Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

05/08/2006 01:00 PM FINANCE


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01:31:55 PM Start
01:32:23 PM HB109
01:56:31 PM HB190
02:10:15 PM Rfp 432 Executive Session
02:27:11 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
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+ HB 109 SCREENING NEWBORN FOR HEARING/AUDIOLOGIST TELECONFERENCED
Moved SCS CSHB 109(FIN) Out of Committee
Testimony by Invitation Only
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
= HB 190 REQUIRED ID FOR PURCHASING ALCOHOL
Moved SCS CSHB 190(FIN) Out of Committee
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                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                  
                          May 8, 2006                                                                                         
                           1:31 p.m.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Lyda  Green  convened   the  meeting  at  approximately                                                               
1:31:55 PM.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Gary Wilken, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Con Bunde, Vice Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                            
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:  REPRESENTATIVE JAY  RAMRAS; JANE  PIERSON, Staff                                                             
to   Representative   Jay   Ramras;  PAUL   LABOLLE,   Staff   to                                                               
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Attending via  Teleconference: From Nome: DR.  RICHARD MANDSAGER,                                                             
Director,  Division of  Public Health,  Department of  Health and                                                               
Social  Services;  From  an  offnet  location:  CARRIE  HENNINGS,                                                               
Manager,   Driver   Licensing,   Division  of   Motor   Vehicles,                                                               
Department   of  Administration;   From  Kenai:   DUANE  BANNOCK,                                                               
Director,   Division    of   Motor   Vehicles,    Department   of                                                               
Administration                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 109-SCREENING NEWBORN FOR HEARING/AUDIOLOGIST                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard from the  bill's sponsor and  the Department                                                               
of  Health  and  Social  Services.  A  committee  substitute  was                                                               
adopted and the bill reported from Committee.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HB 190-REQUIRED ID FOR PURCHASING ALCOHOL                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard from the bill's sponsor and the Division of                                                                 
Motor Vehicles. Three amendments were adopted and the bill                                                                      
reported from Committee.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
RFP 432 - MEDICAID PROGRAM REVIEW AND CONSULTATION                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The Committee met in Executive Session and made a recommendation                                                                
in regards to RFP 432 and the Pacific Health Policy Group.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 109(FIN)                                                                                             
     "An Act relating to establishing  a screening, tracking, and                                                               
     intervention  program  related  to the  hearing  ability  of                                                               
     newborns and  infants; providing  an exemption  to licensure                                                               
     as  an audiologist  for certain  persons performing  hearing                                                               
     screening; relating  to insurance  coverage for  newborn and                                                               
     infant  hearing screening;  and providing  for an  effective                                                               
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the first hearing for this bill in the Senate Finance                                                                  
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:32:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JANE PIERSON, Staff to Representative Jay Ramras, the bill's                                                                    
sponsor, read the sponsor statement as follows.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Each year  in Alaska  approximately 10,000 babies  are born.                                                               
     30  or 40  of these  children will  be born  with congenital                                                               
     hearing  defects. Hearing  loss is  more prevalent  than any                                                               
     other birth defect. Studies have  shown that children with a                                                               
     hearing impairment  not detected  at birth, will  likely not                                                               
     have their impairment  detected until two to  three years of                                                               
     age.  Unfortunately, studies  have also  show that  the most                                                               
     critical time  for speech and cognitive  development is from                                                               
     birth to three years of age.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     HB 109 will require infants  to be screened for hearing loss                                                               
     before leaving  the hospital, or  within thirty-one  days of                                                               
     being born, if  not born in a hospital. HB  109 will further                                                               
     provide  diagnostic  intervention.  A  child  who  fails  an                                                               
     initial  hearing   screening  will   be  referred   for  re-                                                               
     screening. Once  a child has  been diagnosed with  a hearing                                                               
     impairment, parents  will be provided  by the  Department of                                                               
     Health and  Social Services with written  information on the                                                               
     availability  of   services  through   community  resources,                                                               
     government agencies, parent  support organization affiliated                                                               
     with  deafness,  counseling  and educational  services,  and                                                               
     programs  offered  through  the  Department  of  Health  and                                                               
     Social Services  and the Department  of Education  and Early                                                               
     Development.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Ultimately, this  bill will save  the state of  Alaska money                                                               
     due to the fact that when  infants are not identified with a                                                               
     hearing impairment  and aided early, the  special educations                                                               
     costs for a child with a  hearing loss may cost the state an                                                               
     additional $420,000.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     When hearing impaired children reach  school age they become                                                               
     the  fiscal   responsibility  of  their   respective  school                                                               
     districts.  The cost  of educating  a special  needs student                                                               
     can range  up to  $12,000 per year  versus the  Base Student                                                               
     Allocation amount  of $4,919 (proposed  FY 06)  per student.                                                               
     Sooner  or  later  children  identified  with  hearing  loss                                                               
     become   the  financial   responsibility   of  the   state's                                                               
     education system.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pierson encouraged the passage of the bill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:34:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked whether a penalty would be imposed were the                                                                 
screening not conducted.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pierson responded that hospitals would be required to                                                                       
conduct the screening unless the parents opted out of it. No                                                                    
penalty would be levied against a doctor.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson understood therefore that this would be a                                                                         
voluntary program.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pierson affirmed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:35:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson, a medical doctor, asked whether this bill could                                                                  
assist children who might suffer hearing impairment after being                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
affects the inner ear. In his  experience, this was a more common                                                               
issue than newborn hearing impairment.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pierson deferred  to  the Department  of  Health and  Social                                                               
Services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green understood  the bill would limit  the screening to                                                               
newborns.  In  her  opinion,  the bill  would  create  "too  much                                                               
bureaucracy in the Department of Health and Social Services".                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green noted that, due  to time constraints, testimony on                                                               
this bill was by invitation only.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:36:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  RICHARD  MANDSAGER,  Director, Division  of  Public  Health,                                                               
Department  of   Health  and   Social  Services,   testified  via                                                               
teleconference from Nome in support  of the bill. It would assist                                                               
in providing Alaska's children a brighter future.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Mandsager informed  the Committee the bill  would be specific                                                               
to  congenital  hearing  screening   for  newborns,  rather  than                                                               
screening  for  acquired hearing  loss  later  in life.  However,                                                               
follow-up efforts  would be conducted on  high-risk infants, such                                                               
as those receiving critical care nursery treatment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Mandsager stated that the  increased bureaucracy issue raised                                                               
by Co-Chair  Green has been  a frequent topic of  discussion. The                                                               
discussion  has  included such  things  as  whether the  benefits                                                               
provided by the  program would warrant the costs  of the program.                                                               
In his opinion,  the bill would ensure  newborn hearing screening                                                               
and would  allow the Department  to connect parents  with newborn                                                               
hearing services within  the first six months of  a child's life.                                                               
Prior to newborn hearing screening  being conducted in the State,                                                               
the  average  age of  a  congenital  hearing loss  diagnosis  was                                                               
between the  ages of two and  three. Since 80 percent  of infants                                                               
in  the  State undergo  voluntary  screening  today, the  age  of                                                               
diagnosis has  decreased to less  than one  year. The goal  is to                                                               
connect parents with hearing loss  services before their child is                                                               
six  months  old,  as  the   earlier  parents  and  kids  receive                                                               
services, the better for the child's educational and life needs.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Mandsager  concluded  that  this  bill  would  present  "the                                                               
appropriate  balance  between  the  cost  and  the  services  and                                                               
helping parents  make the choices  that are appropriate  for them                                                               
as  to what  communication technology  they choose  for them  and                                                               
their family".                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:38:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  communicated  that   his  remarks  were  made  in                                                               
consideration  of  the fact  that  a  school's special  education                                                               
expense for a child not diagnosed  with hearing loss as an infant                                                               
could amount to  approximately $420,000. He asked  the percent of                                                               
children  diagnosed  with  congenital hearing  loss  compared  to                                                               
those with acquired hearing loss.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:38:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Mandsager replied  that children with mild  hearing loss tend                                                               
to suffer  acquired hearing  loss due to  such things  as chronic                                                               
                                                                                                                                
otitismedia.  The majority  of profound hearing  loss in children                                                               
would  typically  be  the result  of  congenital  hearing  issues                                                               
before birth.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  recalled a discussion  in which Dr.  Mandsager had                                                               
communicated  that newborns  were  currently  being screened  for                                                               
approximately 70 different kinds of conditions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Mandsager stated  that, in  the past  two years,  screenings                                                               
conducted  on infants  increased from  nine to  approximately 40.                                                               
Additional screenings  would be  expected in  the years  ahead as                                                               
technology advances.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson  asked how much  the hearing screen would  cost per                                                               
child.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dr. Mandsager expected  the cost to be $30 to  $40 per child were                                                               
the screening  conducted during  the first  month of  the child's                                                               
life.  The  "diagnostic  confirmatory   testing"  that  would  be                                                               
conducted on  infants who failed  the initial screening  would be                                                               
"substantially more".                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  asked the  cost  of  the equipment  and  training                                                               
required for the initial screening.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Dr.  Mandsager   understood  the  "typical   screening  machines"                                                               
utilized  by  hospitals  and public  health  centers  range  from                                                               
$1,500 to  $2,000. Approximately two  hours of training  time was                                                               
required when  the equipment was  installed at the  Alaska Native                                                               
Medical  Center.  Since  then,   experienced  staff  nurses  have                                                               
trained others on a one on one basis.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken first  heard this  bill in  March in  the Senate                                                               
Health,  Education, &  Social Services  Committee (Senate  HESS).                                                               
While he  was not  opposed to  newborn screening,  the additional                                                               
bureaucracy this bill  would create troubled him.  It might "feel                                                               
good" to  pass such legislation,  but the question is  whether it                                                               
was really necessary.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  referred members to a  handout titled "Locations                                                               
of  Newborn Hearing  Screening Hospitals,  2003 births"  [copy on                                                               
file]  which depicted  the location  of each  hospital or  clinic                                                               
offering  newborn  screening  in  the State.  The  screening  was                                                               
widely  available.  Thus, his  question  during  the Senate  HESS                                                               
hearing was "then  … what newborns are we not  capturing?" as the                                                               
hospital/clinic screening, complemented by  the screening of home                                                               
birth infants by  midwifes, left few if any children  born in the                                                               
State not being tested.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:43:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  pursued this  issue  and  on  May 5,  2006,  he                                                               
received  a  letter from  the  Department  of Health  and  Social                                                               
Services  [copy  not  provided], which  presented  "averages  and                                                               
statistics that  aren't particularly relevant to  Alaska itself".                                                               
The data mirrored information [copy  not provided] he received in                                                               
March from  Debbie Golden, Director  of Program Services  for the                                                               
Alaska  Chapter  of  March  of  Dimes.  Therefore  he  questioned                                                               
whether "the  Department has done  their homework as to  where we                                                               
think  these children  are slipping  through  the cracks."  Thus,                                                               
since newborn  hearing screening  is already being  conducted, he                                                               
could  not  support  implementing   a  law  that  would  increase                                                               
bureaucracy.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:44:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  also shared concern about  the bill; specifically                                                               
the mandatory insurance coverage  requirement included in Sec. 5,                                                               
page  3  lines 9  through  24.  The insurance  requirement  would                                                               
negatively affect those  who participate in small  group plans or                                                               
who  purchase individual  insurance coverage.  Self-covered plans                                                               
would  be  exempt   from  the  requirement.  She   would  not  be                                                               
supporting  this  bill  were  it advanced  to  the  Senate  floor                                                               
because  the  State  would  be required  to  participate  in  any                                                               
mandate adopted by the Legislature.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green stated her biggest  concern is the bureaucracy the                                                               
bill  would  create  in  the  Department  of  Health  and  Social                                                               
Services, specifically as the result  of reporting, tracking, and                                                               
correspondence.  While the  Department's $39,400  fiscal note  is                                                               
not substantial,  she viewed  such activity  as being  outside of                                                               
the Department's role.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:46:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Stedman suggested more work be conducted on the bill.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green nodded in agreement.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green  noted a  tremendous  amount  of people  were  in                                                               
support of the bill. She  declared that she was "not insensitive"                                                               
to  the issue  as her  father  had hearing  loss and  one of  her                                                               
grandchildren had  congenital hearing problems.  Nonetheless, she                                                               
viewed the proposed procedure as "cumbersome".                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson asked the bill's  sponsor to identify "the problem"                                                               
the  bill would  be "curing"  since the  majority of  infants are                                                               
currently screened.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:47:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson also  questioned  what information  would be  lost                                                               
were the tracking proposed in this bill not in place.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pierson communicated  that approximately  80 percent  of the                                                               
infants born  in the State  are receiving hearing  screening. One                                                               
of  the  issues the  bill  would  address  is the  follow-up  re-                                                               
screening  for  a child  identified  with  a hearing  impairment.                                                               
Oftentimes, parents are unsure of where  to go or what to do once                                                               
their child  has been initially  identified. The cards  the State                                                               
sends to such parents urging  them to get their child re-screened                                                               
has prompted many parents to pursue further treatment.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  asked what follow-up  contact is  currently being                                                               
conducted.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Pierson  communicated that the Department  currently receives                                                               
federal  grant money,  which is  used to  provide information  to                                                               
parents following the initial screening.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JAY  RAMRAS,  the  bill's  sponsor,  thanked  the                                                               
Committee  for hearing  the  bill. School  is  "difficult" for  a                                                               
child  who   suffers  from  a  disability.   Identifying  hearing                                                               
impairments in  newborns would allow  them "to  pursue treatment"                                                               
in  some manner.  The incorporation  of this  screening into  the                                                               
"birthing package"  should be the  standard rather than  being an                                                               
extra.  It  would  result in  healthier  children.  Hearing  loss                                                               
identified at birth  would lessen "the burden" on  the State's K-                                                               
12 education  process. It would  be "good public policy"  and the                                                               
program  would  "pay   for  itself  many  times   over"  in  both                                                               
intangible and monetary ways.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:51:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde asked whether the  bill would allow "those who have                                                               
the means  to pay  for the  initial screening"  to do  so, rather                                                               
than the program expense being borne by the State.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Pierson clarified  that the  initial  hearing screening  was                                                               
already included in the cost of the birthing package.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  ascertained therefore that the  additional expense                                                               
would result from the follow up screening.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  understood the follow-up screening  expense would                                                               
be subject  to the  insurance mandate  specified in  Sec. 5(b)(2)                                                               
page 3 lines 19 through 21.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:52:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson explained  that,  absent  insurance coverage,  the                                                               
parents  of any  child  identified during  the initial  screening                                                               
with a  potential hearing problem,  would be responsible  for the                                                               
expense of the follow-up care.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  understood that most insurance  plans would cover                                                               
the  treatment. She  characterized "the  idea that  we mandate  a                                                               
product that's to be sold to a customer" as bad public policy.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:53:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  moved  to  adopt  Version  24-LS0450\I  as  the                                                               
working document.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green identified  the effective date of  January 1, 2008                                                               
as the primary difference between  CS FOR HB 109(FIN) and Version                                                               
"I".                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken  agreed  with  Senator  Stedman  that  the  bill                                                               
required more  work; however, he was  in a quandary as  to how to                                                               
improve it. Neither  the Department nor the  bill's sponsor "have                                                               
made a case that it's needed".  Thus, no benefit would be derived                                                               
from keeping the bill in Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  moved to  report  the  bill from  Committee  with                                                               
individual recommendations and accompanying fiscal notes.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There being  no objection, SCS  CS HB 109(FIN) was  REPORTED from                                                               
Committee with three  previous fiscal notes: zero  fiscal note #2                                                               
dated April 11,  2005 from the Department  of Commerce, Community                                                               
and Economic  Development, zero  fiscal note  #3 dated  April 12,                                                               
2005  from Department  of Education  and  Early Development,  and                                                               
$39,400 fiscal  note #5 dated  March 7, 2006 from  the Department                                                               
of Health and Social Services.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:55:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE CS FOR CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 190(JUD)                                                                               
     "An Act relating to the  purchase of alcoholic beverages and                                                               
     to access to licensed  premises; relating to civil liability                                                               
     for certain  persons accessing licensed  premises; requiring                                                               
     driver's licenses  and identification cards to  be marked if                                                               
     a person  is restricted  from consuming  alcoholic beverages                                                               
     as a  result of  a conviction or  condition of  probation or                                                               
     parole  and relating  to fees  for the  marked license;  and                                                               
     requiring  the   surrender  and  cancellation   of  driver's                                                               
     licenses under certain circumstances."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This was the  second hearing for this bill in  the Senate Finance                                                               
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green  noted that  following the  first hearing  on this                                                               
bill,  several Committee  members discussed  their concerns  with                                                               
Duane  Bannock,  Director,  Division  of  Motor  Vehicles  (DMV),                                                               
Department of  Administration. To that  point, she asked  how the                                                               
remedies to the concerns would be presented.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde  expressed he would be  offering several amendments                                                               
for Committee consideration.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green clarified  that SCS  CS HB  190(JUD) Version  24-                                                               
LS0617\U was before the Committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL LABOLLE, Staff to Representative  Richard Foster, the bill's                                                               
sponsor,  informed  the Committee  the  sponsor  worked with  Mr.                                                               
Bannock  to resolve  several technical  issues. The  issues could                                                               
either  be addressed  via the  amendment process  or through  the                                                               
adoption  of a  committee substitute  [copy not  provided], which                                                               
incorporated the amendments.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green preferred the amendment process.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #1:  This amendment inserts  new language in  Sec. 2(a)                                                               
page 2, line 11 following "jurisdiction" as follows.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The privilege to purchase  alcoholic beverages is restricted                                                               
     during the  period that  the person  is required  to refrain                                                               
     from  consuming alcoholic  beverages under  the sentence  or                                                               
     condition of probation or parole.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
In  addition, new  language is  inserted following  "section." in                                                               
Sec. 4(h) page 2 line 29 as follows.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     A cancellation under this subsection remains in effect only                                                                
     during the period of time that the privilege to purchase                                                                   
     alcoholic beverages is restricted under AS 04.16.160.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Furthermore, this  amendment deletes  "has been" and  replaces it                                                               
with "is"  in Sec. 4(i)  page 2 line 31  and Sec. 6(a)(5)  page 4                                                               
line 1.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The   amendment  also   inserts   new   language  following   "AS                                                               
28.15.111." in Sec. 4(i) page 3 line 1 as follows.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     A person who has received a marked identification card                                                                     
     under this subsection may apply for an unmarked card when                                                                  
     the period of restriction under AS 04.16.160 has expired.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Finally,   this   amendment   inserts  language   following   "AS                                                               
28.15.111" in Sec. 6(a)(5) page 4 line 4 as follows.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     if the period of restriction under AS 04.16.160 is still in                                                                
     effect                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde moved Amendment #1 and objected for explanation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. LaBolle stated  Amendment #1 would address the  timing of the                                                               
revocation of driver's licenses in  that a license would be "only                                                               
cancelled  for   the  duration  for  which   the  prohibition  on                                                               
consumption"  was  issued.  Upon   conclusion  of  that  time,  a                                                               
person's driver's  license would be revalidated,  had the license                                                               
not been "surrendered to the Court".                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green asked whether the  entirety of sections referenced                                                               
in  the  amendment pertained  to  the  revocation period  of  the                                                               
driver's license.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. LaBolle affirmed; the exception  being the replacement of the                                                               
term "has been" with "is" for grammatical correctness.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde removed his objection.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no further objection, Amendment #1 was ADOPTED.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:59:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #2:  This  amendment  deletes  "law  or  ordinance  of                                                               
another jurisdiction" and replaces  it with "municipal ordinance"                                                               
in three areas of  the bill: Sec. 2(a) page 2,  line 9; Sec. 2(a)                                                               
page 2, line 11; and Sec. 7(g) page 4 line 8.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In addition  the amendment  deletes ",  laws, or  ordinances" and                                                               
replaces it with "or a  similar municipal ordinance" in Sec. 7(g)                                                               
page 4 line 9.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde moved Amendment #2 and objected for explanation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. LaBolle  explained the  amendment would  serve to  "limit the                                                               
[jurisdictional] scope to other  municipal ordinances rather than                                                               
all laws and ordinances of a similar nature".                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde removed his objection.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Without further objection, Amendment #2 was ADOPTED.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:00:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #3:   This  amendment  deletes  ""ROC""   and  inserts                                                               
""COAR"" in Sec. 5(a) page 3, line 18.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
In addition, the amendment deletes  ""ROC" is an abbreviation for                                                               
"restriction on  consumption"." and  replaces it with  ""COAR" is                                                               
an  abbreviation for  "court  ordered  alcohol restriction"."  in                                                               
Sec. 5(a) page 3 line 23.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde moved amendment #3 and objected for explanation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. LaBolle explained this amendment  would change the applicable                                                               
markings on a driver's license  or State identification card from                                                               
"ROC"  (restriction  on  consumption) to  "COAR"  (court  ordered                                                               
alcohol restriction).                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bunde removed his objection.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no further objection, Amendment #3 was ADOPTED.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:00:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken understood Mr.  LaBolle had recently communicated                                                               
with Mr. Bannock.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bannock affirmed.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  asked how Mr.  Bannock "would  characterize that                                                               
conversation".                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  LaBolle  stated  the  conversation  was  "probably  somewhat                                                               
uncomfortable for both of us".                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked whether Mr.  Bannock might be available via                                                               
teleconference,  as   he  had  expressed   "significant  concerns                                                               
yesterday".                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green communicated  that Mr.  Bannock was  unavailable.                                                               
However, Carrie Hennings with DMV was available for questions.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE 2:01:45 PM / 2:03:14 PM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken asked  to  hear DMV's  position  on the  amended                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green communicated  that Mr.  Bannock's assistant,  Ms.                                                               
Hennings could testify on behalf of DMV.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:03:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Wilken understood  Mr. Bannock  had been  unhappy about                                                               
the conversation he  recently had with Mr. LaBolle,  as he deemed                                                               
it "rude" and "intrusive".                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken declared  that Mr. Bannock or  any State director                                                               
should be  able to present  their opinion  at any time,  and when                                                               
such a person identifies a problem, "we should pay attention".                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Wilken  was   sorry  that   this  "not   insignificant                                                               
legislation"  was being  addressed this  late in  the Legislative                                                               
session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:04:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARRIE  HENNINGS, Manager,  Driver Licensing,  Division of  Motor                                                               
Vehicles,   Department    of   Administration,    testified   via                                                               
teleconference from an offnet location.  Mr. Bannock was in court                                                               
and therefore  was unavailable to  testify before  the Committee;                                                               
however, he asked  her to communicate that  "the technical issues                                                               
specific to  DMV implementation of  this bill have  been resolved                                                               
and  we  have  no  further  objection on  any  of  the  technical                                                               
issues".                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken asked  whether DMV had any other  issues with the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Hennings responded in the negative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Stedman asked  for confirmation  the  Department was  in                                                               
support of the bill.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green understood  the issues  raised by  the Department                                                               
were  addressed.   However,  "philosophical   differences"  might                                                               
exist.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:05:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DUANE BANNOCK,  Director, Division of Motor  Vehicles, Department                                                               
of Administration,  testified via  teleconference from  Kenai, as                                                               
the  court  proceedings  had ended.  He  affirmed  Ms.  Hennings'                                                               
remarks   and  agreed   "100  percent"   with  Co-Chair   Green's                                                               
"assessment" of the situation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:06:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  communicated that  he  was  "very interested  and                                                               
concerned about  the technical  aspects" of  issues:   "policy or                                                               
philosophical   discussions"   should   be   addressed   by   the                                                               
Legislature rather than by "the bureaucracy".                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bunde  moved  to  report  the  bill,  as  amended,  from                                                               
Committee  with   individual  recommendations   and  accompanying                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken objected.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:07:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Wilken  suggested the bill could  be reintroduced during                                                               
the next Legislative session, as, while  it might be a good bill,                                                               
more  work on  it is  required. "For  a number  of reasons",  not                                                               
everybody is "on board" with the bill at this time.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
A roll call was taken on the motion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
IN  FAVOR: Senator  Hoffman, Senator  Olson,  Senator Bunde,  and                                                               
Senator Dyson                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
OPPOSED: Senator Stedman, Co-Chair Wilken, and Co-Chair Green                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The motion PASSED (4-3)                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The motion to report the bill from Committee PASSED.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SCS CS HB 190(FIN) was  REPORTED from Committee with two previous                                                               
fiscal notes:  zero fiscal  note #2 dated  February 8,  2006 from                                                               
the Office  of Public Advocacy, Department  of Administration and                                                               
indeterminate fiscal  note #3,  dated February  9, 2006  from the                                                               
Division of Motor Vehicles, Department of Administration.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:08:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
This being  the 120th day  of the 121  day Second Session  of the                                                               
Twenty-Fourth Alaska  State Legislature,  Co-Chair Green  and Co-                                                               
Chair Wilken  thanked the Committee  and staff for  their efforts                                                               
and dedication to the process.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:10:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^RFP 432 Executive Session                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     RFP 432 EXECUTIVE SESSION                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:10:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Green   announced  the   Committee  would   conduct  an                                                               
Executive Session. Her motion was as follows.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     I move that  the Senate Finance Committee  go into Executive                                                               
     Session under Uniform Rule 22(B)((1)  and (3) for discussion                                                               
     of  matters,   the  immediate   knowledge  of   which  would                                                               
     adversely affect the  finances of a government  unit and the                                                               
     discussion of a  matter that may, by law, be  required to be                                                               
     confidential.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     I ask that the following staff  remain in the room to assist                                                               
     the  Committee: Ginger  Blaisdell, Jan  Price, Tina  Strong,                                                               
     and Sheila Peterson.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There  being  no  objection,  the   Committee  met  in  Executive                                                               
Session.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
EXECUTIVE SESSION 2:10:38 PM / 2:26:21 PM                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Upon  the conclusion  of the  Executive  Session, Co-Chair  Green                                                               
"moved  the  award of  RFP  432  -  Medicaid Program  Review  and                                                               
Consultation to the Pacific Health Policy Group in an amount not                                                                
be exceed $234,230".                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, the motion was APPROVED. The Pacific                                                                  
Health Policy Group would be notified.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Green noted that the staff members who were invited to                                                                 
participate in the Executive Session were included due to their                                                                 
expertise in the matter.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Lyda Green adjourned the meeting at 2:27:11 PM.                                                                      

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