                                                    
benefit  from SB  91  on a  personal level  as  well as  for                                                                    
others. He was a convicted  felon who had been incarcerated.                                                                    
He  discussed his  experience  with  incarceration and  drug                                                                    
abuse.  He thought  there should  be  more criminal  justice                                                                    
reform   in  a   positive  way   while  including   multiple                                                                    
stakeholders.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:15:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILLY   CHARLES,   SELF,   EMMONAK   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified in opposition  to SB 127. He was on  the board for                                                                    
the  Alaska  Federation  of   Natives  representing  the  56                                                                    
villages on the  Yukon Delta. He thought time  was needed to                                                                    
observe  the  long-term  outcomes   of  SB  91  reforms.  He                                                                    
discussed  research and  suicide  prevention.  He had  found                                                                    
that  42 percent  of incarcerated  individuals that  were in                                                                    
prison  due  to probation  or  parole  violations, which  he                                                                    
thought demonstrated a lack of community support.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:17:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATE  HALFORD, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in support of  SB 127. She supported a repeal  of SB 91. She                                                                    
had  lived in  many unsavory  areas of  Anchorage, including                                                                    
Mountainview and  Fairview, and  owned property  in Spenard.                                                                    
She acknowledged that SB 91 was  not entirely to blame for a                                                                    
rise in  crime and thought  the rise in opioid  addiction in                                                                    
the state  was a factor.  She thought SB 91,  in combination                                                                    
with  the opioid  epidemic, was  problematic. She  described                                                                    
her  experiences as  a victim  of property  theft and  other                                                                    
crimes.  She carried  a firearm  and  other deterrents.  She                                                                    
thought police had done a great  job but had power taken via                                                                    
the passage  of SB  91. She agreed  that people  needed help                                                                    
but also thought  people needed to be  held accountable. She                                                                    
asserted that SB  91 put sex offenders and  petty thieves in                                                                    
the  same  category.  She   was  concerned  about  vigilante                                                                    
behavior.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:22:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  clarified that the vehicle  theft C-felony                                                                    
issue  had  been   improved  with  the  passage   of  SB  54                                                                    
[legislation  passed in  2017 to  address issues  with prior                                                                    
criminal reform legislation].                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Halford specified that most  of the crimes she described                                                                    
happened in the Bootlegger's Cove area of Anchorage.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:23:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHLEEN  MCLAUGHLIN,  PARTNERS  REENTRY  CENTER,  ANCHORAGE                                                                    
(via  teleconference), spoke  in opposition  to SB  127. She                                                                    
pointed  out that  95  percent  of incarcerated  individuals                                                                    
would be released at some  point. She asserted that previous                                                                    
criminal  justice reform  (SB 91)  had  given an  additional                                                                    
layer  of accountability  for people  that were  re-entering                                                                    
into   communities  by   funding  community-based   re-entry                                                                    
services.  She  stated that  her  re-entry  center had  done                                                                    
research  to determine  if the  services made  a difference,                                                                    
and  she had  concluded  the affirmative.  She referenced  a                                                                    
study of 300  individuals that accessed services  and had an                                                                    
18 percent  rate of recidivism while  actively participating                                                                    
in the  program while receiving housing.  She requested that                                                                    
the committee consider not passing SB 127.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:26:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
AUDREY   CUCULLU,  REENTRY   COORDINATOR,  KENAI   PENINSULA                                                                    
REENTRY  COALITION,  KENAI  (via teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                    
opposition  to the  bill. She  stated  she was  a person  in                                                                    
long-term recovery,  as well as  a victim of  violent crime.                                                                    
She   had  worked   with  Crime   Stoppers,  local   police,                                                                    
Department of  Corrections, and other entities  on the topic                                                                    
of  criminal justice.  She  supported  treatment options  in                                                                    
lieu of  incarceration. She worked with  50 individuals that                                                                    
were endeavoring to become  contributing members of society.                                                                    
She thought it was premature to  say that SB 91 was to blame                                                                    
for  the rise  in crime  in the  state. She  considered that                                                                    
crime  had  been  rising  in Alaska  since  the  1980s.  She                                                                    
commended the  restorative justice initiative in  the Spring                                                                    
Creek Correctional Facility.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:28:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TAMMY   WELLS,   SELF,   ANCHORAGE   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified  in  support of  SB  127.  She worked  within  the                                                                    
criminal  justice  system  and  had served  as  a  community                                                                    
resource   officer   trying   to  reduce   recidivism.   She                                                                    
referenced previous testimony. She  thought there was a lack                                                                    
of  leadership  and   personal  responsibility  and  thought                                                                    
criminal  justice reform  was  the reason  for  the rise  in                                                                    
crime. She thought people were  leaving the state due to the                                                                    
rise in crime.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:32:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHLEEN SHOOP, SELF, PALMER  (via teleconference), spoke in                                                                    
support of  SB 127. She  felt that  SB 91 was  "too criminal                                                                    
friendly." She  felt that public  safety must  be addressed,                                                                    
but she sympathized with the testifiers.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:32:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CYNTHIA  STROUT,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in  opposition to  the bill. She  felt that  SB 91                                                                    
must be  given time  to work.  She was  an attorney  and had                                                                    
practiced  law in  Alaska for  35 years.  She discussed  the                                                                    
efficacy  of  previous  criminal justice  philosophies.  She                                                                    
echoed the previous comments by Ms. McLaughlin.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:34:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT  GAWRYS,  SELF,  EAGLE  RIVER  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke  in support  of  the bill.  He thought  SB  91 was  an                                                                    
abomination. He  was a lifelong  Alaskan and had  observed a                                                                    
significant  rise  in  crime. He  discussed  the  option  of                                                                    
concealed carry  of a  firearm. He  thought there  should be                                                                    
strong penalties  to deter crime.  He discussed  the effects                                                                    
of  property  crime. He  thought  criminals  deserved to  be                                                                    
treated  fairly  but  not  at  the  expense  of  law-abiding                                                                    
citizens.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:37:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon informed  that the  Conference Committee                                                                    
on SB 285 and SB 286  that was scheduled for 3:30 p.m. would                                                                    
be  relocated in  order to  continue  public testimony.  The                                                                    
Conference Committee  would meet in  the Beltz room  at 4:00                                                                    
p.m.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop agreed to chair  the meeting for remaining                                                                    
public testimony.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  recognized  members that  were  in  the                                                                    
gallery.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon  asked   all  Legislative   Information                                                                    
Offices  to cease  taking names  for  public testimony.  She                                                                    
directed  anyone  that still  wished  to  testify to  submit                                                                    
written testimony via email.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:40:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA CAMOS, SELF,  WASILLA (via teleconference), testified                                                                    
in support  of the bill.  She had  been a resident  for more                                                                    
than 20  years. She discussed  increased crime in  her area.                                                                    
She  had  sat on  a  victim's  advisory committee  with  the                                                                    
Department of  Corrections in the  1990s. She  discussed the                                                                    
effects of  budget cuts. She  was supportive  of habituation                                                                    
and  rehabilitation. She  asked the  committee to  carefully                                                                    
examine how  to help underserved populations.  She discussed                                                                    
emergency services response time.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:44:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN FEDERICO,  SELF, WASILLA (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
support  of  the bill.  He  stated  that  he listened  to  a                                                                    
previous  committee   hearing  and  thought   that  personal                                                                    
property crimes  had been  minimized. He  mentioned previous                                                                    
testimony  referencing   vehicle  theft.  He   thought  bail                                                                    
guidelines should  be left up  to judges. He  referenced the                                                                    
Class  C  felony  category. He  knew  two  pre-trial  parole                                                                    
officers that  were being paid  at a high rate.  He asserted                                                                    
that  there needed  to  be oversight.  He  had gleaned  that                                                                    
local  police would  not pursue  stolen property  other than                                                                    
vehicles.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAMITA  DUPLANTIS,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified in  support of the  bill. She stated that  she was                                                                    
born and raised in New  Orleans, Louisiana. She lamented the                                                                    
increase in crime in the state.  She believed that SB 91 was                                                                    
to blame for  increased crime and supported  its repeal. She                                                                    
thought that Anchorage was seeing  most of the effects of SB                                                                    
91. She shared concerns about theft and home invasion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:50:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARS  GLEITSMANN,  SELF,   ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke in  support of the  bill. He supported full  repeal of                                                                    
SB 91. He  urged the committee to consider  the testimony of                                                                    
private  citizens versus  that of  special interest  groups.                                                                    
He discussed previous testimony.  He expressed concern about                                                                    
retaliation against  those that testified against  SB 91. He                                                                    
feared for the safety of  his family. He thought many crimes                                                                    
went unreported  due to fear  of rising insurance  rates. He                                                                    
was the owner and operator  of a retail business. He thought                                                                    
many  people had  lost jobs  and  been forced  to leave  the                                                                    
state. He  thought there  was a  steady influx  of criminals                                                                    
from  the Lower  48.  He expressed  concern  about drugs  in                                                                    
prisons. He emphasized the importance of victim's rights.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon handed the gavel to Vice-Chair Bishop.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HERMAN MORGAN,  SELF, ANIAK (via  teleconference), testified                                                                    
in  support  of  the  bill. He  discussed  homelessness.  He                                                                    
discussed the  importance of public testimony.  He supported                                                                    
a repeal of SB 91.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:59:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEORGIA   KUSTURA,  SELF,   CHUGIAK  (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified  in  support  of  the   bill.  She  supported  the                                                                    
comments of  previous testifiers.  She thought SB  127 would                                                                    
help mitigate  some of  the problems created  by SB  91. She                                                                    
thought  there needed  to  be a  deterrent  for crimes.  She                                                                    
thought  the government  could not  provide substance  abuse                                                                    
treatment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:01:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MELISSA  SAUNDERS,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke about her  struggles as a victim of crime  and loss of                                                                    
her possessions.  She was a lifelong  Alaskan. She discussed                                                                    
the story of a convicted  felon and thief. She was concerned                                                                    
for her personal safety.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:05:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LORA REINBOLD  testified in  support of  the                                                                    
bill. She  stated that  the ideas behind  SB 91  were failed                                                                    
ideas from  the 1960s and  1970s. She discussed  the history                                                                    
of criminal justice reform efforts.  She recounted that when                                                                    
Alaska used  the "tough  on crime" model,  it had  enjoyed a                                                                    
decrease in crime.  She thought crime had  been redefined in                                                                    
SB 91.  She discussed  pre-trial backlogs, bail  changes and                                                                    
associated  legislation. She  thought  SB 91  had created  a                                                                    
faulty  pre-trial risk  assessment tool  that did  not allow                                                                    
judges  to  look  at crime  in  outside  jurisdictions.  She                                                                    
discussed parole and probation  changes. She stated that FBI                                                                    
statistics reported  Alaska as  the most dangerous  state in                                                                    
the  nation. She  thought the  government was  losing public                                                                    
trust.  She discussed  increased crime  and drug  abuse. She                                                                    
referenced a bank  robbery in Russian Jack.  She thought the                                                                    
laws were  soft on drugs. She  appreciated testimony related                                                                    
to  reform.  She thought  SB  127  was  a vehicle  that  the                                                                    
legislature  could use.  She thought  the bill  needed work.                                                                    
She identified that there were  at least 12 provisions of SB                                                                    
91 she wanted to keep.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:09:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAURA  WAGNER, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in  support   SB  127.  She   thought  there  had   been  an                                                                    
astronomical increase in crime.  She thought there needed to                                                                    
be accountability  for non-violent  offenders. She  had been                                                                    
held at  gunpoint and robbed twice  in the past year  at her                                                                    
place of employment. She supported  repeal of SB 91. She had                                                                    
quit her job.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  asked  Ms.   Wagner  if  she  wanted  the                                                                    
committee to keep the provisions  of SB 91 that were tougher                                                                    
on crime.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Wagner answered in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  was willing to  make changes to SB  91. He                                                                    
thought there  were provisions of  SB 91 that were  tough on                                                                    
crime.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:12:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DARREN  ASPLEND,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified  in  support  of  the  bill.  He  was  a  lifelong                                                                    
Alaskan. He  spoke to the  increased crime in  Anchorage. He                                                                    
reported  hearing  gunfire  frequently.  He  referenced  the                                                                    
comments of  Senator Micciche. He  stated that APD  had done                                                                    
an amazing job. He  expressed concerns about the environment                                                                    
in the Mat-Su Valley. He  had experienced property theft. He                                                                    
understood the need for reform  but remained concerned about                                                                    
the  rest of  the  population. He  expressed concerns  about                                                                    
declining tourism due to increased crime rates.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop handed the gavel to Co-Chair MacKinnon.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:16:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  MARTENS, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in support  of the bill.  He discussed  a burglary at  a gun                                                                    
store  in   Anchorage,  in   which  two   individuals  stole                                                                    
approximately 40 weapons. He blamed  the theft on passage of                                                                    
SB  91. He  relayed the  story of  his cousin  who had  been                                                                    
killed during a robbery. He supported  a repeal of SB 91. He                                                                    
acknowledged that rehabilitation was  required but felt that                                                                    
it could not be forced upon people.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:18:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
EDITH   GRUNWALD,   SELF,   PALMER   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
supported SB  127. She  advocated for  increased sentencing.                                                                    
She spoke  in support  of the death  penalty. She  asked the                                                                    
committee  to differentiate  between  public testimony  from                                                                    
private citizens versus special  interest groups. She shared                                                                    
that her  son had been  murdered. She wanted judges  to have                                                                    
more discretion.  She wanted the  bail schedule  restored to                                                                    
be based  on the  severity of the  crime. She  wanted felony                                                                    
crime levels  returned. She thought criminals  came from out                                                                    
of   state  because   of  SB   91.  She   supported  reform,                                                                    
rehabilitation, and  re-entry programs. She  emphasized that                                                                    
punishment for crime must come before rehabilitation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:23:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   ROSE,   SELF,  ANCHORAGE   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified in support  of the bill. He stated that  he was an                                                                    
attorney. He echoed the comments  of previous testifiers. He                                                                    
thought  the  key  to rehabilitation  was  that  individuals                                                                    
needed  to  make  the choice  themselves.  He  thought  most                                                                    
people  in the  criminal  justice system  did  not have  the                                                                    
desire to  change themselves. He  thought SB 91  had assumed                                                                    
that  every  person  could   be  rehabilitated.  He  thought                                                                    
criminal  justice reform  had weakened  judges, prosecutors,                                                                    
and penalties.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:26:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NIMI  TOLVA,  SELF,  HOMER (via  teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                    
support of the bill.   She thought there had been unintended                                                                    
consequences  of   SB  91.  She   thought  there   had  been                                                                    
compelling  testimony  on  both  sides  of  the  issue.  She                                                                    
thought criminals  were bolder. She supported  the repeal of                                                                    
SB 91.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:28:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICKI WALLNER, SELF,  PALMER (via teleconference), testified                                                                    
in support  of the bill.  She had  been sober for  28 years.                                                                    
She discussed  the impacts of  crime in her family.  She was                                                                    
not opposed to treatment  for addiction. She emphasized that                                                                    
it was  the government's  responsibility to keep  the public                                                                    
safe.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:31:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  NELSON,  SELF, JUNEAU,  spoke  in  opposition to  the                                                                    
bill. He was  the father of a  formerly incarcerated person.                                                                    
He had  volunteered inside the  prison system.  He supported                                                                    
SB 91 and had seen the  results of treatment provided by the                                                                    
bill, whereas  there had  been none  before. He  agreed that                                                                    
parts of SB 91 needed to be adjusted.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:34:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIA COSTELLO,  SPONSOR, thanked the committee                                                                    
for  hearing the  bill. She  had written  down the  names of                                                                    
every  testifier, along  with their  stories. She  wanted to                                                                    
convey that the legislature  was working to make communities                                                                    
safe and did not think the public was aware of the fact.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon thanked the  committee for hearing public                                                                    
testimony. She  appreciated the  perspectives that  had been                                                                    
shared by  testifiers. The committee  had also  recorded the                                                                    
names of  testifiers. There  had been  56 testifiers  on the                                                                    
bill. She set aside the bill.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bishop stated  that  there had  been 186  emails                                                                    
pertaining to the bill.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  reiterated that  those who did  not have                                                                    
the  opportunity to  offer  public  testimony could  provide                                                                    
written testimony to the committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  thanked  the   sponsor.  He  thanked  the                                                                    
testifiers for  their respectful demeanor. He  thought crime                                                                    
rates were  high but  pointed out that  rates had  also been                                                                    
higher at  other times  for certain  crimes. He  thought the                                                                    
effects  of opioids  were at  a new  high. He  thought there                                                                    
were  good  provisions  in  SB 91  but  thought  there  were                                                                    
criminal justice reform  issues to evaluate and  work on. He                                                                    
appreciated individuals  that waited in line  to testify. He                                                                    
hoped to continue  the conversation in order  to improve the                                                                    
criminal justice system.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 127 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                              
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon discussed the agenda for the following                                                                       
day                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
4:40:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 4:40 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 127 Support Letter Packet 1.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Opposition Letter Setterberg.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Opposition Letter JREC.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Opposition Letter Fairbanks Native Association.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Opposition Letter Bourland.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Opposition Letter Anders.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Opposition Letter NAMI.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Opposition Letter JAMHI.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Cheshire.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Sholton.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Dunn.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Boyer.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Odom.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Jackson 2.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Knell.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Myers-Lewis.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Jenkins.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Oyie.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Bergt.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Raymond.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Eubank.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Boedecker.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Hickel.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Garrett.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Jackson.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Verreux.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Garnett.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Wooliver.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Parker.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Neumann.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Testimony Bickley.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Jab.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Demming.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Carlson.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Coons.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Highly.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Haslett.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Hart.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Cox.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony McCrone.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Fiscus.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Jokela.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Derrick.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Murr.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Dalton.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Kuest.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Horvath.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Myers.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Ward.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Matteson.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Morgan.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Grothe.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony Muller.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Public Testimony REPEAL of SB91.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
SB 91
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SB 127 Public Support SB 91 and Tourism.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
SB 91
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SB 127 Opposition Letter Tetlow.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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SB 127 Support Letter Packet 2.pdf SFIN 4/19/2018 1:30:00 PM
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