Legislature(2017 - 2018)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/12/2017 09:00 AM FINANCE

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+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled: TELECONFERENCED
+= SB 34 DRIVER'S LICENSE & ID CARDS & REAL ID ACT TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= SB 88 AK MENTAL HEALTH TRUST LAND EXCHANGE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 88(RES) Out of Committee
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 12, 2017                                                                                            
                         9:03 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:03:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon called the Senate Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 9:03 a.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Anna MacKinnon, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Vice-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                          
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator    Bert    Stedman,   Sponsor;    Sheldon    Fisher,                                                                    
Commissioner, Department of Administration; Leslie Ridle,                                                                       
Deputy Commissioner, Department of Administration.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dan  Lowden, Captain,  Alaska State  Troopers; Brian  Duffy,                                                                    
Administrative Director, Department  of Military and Veteran                                                                    
Affairs;  Marla   Thompson,  Director,  Division   of  Motor                                                                    
Vehicles, Department of Administration.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 88     AK MENTAL HEALTH TRUST LAND EXCHANGE                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          CSSB 88(RES) was REPORTED out of committee with a                                                                     
          "do pass" recommendation and with one previously                                                                      
          published zero fiscal note: FN1(DNR).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SB 34     DRIVER'S LICENSE & ID CARDS & REAL ID ACT                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          SB 34 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon discussed housekeeping.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 88                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  authorizing a land  exchange with  the federal                                                                    
     government in which certain  Alaska mental health trust                                                                    
     land is exchanged for certain  national forest land and                                                                    
     relating to  the costs of  the exchange;  and providing                                                                    
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:04:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  relayed that  the public hearing  for SB                                                                    
88 had  been held  on April  10, 2017,  and was  closed. She                                                                    
noted the one zero fiscal note attached to the bill.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BERT STEDMAN,  SPONSOR, thanked  the committee  for                                                                    
considering  the  bill.  He believed  that  the  legislation                                                                    
would  serve  the  state  by  stimulating  the  economy  and                                                                    
providing   communities  more   resources  for   the  timber                                                                    
industry, while retaining iconic viewsheds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon solicited questions from the committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:05:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bishop  MOVED  to report  CSSB  88(RES)  out  of                                                                    
Committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 88(RES) was REPORTED out  of committee with a "do pass"                                                                    
recommendation  and  with   one  previously  published  zero                                                                    
fiscal note: FN1(DNR).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:27 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:08:03 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 34                                                                                                            
     "An Act  relating to the implementation  of the federal                                                                    
     REAL  ID  Act of  2005;  and  relating to  issuance  of                                                                    
     identification   cards  and   driver's  licenses;   and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:08:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  relayed that public testimony  for SB 34                                                                    
had  been taken  on  March  27, 2017,  and  was closed.  She                                                                    
directed attention to a document  authored by the Department                                                                    
of Administration (DOA),  and dated April 11,  2017 (copy on                                                                    
file).  The  letter was  in  response  to questions  by  the                                                                    
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:09:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHELDON FISHER, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION,                                                                    
offered opening remarks.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon referred to question 1:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     1. What is currently required by REAL ID that we are                                                                       
     not doing?                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  responded  that,  currently,  when  an                                                                    
applicant  presented  a  source  document such  as  a  birth                                                                    
certificate as  proof of identity,  the Department  of Motor                                                                    
Vehicles  (DMV) accepted  that document  at face  value. The                                                                    
federal  REAL  ID  Act  would  require  DMV  to  verify  the                                                                    
authenticity  of  that  source document  by  confirming  the                                                                    
information with an existing database,  such as the National                                                                    
Bureau   of   Vital   Statistics   data   base   for   birth                                                                    
certificates. Additionally,  DMV would  be required  to take                                                                    
an  applicant's photo  at the  beginning of  the process  as                                                                    
well as the end, to protect against fraud.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:11:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  whether   there  was  reason  to                                                                    
believe   that  individuals   were  fraudulently   obtaining                                                                    
identification by the methods laid out in the REAL ID Act.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAN   LOWDEN,   CAPTAIN,    ALASKA   STATE   TROOPERS   (via                                                                    
teleconference), responded  that he did not  have first-hand                                                                    
knowledge of an occurrence,  but recalled previous testimony                                                                    
in the  other body by  am employee  of the DMV,  that listed                                                                    
approximately 5 instances of fraud per month.                                                                                   
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether there was  a public safety                                                                    
reason for photographs on IDs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Captain  Lowden stated  that troopers  used the  photographs                                                                    
and the  backup documentation for various  purposes. He said                                                                    
that  missing  persons  posters   and  wanted  persons  were                                                                    
created  from ID  photos, as  well  as using  the photos  to                                                                    
identify  deceased persons.  He  furthered  that the  photos                                                                    
were used  in photo line-ups for  suspect identification. He                                                                    
relayed that law enforcement in  the field had access to the                                                                    
photos  through  dispatch  centers,   which  is  useful  for                                                                    
identifying people who might not be carrying their ID.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:15:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Captain  Lowden  stated  that  the  photos  were  used  when                                                                    
troopers wanted  to identify people wanted  in other states,                                                                    
or if  a suspect escapes  police custody. He  specified that                                                                    
the  documents  were used  to  help  verify validity  of  an                                                                    
identification card  or driver's license. The  documents and                                                                    
photographs were used  to help in identity  theft cases, and                                                                    
to  reconcile criminal  history and  driving records.  There                                                                    
were occasions  when photos were  used to  determine whether                                                                    
multiple records needed to be moved into a single file.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:17:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman asked  Commissioner Fisher  to remind  the                                                                    
committee   about    the   timeline   for    enactment   and                                                                    
implementation of the REAL ID Act.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Fisher  detailed   that  the   United  States                                                                    
Department of  Homeland Security  had stated that  without a                                                                    
waiver, individuals  that did not  have a REAL  ID compliant                                                                    
license would  require some other federally  recognized form                                                                    
of ID  to access military  bases starting June 2017,  and to                                                                    
get through TSA, staring January 2018.   He said that if the                                                                    
legislation  passed, the  department  believed  it would  be                                                                    
able  to secure  another waiver  that will  allow the  state                                                                    
more time  to implement. He  anticipated that it  would take                                                                    
the  department until  the  middle of  2018,  to finish  the                                                                    
implementation  and begin  to issue  compliant IDs.  He said                                                                    
that the state  expected the waiver to be  granted, and that                                                                    
the  implementation should  not  be a  disruption to  Alaska                                                                    
residents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:19:17 AM                                                                                                                    
Vice-Chair   Bishop   requested  clarification   about   the                                                                    
documentation   required  to   access  military   bases.  He                                                                    
expressed concern about the spread of misinformation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  had  received assurance  that  if  the                                                                    
legislation passed, the state  would receive another waiver,                                                                    
which  would allow  Alaskans to  access  military bases  and                                                                    
pass through TSA,  for an extended period. He  said that the                                                                    
waiver would continue until  implementation was complete. He                                                                    
added  that  according  to the  material  published  by  the                                                                    
Department of  Homeland Security (DHS),  a real ID  would be                                                                    
sufficient to enter military bases.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop  requested confirmation from DHS  that the                                                                    
REAL ID would be accepted on military bases.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:21:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN   DUFFY,   ADMINISTRATIVE  DIRECTOR,   DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
MILITARY AND  VETERAN AFFAIRS (via  teleconference), assured                                                                    
the  committee   that  the  Real   ID  would  be   not  only                                                                    
sufficient, but required.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  shared that there  was a section  of the                                                                    
state population  that was asserting  that if the  state did                                                                    
nothing, waivers would continue  to be issues, and employees                                                                    
on military bases would be able  to enter and exit without a                                                                    
REAL ID.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Duffy  stressed  that military  bases  in  Alaska  were                                                                    
currently in compliance with provisions of the REAL ID Act.                                                                     
He  relayed that  individuals  that did  not  have a  United                                                                    
States Department  of Defense (DOD) identification  card, or                                                                  
compliant ID, were  either being denied entry  or were being                                                                  
escorted by  a DOD  ID holder while  on an  installation. He                                                                  
said  that without  a change  in statute  by the  expiration                                                                  
date of June  6, 2017, Alaska driver's  licenses and similar                                                                  
identification  cards from  6  additional  states, would  be                                                                  
added  to  the  list   of  identification  cards  designated                                                                  
insufficient.  He concluded,  saying that  installations had                                                                  
no   waiver  authority,   and  that   there  should   be  no                                                                  
expectation that the authority would be pursued.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:23:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof worried about  what would happen regarding                                                                    
access during the one-year implementation process.                                                                              
Mr. Duffy stated that  installations would recognize current                                                                    
identification  cards through  the  new extended  expiration                                                                    
date allowed by the anticipated waiver.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher reiterated that  for the expiration date                                                                    
to  be extended  the  state would  need  to receive  another                                                                    
waiver  from DHS.  He maintained  that  assurances had  been                                                                    
given  by DHS,  that if  the legislation  were to  pass, the                                                                    
state  would  receive  the  waiver. He  added  that  if  the                                                                    
legislation did  not pass,  the state  should not  expect to                                                                    
receive an additional waiver.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:25:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bishop  requested  the assurances  from  DHS  in                                                                    
writing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  said  that  the  assurances  had  been                                                                    
verbal, but that DHS had proven to be true to their word.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:25:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Micciche asked  whether the  current transportation                                                                    
worker   identification  card   met  the   requirements  for                                                                    
unescorted entrance into a military installation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy  replied in the  affirmative. He added  that there                                                                    
were  20  various  forms  of  identification  that  met  the                                                                    
current requirements.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche asked  whether the switch to a  REAL ID was                                                                    
optional for Alaskans.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher answered  in the  affirmative. He  said                                                                    
that the  intent of  the legislation  was to  give Alaskan's                                                                    
the choice.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche  understood that  the choice would  also be                                                                    
available to workers requiring access to military bases.                                                                        
Commissioner Fisher answered in the affirmative.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:27:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Bishop  requested that Captain Duffy  provide the                                                                    
committee  with  a  list  of the  20  alternative  forms  of                                                                    
approved identification.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy  stated that a  letter had been provided  to House                                                                    
State Affairs that could be forwarded to the committee.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether the  information required                                                                    
for the alternative forms of ID were fed into a database.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Duffy  responded that he  did not have  direct knowledge                                                                    
on the issue.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   MacKinnon   directed    the   question   to   the                                                                    
administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher understood  that enhanced identification                                                                    
documents had  similar requirements  for validation.  He did                                                                    
not know  whether there was  an existing database  for every                                                                    
form of ID.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   asked  whether  all   the  information                                                                    
required for the alternative IDs was the same.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher stated that  some IDs could require more                                                                    
information,  but that  it was  his  understanding that  the                                                                    
minimum was consistent across all 20 alternative forms.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon asked  whether Real  ID simply  required                                                                    
the  verification of  the  information  already required  by                                                                    
alternative forms of ID.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  provided  the   example  of  a  person                                                                    
brining a  passport as a  primary source  of identification,                                                                    
the  validity   of  the   passport  would   be  scrutinized,                                                                    
similarly  with a  birth certificate  or  a social  security                                                                    
card; primary  documents that were  offered would  be vetted                                                                    
for validity.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:30:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  wondered whether the  administration was                                                                    
bringing forward  a solution to the  problem Alaskan's would                                                                    
face  of  not  being  able  to  use  their  existing  Alaska                                                                    
driver's license  or state ID  to access a  federal facility                                                                    
as early as June 1, 2017,                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Fisher  answered   in  the   affirmative.  He                                                                    
clarified  that the  date would  be June  7, 2017,  with the                                                                    
waiver  expiring  on   June  6.  He  said   that  the  first                                                                    
facilitates that would be affected would be military bases.                                                                     
Co-Chair MacKinnon  understood that  the second  phase would                                                                    
begin January  1, 2018, at  which time Alaskan's  ability to                                                                    
fly would be  limited if they did not have  the proper ID to                                                                    
board commercial aircraft.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher  stated that  the date would  be January                                                                    
22, 2018. On  that date residents would be  required to have                                                                    
a  REAL   ID  compliant   license,  or   another  acceptable                                                                    
alternative, to fly.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  understood  that   the  intent  of  the                                                                    
legislation  was  to  offer Alaskans  a  choice  whether  to                                                                    
comply  with  the  REAL  ID  requirements  or  seek  another                                                                    
acceptable alternative form of ID.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher answered in the affirmative.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:32:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  asked whether Alaskans would  face other                                                                    
hurdles   in  having   to   re-present  their   verification                                                                    
documents each year, and would  they be unable to access DMV                                                                    
applications    online,    without   REAL    ID    compliant                                                                    
certification.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  explained  that  the  governor's  bill                                                                    
would not change the DMV's  ability to retain documentation,                                                                    
such as photographs and copies  of primary source documents.                                                                    
He said  that if the  bill as originally drafted  was passed                                                                    
by  the legislature,  those  that  received a  non-compliant                                                                    
license would continue to be  able to renew their license in                                                                    
a  way like  the current  process. He  stated that  some had                                                                    
suggested  that the  information should  not be  retained by                                                                    
DMV beyond a certain  timeframe. He lamented that destroying                                                                    
the information would require  residents to re-present their                                                                    
primary  source  documents  each  time  they  renewed  their                                                                    
license.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   interjected  that  the   Senate  State                                                                    
Affairs  Committee  had  amended  the bill  to  require  the                                                                    
destruction  of recorded  source documents  after a  certain                                                                    
period.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:34:25 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:36:12 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher clarified  that the  division currently                                                                    
maintained records  for 15  years, while  the Real  ID would                                                                    
require records to be maintained for 10 years.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:36:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  asked  whether  the  legislation  would                                                                    
increase  the workload  for DMV  employees, or  the time  it                                                                    
took for  patrons to  receive service,  and whether  the DMV                                                                    
had considered outsourcing possible work overflow.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  felt  that  the DMV  had  handled  the                                                                    
change  in  the  workload  in a  streamlined  and  efficient                                                                    
manner through  process engineering. He admitted  that there                                                                    
could be  slight disruptions  and possible  additional steps                                                                    
that would need to be  employed. He said that the department                                                                    
had considered  the option of using  third-party sources for                                                                    
work overflow and for issuing compliant IDs as well.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:39:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARLA  THOMPSON,  DIRECTOR,   DIVISION  OF  MOTOR  VEHICLES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT    OF   ADMINISTRATION    (via   teleconference),                                                                    
commented  that  the  division  was  excited  to  work  with                                                                    
business  partners   to  streamline  the  process   and  was                                                                    
currently in "test  mode" with a vendor  working on driver's                                                                    
licenses and  IDs. She  said that within  the next  30 days,                                                                    
the division was planning to launch more partnerships.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  assumed that  the partners  were private                                                                    
entities  that could  currently  provide driver's  licenses,                                                                    
and eventually the REL ID.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thompson answered in the affirmative.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:40:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Hoffman  asked   whether  first   time  READ   ID                                                                    
applicants would be required to  provide a birth certificate                                                                    
to qualify  for an  ID. He queried  what would  be different                                                                    
from the current process when it came to license renewal.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher  responded that  a person would  need to                                                                    
produce  the primary  source documents  again, even  if they                                                                    
had been previously presented, to  receive a REAL ID for the                                                                    
first  time. He  stated  that the  documents  would then  be                                                                    
validated through existing databases.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman  asked whether  applicants for the  REAL ID                                                                    
act could anticipate  the same timeframe of 7 to  10 days to                                                                    
receive their ID.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher answered in the affirmative.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:42:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Micciche felt that the  documents that were required                                                                    
to be TSA compliant, post  January 2018, had similar or more                                                                    
stringent requirements  than the  REAL ID. He  asked whether                                                                    
the  administration could  provide a  list of  the documents                                                                    
that  were TSA  compliant  for flying,  and  whether any  of                                                                    
those documents required less information than a REAL ID.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher replied that the  most common form of ID                                                                    
would be  the passport;  additionally, a foreign  passport -                                                                    
with an  appropriate visa  - would  qualify, or  a permanent                                                                    
resident card. He said that  all the qualifying IDs required                                                                    
an equal, if not more stringent, process.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:44:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman  expressed  concern that  many  people  in                                                                    
smaller  communities did  not  have  passports, and  thought                                                                    
many did  not have  access to  their birth  certificates. He                                                                    
wondered how  DMV could expeditiously assist  rural Alaskans                                                                    
seeking a REAL ID.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LESLIE   RIDLE,    DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,    DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION,  stated  that  the department  had  been  in                                                                    
communication with  the DHS  about the  unique needs  of the                                                                    
state  regarding the  rural population.  She  shared that  a                                                                    
longer waiver  could be sought  to ensure that  all Alaskans                                                                    
had access to a REAL ID.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thompson added that the  DMV would assist rural Alaskans                                                                    
to procure the appropriate  source documents. She offered to                                                                    
research the issue  and provide more information  at a later                                                                    
date.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman   envisioned  that  the  issue   of  rural                                                                    
Alaskans  having   trouble  in  procuring   the  appropriate                                                                    
documents for travel would be a frequent occurrence.                                                                            
9:48:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon wondered  whether  an outreach  campaign                                                                    
was   planned   for   rural  Alaskans   upon   passage   and                                                                    
implementation of the legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Fisher  assured   the   committee  that   the                                                                    
department would  develop a  strategy and  come back  to the                                                                    
committee with more information.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:49:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Bishop  spoke  of Commercial  Driver's  Licenses                                                                    
(CDL).  He hoped  that DMV  branches in,  and around,  rural                                                                    
areas  of  the  state   would  be  sufficiently  staffed  to                                                                    
accommodate  the  increased  workload  associated  with  the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:51:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von   Imhof  pondered  the  list   of  primary  and                                                                    
secondary   source   documents.   She  believed   that   the                                                                    
legislation could  lead to an  increase in requests  for the                                                                    
documents.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Fisher  clarified   that   the  primary   and                                                                    
secondary source documents were not issued by DOA.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof  asked where residents could  go to obtain                                                                    
a copy of their marriage license or birth certificate.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  shared  that  the  Division  of  Vital                                                                    
Statistics  housed  those  documents. He  thought  that  the                                                                    
department could help in directing people to the division.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  interjected that  the person  would have                                                                    
to travel to the state in  which they were born, or married,                                                                    
to access those documents.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:53:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  queried the storage of  personal data by                                                                    
the department.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher specified  that  the department  stored                                                                    
original applications containing  social security numbers, a                                                                    
copy  of  the  submitted   primary  documentation,  and  the                                                                    
photograph taken  at the  issuance of the  ID. He  said that                                                                    
none of  that information  was shared  outside of  the state                                                                    
and  was  stored  in  DMV  servers,  protect  by  the  state                                                                    
firewall, which would not change under the legislation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   referred  to  question  4.   She  also                                                                    
inquired whether there had ever been a security breach.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  responded  that  the  information  was                                                                    
restricted on  an "as  needed" basis;  different individuals                                                                    
would  have different  levels of  access depending  on their                                                                    
need. He  added that  the access  was monitored  and audited                                                                    
regularly. He  shared that  background checks  were required                                                                    
for  employees  of the  department  and  state partners.  He                                                                    
stated  that he  was not  aware of  a breach  of information                                                                    
within his tenure.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Thompson  added that she  was unaware of  the occurrence                                                                    
of a security breach.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:56:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  understood   that  marriage  and  birth                                                                    
certificates  went through  extensive  processing. She  said                                                                    
that  voter  registration   cards  differed,  and  expressed                                                                    
concern  that there  were names  on  the voter  registration                                                                    
roles  that did  not  match current  addresses. She  thought                                                                    
that if a  voter registration card were going  to be allowed                                                                    
as primary  ID for  a READ ID,  then the  voter registration                                                                    
database should be updated.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  clarified  that  the  department  used                                                                    
secondary documentation  to verify an  individual's presence                                                                    
in the  state. He agreed  that it  should be examined  as to                                                                    
whether  voter registration  was  of sufficient  reliability                                                                    
for a REAL ID.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:58:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  thought that the only  means of updating                                                                    
the voter  registration was to purchase  the social security                                                                    
list  of  deceased  Americans every  year,  and  then  cross                                                                    
sectioned  it   with  the  state's  data,   which  could  be                                                                    
expensive.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  understood  that the  legislature  had                                                                    
passed a  bill that allowed  the state to  share information                                                                    
with the Electronic  Registration Information Centre (ERIC).                                                                    
He  said that  the  intention  had been  to  ensure that  an                                                                    
individual could  not register  to vote in  multiple states.                                                                    
The  believed that  this gave  the  department some  insight                                                                    
whether a person had left the state.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:00:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  asked  whether the  information  shared                                                                    
within  the DMV  was similar  to the  information shared  on                                                                    
ERIC.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher stated that  most of the information was                                                                    
identical.  He  said that  the  DMV  did not  provide  phone                                                                    
numbers or  email addresses,  and that  the ERIC  provided 4                                                                    
digits of the  social security number, and  the DMV provided                                                                    
5.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   surmised  that  the   legislature  had                                                                    
already   implemented  some   of  the   information  sharing                                                                    
necessary to improve voter registration counts.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher answered in the affirmative.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:01:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof asked whether  an effort was being made to                                                                    
lower the  number of  digits of  the social  security number                                                                    
used by the DMV, from 5, to 4.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher stated that  the process had alerted the                                                                    
department to the  sensitivity of the using  the fifth digit                                                                    
of a social  security number. He said that  the process that                                                                    
the department worked through  with the American Association                                                                    
of Motor  Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) the  state managed,                                                                    
non-profit   association   that    helped   facilitate   the                                                                    
coordination  of information  required 5  digits. He  shared                                                                    
that  work was  being done  to see  if the  number could  be                                                                    
lowered to 4.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
10:02:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon referred to question 5:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Where is the federal requirement that Alaska use a                                                                         
     multi-state verification system?                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher read from the response letter:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     PL 109-13  Division B  (REAL ID  ACT of  2005) requires                                                                    
     states to  work together  to ensure  access of  data to                                                                    
     verify identity. The  Act does not specify  how this is                                                                    
     done.  CFR  Part  37 further  addresses  the  issue  of                                                                    
     multi-state versification  systems. DHS  had stipulated                                                                    
     the S2S  system developed  by the states  through AAMVA                                                                    
     will   meet   the   requirements   of   the   Act   and                                                                    
     corresponding regulations.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Fisher  relayed  that   other  ways  could  be                                                                    
constructed to  meet the AAMVA  requirement, but  they would                                                                    
most likely  be more costly  and difficult. He gave  a brief                                                                    
background on the history of AAMVA.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
10:04:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair   Bishop  commented   that  AAMVA   included  the                                                                    
provinces of Canada.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Fisher concurred.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  recounted the issues covered  during the                                                                    
meeting and solicited questions  from committee members. She                                                                    
said  that fiscal  notes attached  to the  legislation would                                                                    
continue to evolve as the bill was discussed in committee.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon discussed housekeeping.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:06:07 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:06 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB 34 - DPS Response re document retention.pdf SFIN 4/12/2017 9:00:00 AM
SB 34
SB 34 DOA response S FIN 4.11.17.pdf SFIN 4/12/2017 9:00:00 AM
SB 34