Legislature(2017 - 2018)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/16/2018 01:30 PM FINANCE

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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 16, 2018                                                                                            
                         1:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  called  the  Senate  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:34 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Anna MacKinnon, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Vice-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative Les  Gara, Sponsor; Michelle  Sydeman, Staff,                                                                    
Representative  Les Gara;  Christy Lawton,  Director, Office                                                                    
of Children's  Services; Representative Adam  Wool, Sponsor;                                                                    
Rob Earl,  Staff, Representative Adam Wool;  Rich Etheridge,                                                                    
Fire  Chief,  Juneau;   David  Teal,  Director,  Legislative                                                                    
Finance  Division;  Representative Justin  Parish,  Sponsor;                                                                    
Robert  Edwardson,  Staff  to  Representative  Parish;  Mike                                                                    
Barnhill,  Deputy   Commissioner,  Department   of  Revenue;                                                                    
Alexei Painter, Analyst, Legislative Finance Division.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Margaret Brodie, Director,  Division of Healthcare Services,                                                                    
Anchorage;  Jeff  Tucker,   President,  Alaska  Fire  Chiefs                                                                    
Association,  Kenai; Brittany  Smart,  Fairbanks North  Star                                                                    
Borough/Mayor's   Office,    Fairbanks;   Brian   Bjorquist,                                                                    
Attorney Generals Office, Anchorage.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 151(FIN)                                                                                                                   
         DHSS;CINA; FOSTER CARE; CHILD PROTECTION                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 151(FIN) was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                     
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 176(FIN)                                                                                                                   
         EMER. MEDICAL TRANSPORT SERVICE PAYMENTS                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 176(FIN) was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                     
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 213(FIN)(efd fld)                                                                                                          
          PUBLIC SCHOOL TRUST FUND                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 213(FIN)(efd fld) was HEARD and HELD in                                                                          
          committee for further consideration.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 151(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to  the duties  of the  Department of                                                                    
     Health and  Social Services;  relating to  training and                                                                    
     workload standards  for employees of the  Department of                                                                    
     Health and Social Services  and providing immunity from                                                                    
     damages related to those  standards; relating to foster                                                                    
     care  home licensing;  relating to  civil and  criminal                                                                    
     history  background checks  for  foster care  licensing                                                                    
     and payments; relating to placement  of a child in need                                                                    
     of aid; relating to the  rights and responsibilities of                                                                    
     foster parents; requiring the  Department of Health and                                                                    
     Social Services  to provide information  to a  child or                                                                    
     person  released  from  the department's  custody;  and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:36:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LES GARA,  SPONSOR,  introduced himself.  He                                                                    
explained that  the bill would  result in fewer  children in                                                                    
foster care  and for shorter  periods of time. He  said that                                                                    
the  bill  provided  average  caseload  standards,  training                                                                    
standards, and  was a  model that had  worked well  in other                                                                    
states.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHELLE   SYDEMAN,   STAFF,    REPRESENTATIVE   LES   GARA,                                                                    
introduced herself.                                                                                                             
1:37:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon thanked Vice-Chair Gara for his work on                                                                      
behalf of children in the foster care system.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:39:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara explained the Sectional Analysis (copy                                                                      
on file):                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1 provides that the  short title of the bill is                                                                
     the Children Deserve a Loving Home Act.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2  amends   legislative  findings  related  to                                                                
     children to  add a finding  that the  department should                                                                    
     enable  a  child's  contact with  previous  out-of-home                                                                    
     caregivers  if  it  is  appropriate  and  in  the  best                                                                    
     interests of the child.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Sections 3 -  5 amend AS 47.05.310(c), (i),  and (k) to                                                                
     conform to a new subsection  added in section 6 of this                                                                    
     Act.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:40:38 PM                                                                                                                    
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1:40:40 PM                                                                                                                    
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Representative Gara continued with the Sectional Analysis:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6  allows the Department  of Health  and Social                                                                
     Services (the  department) to issue  or renew  a foster                                                                    
     home  license or  provide foster  care  payments to  an                                                                    
     entity, individual  service provider, or person  if the                                                                    
     applicant  or  a person  who  resides  in the  home  is                                                                    
     barred from licensure or payments  because of a barrier                                                                    
     condition under AS 47.05.3 IO(c),  (i)(2), or (i)(3) if                                                                    
     (I) a person  in the home is an adult  family member or                                                                    
     family friend of a child  in the custody or supervision                                                                    
     of  the state,  (2) the  department finds  that placing                                                                    
     the   child  with   the   entity,  individual   service                                                                    
     provider, or  person is  in the  best interests  of the                                                                    
     child, and  (3) the  conduct that is  the basis  of the                                                                    
     barrier  occurred at  least ten  years before  the date                                                                    
     the department  receives the application  for licensure                                                                    
     or  renewal   or  makes  a   payment  to   the  entity,                                                                    
     individual service provider, or person.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 7 amends requirements  relating to the transfer                                                                
     of a child  from one placement to another  to require a                                                                    
     supervisor  at the  department  to  certify in  writing                                                                    
     whether the  department has conducted  a search  for an                                                                    
     appropriate placement  with an  adult family  member or                                                                    
     family friend.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Section 8 provides  that a foster parent  has the right                                                                
     and  responsibility to  use  a  reasonable and  prudent                                                                    
     parent standard  to make decisions relating  to a child                                                                    
     in foster care, and  requires the department to provide                                                                    
     foster   parents   with   training  relating   to   the                                                                    
     reasonable and prudent parent standard.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Section 9 requires the department  to engage a child in                                                                
     an  out-of-home placement  who is  14 years  of age  or                                                                    
     older in  the development or  revision of a  case plan,                                                                    
     permanency  goal, or  alternative  permanency plan  for                                                                    
     the  child and  allows the  child to  select up  to two                                                                    
     adults, in  addition to the  child's foster  parents or                                                                    
     department employees  who are  supervising the  care of                                                                    
     the  child, to  participate in  the development  of the                                                                    
     plan.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 10  amends AS 4  7.10.093(a) to conform  to new                                                                
     AS 47.17.030(g) added in section                                                                                           
     18 of this Act.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section   11  amends   confidentiality  provisions   to                                                                
     require  a state  or municipal  agency  or employee  to                                                                    
     disclose    appropriate     confidential    information                                                                    
     regarding a case  to the sibling of a child  who is the                                                                    
     subject of the  case if it is in the  best interests of                                                                    
     the child to maintain contact with the sibling.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section  12 requires  a supervisor  at the  department,                                                                
     when  the  department  takes  emergency  custody  of  a                                                                    
     child,  to certify  in writing  whether the  department                                                                    
     has  conducted a  search for  an appropriate  placement                                                                    
     with an adult family member or family friend.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section  13 requires  the department  to search  for an                                                                
     appropriate placement  with an  adult family  member or                                                                    
     friend  when the  child is  removed  from the  parent's                                                                    
     home.  The section  also requires  a supervisor  at the                                                                    
     department   to   certify   in  writing   whether   the                                                                    
     department has conducted the search.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 14  amends AS  14.14. l  OO(i) to  provide that                                                                
     when a  child can remain  safely at home with  an adult                                                                    
     family  member or  guardian who  lives with  the child,                                                                    
     the child  may not be  placed with an  out-of-home care                                                                    
     provider.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Section 15  requires the department to  provide contact                                                                
     information to siblings who  are in separate placements                                                                    
     if  it is  in the  best  interests of  the children  to                                                                    
     maintain contact.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section  16   requires  the  department   to  implement                                                                
     workload   standards  and   a   training  program   for                                                                    
     department  employees and  to provide  a report  to the                                                                    
     legislature  if  the department  is  not  able to  meet                                                                    
     certain standards.  Section 16  also provides  that the                                                                    
     department  is immune  from suit  if the  department is                                                                    
     unable  to   meet  workload  standards   under  certain                                                                    
     circumstances. Section 16 requires  the division of the                                                                    
     department  with  responsibility  over the  custody  of                                                                    
     children   to  provide   an   annual   report  to   the                                                                    
    legislature on employee recruitment and retention.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section  17   adds  a  new  subsection   requiring  the                                                                
     department  to   assist  an  adult  family   member  in                                                                    
     obtaining   a  foster   care  license,   including  any                                                                    
     necessary  variances, if  placing  the  child with  the                                                                    
     adult family  member is  in the  best interests  of the                                                                    
     child.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section 18  adds a new  subsection providing  that when                                                                
     the department  or a local government  health or social                                                                    
     services  agency completes  certain investigations  and                                                                    
     identifies an  appropriate community  organization that                                                                    
     will  provide support  services to  families, that  the                                                                    
     department  or  a  local government  health  or  social                                                                    
     services  agency  shall  refer the  child's  parent  or                                                                    
     guardian to the community  organization upon consent of                                                                    
     the  child's  parent  or   guardian.  Section  18  also                                                                    
     provides  for confidentiality  of information  received                                                                    
     by   the   community   organization   under   the   new                                                                    
     subsection.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:46:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara continued to address the Sectional                                                                          
Analysis:                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 19  requires the department,  for a  person who                                                                
     is 16 years of age or  older, to provide the person, or                                                                    
     assist the  person with  obtaining, the  person's birth                                                                    
     certificate,  social  security card,  health  insurance                                                                    
     information,  medical  records,   driver's  license  or                                                                    
     identification  card,  and  certificate  of  degree  of                                                                    
     Indian or Alaska Native blood,  if applicable, when the                                                                    
     person is released from state custody under AS 47.10.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  20  requires  the department,  to  the  extent                                                                
     feasible,  to  approve  or  deny  a  foster  care  home                                                                    
     license, including  a request for a  variance, not more                                                                    
     than  45 days  after the  date the  department receives                                                                    
     the application for a foster care home license.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Section 21  provides secs. 2, 7  ? 9, 11 -  15, 17, and                                                                
     19 of  the Act  applies to  a child  in the  custody or                                                                    
     under the supervision of the  department under AS 47.10                                                                    
     on or after  the effective dates of secs. 2,  7 - 9, 11                                                                    
     - 15, 17,  and 19 of the Act. Section  19 also provides                                                                    
     that  secs.  3  -  6  and   20  of  the  Act  apply  to                                                                    
     applications   for   a    license,   license   renewal,                                                                    
     certification,   certification   renewal,  or   payment                                                                    
     received by  the department on  or after  the effective                                                                    
     dates  of secs.  3 -  6 and  20 of  the Act  Section 22                                                                    
     allows  the department  to adopt  regulations necessary                                                                    
     to  implement   the  changes  made  by   the  Act.  The                                                                    
     regulations  may not  take effect  until the  effective                                                                    
     date  of the  section  of the  Act  implemented by  the                                                                    
     regulation.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section  23 requires  the department  to implement  the                                                                
     changes made by secs. 7 - 9  and 12 - 14 not later than                                                                    
     90  days after  the effective  date of  those sections.                                                                    
     Those  sections  relate  to  searches  for  appropriate                                                                    
     placements   with   family   members,   foster   parent                                                                    
     decision-making,  involving  children  14 or  older  in                                                                    
     case  plans, and  allowing  a child  to  remain in  the                                                                    
     child's home  with an adult  family member.  Section 23                                                                    
     also requires  the department to implement  the changes                                                                    
     made by secs. 2  - 6, 11, 15, 17, 19,  and 20, and some                                                                    
     of  the changes  made by  sec. 16,  not later  than one                                                                    
     year after the effective  date of those sections. Those                                                                    
     sections  relate to  legislative findings,  barriers to                                                                    
     foster  care  licensing   and  payments,  sharing  case                                                                    
     information  with siblings,  providing sibling  contact                                                                    
     information in certain  situations, department training                                                                    
     and  reports,  assisting  family members  in  obtaining                                                                    
     foster   care    licenses,   providing   identification                                                                    
     information to children 16 or  older when released from                                                                    
     department  custody,   and  approval  of   foster  care                                                                    
   licenses within 45 days of receiving an application.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Section   23  further   requires   the  department   to                                                                
     implement the  rest of the  changes made by sec.  16 of                                                                    
     the Act  not later than  two years after  the effective                                                                    
     date of that section.  Those changes relate to employee                                                                    
     workload standards.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section  24 provides  that  sec. 22  of  the Act  takes                                                                
     effect immediately.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:47:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sydeman relayed that the bill  would give 1 year for the                                                                    
department   to  implement   searches  for   placement  with                                                                    
appropriate  family  members,  to  train  staff  on  how  to                                                                    
involve children  14 and  older on  the development  of case                                                                    
plans,  to  implement the  policy  of  allowing a  child  to                                                                    
remain in a home with an  adult family member that was not a                                                                    
parent, and  to bring training up  to the new standard  of 6                                                                    
weeks  of  training.  She  said  that  there  was  a  3-year                                                                    
implementation  period for  several  of  the more  difficult                                                                    
parts of  the bill. She  thought that the Senate  Health and                                                                    
Social Services  committee had  ultimately adopted  a 2-year                                                                    
training  period  for  caseload  standards; to  get  to  the                                                                    
average standard  of 13  families per  worker, 6  within the                                                                    
first 6 months and 12 within the first year.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:49:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara added  that the  90-day effective  date                                                                    
sections were for Sections 7 through 9 and 12 through 14.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon requested further clarification.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  responded that  Sections 7  referred to                                                                    
the supervisor  certifying in writing  that a  family search                                                                    
and  been done.  Section 8  referred to  the prudent  parent                                                                    
standard  that would  allow for  children to  participate in                                                                    
extracurricular  activities  without   the  consent  of  the                                                                    
Office of  Children's Services (OCS). Section  9 would allow                                                                    
for the engagement  of children 14 years and  older in their                                                                    
case plan  and permanent placement planning  goals. Sections                                                                    
12 and  13 referred to  OCS signoff on family  friend foster                                                                    
home placement.  Section 14 was  a provision that  said that                                                                    
if there  was a family  member in  the home that  could keep                                                                    
the child safe then the child  would not be removed from the                                                                    
home.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY  LAWTON, DIRECTOR,  OFFICE  OF CHILDREN'S  SERVICES,                                                                    
(OCS) introduced herself.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether the  department supported                                                                    
the bill and the transitional dates therein.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  replied  that   the  department  supported  the                                                                    
legislation.  She revealed  that the  department had  worked                                                                    
with  the  bill  sponsor  on   the  transitional  dates  and                                                                    
believed that they could be implemented without delay.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:51:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether  there was a  mechanism in                                                                    
the bill that required the  department to report back to the                                                                    
legislature on the progress of the transitions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton responded  that the bill required  that an annual                                                                    
report be submitted to the legislature.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:51:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether the  department would  be                                                                    
able  to submit  a  report in  90 days  that  would let  the                                                                    
legislature   know   that   the  department   that   trained                                                                    
supervisors of the updated requirements.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:52:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  expressed concern about Section  6 and the                                                                    
barrier  crimes. He  worried that  people who  had committed                                                                    
crimes against  children might be eligible  to become foster                                                                    
parents.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  replied that  the  challenge  with the  barrier                                                                    
crimes  sometimes came  up with  grandparents that  may have                                                                    
had previous criminal or child  protection history. She said                                                                    
that the  bill allowed for an  evaluation on a case  by case                                                                    
basis, it  did not  require that a  license be  granted, but                                                                    
allowed for the  person to demonstrate how  they had changed                                                                    
their behavior.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:53:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  asked whether a  person who had  a history                                                                    
of sexual  abuse of  a minor  or physical  abuse of  a minor                                                                    
would  be  allowed  to  foster a  child  after  the  10-year                                                                    
statute of limitations elapsed.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton  replied that no  acceptations would be  made for                                                                    
perpetrators of sexual  abuse. She said that in  the case of                                                                    
physical abuse the facts of  the case would be examined. She                                                                    
reiterated that  each case  would be examined  on a  case by                                                                    
case basis.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:54:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche asked whether  there should be a limitation                                                                    
in written into statute that addressed sexual abuse.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  believed that  the  language  in the  bill  was                                                                    
written sufficiently.  She said  that process  for reviewing                                                                    
such cases  was multi-layered.  She did  not believe  that a                                                                    
person who  should not  be licensed  would slip  through the                                                                    
cracks.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof thought  that there  were aspects  of the                                                                    
bill that  could be dealt  with in regulation.  She wondered                                                                    
why a statute was required.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton replied that a  statute would offer stability and                                                                    
the assurance  that the changes  would not be  undone easily                                                                    
in the future.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof related that  if the proposals in the bill                                                                    
were best practices,  it seemed unlikely that  they would be                                                                    
challenged in the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton  replied that  having  the  language in  statute                                                                    
would give  additional strength and  authority to  the tasks                                                                    
and activities  of the department  and would help  to ensure                                                                    
correct implementation and retention.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:56:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof  understood that the bill  would limit the                                                                    
number  of  cases per  worker,  with  the intent  of  making                                                                    
caseloads manageable.  She asked  if there was  a transition                                                                    
plan for current workers to give  some of their cases to new                                                                    
workers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton replied  that the  department would  need to  be                                                                    
thoughtful about  how new staff was  incorporated to provide                                                                    
relief for existing  staff. She said that there  had been an                                                                    
increased effort put into having  less entries than exits in                                                                    
the system.  She believed that  if the department  could get                                                                    
more  children safely  exiting foster  care, and  reduce the                                                                    
number coming in,  that would help to  safely lower existing                                                                    
worker caseloads.  She said that the  department was working                                                                    
to  refer more  services over  to the  Tribal Child  Welfare                                                                    
Compact,  which was  working on  relative searches,  helping                                                                    
with family  contact, and  conducting safety  assessments in                                                                    
relative's  home  for  placement.   She  stressed  that  the                                                                    
department  was   working  on   many  ways  to   bridge  the                                                                    
transition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:00:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon asked how many  current case workers were                                                                    
employed by the state and what was the vacancy factor.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton   responded  that   there  were   currently  219                                                                    
authorized, case carrying workers.  In 2017, the turnover of                                                                    
those caseworkers was at 49 percent.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:01:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked how many vacancies  the department                                                                    
currently had.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton   replied  that  the  department   had  64  open                                                                    
caseworker positions.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   questioned  whether  a   reduction  in                                                                    
caseloads could result in the  openings being filled without                                                                    
hiring additional workers.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Lawton responded that even  if the openings were filled,                                                                    
additional  caseworkers   would  be   needed  to   meet  the                                                                    
standards laid out in the bill.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:01:31 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:02:38 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:02:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether there were  reasons, other                                                                    
than caseload  numbers, that  had led  to the  high turnover                                                                    
rate within the division.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lawton shared  that an  annual staff  survey had  cited                                                                    
caseloads as the  number one reason for  leaving a position;                                                                    
after  that, compensation,  lack of  sufficient supervision,                                                                    
and the  ability to affect  real change in  communities were                                                                    
other reasons that people left the agency.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:04:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon announced that the  bill would be held in                                                                    
committee for further review.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:04:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara related  that the  bill was  modeled on                                                                    
child welfare practices in New  Jersey, which were common in                                                                    
other child welfare  agencies. He said that  the practice of                                                                    
hiring 20 percent more  caseworkers than initially necessary                                                                    
was in  anticipation of  high turnover  rates. He  said that                                                                    
neglecting to  hire the positions  in the fiscal  note would                                                                    
result in  caseloads of 30  cases per worker.  He understood                                                                    
that it  seemed counterintuitive,  but that it  necessary to                                                                    
solve the problem of burnout.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:06:04 PM=                                                                                                                   
Co-Chair MacKinnon  felt that there were  too many positions                                                                    
on  the  fiscal note.  She  felt  that the  number  deserved                                                                    
further scrutiny.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stevens asked  whether the  bill would  address the                                                                    
issue of  foster children  being placed  in many  homes over                                                                    
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:07:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  said that more kinship  or family homes                                                                    
would  be sought;  additionally, less  caseloads per  worker                                                                    
would  lead to  better outcomes  for long-term  placement of                                                                    
children.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:08:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  understood that  the bill would  grant the                                                                    
authorization  for  the agency  to  over-hire  but that  the                                                                    
expectation  of  proportion  of spend  was  similar  to  the                                                                    
current spend.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Gara  reiterated  that the  extra  positions                                                                    
would be  needed to  reduce the caseloads  so that  when new                                                                    
people  were  hired  they  would   face  a  less  staggering                                                                    
caseload.  He  noted that of the 21 positions,  12 were case                                                                    
carrying  workers  and  9 were  support  and  administrative                                                                    
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche supported  that  additional positions.  He                                                                    
wondered  whether  the same  amount  of  positions would  be                                                                    
necessary in the future once the caseload levels decreased.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:11:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gara  said that he hoped  that turnover could                                                                    
be reduced enough that fewer positions could be a reality.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:11:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof thought  that increasing caseworkers would                                                                    
not solve  all of  the problems faced  by the  division. She                                                                    
lamented that  the bill did  not address changes  that could                                                                    
be  made  by the  department  to  address efficiencies.  She                                                                    
recommended  that  the money  from  the  unfilled but  fully                                                                    
funded  PCNs  could  be  used   to  fund  an  audit  of  the                                                                    
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  said that  she  would  be looking  into                                                                    
whether  there   were  funds  associated  with   the  vacant                                                                    
positions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:15:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop spoke  of the successes of  New Jersey. He                                                                    
hoped that OCS might hire  some people to handle an overflow                                                                    
of  casework  and then  lay  off  those employees  once  the                                                                    
workload had decreased.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:16:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson thought  that an audit would  cost hundreds of                                                                    
thousands of  dollars. He  agreed it  could be  valuable but                                                                    
expressed concern  that the issues  that the  bill addressed                                                                    
would only get worse if  the legislature waited for an audit                                                                    
to be conducted.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  understood that the suggested  audit was                                                                    
meant  to occur  in conjunction  with implementation  of the                                                                    
bill.  She   thought  that   an  audit   of  OCS   could  be                                                                    
illuminating.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:18:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop thought that it  was a matter of exploring                                                                    
best practices.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:18:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Micciche  suggested   that  senators   review  the                                                                    
comprehensive audit of the department  that had already been                                                                    
conducted.  He did  not believe  that  an audit  of OCS  was                                                                    
necessary.  He believed  that the  challenges  faced by  OCS                                                                    
were obvious and did not require further study.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:19:47 PM                                                                                                                    
Co-Chair MacKinnon  announced that  amendments were  due the                                                                    
following day by 5pm.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 151(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 176(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to medical assistance reimbursement                                                                       
     for emergency medical transportation services; and                                                                         
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:20:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ADAM WOOL, SPONSOR, introduced himself.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ROB  EARL,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  ADAM  WOOL,  introduced                                                                    
himself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:21:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool explained  that the bill would  set up a                                                                    
mechanism that the Department of  Health and Social Services                                                                    
(DHSS) could use to gain  access to federal funds that could                                                                    
then  be dispersed  to municipalities  to further  reimburse                                                                    
them for medical transport, both  ground and air. He relayed                                                                    
that, currently, emergency medical  services (EMS) were only                                                                    
compensated  for a  fraction of  the  costs associated  with                                                                    
transporting a Medicaid beneficiary.  The bill requests that                                                                    
the  federal  government  amend Alaska's  Medicaid  plan  to                                                                    
include supplemental  reimbursements for  medical transport.                                                                    
He said that the Title 19  Social Security Act allowed for a                                                                    
certain  reimbursement for  states. Tribal  transports would                                                                    
be reimbursed  at 100  percent. He  noted other  states that                                                                    
had  enacted  similar  programs.  He stated  that  in  2017,                                                                    
Alaska  had 21,000  claims for  ground transport,  averaging                                                                    
$800, unreimbursed  by Medicaid,  for each  transport. Based                                                                    
on  those  numbers, the  state  could  receive roughly  $8.5                                                                    
million to recoup some of  the transport costs. He furthered                                                                    
that there  had been  281 claims in  air transport  in 2017,                                                                    
averaging $17,000 for each incident.  Based on those numbers                                                                    
the state  could receive $2  million in  unreimbursed costs.                                                                    
He stated  that the number  of transports was  increasing in                                                                    
the state  due to the  opioid crisis. He cited  the document                                                                    
"HB 176 Flow Chart"(copy on file).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:25:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Earl looked  at the document titled,  "Flow Chart" (copy                                                                    
on  file).  The chart  illustrated  the  flow of  funds  for                                                                    
medical transport:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Explanation    Based  on  Hypothetical $1000  Transport                                                                  
     Cost  The Provider  is  reimbursed  $400 under  regular                                                                  
     state  Medicaid for  a $1000  transport. This  leaves a                                                                    
     $600 UCC.  Under HB 176,  the Provider then  sends $300                                                                    
     to DHSS  (Supplemental) and CMS  matches with  the $300                                                                    
     federal  share.  DHSS  then  sends  $600  back  to  the                                                                    
     Provider.  The  Provider  recoups  $700  of  the  $1000                                                                    
     Transport  Cost ($400  Regular  State  Medicaid +  $300                                                                    
     Federal  Share). Administrative  fees  (expected to  be                                                                    
     nominal)  will be  deducted from  the reimbursement  to                                                                    
     the Provider.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:27:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Bishop  asked   what   would   happen  in   the                                                                    
hypothetical scenario if the bill were not to pass.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Earl replied  that the provider would get  the $400, but                                                                    
that the bill would offer significant help.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:27:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bishop said  that the  non-reimbursable rate  of                                                                    
transport was reaching crucial levels in his district.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:27:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon queried how  the department would process                                                                    
the $800 piece of paperwork.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:28:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool  looked  at   the  fiscal  note,  which                                                                    
reflected that one person would  need to be hired to process                                                                    
the paperwork.  The cost would  be passed on to  the federal                                                                    
government in the overall cost  of the uncompensated portion                                                                    
of  the  transportation  bill.   The  50/50  split  for  the                                                                    
administrative cost  was between the federal  government and                                                                    
municipalities.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:28:59 PM                                                                                                                    
Vice-Chair Bishop  understood that  the position  started at                                                                    
Range 18, or $97,000 annually.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether the  state would  need to                                                                    
apply for a waiver.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  replied that a negotiated  new contract                                                                    
would  need  to  be  approved by  the  Center  for  Medicaid                                                                    
Services (CMS); approval was expected.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:30:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether  the  program involved  a                                                                    
waiver or a contract.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Wool  deferred   to   the  department   for                                                                    
confirmation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:30:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARGARET BRODIE, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION OF HEALTHCARE SERVICES,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), shared that the  bill would                                                                    
not  require  a  waiver  but  would  require  a  state  plan                                                                    
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:31:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked how ling the  state plan amendment                                                                    
process would take.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brodie replied  that the  state plan  was amended  on a                                                                    
regular basis;  the entire process  could take 30 days  to 9                                                                    
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   asked  whether  the  state   had  been                                                                    
certified for its Medicaid system.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brodie  responded  that  the   system  had  yet  to  be                                                                    
certified.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:31:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  where   the  state  was  in  the                                                                    
certification process.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brodie  said that the  department had received  an email                                                                    
from  CMS   and  was  in   the  process  of  setting   up  a                                                                    
teleconference  to discussed  issues that  had been  raised.                                                                    
She  said  that  some  of  the issues  raised  by  CMS  were                                                                    
optional and not mandatory for certification.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether the state  had covered all                                                                    
of the critical outstanding issues.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brodie relayed  that the one issue  outstanding was that                                                                    
of the National Correct  Coding Initiative Editing Sequence.                                                                    
The issue should be cleared up by the end of April 2018.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:33:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  understood that there were  other issues                                                                    
still unresolved.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brodie asserted  that there were no  critical defects in                                                                    
the system.  She added that  the defects that  were relevant                                                                    
did no impact claims payments.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:34:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon expressed appreciation  for the work done                                                                    
by Ms. Brodie and her team.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:34:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  TUCKER,  PRESIDENT,  ALASKA FIRE  CHIEFS  ASSOCIATION,                                                                    
KENAI (via  teleconference), spoke  in support of  the bill.                                                                    
He noted that there was zero  cost to the state to implement                                                                    
the program. [Mr. Tucker has a letter of support on file.]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:37:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether he  was comfortable  with                                                                    
the  50/50  split  between municipalities  and  the  federal                                                                    
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tucker replied in the affirmative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:38:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon understood that  claims would be paid one                                                                    
per year.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Tucker said  that the payment timing would be  set up in                                                                    
the  plan; the  processing of  the  claims could  be set  up                                                                    
monthly, quarterly, or annually.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:39:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  warned that  EMS organizations  might over                                                                    
invest,  and the  federal government  could discontinue  the                                                                    
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tucker believed  that any  federal program  carried the                                                                    
same risk.  He noted that  the program had existed  for over                                                                    
30 years.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:40:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  noted  that  the State  of  Alaska  was                                                                    
picking  up  approximately  60  percent  of  all  healthcare                                                                    
costs,  at  a  30  percent higher  fixed  cost  for  medical                                                                    
services than the rest of  the nation. She asked whether the                                                                    
bill would  provide another federal dollar  that would drive                                                                    
costs up further.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tucker  replied  that  he  did  not  know  whether  the                                                                    
legislation would drive up the cost.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:42:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  lamented  that medical  procedures  under                                                                    
Medicaid  were  high.  he  was  concerned  that  they  would                                                                    
increase for transport related services under the bill.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Tucker  did  not  believe   so.  He  stated  that  most                                                                    
transport was provided by  local municipalities or volunteer                                                                    
organizations  and were  non-profit or  publicly funded.  He                                                                    
believed that  the bill would  result in the  fully realized                                                                    
cost of services already being provided.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:44:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICH ETHERIDGE, FIRE CHIEF, JUNEAU,  spoke in strong support                                                                    
of  the legislation.  He relayed  that the  call volume  for                                                                    
emergency transportation was  increasing rapidly and without                                                                    
staffing  increases. He  understood that  the program  would                                                                    
offset the costs that were already being incurred.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:47:47 PM                                                                                                                    
Vice-Chair  Bishop   understood  that  the  intent   of  the                                                                    
legislation was  to help municipalities collect  on expenses                                                                    
already incurred and not to buy new equipment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Etheridge  replied in  the affirmative.  He said  that a                                                                    
few more personnel  would be needed to  drive the ambulances                                                                    
that were already part of the fleet.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:48:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   spoke  again  of  the   high  cost  of                                                                    
healthcare in Alaska. She  felt that Medicaid reimbursements                                                                    
led to the increase in costs in the private sector.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Etheridge could  not speak  to the  private sector.  He                                                                    
replied that  local municipalities were required  to justify                                                                    
any cost increases.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:49:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  said that it  was easier to raise  a fee                                                                    
that was being reimbursed by  the federal government and the                                                                    
state. She asserted  that the more services  provided by the                                                                    
state  and  federal  governments,  the  higher  the  private                                                                    
sector cost to receive the services.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:50:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  warned that  the smaller  districts needed                                                                    
to remember  that the  program was  not guaranteed  into the                                                                    
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:51:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  whether the  opioid  crisis  had                                                                    
contributed  to  an  increase  in  emergency  transportation                                                                    
calls.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Etheridge replied  that  there had  been  a 16  percent                                                                    
increase from 2016  to 2017. In 2018 there  had already been                                                                    
a 12  percent increase  in the  call volume.  Medicaid cases                                                                    
constituted 25 percent of the calls received.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:52:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  whether  EMS  directed  indigent                                                                    
patients to DHSS to sign up for Medicaid.                                                                                       
Mr.  Etheridge  replied  in  the   negative.  He  said  that                                                                    
hospital  employees helped  people  to  obtain services.  He                                                                    
said that  the fire department generally  ended up absorbing                                                                    
the costs.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:53:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRITTANY   SMART,  FAIRBANKS   NORTH  STAR   BOROUGH/MAYOR'S                                                                    
OFFICE, FAIRBANKS  (via teleconference), testified  that the                                                                    
borough  supported  the  legislation. She  shared  that  the                                                                    
borough charged $1000 per  ambulance transport, plus mileage                                                                    
charges;  however, the  average  Medicaid reimbursement  was                                                                    
only  $455  per  patient.   During  2016,  approximately  30                                                                    
percent  of   the  patients   transported  by   borough  EMS                                                                    
providers  were Medicaid  beneficiaries, accruing  more than                                                                    
$430,000 in uncompensated costs.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:54:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:54:32 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:54:54 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:54:57 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:55:21 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:55:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID   TEAL,   DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE   FINANCE   DIVISION,                                                                    
explained the  fiscal notes. He used  the $1000 hypothetical                                                                    
example  illustrated on  the flow  chart. He  said that  the                                                                    
administrative   costs  were   projected  at   approximately                                                                    
$110,000,  per  year.  He noted  that  local  municipalities                                                                    
would be  reimbursed - the  state would receive  nothing and                                                                    
would be charged nothing.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:58:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   said  that   the  fiscal   note  under                                                                    
discussion  was note  #3(copy on  file). She  furthered that                                                                    
the second note under discussion was #4(copy on file).                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal said  that the funding sources on  the fiscal notes                                                                    
gave the  illusion that  the bill would  cost the  state $22                                                                    
million,  but  that  it  was  a net  zero  fiscal  note.  He                                                                    
stressed that the fiscal notes  reflected a zero cost to the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:00:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bishop  interjected  that the  bill  was  budget                                                                    
neutral.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:01:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  asked whether  the  vision  was that  the                                                                    
department   would   change    municipalities   or   medical                                                                    
transportation   service  providers   a   few  dollars   per                                                                    
transport to recoup costs.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:01:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal said  that the  state position  would be  paid for                                                                    
with interagency  receipts that came  from what EMS  paid to                                                                    
the   state.  The   state  commission   would  be   paid  by                                                                    
municipalities.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:02:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche  thought  that  the  full  cost  would  be                                                                    
reimbursed, and the state would be compensated for costs.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal replied in the  affirmative. He reiterated that the                                                                    
state would  not be fronting  money; the  municipality would                                                                    
pay and then the federal  government would be matching those                                                                    
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:04:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop said  that the plan was  all contingent on                                                                    
the federal government.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:04:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon asked  for the location in  the bill that                                                                    
said  that the  state would  not be  fronting the  money and                                                                    
would not reimburse prior to receiving the federal funds.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brodie replied  that she did not know where  in the bill                                                                    
the language was located.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:05:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon believed that  such a safeguard should be                                                                    
written into the bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool agreed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:05:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon expressed  concern  that  the state  was                                                                    
covering much  of the cost of  Medicaid in the state  at the                                                                    
expense of driving up private sector costs.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brodie  replied  that  the   bill  was  for  government                                                                    
entities exclusively  and would  not include  private sector                                                                    
transportation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:07:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon felt  that  there  had been  conflicting                                                                    
information given during the meeting.  She believed that the                                                                    
inclusion  of Tribal  entities meant  that private  entities                                                                    
had to be included in the bill.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brodie replied  that  tribal  entities were  considered                                                                    
government entities.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:08:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  cited Page  2, line  10. He  asked whether                                                                    
there  was no  one  enrolled  at the  department  who was  a                                                                    
medical assistance  provider that  was a private  entity. He                                                                    
said  that   he  was  unaware  of   any  air  transportation                                                                    
providers that were not private entities.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brodie replied  that there  were private  entities that                                                                    
provided  transport  and  that  one of  those  entities  was                                                                    
partially owned by a Tribal entity.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:09:04 PM                                                                                                                    
Senator Olson  informed the committee  that the  North Slope                                                                    
Borough  had a  leer jet  and a  king air  aircraft for  air                                                                    
transport.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:09:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  relayed that the bill  would be reviewed                                                                    
again for consistency.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brodie  stated that there would  not be a change  in the                                                                    
rate paid to private providers.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:10:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wool  referred to an earlier  asked question.                                                                    
He believed  that answer could be  found on Page 1,  lines 8                                                                    
through 13:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Except as provided  in (b) of this  section, the amount                                                                    
     of the  supplemental reimbursement  paid to  a provider                                                                    
     must  be  equal  to  the amount  of  federal  financial                                                                    
     participation  that  the  department receives  for  the                                                                    
     nonfederal matching funds paid  by the provider through                                                                    
     intergovernmental   transfers   or   certified   public                                                                    
     expenditures, less any  administrative fee described in                                                                    
     (d) or (e) of this section.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:10:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon added  that answers  to questions  about                                                                    
the  private section  could  be  found on  Page  2, lines  8                                                                    
through 14:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     (c)   An  emergency   medical  transportation   service                                                                    
     provider is  eligible to participate in  the program if                                                                    
     the provider                                                                                                               
          (1) is enrolled with the department as a medical                                                                      
          assistance provider;                                                                                                  
          (2) voluntarily enters into an agreement with the                                                                     
         department to participate in the program;                                                                              
          (3)  is   owned  or  operated  by   the  state,  a                                                                    
          political   subdivision  of   the   state,  or   a                                                                    
          federally     recognized    tribe     or    tribal                                                                    
          organization;                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:10:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wool offered  to  walk  through a  Sectional                                                                    
Analysis.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:11:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon determined that it would be unnecessary.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:12:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon announced  that concerns  and amendments                                                                    
were due to her office by 5pm the following day.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 176(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 213(FIN)(efd fld)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the investment, appropriation, and                                                                     
     administration of the public school trust fund."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JUSTIN   PARISH,  SPONSOR,   introduced  the                                                                    
legislation.  He  explained that  the  bill  would help  the                                                                    
public  school  trust  fund  to   operate  at  the  industry                                                                    
standard. He  lamented that failure  to modernize  the trust                                                                    
had resulted in years of lost income.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:13:45 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:14:25 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:14:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Parish  looked  at   a  graph  title,  "CSHB                                                                    
213(FIN),  Public   School  Trust,  Actual  vs.   POMV  6/30                                                                    
Balances"  (copy  on file).  The  document  contained a  bar                                                                    
graph  that  provided the  numbers  in  thousands. the  POMV                                                                    
assumed a  70/30 equity/fixed  income asset  allocation from                                                                    
July 1,  1978 -  with a  4.75 percent  payout of  trailing 5                                                                    
year market  average. He relayed  that the bill  would allow                                                                    
the use  of equity growth as  a form of income,  which would                                                                    
have a higher yielded income.  He remarked that the fund was                                                                    
dedicated  to  education. He  thought  that  the bill  would                                                                    
allow for more consistency and predictability by using the                                                                      
POMV draw on the fund and preserving the inflation adjusted                                                                     
value.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:16:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon solicited questions from the committee.                                                                      
She believed that the fund management plan in the bill was                                                                      
unique.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:16:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT EDWARDSON, STAFF TO REPRESENTATIVE PARISH, discussed                                                                     
the Sectional Analysis (copy on file):                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1. (page 1, line  4): Amends AS 37.10.071(d) to                                                                  
     reflect the repeal  of AS 37.14.110(c) in  section 5 of                                                                    
     the  bill.   Current  AS  37.14.110(c)   maintains  the                                                                    
     distinction  between  principal  and  income,  and  the                                                                    
     purpose of  this bill is  to convert the  public school                                                                    
     trust  fund to  an endowment  fund structure  that does                                                                    
     not   require  maintaining   the  distinction   between                                                                    
     principal and income.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2. (page,  line 7): AS 37.14.160  is amended to                                                                  
     add section 5 to the  duties to direct the commissioner                                                                    
     to  determine  the  average  monthly  balance  for  the                                                                    
     public school  trust fund based on  the monthly average                                                                    
     market value of  the fund for the  five years preceding                                                                    
     the previous fiscal year.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:18:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Edwardson continued to discuss the Sectional Analysis:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3. (page  2, line 21-26): Adds  new section, AS                                                                  
     37.14.165  relating to  the use  of  the public  school                                                                    
     trust  fund  allowing  the legislature  to  appropriate                                                                    
     4.75   percent  of   the  amount   determined  by   the                                                                    
     commissioner  under   new  AS  37.14.160   (enacted  by                                                                    
     section 2 of the bill).  Appropriations must be for the                                                                    
     purpose of funding support for  state public schools or                                                                    
     for  reimbursing the  costs  of  administration of  the                                                                    
     fund.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section  4. (page  2, line  27    page 3,  line 8):  AS                                                                  
     37.14.170  is amended  to focus  the investment  of the                                                                    
     trust   fund  on   increasing   returns  from   capital                                                                    
     appreciation as  opposed to increasing net  income from                                                                    
     the  generation of  cash dividends  and interest.  This                                                                    
     permits  the  commissioner  to  invest  for  long  term                                                                    
     capital appreciation by  adjusting the asset allocation                                                                    
     of  the  trust  fund  to  weight  it  more  heavily  to                                                                    
     equities  as opposed  to  cash-generating fixed  income                                                                    
     securities.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5.  (page 3,  line 9):  AS 37.14.110(c)  and AS                                                                  
     37.14.140  are repealed.  AS 37.14.110(c)  is discussed                                                                    
     above at  section 1. Current AS  37.14.140 provides for                                                                    
     expenditure of net income only.  This is replaced by AS                                                                    
     37.14.165  (section  3  of  the  bill),  which  permits                                                                    
     expenditure  of  4.75  percent of  the  average  market                                                                    
     value of the fund.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche asked  whether the  actual rate  of return                                                                    
had  been  assumed  in  the   data  set  on  the  previously                                                                    
discussed document.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Parish  deferred   the   question  to   Mr.                                                                    
Barnhill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:21:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE BARNHILL,  DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE,                                                                    
said that  the key element  of the fund management  could be                                                                    
found  in   existing  state  law,  AS   37.14.110(c),  which                                                                    
required  retention of  the deposits  to  principal and  the                                                                    
capital gains  and losses.  He provided  a brief  history of                                                                    
the fund and  its comparison to the Permanent  Fund. He said                                                                    
that the education fund had  grown slowly because it had not                                                                    
been fully  exposed to  equity markets.  He shared  that the                                                                    
chart showed what  would have happened if the  fund had been                                                                    
invested from the beginning like  an endowment. He said that                                                                    
the department supported  the bill and believed  that it was                                                                    
time to  treat the fund  more like  an endowment so  that it                                                                    
could take  on a larger exposure  to equities and grow  at a                                                                    
faster rate over long periods of time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:24:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon understood that  the fund was a dedicated                                                                    
fund,  which was  rare.  She asked  whether  there were  any                                                                    
problems  with  this approach  to  the  fund, based  on  its                                                                    
historical use.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  believed that  there were  no legal  issues. e                                                                    
provided  He  shared  that  the  fund  was  a  pre-statehood                                                                    
dedicated fund formed  in 1915 by the  federal government as                                                                    
a land grant  fund for public education. He  relayed that in                                                                    
the mid-1970s, with the anticipation  of substantial oil and                                                                    
gas  revenues, the  legislature made  the decision  that the                                                                    
fund  would be  more robust  if  the land  were removed  and                                                                    
replaced  with a  dedication  of  one-half percent  receipts                                                                    
from the management of state lands.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:26:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  BJORQUIST, ATTORNEY  GENERALS OFFICE,  ANCHORAGE (via                                                                    
teleconference),  relayed   that  the  department   did  not                                                                    
believe that  there was  a dedicated  fund problem  with the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:28:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon asked what would  happen if the fund lost                                                                    
money and had to pay out part of its principal.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bjorquist replied  that  the  dedicated fund  component                                                                    
meant that the trust and the  monies in it were dedicated to                                                                    
supporting public  schools, regardless  of the  amounts paid                                                                    
out  or what  happened with  increases or  decreases of  the                                                                    
fund. He added  that there was no requirement  that there be                                                                    
no  invasion  of  principal,  restrictions  applied  to  one                                                                    
section of land, only 30 percent  of the value of the trust.                                                                    
He said that  the bill would modernize  the trust management                                                                    
of the  fund. He did not  believe that there were  any legal                                                                    
problems  with the  bill and  that  it did  not violate  the                                                                    
dedicated fund clause.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:29:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon referred to  a letter from the department                                                                    
from  February 6,  2018. She  asked  whether the  department                                                                    
maintained the position taken in the letter.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bjorquist replied in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:30:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  asked  whether the  model  on the  graph                                                                    
assumed a  certain return or  used historical  returns based                                                                    
on a theoretical mix of assets.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Barnhill replied  that the  graph was  modeled on  a 70                                                                    
percent  equity, 30  percent fixed  income asset  allocation                                                                    
represented by  the Russel 3000  Index when it  began, prior                                                                    
to the  Russel 3000,  the S&P  500 Index  had been  used. He                                                                    
said the  Lehman Aggregate Index,  now called  the Bloomberg                                                                    
Barclays  Index, had  been  used for  the  30 percent  fixed                                                                    
income asset allocation.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:31:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof asked  who would manage  the fund  in its                                                                    
new format.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  replied that the department  would continue to                                                                    
manage the fund.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:31:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von   Imhof  asked  whether  there   would  be  any                                                                    
cooperation  with  the  Alaska  Permanent  Fund  Corporation                                                                    
(APFC).                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill responded that the  fund would be kept separate                                                                    
from APFC.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:31:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  noted that the department  was outpacing                                                                    
APFC in some areas.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  stated that  the relative  performance between                                                                    
APFC and the Treasury Division vacillated over time.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  queried   the  future  proforma  return                                                                    
expectation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Barnhill relayed  that under  current  practices a  6.6                                                                    
percent return was expected.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:33:46 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:35:31 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:35:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   explained  that  a   chart  containing                                                                    
forward  looking assumptions  was being  distributed to  the                                                                    
committee. [This  document is  posted under  the "documents"                                                                    
tab for HFIN meeting 2/28/18]                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:35:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  related that the  chart had been  developed in                                                                    
the  other  body  in  an   effort  to  understand  what  the                                                                    
different  trailing  averages  looked   like  under  a  4.75                                                                    
percent POMV.  He noted  that the impact  on the  balance on                                                                    
the fund in  terms of its ability to keep  up with inflation                                                                    
using  the current  Callan  Capital  market assumptions.  He                                                                    
said that the  modeling was done on the  current balance, as                                                                    
opposed to  the principal balance or  the inflation adjusted                                                                    
balance. He  said that because  the Callan  assumptions were                                                                    
pessimistic over  the next 10  years at 6.5 percent,  if the                                                                    
objective was  to maintain the  inflation adjusted  value of                                                                    
the current  balance, that would  be difficult under  any of                                                                    
the methodologies.  He said that  at some point the  10 year                                                                    
plus bull  market would  come to  an end  and the  8 percent                                                                    
that was hoped for would not  be a reality. He lamented that                                                                    
it  would be  difficult to  maintain the  inflation adjusted                                                                    
value of  the current  balance under  a POMV  methodology, a                                                                    
variety of percentages, over the  next 10 years. He believed                                                                    
that things would improve over a  longer horizon of 20 to 30                                                                    
years. He stated  that as an endowment the  objective was to                                                                    
maintain  the  inflation  adjusted   value  of  deposits  to                                                                    
principal. He  said that  the total balance  of the  fund is                                                                    
north of $650  million. The notional value of  those is $310                                                                    
million  and  had been  tracked  since  1978. He  said  that                                                                    
taking  the deposits  to principal  and  adjusting them  for                                                                    
inflation  using  the  consumer  price  index,  the  current                                                                    
approximate inflation adjusted value  of the fund was closer                                                                    
to  $513 million.  He furthered  that if  the objective  for                                                                    
managing the endowment  was to maintain over  all periods of                                                                    
time the  inflation adjusted value of  the principal deposit                                                                    
it  did not  matter which  trailing average  was used.  At a                                                                    
4.75 percent distribution, under  the current Callan Capital                                                                    
market   assumptions,  inflation   adjusted  value   of  the                                                                    
deposits to  principal would be successful  over the 10-year                                                                    
horizon and into the future.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:40:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon said  that  she had  been measuring  the                                                                    
fund by  the Power Cost  Equalization Fund. She  stated that                                                                    
with that fund,  the state had lowered the  expected rate of                                                                    
return  and decreased  the risk.  She understood  that under                                                                    
the  bill the  asset allocation  would be  changed, possibly                                                                    
increasing the risk factor.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill  felt that the  distribution point for  the PCE                                                                    
fund  had been  fairly  aggressive. He  said  that the  bill                                                                    
contained  a  modest  4.75 percent  distribution  point.  He                                                                    
added  that the  4.75 to  5 percent  distribution range  was                                                                    
standard  in  managing  endowments around  the  country.  He                                                                    
believed  that   the  department  would  be   successful  in                                                                    
managing  the  fund  going   forward  while  protecting  the                                                                    
inflation adjusted value.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:40:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon asked whether  the 4.75 percent suggested                                                                    
in the legislation was the effective draw.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Barnhill said  that taking 4.75 percent  of the trailing                                                                    
5-year  average would  almost  always  produce a  percentage                                                                    
draw  of that  year balance  of less  than 4.75  percent. He                                                                    
reiterated that the objective was  to maintain the inflation                                                                    
adjusted value  over long periods  of time.  He  shared that                                                                    
the department  had requested in  the bill that  rather than                                                                    
have a static  4.75 percent, that the words,  "not more than                                                                    
4.75  percent" be  included in  the  language. He  explained                                                                    
that this would  correct annually if for  whatever reason it                                                                    
was prudent to spend less  than 4.75 percent in a particular                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:41:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon   agreed   that  the   department   was                                                                    
attempting to maintain the value.  She felt that it had been                                                                    
hard  to determine  a calculation  on  this particular  fund                                                                    
over the  past few  years working  with the  department. She                                                                    
wondered why the legislature would  give the department more                                                                    
flexibility. She  wondered how the Office  of Management and                                                                    
Budget  Director   arrived  at  the  calculation   of  money                                                                    
available  for  education out  of  the  fund over  the  past                                                                    
decade. She said  that a solid mathematical  formula had not                                                                    
been determined.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Barnhill did  not think  that the  cash flow  should be                                                                    
volatile. He  said that  going to a  static 4.75  percent of                                                                    
market value should make the  cash flow more predictable and                                                                    
stable.  He offered  reasons for  why  the department  would                                                                    
suggest going below 4.75 percent.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:46:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALEXEI  PAINTER,  ANALYST,   LEGISLATIVE  FINANCE  DIVISION,                                                                    
discussed  the fiscal  notes. The  first note  was from  the                                                                    
Department of  Education and Early Development  (DEED), K-12                                                                    
Aid to School  Districts. He stated that the  true impact of                                                                    
the bill would be the increase  of the amount of trust funds                                                                    
used. He asserted  that the fiscal notes  could be confusing                                                                    
due  to  the  way  that  the Governor's  FY  19  budget  was                                                                    
written. The  fiscal note reflected  an increase  of general                                                                    
funds of $1  million, and a decrease of  Public School Trust                                                                    
Funds of $1 million, the actual  affect of which would be to                                                                    
make an additional  $17 million realizable. He  said that if                                                                    
the  bill passed,  the fund  change that  would be  built in                                                                    
would be  an increase of  $17 million  of trust funds  and a                                                                    
decrease of  the same amount  of undesignated  general fund.                                                                    
The  second  note was  for  DEED,  Mount Edgecumbe  Boarding                                                                    
School and  showed that  the school was  no affected  by the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked if the  first note  reflected $1.2                                                                    
billion in total operating cost.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied in the  affirmative. He  explained that                                                                    
the bill would  impact the source of the funding  for the K-                                                                    
12 formula and the easiest way  to show that was to show all                                                                    
of the funding  in the Governor's request and  then show the                                                                    
change  in  the  funding.  He clarified  that  not  all  the                                                                    
funding would be affected by the bill.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:49:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether  the fiscal note  would be                                                                    
incorporated in to the budget.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter  replied that the  fund source would  change and                                                                    
the  numbers  appropriation  of Public  School  Trust  Funds                                                                    
would increase,  thereby decreasing the  fund capitalization                                                                    
of unrestricted general  funds by the same  amount. It would                                                                    
not  change  the amount  that  would  go to  the  foundation                                                                    
formula. He reiterated that the note lacked clarity.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon thought  that  there was  a chance  that                                                                    
education was being double funded.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter said  that the $1.2 billion was  included in the                                                                    
Governor's request. The appropriation  requested in the left                                                                    
column of the note showed the  change in the fund source. He                                                                    
revealed that the fiscal note  could not be adopted into the                                                                    
budget because the budget adopted  by the body did not match                                                                    
the Governor's request on the fund source.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:51:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof asked why  a fiscal note that  showed the                                                                    
difference going from the current  statutory income from the                                                                    
fund to a potential new POMV.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Painter replied that the  Governor's budget had built in                                                                    
a fiscal note  similar to the one before  the committee into                                                                    
the base budget that did  not reflect current statute or the                                                                    
legislation before  the committee.  He shared that  the note                                                                    
reflected  a  version  of  a different  bill,  that  used  a                                                                    
different calculation; and unorthodox  move by the Governor,                                                                    
that created an unusual fiscal note.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:52:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon offered  assurances that  an appropriate                                                                    
bill would  be crafted  by the  committee, and  would travel                                                                    
with  the   bill,  should  the   legislation  pass   out  of                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:52:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon OPENED public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:53:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon announced that amendments were due by                                                                        
5pm   the   following    day.   She   discussed   additional                                                                    
housekeeping.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 213(FIN)(efd fld) was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                      
further consideration.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
3:53:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:53 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 176 AML Letter.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 Sponsor Statement.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 Flow Chart.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 Letters of Support.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB176 - Explanation of Changes.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 176
HB 213 Letter to House Finance - Dept. of Revenue.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Letter to House Finance - Dept. of Law.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213--Supportive Letter.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Support letter.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Summary of Changes ver. R 2-8-18.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
HB 213
HB 213 Summary of Changes Ver U to N.A 4-12-2018.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
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HB 213 Sectional Analysis Ver N.A 4-12-2018.pdf SFIN 4/16/2018 1:30:00 PM
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