Legislature(2013 - 2014)SENATE FINANCE 532

04/16/2014 01:30 PM FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 278 EDUCATION TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
+ HB 385 PERS/TRS STATE CONTRIBUTIONS TELECONFERENCED
<Pending Referral>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= HB 379 OIL & GAS PROPERTY TAX
Heard & Held
= SB 220 PERS/TRS STATE CONTRIBUTIONS
Heard & Held
= HB 308 ALASKA SECURITIES ACT EXEMPTIONS
Heard & Held
= HB 361 LICENSING OF BEHAVIOR ANALYSTS
Heard & Held
= HB 160 LICENSING OF ATHLETIC TRAINERS
Heard & Held
= SB 48 PERS CONTRIBUTIONS BY MUNICIPALITIES
Heard & Held
= HB 116 PERS CREDIT FOR MILITARY SERVICE
Moved CSHB 116(L&C) Out of Committee
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      April 16, 2014                                                                                            
                         1:39 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:39:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  called the Senate Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 1:39 p.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative     Benjamin    Nageak;     Angela    Rodell,                                                                    
Commissioner,  Department  of  Revenue; Rob  Elkins,  Deputy                                                                    
Director,  North  Slope   Borough,  Anchorage;  David  Teal,                                                                    
Director,   Legislative  Finance   Division;  Representative                                                                    
Lindsey Holmes;  Representative Dan Saddler;  Sara Chambers,                                                                    
Director,   Corporations,   Businesses,   and   Professional                                                                    
Licensing,  Department of  Commerce, Community  and Economic                                                                    
Development;    Representative   Steve    Thompson;   Brodie                                                                    
Anderson,  Staff,   Representative  Steve   Thompson;  Lynne                                                                    
Young,   Executive   Director,  Alaska   Athletic   Trainers                                                                    
Association,  Juneau; LeeAnne  Carothers, President,  Alaska                                                                    
Physical  Therapy  Association,  Juneau;  Kathy  Lea,  Chief                                                                    
Pension  Officer,  Division   of  Retirement  and  Benefits,                                                                    
Department  of  Administration; Vasilios  Gialopsos,  Staff,                                                                    
Representative Charisse Millet;  David Scott, Staff, Senator                                                                    
Donnie   Olson;  Michael   Barnhill,  Deputy   Commissioner,                                                                    
Department of Administration.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Matt Fonder, Director, Tax  Division, Department of Revenue;                                                                    
Allan  Johnston, Volunteer,  Team Network,  Anchorage; Kevin                                                                    
Anselm,  Director,   Division  of  Banking,   Department  of                                                                    
Commerce,  Community  and Economic  Development,  Anchorage;                                                                    
Lorri  Unumb,  Executive   Director,  Autism  Speaks,  South                                                                    
Carolina;  Rebeka Edge,  Director,  Behavior Matters,  Eagle                                                                    
River;   Teri  Keklak,   Division   of  Behavioral   Health,                                                                    
Department  of Health  and Social  Services; Deb  Etheridge,                                                                    
Medical  Assistant,   Division  of  Health   Care  Services,                                                                    
Department of Health and Social Services.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 48     PERS CONTRIBUTIONS BY MUNICIPALITIES                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
          SB 48 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SB 220    PERS/TRS STATE CONTRIBUTIONS                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          SB 220 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 116(L&C)                                                                                                                   
          PERS CREDIT FOR MILITARY SERVICE                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 116(L&C) was REPORTED out of committee with                                                                      
          a "do pass" recommendation and with previously                                                                        
          published zero fiscal note: FN1(ADM).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 160(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          LICENSING OF ATHLETIC TRAINERS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 160(FIN) was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                     
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 278(FIN)am                                                                                                                 
          EDUCATION                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 278(FIN)am was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB 308    ALASKA SECURITIES ACT EXEMPTIONS                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
          HB 308 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 361    LICENSING OF BEHAVIOR ANALYSTS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          HB 361 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 379(FIN)                                                                                                                   
          OIL & GAS PROPERTY TAX                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 379(FIN) was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                     
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HB 385    PERS/TRS STATE CONTRIBUTIONS                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          HB 385 was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 379(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the limitation on the value of                                                                         
     property taxable by a municipality; and providing for                                                                      
     an effective date."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:39:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson pointed  out that the legislation  was the top                                                                    
priority for  the North  Slope Borough.  He shared  that the                                                                    
industry did  not have  a problem with  the bill,  and there                                                                    
was no loss of revenue to the state.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BENJAMIN NAGEAK, stated  that he was there to                                                                    
answer  any questions  on  the bill.  He  stressed that  his                                                                    
constituents  had   been  waiting   a  long  time   for  the                                                                    
legislation. He felt  that the bill was  a workable solution                                                                    
to the issue.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson wondered  how Representative  Nageak, as  the                                                                    
former  mayor of  the North  Slope Borough,  saw the  budget                                                                    
advantages.   Representative   Nageak   replied   that   the                                                                    
legislation  would   be  very   helpful  to   the  borough's                                                                    
operating budget. He remarked  that infrastructure was built                                                                    
when  the borough  was established,  and  stressed that  the                                                                    
legislation  would provide  the  proper  maintenance to  the                                                                    
infrastructure.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  surmised that the legislation  would provide                                                                    
the North Slope Borough more  flexibility for use of capital                                                                    
and operating funds. He queried the borough's current mil-                                                                      
rate. Representative  Nageak replied  that the  current mil-                                                                    
rate was 18.5. He stated that  the borough only had one year                                                                    
of a higher, 19.5 mil-rate.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  wondered if there  was a proposal  to change                                                                    
the mil-rate.  Representative Nageak replied that  there was                                                                    
no proposal  to change  the mil-rate.  He stressed  that the                                                                    
legislation was  intended to allow some  flexibility of fund                                                                    
usage.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  understood that there  was no  difference in                                                                    
the amount that the state  received from oil proceeds or any                                                                    
difference  in  the  amount that  the  oil  companies  paid.                                                                    
Representative Nageak agreed with that summation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:45:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANGELA RODELL,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE, shared                                                                    
that the Department  of Revenue (DOR) worked  to ensure that                                                                    
the   bill  was   revenue  neutral.   She  recognized   that                                                                    
municipalities  throughout the  state  who had  oil and  gas                                                                    
property  may  need  flexibility  to  differentiate  between                                                                    
their  operating  and  debt  service.   She  felt  that  the                                                                    
legislation provided the  opportunity for the municipalities                                                                    
to  address  that  issue,   without  impacting  the  state's                                                                    
financial  picture,  nor  increase   the  taxes  within  the                                                                    
communities.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  wondered  if  the  bill  would  impact  the                                                                    
neighboring  cities. Commissioner  Rodell  replied that  the                                                                    
bill  would  affect  any  community that  had  oil  and  gas                                                                    
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer asked if the  Kenai and Soldotna was included                                                                    
in  the legislation.  Commissioner  Rodell  deferred to  Mr.                                                                    
Fonder.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Olson  wondered   if   the   communities  in   the                                                                    
unorganized boroughs  would be affected by  the legislation.                                                                    
Commissioner Rodell deferred to Mr. Fonder.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MATT FONDER,  DIRECTOR, TAX DIVISION, DEPARTMENT  OF REVENUE                                                                    
(via teleconference), looked  at page 48 of  the DOR Revenue                                                                    
Sources  Book, and  announced that  there was  a table  that                                                                    
indicated the breakdown of property  taxes and how they were                                                                    
shared. He  stated that the  chart indicated that  the Kenai                                                                    
had oil and  gas property. The tax was $19.8  million in the                                                                    
year prior was  $19.8 million, and the local  share was $9.7                                                                    
million,  so the  state received  $10.1 million  in property                                                                    
taxes on the  oil and gas property in Kenai.  He stated that                                                                    
the unorganized  boroughs did not assess  property taxes, so                                                                    
the local  share on  the unorganized line  of the  chart was                                                                    
zero.  The  tax  on  oil and  gas  property  in  unorganized                                                                    
boroughs was  $58.9 million, and  was wholly  contributed to                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  surmised  that  the state  would  not  be                                                                    
financially  impacted   by  the   legislation.  Commissioner                                                                    
Rodell replied in the affirmative,  if the locals kept their                                                                    
property taxes the same.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  asked if there  would be an impact  to the                                                                    
state  if  the  boroughs   made  changes  to  their  current                                                                    
property  taxes.  Commissioner  Rodell  replied  that  there                                                                    
could be  an impact to  the state, because that  was written                                                                    
in statute.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  wondered if  the legislation  would change                                                                    
the borough's status  negatively or positively. Commissioner                                                                    
Rodell  responded   that  it   was  possible   that  certain                                                                    
communities could  receive a positive  impact, if  they have                                                                    
very low tax rates. She  stated that any municipalities that                                                                    
was at the 20 mil rate would not see any change.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  surmised that  Valdez would not  be harmed                                                                    
by the legislation. Commissioner Rodell agreed.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  asked if  the Fairbanks  Northstar Borough                                                                    
would be  affected by  the legislation.  Commissioner Rodell                                                                    
responded  that the  borough  should not  be  harmed by  the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:51:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered why the law  was initially enacted                                                                    
for  9.08  mil-rate  for  the   operating  budget,  and  the                                                                    
difference  for the  capital  budget.   Commissioner  Rodell                                                                    
asked for clarification.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman wondered why the  current statute was set at                                                                    
9.08  mil-rate.  Commissioner   Rodell  responded  that  she                                                                    
understood  that the  9.08  mil-rate was  set  by the  local                                                                    
communities.  The  state had  a  statute  that directed  all                                                                    
localities, whether  or not there  was oil and  gas property                                                                    
tax, at  a rate of 30  mils. She stated that  the number was                                                                    
adjusted through the multiplier  factor into a corresponding                                                                    
mil-rate. The  North Slope Borough  had a 9.08  mil-rate for                                                                    
the operating budget.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman looked at the  third paragraph of a document                                                                    
provided by  the sponsor, which stated  that the restriction                                                                    
applied  to the  18.5  rate. The  current  law required  the                                                                    
municipalities to spend $9.8 million  on operating costs and                                                                    
$9.45 million capital costs. He  queried the reason for that                                                                    
restriction.   Commissioner   Rodell    replied   that   the                                                                    
multiplier put a cap on oil  and gas property was because of                                                                    
an issue of  fairness and equity. The state had  a desire to                                                                    
help  some  communities  that  did  not  have  oil  and  gas                                                                    
property.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  pointed  out   that  the  sponsor  statement                                                                    
clearly  pointed out  the restrictions  of  the tax  revenue                                                                    
usage.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ROB   ELKINS,   DEPUTY   DIRECTOR,  NORTH   SLOPE   BOROUGH,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE, stated  that the committee  was dealing  with the                                                                    
mil-rate for  the current operating  year. The  mil-rate was                                                                    
determined through  the calculation,  which was  a statewide                                                                    
per capita value multiplied by  the 225 percent currently in                                                                    
statute.  It  was  then  multiplied   by  the  total  number                                                                    
residents,  to  arrive  at  an   equivalent  tax  base.  The                                                                    
equivalent tax base  was then multiplied by  the 30 mil-rate                                                                    
cap.  He  stated that  the  calculation  provided a  maximum                                                                    
dollar amount that could be  spent on operations. The amount                                                                    
was  then  converted into  a  mil-rate  based on  the  total                                                                    
assessed value. He  stated that the North  Slope Borough had                                                                    
continued to limit itself with the 18.5 mil rate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson   wondered  why  the  original   formula  was                                                                    
established, which used so much  money for debt service. Mr.                                                                    
Elkins  responded that  he understood  that the  statute was                                                                    
put in place in order to  achieve equity. It would limit the                                                                    
borough's ability to sell debt.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer asked why the  fiscal note was indeterminate.                                                                    
Commissioner  Rodell  replied  that   the  fiscal  note  was                                                                    
indeterminate.  The  fiscal  note   would  be  zero  if  the                                                                    
communities  continue to  operate  as  they were  currently.                                                                    
There could  be positive  adjustments to  the state,  if the                                                                    
communities lowered their mil-rate  to take advantage of the                                                                    
greater operating  flexibility. Adversely, if  the community                                                                    
raises their  mil-rate, it  will have  a negative  impact to                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:59:40 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:01:53 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough announced that  she would like to hear                                                                    
testimony  on  the  legislation from  the  State  Assessor's                                                                    
Office.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 379(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer handed the gavel to Co-Chair Kelly.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:03:07 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:16:47 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 220                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to additional state  contributions to                                                                    
     the teachers'  defined benefit retirement plan  and the                                                                    
     public employees' defined  benefit retirement plan; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:17:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID   TEAL,   DIRECTOR,  LEGISLATIVE   FINANCE   DIVISION,                                                                    
discussed  some  slides dated  4/16/14  (copy  on file).  He                                                                    
stated  that  there  was  a   presentation  of  the  Teacher                                                                    
Retirement System (TRS)  on the previous day,  but there was                                                                    
some  additional information  received in  the meantime.  He                                                                    
drafted a  graph based on  some of the information  from the                                                                    
actuaries. He stated that the  chart was very similar to the                                                                    
graph that was  presented on the previous day.  He looked at                                                                    
the slide titled, "Cumulative Costs  of Options to Eliminate                                                                    
PERS  and TRS  Unfunded Liability  ($ millions)".  He stated                                                                    
that the graph  was a combination of TRS and  PERS. He noted                                                                    
that  the base  case showed  the  lowest cost  in the  early                                                                    
years  and  the  highest  total cost.  The  dark  blue  line                                                                    
represented  the  governor's  proposal, which  deposited  $3                                                                    
billion total  cash infusion, and  ended up costing  less in                                                                    
the long run. He stated  that the graph showed two scenarios                                                                    
for PERS.  He stressed that  the graph would be  too muddied                                                                    
if he  addressed level-dollar and level-percent  for each of                                                                    
the options.  He remarked that  the graph was only  a sample                                                                    
of an  outcome. He  shared that a  $4 billion  cash infusion                                                                    
would be expensive initially, but  would become the cheapest                                                                    
over time.  He stated  that a $3  billion cash  infusion, as                                                                    
requested  by the  governor, but  went  to level-percent  of                                                                    
pay-amortization, it would be cheaper  than the base case by                                                                    
approximately  $500 million  per year.  He stressed  that it                                                                    
would pass the level dollar,  and would end up slightly more                                                                    
expensive than a $4 billion  cash infusion. He remarked that                                                                    
there  was  always  an  opportunity  to  increase  the  cash                                                                    
infusion,  or make  other changes  to the  system. He  noted                                                                    
that  the lines  in  the  future were  far  from a  reliable                                                                    
prediction or projection.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal  looked  at  the   slide  titled,  "PERS  and  TRS                                                                    
Combined."  He   stated  that  the  slide   represented  the                                                                    
previous graph, but in number-form.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Teal highlighted the slide  titled, "Cumulative Costs of                                                                    
Options to Eliminate PERS  Unfunded Liability ($ millions)."                                                                    
He  stated that  the  graph showed  some  changes that  were                                                                    
caused  by  the  differential  between  the  rate  that  was                                                                    
charged to employers,  which was 12.56 percent  in PERS, but                                                                    
the normal cost  was 12 percent. He stressed  that there was                                                                    
very little  difference between  the full-employer  rate and                                                                    
the normal cost of the program.  He stated that the rate cap                                                                    
in   TRS  was   22  percent,   and  the   normal  cost   was                                                                    
approximately   10  percent,   so   there   was  a   drastic                                                                    
difference.  He stated  that there  was  more money  flowing                                                                    
from  employers,  as  the  defined  benefit  employees  were                                                                    
replaced  with  defined  contribution employees.  He  stated                                                                    
that a  $3 billion cash  infusion into PERS would  mean that                                                                    
the debt would  be paid off in five years.  He felt that the                                                                    
option  may not  be wise,  because the  rates would  drop to                                                                    
zero.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Teal looked  at the  slide titled,  "PERS options."  He                                                                    
stated  that the  numbers showed  the same  outcomes as  the                                                                    
graphs.  He  felt  like the  numbers  showed  an  unreliable                                                                    
degree  of   accuracy.  He  felt  that   the  graphs  helped                                                                    
determine the overall spread between the different options.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SB  220  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:24:18 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:30:37 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 308                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the exemptions under the Alaska                                                                        
     Securities Act and to securities issued by Native                                                                          
    corporations; and providing for an effective date."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:31:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LINDSEY HOLMES,  explained the  legislation.                                                                    
She stated  that HB 308  removed the  reporting requirements                                                                    
and fees  for three  types of exempt  security transactions:                                                                    
sales  by an  issuer  to not  more than  10  persons in  the                                                                    
state; sales  by an issuer  to not  more than 25  persons in                                                                    
the  state; an  offer to  existing security  holders of  the                                                                    
issuer.  Under   current  law,  if  the   security  issuance                                                                    
qualifies   as    exempt   from   registration    under   AS                                                                    
45.55.900(b), issuers  are currently still required  to file                                                                    
a  form  and  pay  a  fee to  the  Department  of  Commerce,                                                                    
Community and Economic Development  (DCCED). She stated that                                                                    
DCCED collected the information  and reviewed it, however it                                                                    
did not  appear to add any  protections to the state  or the                                                                    
investors.  Often  small  business owners  hire  lawyers  to                                                                    
navigate the  form which  caused expense  and can  slow down                                                                    
the process. While removing  the reporting requirements, the                                                                    
bill still  required the business issuing  the securities to                                                                    
provide  required  information  to investors  in  compliance                                                                    
with the Securities Act so  that they could make an informed                                                                    
investing  decision.  The  bill   kept  the  act's  consumer                                                                    
protection language intact and  did not inhibit the Division                                                                    
of Banking  and Securities from investigating  violations or                                                                    
the investor  seeking damages through the  court system. The                                                                    
bill also  changed the  amount of time  DCCED had  to review                                                                    
rescission offers  from only  two days to  ten days  and had                                                                    
several  conforming  language   changes.  The  bill  further                                                                    
sought to  clarify that  stock issued  by the  Alaska Native                                                                    
Claims  Settlement   Act  (ANCSA)  corporations   to  Alaska                                                                    
Natives born  after December  18, 1971  or issued  after the                                                                    
original stock offering in compliance  with federal law were                                                                    
exempt from  registering under AS  45.55.070. This  clean up                                                                    
responded to a  report done by the  United States Government                                                                    
Accountability  Office   that  was  concerned   that  Alaska                                                                    
statutes were  not treating  newly issued  ANCSA corporation                                                                    
stocks the same as the initial offering.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ALLAN  JOHNSTON,  VOLUNTEER,  TEAM NETWORK,  ANCHORAGE  (via                                                                    
teleconference),  testified in  support of  the legislation.                                                                    
He stated  that he had volunteered  in various organizations                                                                    
in  Anchorage and  across Alaska.  He had  worked to  create                                                                    
"Angel Funds"  from the federal  government, which  would be                                                                    
matched by  the private sector.  He stated that  the Banking                                                                    
and  Securities  Division  had  done  a  remarkable  job  in                                                                    
assisting in education, because  many people were unfamiliar                                                                    
with securities laws. He stated  that Alaska was 50th in the                                                                    
country for its capital, and  third in median family income.                                                                    
He stressed that the gap  would be closed by encouraging the                                                                    
residents to invest locally and create local businesses.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:36:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN ANSELM,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF BANKING,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY  AND  ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT,  ANCHORAGE                                                                    
(via  teleconference), introduced  herself.  She offered  to                                                                    
outline  the  legislation,   but  felt  that  Representative                                                                    
Holmes had summarized the bill accurately.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  asked if  DCCED  had  any comments  on  the                                                                    
legislation. Ms. Anselm replied  that there was a PowerPoint                                                                    
presentation in  the packet,  which was  an overview  of the                                                                    
securities  requirement.  She  stated that  the  legislation                                                                    
eliminated the  paperwork and filing  fees with  the Banking                                                                    
and  Securities Division  for the  small  offerings and  for                                                                    
offerings  to existing  securities holders.  She added  that                                                                    
there  were two  clean-up items  were related  to rescission                                                                    
offers allowing  the division  more time  to ensure  that it                                                                    
met its consumer protection requirements.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB  308  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 361                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to licensing of behavior analysts."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:40:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAN SADDLER,  explained the  legislation. He                                                                    
stated that Autism was a  significant and growing problem in                                                                    
Alaska.  Statistics show  that one  in 110  Alaska children,                                                                    
about   1  percent,   are  born   with  this   developmental                                                                    
disability,  characterized   by  a  diminished   ability  to                                                                    
communicate,  social isolation,  and  other symptoms.  While                                                                    
not  curable,   autism  was  treatable.   Scientific,  peer-                                                                    
reviewed studies show that early  intensive treatment in the                                                                    
form of  Applied Behavioral Analysis (ABA)  offered the best                                                                    
opportunity  to  help  people   with  autism  improve  their                                                                    
ability to function productively  in society. He stated that                                                                    
ABA was recognized as the  basis for the most effective form                                                                    
of treatment  for autism  by the  U.S. Surgeon  General, the                                                                    
National  Institute  of  Child   Health,  and  the  American                                                                    
Academy  of  Pediatrics.  One can  best  understand  ABA  as                                                                    
behavior  modification  therapy:   It  sought  to  encourage                                                                    
appropriate   behavior  by   assessing   and  managing   the                                                                    
relationship  between   the  environment  and   the  desired                                                                    
behavior. Forty  years of research  showed that  nearly half                                                                    
of  people   with  autism   who  received   intensive  early                                                                    
intervention   and  treatment   did  not   require  lifelong                                                                    
services  and   support,  and  half  could   achieve  normal                                                                    
functioning  after two  to three  years. This  could mean  a                                                                    
lifetime savings  of $200,000 to  $1.1 million for  a person                                                                    
through the age  of 55-years-old. One of  the most important                                                                    
elements  in  successful  autism   treatment  is  having  it                                                                    
provided  by  those  who   hold  the  nationally  recognized                                                                    
credential of Board-Certified  Behavioral Analyst (BCBA). To                                                                    
qualify  as a  BCBA, applicants  must  have a  minimum of  a                                                                    
master's  degree,  plus  extensive training  and  experience                                                                    
requirements of up  to 1500 hours of  supervised practice in                                                                    
the field, 225 hours of  graduate-level classroom work, or a                                                                    
year's  experience teaching  ABA  at  the university  level.                                                                    
They  must  also  pass the  challenging  BCBA  certification                                                                    
examination.   The   Board-Certified  Assistant   Behavioral                                                                    
Analyst,  or  BCABA   credential,  required  slightly  lower                                                                    
standards.  The  state  already supported  the  training  of                                                                    
BCBAs through a grant to  eh Center for Human Development at                                                                    
UAA. There were  currently approximately 20 to  30 BCBAs and                                                                    
BCABAs in Alaska,  although not all of  those were currently                                                                    
working  in the  field.  Under current  state law,  Alaskans                                                                    
with  BCBAs could  not bill  health  insurance companies  or                                                                    
Medicaid for their  services at a rate  that reflected their                                                                    
high  degree  of  training and  professional  skill  because                                                                    
there were not  formally licensed. He announced  that BY 361                                                                    
addressed that situation by providing  for those holding the                                                                    
BCBA or  BCABA credentials in  Alaska to be licensed  by the                                                                    
Division  of  Professional  Licensing,   in  the  DCCED.  He                                                                    
announced that 14 other  states currently provided licensing                                                                    
and  regulated  behavior  analysts.  The  approach  had  the                                                                    
strong  support  of Alaska  BCBAs  and  the national  autism                                                                    
advocacy groups. By ensuring  licensing and higher standards                                                                    
of  practice for  BCBAs  and  BCABAs, HB  361  would do  the                                                                    
following: encourage more people  to provide autism services                                                                    
in   Alaska;   offer    higher   reimbursement   rates   for                                                                    
professional providers,  provide better outcomes  for Alaska                                                                    
children with autism;  save the state money  by avoiding the                                                                    
need for costly institutional  care; and improve the quality                                                                    
of life for hundreds of Alaskans and their families.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LORRI  UNUMB,  EXECUTIVE   DIRECTOR,  AUTISM  SPEAKS,  SOUTH                                                                    
CAROLINA  (via  teleconference),  spoke in  support  of  the                                                                    
legislation.  She stated  that she  was involved  in various                                                                    
autism advocacy groups. She felt  that the bill took in many                                                                    
considerations including  people who were moving  from other                                                                    
states to practice behavior analysis.  She remarked that the                                                                    
bill outlined some  exemptions for people who  need not have                                                                    
a license, such as a family  member of a person with autism.                                                                    
She  stated  that the  legislation  relied  on the  existing                                                                    
national  board  certification,  which was  the  appropriate                                                                    
structure for a  licensing bill. She announced  that she had                                                                    
worked   on  various   state's   legislation  that   created                                                                    
licensure for behavior analysts.  She stated that there were                                                                    
currently  15 state  that  licensed  behavior analysts,  and                                                                    
Tennessee  had  just  passed a  behavior  analyst  licensing                                                                    
bill, so there  were almost 16 states  that license behavior                                                                    
analysts.  She  remarked   that  the  legislation  contained                                                                    
disciplinary   mechanisms   to  ensure   adequate   consumer                                                                    
protection  and created  a temporary  license for  those who                                                                    
had already been practicing within the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:47:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REBEKA EDGE,  DIRECTOR, BEHAVIOR  MATTERS, EAGLE  RIVER (via                                                                    
teleconference),  testified in  support of  the legislation.                                                                    
She announced  that she  was a parent  of two  children with                                                                    
autism.  She stated  that  in her  position  as director  of                                                                    
Behavior Matters, she had a  staff of 24 that served clients                                                                    
Anchorage, Mat-Su,  Talkeetna, Kenai,  and Juneau.  She felt                                                                    
that the  legislation would allow  her business  to continue                                                                    
to  work  with  their  current  families  while  provided  a                                                                    
professional weight that was  consistent with their training                                                                    
and expertise.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer wondered  if the bill would  pertain to other                                                                    
behavioral issues other  than autism. Representative Saddler                                                                    
replied  that that  the legislation  would pertain  to other                                                                    
behavioral issues. He stated that  the principles of applied                                                                    
behavioral  analysis  have  applicability  to  dealing  with                                                                    
various  development disabilities  like children  with fetal                                                                    
alcohol spectrum disorder (FASD).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  wondered  how  many  people  would  seek  a                                                                    
license  in  behavioral   analysis.  Representative  Saddler                                                                    
replied that  there were approximately 25  people that would                                                                    
seek a license, but agreed to provide further information.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer asked if other  states had a similar program.                                                                    
Representative   Saddler  responded   that  16   states  had                                                                    
instituted behavioral analysis licenses.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SARA  CHAMBERS,  DIRECTOR,   CORPORATIONS,  BUSINESSES,  AND                                                                    
PROFESSIONAL  LICENSING, DEPARTMENT  OF COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY                                                                    
AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, introduced herself.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer wondered  if she  had  drafted the  attached                                                                    
fiscal note.  Ms. Chambers  replied that  she did  not draft                                                                    
the fiscal note, but she was familiar with it.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Meyer  remarked   that   the   fiscal  note   was                                                                    
indeterminate.  He  looked  at the  third  paragraph  fiscal                                                                    
analysis, and saw  that the financial impact  to health care                                                                    
and  Medicaid services  could be  significant. He  asked for                                                                    
further explanation  regarding that statement.  Ms. Chambers                                                                    
responded that the  fiscal note that he  was referencing was                                                                    
from the  Department of Health  and Social  Services (DHSS).                                                                    
She stated that DCCED supplied a fiscal impact note.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:52:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough stated  that  there was  an issue  of                                                                    
recovering the  fees for licensing  in Alaska.  She remarked                                                                    
that the  fiscal note was  very low from DCCED.  She queried                                                                    
the  fee estimate.  Ms. Chambers  responded that  the fiscal                                                                    
note reflected the additional  appropriation that was needed                                                                    
to implement the  program, and it was not the  total cost of                                                                    
the program.  She announced that  she had been  working with                                                                    
the  bill sponsor  to  provide  additional information  that                                                                    
would be  an estimate of anticipated  additional costs based                                                                    
on  similarly  situated programs.  She  stated  that it  was                                                                    
determined  that the  additional cost  plus the  fiscal note                                                                    
could result  in a  license that would  cost around  $500 to                                                                    
$600 per license.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough stressed that  Alaska had faced issues                                                                    
of  investigation,  as   far  as  the  boards   to  use  the                                                                    
information  that  DCCED  provided   to  manage  the  funds.                                                                    
Representative  Saddler  replied  that   the  fee  would  be                                                                    
significantly lower  after the first year.  He observed that                                                                    
it would be small number  of licensees, so the likelihood of                                                                    
investigation would be substantially low.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  stressed that  there was a  flat rate                                                                    
of   how  the   departments  spread   cost  over   licenses.                                                                    
Representative  Saddler  agreed  that  he  would  not  argue                                                                    
statistics.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TERI KEKLAK,  DIVISION OF  BEHAVIORAL HEALTH,  DEPARTMENT OF                                                                    
HEALTH  AND  SOCIAL  SERVICES (via  teleconference),  stated                                                                    
that the Division  of Health Care Services  created the DHSS                                                                    
fiscal   note.  She   stated  that   the  fiscal   note  was                                                                    
indeterminate  because   until  licensure  occurs,   it  was                                                                    
difficult  for the  department to  estimate the  utilization                                                                    
that  might occur.  She stated  that DHSS  required approval                                                                    
that  the   coverage  would  be  paid   to  the  independent                                                                    
practitioners under benefits. She  stated that the licensees                                                                    
were  not  currently  listed  in  the  Medicaid  statute  as                                                                    
independent practitioners.  She stated  that there  would be                                                                    
some  analysis of  the medical  necessity, utilization,  and                                                                    
determine services.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:57:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough looked  at page 2 of  the fiscal note,                                                                    
and saw  that it indicated 1838  under the age of  21 with a                                                                    
diagnosis of autism. She queried  an estimate of the cost of                                                                    
one person receiving services. Ms.  Keklak replied that DHSS                                                                    
could  not currently  estimate that  cost.  She stated  that                                                                    
there needed to be a  determination of the specific services                                                                    
that would be covered.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  understood  that there  was  a  wide                                                                    
range of  services, so  she asked for  an estimate  range of                                                                    
the cost of services. Ms.  Keklak replied that she could not                                                                    
address a range of costs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DEB ETHERIDGE,  MEDICAL ASSISTANT,  DIVISION OF  HEALTH CARE                                                                    
SERVICES,  DEPARTMENT OF  HEALTH  AND  SOCIAL SERVICES  (via                                                                    
teleconference),  responded to  a  question from  Vice-Chair                                                                    
Fairclough. She  stated that the persons  who were diagnosed                                                                    
with autism  would undergo an initial  assessment that would                                                                    
be  eligible for  and need  service. She  remarked that,  in                                                                    
comparison  to other  states, the  assessment cost  would be                                                                    
around  $175.  If  it  was estimated  that  100  percent  of                                                                    
persons under the age of 21  with a diagnosis of autism, the                                                                    
total health  assessment cost would be  around $320,000. She                                                                    
stated  that the  service cost  estimate would  require some                                                                    
eligibility determinations.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  361  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:02:12 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:09:24 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 160(FIN)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the licensing and regulation of                                                                        
     athletic trainers."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:10:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE STEVE  THOMPSON, stated that  the legislation                                                                    
would  amend current  statutes  to  establish licensing  and                                                                    
regulations of  athletic trainers.  He stated  that athletic                                                                    
trainers   were   multi-skilled,   midlevel   medical   care                                                                    
providers that  provided a unique combination  of injury and                                                                    
illness  treatment, rehabilitation,  and injury  prevention.                                                                    
Athletic  trainers  were  similar  to  nurse  practitioners,                                                                    
midwives, physician assistants,  neuropathic physicians, and                                                                    
physical  therapists.   He  stressed   that  all   of  those                                                                    
positions  were  licensed in  Alaska,  in  order to  provide                                                                    
immunity  for  health   care  providers.  Certification  was                                                                    
provided  through  the  National  Organization  of  National                                                                    
Athletic   Trainers   Association.   There   were   specific                                                                    
requirements before  certification was issued:  1) mandatory                                                                    
post-secondary degree;  2) formal instructions  in extensive                                                                    
basic  and   applied  sciences;  3)   specific  professional                                                                    
content; and  4) comprehensive national  examination through                                                                    
the Board of Certification Inc.  He stated that HB 160 would                                                                    
require people  using the title "Athletic  Trainer" who were                                                                    
working cooperatively  under the supervision of  a doctor to                                                                    
be  licensed. Alaska  was one  of  two states  that did  not                                                                    
currently  license athletic  trainers. Athletic  trainers in                                                                    
Alaska asked  for the  legislation, because  they understood                                                                    
the need to be licensed in  order to be recognized as health                                                                    
care  providers. He  urged the  committee's  support of  the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough stated  that her  staff had  met with                                                                    
the  sponsor's staff  regarding  the  current language.  She                                                                    
felt that  the legislation may have  ramifications on school                                                                    
districts  and  other  athletic programs  for  children  and                                                                    
adults throughout  the state. She  wondered if that  was the                                                                    
intent of the  legislation. Representative Thompson deferred                                                                    
to Mr. Anderson.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BRODIE  ANDERSON,  STAFF,   REPRESENTATIVE  STEVE  THOMPSON,                                                                    
announced that he was working  with the committee co-chairs'                                                                    
staff to  draft a  committee substitute that  would directly                                                                    
address the  concerns of fitness  trainers and  coaches, and                                                                    
the relationship in an exemption.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  thanked a constituent who  had sent a                                                                    
solution to the issue via email.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if Mr.  Anderson was working  with his                                                                    
staff on  the committee substitute. Mr.  Anderson replied in                                                                    
the affirmative.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:14:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNNE  YOUNG, EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR, ALASKA  ATHLETIC TRAINERS                                                                    
ASSOCIATION,   JUNEAU,   testified   in   support   of   the                                                                    
legislation.  She  remarked   that  athletic  trainers  were                                                                    
highly   qualified,  educated,   and  multi-skilled   health                                                                    
professionals  who  collaborate  with  and  work  under  the                                                                    
supervision   of  physicians.   The  services   provided  by                                                                    
athletic  trainers consist  of  prevention, emergency  care,                                                                    
clinical    assessment,   therapeutic    intervention,   and                                                                    
rehabilitation   of   injuries   and   medical   conditions.                                                                    
Individuals who  want to become athletic  trainers must have                                                                    
a  bachelor's  degree  at an  accredited  athletic  training                                                                    
university. Once the individual  meets the requirement, they                                                                    
were eligible  to sit  for the  Board of  Certification Inc.                                                                    
exam. Upon completion  of the exam, the  individual would be                                                                    
a  certified  athletic  trainer.  Once  the  individual  was                                                                    
certified, they  must maintain  their credentials  by taking                                                                    
50  continuing education  units  (CEUs) every  two years  in                                                                    
addition to maintaining an emergency  cardiac care course at                                                                    
the  professional  rescuer level  or  above.  The CEUs  were                                                                    
approved by the Board of  Certification Inc., and ten of the                                                                    
CEUs needed to be evidence-based medical courses.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  wondered if the  CEUs could be  conducted in                                                                    
the  state.  Ms. Young  replied  that  there were  over  300                                                                    
accredited  universities to  become  athletic trainers,  but                                                                    
none of those  universities were in Alaska.  There were some                                                                    
online  courses  and  clinics in  the  state  that  provided                                                                    
access to CEUs.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:21:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  asked  if the  licensure  would  get                                                                    
different benefits  from insurance providers and  billing of                                                                    
hours.  Ms. Young  replied that  there was  current outreach                                                                    
through schools and universities,  but did not directly bill                                                                    
insurance  providers. She  furthered  that  there were  some                                                                    
athletic trainers that worked  with physicians in the clinic                                                                    
setting, and  if they were  used to assist the  provider was                                                                    
billed under  "Incident 2." She explained  that the specific                                                                    
in that bill was parallel  with medical assistants, etc. She                                                                    
stated  that  athletic  trainers  had  a  national  provider                                                                    
identifier  that allowed  them codes  regarding billing  for                                                                    
rehabilitation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  wondered if the law  to license would                                                                    
affect  the billable  hours. Ms.  Young  responded that  the                                                                    
licensure   would   be   recognized   as   a   health   care                                                                    
professional, but have no other association.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LEEANNE  CAROTHERS,   PRESIDENT,  ALASKA   PHYSICAL  THERAPY                                                                    
ASSOCIATION, JUNEAU, stated that  she supported licensure of                                                                    
health care providers for the  protection of the public, she                                                                    
announced some  concerns with  the bill.  She looked  at the                                                                    
use of  the word "rehabilitation"  in the proposed  scope of                                                                    
practice  and in  definitions  in  Sections 8.07.030(d)  and                                                                    
08.07.090(4).   She    felt   that    use   of    the   word                                                                    
"rehabilitation"  would  have  potential to  cause  consumer                                                                    
confusion.   She  stated   that  physical   therapists  were                                                                    
currently  considered the  most qualified  practitioners for                                                                    
rehabilitation.  She  suggested  the inclusion  of  language                                                                    
that specifically limited the  role of the athletic trainers                                                                    
to injuries sustained or  exacerbated while participating in                                                                    
a sport  or sports-related  activity, and/or  was designated                                                                    
for  the  purpose  of  returning  the  patient  to  athletic                                                                    
participation.  She also  expressed  concern of  the use  of                                                                    
language with  definitions as they  pertain to  illness. She                                                                    
urged  the inclusion  of language  that  clarified that  the                                                                    
treatment of  limited to  injuries or  conditions associated                                                                    
with   participation  in   sport.  There   were  significant                                                                    
differences  in  the  education and  training  for  athletic                                                                    
trainers  and physical  therapists. The  entry level  degree                                                                    
required for  athletic trainers was a  bachelor's degree and                                                                    
the  entry  level  degree  for  physical  therapists  was  a                                                                    
doctorate degree.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:26:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer felt that there  would be changes to the bill                                                                    
in a forthcoming committee substitute.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer looked at the  fiscal note, and remarked that                                                                    
the  fiscal  note may  not  cover  the  actual cost  of  the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough stated  that  the Legislation  Budget                                                                    
and Audit  (LB&A) had  created a  joint subcommittee  on the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 160(FIN)  was HEARD and  HELD in committee  for further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 116(L&C)                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating  to the  use  of  credited  military                                                                    
     service by  retired peace officers and  firefighters to                                                                    
     meet certain  requirements for major  medical insurance                                                                    
     coverage; and providing for an effective date."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:29:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHY  LEA, CHIEF  PENSION OFFICER,  DIVISION OF  RETIREMENT                                                                    
AND  BENEFITS,  DEPARTMENT   OF  ADMINISTRATION,  introduced                                                                    
herself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
VASILIOS GIALOPSOS,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  CHARISSE MILLET,                                                                    
explained  the  legislation.  He  announced  that  Honorably                                                                    
discharged  members of  our  nations'  military service  who                                                                    
come to work  for the State of Alaska  are currently allowed                                                                    
to  purchase  qualifying time  within  the  PERS system  for                                                                    
their  previous military  service. Under  current law,  this                                                                    
purchased  time may  not  be used  to  satisfy the  credited                                                                    
service requirements  for normal retirement.  This exemption                                                                    
precludes  persons  from  using   their  purchased  time  to                                                                    
qualify  for health  care  benefits. He  state  that HB  116                                                                    
proposes that  peace officers or firefighters  be allowed to                                                                    
use the  time they  purchase for normal  retirement. Already                                                                    
these  brave individuals  have  served  their country.  They                                                                    
have then made  a career providing public  safety and rescue                                                                    
in  one of  the most  hazardous working  environments to  be                                                                    
found.  Their service  to others,  by placing  themselves in                                                                    
harm's way  on a  continuous basis, merits  consideration in                                                                    
the development  of Alaska's retirement and  benefit system.                                                                    
He  announced  that  HB  116  makes  a  minor,  and  tightly                                                                    
tailored,  modification to  our retirement  laws to  allow a                                                                    
person to use their purchased  service to qualify for normal                                                                    
retirement  benefits. The  intent of  HB 116  is that  peace                                                                    
officers or firefighters who choose  to purchase the service                                                                    
time  bear  the  cost  to  the  state  that  the  additional                                                                    
benefits  will create.  He  stated that  HB  116 creates  an                                                                    
appropriate recognition  of their  service to  their country                                                                    
and their  state by ensuring  the have a fair  retirement in                                                                    
their future.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  queried the  length of time  it takes                                                                    
for  a   firefighter  or  police  officer   to  qualify  for                                                                    
benefits.  Ms.   Lea  replied  that  a   police  officer  or                                                                    
firefighter could reach  eligibility for retirement benefits                                                                    
with 20 years  of service; but they needed to  have 25 years                                                                    
of service to have system-paid  medical coverage if they are                                                                    
in tiers 2 or 3.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  remarked that  there was  a disparity                                                                    
between what was  required to acquire a  pension and medical                                                                    
coverage in tiers  2 and 3. Ms. Lea agreed,  and stated that                                                                    
the  five  extra  years was  required  to  gain  system-paid                                                                    
premium health  care. She  stated that  there was  access to                                                                    
health care,  but they must  have five extra years  in order                                                                    
for the system to pay for the premiums.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough wondered  if  an honorable  discharge                                                                    
was recognized under military service.  Ms. Lea replied that                                                                    
the military service required an honorable discharge.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer   wondered  if  Vice-Chair   Fairclough  was                                                                    
concerned about "double dipping."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:33:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  stressed that  she was  attempting to                                                                    
determine  what  benefit would  be  achieved,  and what  the                                                                    
individual was currently receiving.  She stressed that there                                                                    
was a  25 percent buy back  over 20 years, and  a 25 percent                                                                    
buyback with  the 25 year  requirement. She  understood that                                                                    
there  was an  actuarially draw  for the  pension, but  felt                                                                    
that  there was  a possible  allowance for  double benefits.                                                                    
Ms. Lea  replied that she could  not speak to the  intent of                                                                    
the  legislation.   She  announced  that  there   were  some                                                                    
restrictions within  the system for claiming  benefits under                                                                    
the  military  category, if  one  was  already eligible  for                                                                    
retirement benefits  from one's  military service.  A person                                                                    
with 20 years  of military service that would  qualify for a                                                                    
federal benefit  could not  claim the  service if  they were                                                                    
tier 2  or 3. She  furthered that  she was unsure  about the                                                                    
health care benefits related to that issue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Gialopsos looked at AS 39.35.340(a):                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     A vested  employee is entitled to  credited service for                                                                    
     active  military service  in  the armed  forces of  the                                                                    
     United States,  either by  enlistment or  induction, if                                                                    
     the employee received a  discharge under conditions and                                                                    
     was not  entitled to  receive retirement  benefits from                                                                    
    the United States government for the same service.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson wondered what efforts  were being made for the                                                                    
tier  4 employees.  Mr.  Gialopsos  responded that,  because                                                                    
tier 4 was a defined  contribution system, the provisions of                                                                    
health care  after a person left  service were fundamentally                                                                    
different.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Lea  agreed with  Mr.  Gialopsos,  and furthered  that,                                                                    
under tier 4, there were no  provisions to claim any type of                                                                    
service in the plan. There  were no predications on years of                                                                    
service  to claim  service. A  tier 4  employee must  retire                                                                    
directly  from the  plan, must  have  at least  10 years  of                                                                    
service, and be Medicare  age eligible to receive retirement                                                                    
health coverage.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  stated that,  usually, when  a policy                                                                    
or  bill   was  considered,   the  reason  was   because  an                                                                    
individual  was adversely  affected. She  wondered if  there                                                                    
was   an  adversely   affected  individual   who  may   have                                                                    
influenced the  drafting of the bill.  Mr. Gialopsos replied                                                                    
that there were several  peace officers and firefighters who                                                                    
purchased their military time, under  the assumption that it                                                                    
would bring them full retirement.  He stated that there were                                                                    
several letters of support who  were looking to retire early                                                                    
that  would like  to purchase  their  medical time,  because                                                                    
they  recognized  that  they   were  a  liability  to  their                                                                    
colleagues because of their age.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:38:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough asked  if  the individual's  payments                                                                    
into the plan would count  toward their health benefits. Ms.                                                                    
Lea replied that those were  two different calculations. The                                                                    
calculation to  use military service to  increase the number                                                                    
of  years of  service to  increase their  retirement benefit                                                                    
was partially subsidized  by the employer, so it  was a flat                                                                    
percentage  of their  vesting year  salary. The  legislation                                                                    
outlined an additional  cost, if the member  wanted to claim                                                                    
it for pension purposes and health care services.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough wondered if  there would be a negative                                                                    
impact to  those that  were already  in the  system, because                                                                    
there  was a  change  to the  cost of  the  system. Ms.  Lea                                                                    
replied that  there would be  no impact on the  remainder of                                                                    
the  population in  the system,  because the  claimant would                                                                    
pay the full cost for the coverage.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough surmised  that the  calculations were                                                                    
based on a certain set of assumptions. Ms. Lea agreed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop queried the cost  of the full five years. Ms.                                                                    
Lea replied that the cost  would be approximately $60,000 to                                                                    
$70,000,  depending on  age,  circumstances,  and number  of                                                                    
years purchased.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered what other categories  under tiers                                                                    
2 and  3 could  be a  net zero. Ms.  Lea replied  that there                                                                    
were other types  of claim service that  were full actuarial                                                                    
costs. She  stated that purchasing  temporary service  to be                                                                    
used for retirement eligibility  already existed in statute.                                                                    
She stated that the legislation  was similar to the statute,                                                                    
and furthered that  there was a public  service benefit that                                                                    
was full actuarial cost.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman surmised  that all  other programs  already                                                                    
had  the option  to  purchase in  tiers 2  and  3 for  other                                                                    
categories  of  20  and  30   years  for  buyback.  Ms.  Lea                                                                    
responded  that  all  others   did  not  have  the  specific                                                                    
provision to purchase military time  to be used toward their                                                                    
30 year retirement.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  wondered why other positions  or categories                                                                    
of employment  were not offered  the option to  purchase the                                                                    
time for  a 30 year  retirement, if it  was a net  zero. Mr.                                                                    
Gialopsos replied that  it was the sponsor's  intent to look                                                                    
at a particular  segment within tiers 2 and 3,  who post the                                                                    
highest   risk  in   the  actuarial   pool.  He   could  not                                                                    
specifically address  the reasons why it  would not directly                                                                    
apply to the purchase of a 30 year retirement.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:44:48 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:46:11 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer CLOSED public testimony                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  MOVED to REPORT CSHB  116(L&C) out of                                                                    
committee   with   individual    recommendations   and   the                                                                    
accompanying fiscal  note. There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                    
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB  116(L&C) was  REPORTED  out of  committee  with a  "do                                                                    
pass"  recommendation  and  with previously  published  zero                                                                    
fiscal note: FN1(ADM).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:47:07 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:48:39 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer handed the gavel to Vice-Chair Fairclough.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 48                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  requiring each municipality with  a population                                                                    
     that  decreased by  more than  25 percent  between 2000                                                                    
     and 2010 that participates  in the defined benefit plan                                                                    
     of the  Public Employees'  Retirement System  of Alaska                                                                    
     to  contribute to  the system  an amount  calculated by                                                                    
     applying a rate of 22 percent  of the total of all base                                                                    
     salaries paid  by the municipality to  employees of the                                                                    
     municipality  who  are  active members  of  the  system                                                                    
     during a payroll period; reducing  the rate of interest                                                                    
     payable  by  a  municipality  with  a  population  that                                                                    
     decreased  by more  than 25  percent  between 2000  and                                                                    
     2010 that  is delinquent  in transmitting  employee and                                                                    
     employer contributions  to the defined benefit  plan of                                                                    
     the  Public  Employees'  Retirement System  of  Alaska;                                                                    
     giving   retrospective   effect  to   the   substantive                                                                    
     provisions of  the Act; and providing  for an effective                                                                    
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:48:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID SCOTT,  STAFF, SENATOR  DONNIE OLSON,  SB 48  seeks to                                                                    
provide  relief   to  those  communities  that   have  faced                                                                    
hardship due  to the PERS  "salary floor" established  in SB                                                                    
125 of the  25th Legislature. He stated that  SB 125 changed                                                                    
the PERS system  from a 'multiple employer plan'  to a 'cost                                                                    
share  plan'. That  is, SB  125  transferred the  individual                                                                    
liability of  the 160 PERS  employers and  consolidated that                                                                    
liability  so   that  all  the   employers  share   in  that                                                                    
liability.   He announced that  SB 125 also created  what is                                                                    
commonly referred  to as  the 2008 salary  floor.   That is,                                                                    
every PERS employer  will have a penalty imposed  on them if                                                                    
their  salary  base  is  below  that  of  2008.    This  was                                                                    
instituted to ensure  that the system could  not be "gamed".                                                                    
This  is to  keep  municipalities from  hiring  people on  a                                                                    
contract basis  and, therefore,  allowing the  base payments                                                                    
into the system from  shrinking. Many municipalities, due to                                                                    
circumstances  beyond their  control, have  found themselves                                                                    
under the 2008  floor for a number of years.   Most of these                                                                    
are very  small remote  communities.   Some of  the affected                                                                    
communities  are simply  trying  to lower  their budgets  by                                                                    
actively  laying-off  or  not re-hiring  due  to  attrition.                                                                    
Some communities lost  employees due to a base  closure or a                                                                    
regional clinic closure.    To further make the point, there                                                                    
is currently one community that  owes $420,000 at 12 percent                                                                    
interest.  He stressed  that SB  48 was  introduced to  help                                                                    
communities in  this situation.  He stated  that SB  48 will                                                                    
address  this issue  in  two  ways:   1)  Changes the  "2008                                                                    
floor"  to 2012  for  those communities  that  have lost  25                                                                    
percent of  their population between  2000 and 2010;  and 2)                                                                    
Provides relief to those communities  that are delinquent in                                                                    
transferring contribution  if their population  decreased by                                                                    
more  than 25  percent between  2000 and  2010. He  remarked                                                                    
that  SB 48  does  not  intend to  repeat  the "2008  floor"                                                                    
debate,  but  rather  provide relief  to  those  communities                                                                    
affected by the arbitrary line that SB 125 created.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough handed the gavel to Co-Chair Meyer.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:56:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson understood that the  communities were facing a                                                                    
financial burden that they would  never overcome. He queried                                                                    
the efforts  of various  communities who were  attempting to                                                                    
remedy this financial problem. Mr.  Scott replied that there                                                                    
were  some communities  that had  lost 25  percent of  their                                                                    
populations from 2000 to 2010,  like Pelican. He stated that                                                                    
Pelican,  Anderson, and  Atka did  not have  any outstanding                                                                    
delinquent  contributions. He  stressed  that  the only  two                                                                    
communities  that had  delinquent contributions  were Galena                                                                    
and St. George,  who had also lost populations  by more that                                                                    
25 percent between the two censuses.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  surmised that  the bill  asked the  state to                                                                    
cover  those communities'  share of  the PERS  contribution.                                                                    
Mr.  Scott replied  that the  legislation would  forgive the                                                                    
delinquent contribution  penalty and  cover the cost  of the                                                                    
contribution. He stressed  that the bill to  the PERS system                                                                    
would continue  to grow from  12 percent on  $690,000, which                                                                    
was up from the year prior at $420,000.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer wondered  if  there was  any  hope that  the                                                                    
communities  would be  able to  pay that  amount. Mr.  Scott                                                                    
replied that Galena  had taken a loan  interest loan through                                                                    
the bond  bank to  attempt to  cover their  community costs,                                                                    
while recovering  from a  flood. He  felt that  Galena would                                                                    
not be  able to  cover that cost,  because the  interest was                                                                    
making the debt grow rapidly.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  stressed  that   Galena  was  under  severe                                                                    
financial  stress  from   various  entities.  Senator  Olson                                                                    
agreed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:00:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL   BARNHILL,  DEPUTY   COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT   OF                                                                    
ADMINISTRATION,   stated  that   the   bill's  fiscal   note                                                                    
reflected  a   retroactive  effect.   He  stated   that  the                                                                    
communities  would see  a  benefit of  a  decreased rate  of                                                                    
interest  that  had  an  impact on  the  system,  which  was                                                                    
detailed in the fiscal note.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough pointed out  that the fiscal note from                                                                    
the Department  of Administration  (DOA) showed  $180,000 in                                                                    
FY 14; $176,000 in FY 15;  $167,000 in FY 16; $157,000 in FY                                                                    
17; $148,000 in  FY 18; $139,000 in FY 19.  She felt that it                                                                    
appeared that the contribution by  the state would decrease.                                                                    
She  looked at  the estimated  supplemental FY  13 costs  of                                                                    
$706,000. Mr.  Barnhill replied  that the  supplemental cost                                                                    
reflected the  impact of the  retroactivity of the  bill. He                                                                    
stressed that  the costs were  amounts that the  state would                                                                    
not  collect under  existing law,  if the  bill were  passed                                                                    
into law.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer   wondered  if  the  money   would  ever  be                                                                    
collected. Mr.  Barnhill responded that it  was difficult to                                                                    
speculate the  future for communities  like Galena,  but one                                                                    
could not  rule out that  perhaps Galena's fortune  may turn                                                                    
positive at some point.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  stressed  that Galena  recently  suffered  a                                                                    
flood, and some  people could not even move  back into their                                                                    
homes.  He  pointed  out  that  there  was  a  significantly                                                                    
decrease in  the general  population and  school membership.                                                                    
He reiterated that it was  very improbably that Galena would                                                                    
be able to afford to pay the debt.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough wondered how  the issue of fairness to                                                                    
the state  picking up the  costs of one municipality  on not                                                                    
that  of   another  municipality.  She  remarked   that  the                                                                    
Municipal League had asked the  legislature to eliminate the                                                                    
termination studies  for other  cities. She felt  that there                                                                    
was  a   problem  in   determining  what   communities  were                                                                    
considered "winners" and "losers."  She felt that there were                                                                    
many communities across the state  that were burdened by the                                                                    
2008  salaries  costs,  in  regards  to  contributions.  Mr.                                                                    
Barnhill  responded   that  he   was  not   diminishing  the                                                                    
substantial burdens  that Galena and other  communities were                                                                    
facing.  He  stressed  that  the  issue  was  statewide  for                                                                    
smaller  communities' ability  to sustain  participation and                                                                    
TRS on an ongoing basis.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:05:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough stressed  that the  issue of  pension                                                                    
liability  was a  burden  for everyone,  which  was why  the                                                                    
governor  had suggested  a cash  infusion.  She stated  that                                                                    
there   were   municipalities   that   had   discussed   the                                                                    
termination study.  She felt empathy, but  felt that solving                                                                    
the issue for  one community may be at a  disadvantage for a                                                                    
dozen other communities or the  entire system. The state was                                                                    
transitioning  from meeting  its obligations  to withdrawing                                                                    
reserves. She felt that the  bill was an entire year's worth                                                                    
of conversation to determine the  best method. She felt that                                                                    
it  was  reasonable  to  reduce   the  interest  rate,  when                                                                    
communities  were struggling.  She  wondered  how the  state                                                                    
would react,  if the city  failed to make the  payments. She                                                                    
specifically  wondered  if  those  employees  would  not  be                                                                    
entitled for  benefits. Mr. Barnhill replied  that, to date,                                                                    
the  process  was  to  send  notices  of  delinquency  on  a                                                                    
periodic basis.  The statute provided  DOA the  authority to                                                                    
intercept   municipal  revenue   sharing,   but  had   never                                                                    
exercised that  right. As the delinquency  list continued to                                                                    
grow,  the  state's  reticence to  exercise  that  intercept                                                                    
needed to be examined.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  wondered if the  employees would  not receive                                                                    
their   retirement  benefits,   if  there   were  delinquent                                                                    
payments.  Mr. Barnhill  responded that  the employees  were                                                                    
still participants  in the system,  and were  still entitled                                                                    
to their benefits.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  remarked that $420,000  for a  community of                                                                    
470 people, it would take  approximately 12 or more years of                                                                    
revenue  sharing  to  pay  that debt.  He  stated  that  the                                                                    
community  was probably  utilizing  the  revenue sharing  to                                                                    
keep  their  offices  open.  He  stated  that  most  of  the                                                                    
communities of 100 to 500  people used their revenue sharing                                                                    
to keep  their municipal  office in operation.  He furthered                                                                    
that, in 2010, there were 470  people in Galena, so a family                                                                    
of required to  pay in excess of $3500  dollars. He stressed                                                                    
that  Galena  was greatly  impacted,  much  more than  other                                                                    
small communities in the state.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:11:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer wondered if there  were any PERS employees in                                                                    
Galena. Mr. Barnhill replied that  there were PERS employees                                                                    
in Galena,  and deferred to  Mr. Scott for the  exact number                                                                    
of employees.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Scott  stated that  there  were  17 PERS  employees  in                                                                    
Galena.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer queried  the  economic  activity in  Galena.                                                                    
Senator   Hoffman  responded   that  the   current  economic                                                                    
activity was focused on home repair.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer stated  that the military base  in Galena had                                                                    
closed, with no effort toward reopening.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Scott  announced  that  Galena   had  17  current  PERS                                                                    
employees,  however  the  community's  contribution  to  the                                                                    
state was for 36 employees, which was the 2008 floor.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough surmised that  there would be 36 total                                                                    
employees that  would be retired  from the PERS  system. Mr.                                                                    
Scott  replied   that  the  36  employee   contribution  was                                                                    
considered the 2008 floor.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer stressed that it  was an important issue, and                                                                    
felt that it  would not be resolved in  the current session.                                                                    
He  hoped  that Mr.  Barnhill  could  assist in  a  solution                                                                    
during  the  interim.  Mr.  Barnhill  replied  that  he  was                                                                    
willing to explore solutions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough wondered  if the  25 percent  loss in                                                                    
the  census  was  an  accurate  measurement  to  assist  all                                                                    
Alaskan communities.  Mr. Barnhill replied that  there was a                                                                    
census  table  that  outlined population  loss  employer  by                                                                    
employer.  He stated  that  the table  would  show how  many                                                                    
participating employers were added  at the 25 percent level,                                                                    
20 percent level, and so forth.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Scott stated  that he  would provide  the graph  to the                                                                    
committee at a later date.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  whether the 25 percent  threshold was                                                                    
better  than   the  20   percent  threshold.   Mr.  Barnhill                                                                    
responded  that  he  was  not prepared  to  respond  to  the                                                                    
inquiry.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough  asked  if   there  was  a  different                                                                    
criteria that the Senate should  study. Mr. Barnhill replied                                                                    
that  there should  be an  examination of  a prospect  for a                                                                    
sustainable  revenue base  within the  community that  could                                                                    
support continued participation in  the system over the next                                                                    
ten or twenty years.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  noticed that Mr.  Barnhill had  stated that                                                                    
there  was  an  option   of  intercepting  Galena's  revenue                                                                    
checks. He  wondered if the  department would  withhold that                                                                    
particular implementation of the  law, until the legislature                                                                    
was  able  to address  the  issue  the following  year.  Mr.                                                                    
Barnhill  replied that  the state  needed  to reexamine  its                                                                    
reticence in  utilizing the  revenue intercept.  He stressed                                                                    
that he  would look  some solutions  that would  avoid using                                                                    
the revenue intercept.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SB  48  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 278(FIN) am                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act increasing the base  student allocation used in                                                                    
     the  formula for  state  funding  of public  education;                                                                    
     relating  to  the  exemption   from  jury  service  for                                                                    
     certain  teachers;  relating  to   the  powers  of  the                                                                    
     Department   of   Education  and   Early   Development;                                                                    
     relating to  high school  course credit  earned through                                                                    
     assessment;  relating  to school  performance  reports;                                                                    
     relating to  assessments; establishing a  public school                                                                    
     and  school   district  grading  system;   relating  to                                                                    
     charter  schools and  student transportation;  relating                                                                    
     to residential school  applications; relating to tenure                                                                    
     of  public school  teachers;  relating to  unemployment                                                                    
     contributions for  the Alaska technical  and vocational                                                                    
     education  program;  relating  to earning  high  school                                                                    
     credit for  completion of vocational  education courses                                                                    
     offered   by  institutions   receiving  technical   and                                                                    
     vocational  education  program   funding;  relating  to                                                                    
     schools  operated by  a federal  agency; relating  to a                                                                    
     grant for  school districts; relating to  education tax                                                                    
     credits;   establishing  an   optional  municipal   tax                                                                    
     exemption for  privately owned real property  rented or                                                                    
     leased  for  use as  a  charter  school; requiring  the                                                                    
     Department of Administration to  provide a proposal for                                                                    
     a salary  and benefits  schedule for  school districts;                                                                    
     making  conforming  amendments;  and providing  for  an                                                                    
     effective date."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 278(FIN)am was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 385                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to additional state  contributions to                                                                    
     the teachers'  defined benefit retirement plan  and the                                                                    
     public employees' defined  benefit retirement plan; and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HB 385 was SCHEDULED but not HEARD.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
4:18:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 4:18 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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HB278 Increase the BSA - Glenn.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 BSA - Johnson.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 FCC Scool and Libray Policy Brief.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 FCC changes to Universal Service Reform for the e-rate program - FCC-13-100A1.docx SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Fully fund our schools - please - Burch.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 A thru F grading of schools -- Keep it! - Boyle.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 AASA Testimony.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 A-F Grading provision in HB 278 - Griffin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 A thru F grading of schools -- Keep it! - Boyle2.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 school funding plea! - Reed.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Public Schools - Norton.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Increase BSA please - Engh.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please increase the BSA and avoid more layoffs! - Shellenbaum.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Increase the BSA - Zafren.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 INCREASE BSA - Decker.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please Support our Educational Discourse Fund our Schools - Waisanen.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Raise the BSA $600 effective FY15. Show us the money. - Bronson.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Base student allocation - Retus.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Education Funding - Raise BSA - Buss.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Funding public education - Wiggin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Support Alaska's Students - Bivins.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 School Funding - Gal.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 School Funding - Cramer.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Education matters! - Harmon.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please support our public schools! - Perrins.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 school funding - Kushin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Student Base Allocation and Susitna Dam - Pierce.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please help the Alaska kids - Cedano.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please prioritize education for all Alaskans - Manning.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Fully fund schools - Richotte.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please increase the BSA by $400 AND $125 for the next 2 years - Boots.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please support our Alaska schools - Nash.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 BSA Adjustment - Sparrow.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Education funding - Meidinger.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 District School Deficit in Delta Junction - Becker.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB 385-Funding Public Testimony - Dean.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 My kids can't wait. They are in school now! - Rardin.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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Hb278 BSA - Schafer - Mozen.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Request for Funding - Fischer.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please support increased education funding - Crimp.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 A rural perspective about our funding challenges - Walsh.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Request for Funding - Fischer.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 A rural perspective about our funding challenges - Walsh.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please support increased education funding - Crimp.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Senate Finance Committee - Brown.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 AFN BSA resolution.pdf SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Increase the Base Student Allocation - Spohnholz.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Public Testimony - Rutherford.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Our Students Our Future - Story.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Juneau Board of Education Resolution.docx SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Raise the BSA 400125125 - Eubanks.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Education Funding - Curran.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please increase the BSA and prioritize education funding - Manning.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 PLEASE INCREASE THE BSA! - Wijtalewicz.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Comments on Senate Bill 278 - Lambert.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please support an increase to the BSA - Richards.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Please increase BSA - Brubaker.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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HB278 Support for our Schools - Cordano.msg SFIN 4/16/2014 1:30:00 PM
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