Legislature(2001 - 2002)

02/12/2002 09:57 AM FIN

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                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                         February 12, 2002                                                                                    
                              9:57 AM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete  Kelly convened the meeting at approximately  9:57 AM.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Jerry Ward, Vice Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                            
Senator Alan Austerman                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending:                                                                                                               
SENATOR BEN  STEVENS; HEATHER BRAKES,  staff to Senator Therriault;                                                             
DEBBIE  GRUNDMAN,  staff  to  Senator  Stevens;  CATHERINE  REARDON,                                                            
Director,   Division  of  Occupational   Licensing,  Department   of                                                            
Community  and  Economic  Development;  PAT  DAVIDSON,  Legislative                                                             
Auditor, Legislative Budget  and Audit Division, Legislative Affairs                                                            
Agency;  ANNE  HENRY,  Chair:  Board  of  Professional  Counselors,                                                             
Special  Projects   Coordinator,  Division  of  Mental   Health  and                                                            
Developmental   Disabilities,  Department   of  Health  and   Social                                                            
Services                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
Attending via Teleconference:                                                                                                 
There were no teleconference participants.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SB 243-CHIROPRACTORS: SUNSET/LICENSING                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard  testimony from  the sponsor,  the Division  of                                                            
Legislative  Budget and Audit, and  the Department of Community  and                                                            
Economic Development. The bill was held in Committee.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 244-OPTOMETRISTS: SUNSET AND MISCELLANEOUS                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard  testimony from  the sponsor,  the Division  of                                                            
Legislative  Budget and Audit, and  the Department of Community  and                                                            
Economic  Development.  Two amendments  were  adopted  and the  bill                                                            
moved from Committee.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SB 257-EXTEND BOARD OF PROFESSIONAL COUNSELORS                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The Committee  heard  testimony from  the sponsor,  the Division  of                                                            
Legislative  Budget and Audit, and  the Department of Community  and                                                            
Economic Development.   One amendment was adopted and the bill moved                                                            
from Committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 243                                                                                                        
     "An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                     
      Chiropractic Examiners; and relating to chiropractors."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
HEATHER BRAKES,  staff to Senator  Therriault, spoke to the  details                                                            
of  the  bill. She  informed  there  is  an accompanying   committee                                                            
substitute in the packet.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman offered  a motion  to adopt  CS SB  243, 22-LS1266\F                                                             
Lauterbach, as a working draft.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
There being  no objection,  the document  was ADOPTED  as a  working                                                            
draft.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brakes  spoke of the  Division of Legislative  Budget and  Audit                                                            
report  [copy  on  file]  which  supports  restoring  the  Board  of                                                            
Chiropractic  Examiners to implement  full licensure by credentials                                                             
as outlined in  Section 2 of the bill. Ms. Brakes  referenced page 5                                                            
of  the  Audit  Report  which  stated  the  Board   of Chiropractic                                                             
Examiners  is "operating in  an efficient  and effective manner  and                                                            
should continue  to regulate and license  chiropractors."  She noted                                                            
the Report  also states the Board  Chiropractic Examiners  "serves a                                                            
public  purpose by  promoting  the competent  and  safe practice  of                                                            
chiropractic  therapy." She summarized  this bill as being  based on                                                            
the audit recommendations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
KATHERINE  REARDON, Director,  Division of  Occupational  Licensing,                                                            
Department  of  Community   and  Economic  Development   stated  the                                                            
Division  provides  the  administrative  support  for the  Board  of                                                            
Chiropractic Examiners.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly asked  Ms.  Reardon to  explain the  differences  in                                                            
licensure requirements as presented in the committee substitute.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon  explained  both  the  committee   substitute  and  the                                                            
original  bill include  licensure  by credentials  which applies  to                                                            
people applying for a license  in the state of Alaska who have had a                                                            
previous  license   in  another  state.  The  committee   substitute                                                            
establishes identical criteria;  however the Board has the option of                                                            
permitting  an applicant  to pass two  of the  four sections  of the                                                            
national  exam  or  pass  another  special  national  exam  that  is                                                            
designed  for people  who have  been in  practice.  She stated  some                                                            
sections of  the current test are  geared for people who  are coming                                                            
right out of  medical school, and  this committee substitute  allows                                                            
for a different  sort of test for those who have been  out of school                                                            
for a while and have been in practice.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon continued  that the original bill specifically  mentions                                                            
paying a licensing  fee; however,  licensing fees are not  mentioned                                                            
in  this  committee  substitute  as  fees  are  addressed  in  other                                                            
statutes.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon stated the  committee substitute specifies the applicant                                                            
must  have  graduated  from  a  licensed  chiropractic  school;  the                                                            
original bill does not.  She continued that the committee substitute                                                            
states the  applicant must  have passed the  national exam  and must                                                            
have held  a license in  another state for  five years; whereas  the                                                            
"original  bill  gave  you an  option  of  one or  the  other."  She                                                            
continued that  the committee substitute  states the applicant  must                                                            
have been in  active practice three  of the past five years;  recent                                                            
practice  guidelines are  not specified  in the  original bill.  She                                                            
outlined other differences  in the bills including the new provision                                                            
for  a different  test  if  the applicant  has  been  practicing  in                                                            
another state.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PAT DAVIDSON,  Legislative Auditor,  Division of Legislative  Budget                                                            
and Audit, Legislative  Affairs Agency, spoke to the audit review on                                                            
the sunset of  the Board of Chiropractic Examiners  and verified the                                                            
audit  recommends   the  standard   four-year  extension   with  the                                                            
additional recommendation of licensure by credentials.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green,  referring to  page 2, line  26, Section 2(C)(3),  of                                                            
the committee substitute,  asked for clarification of what qualifies                                                            
as length of practice.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon  responded  the  section  regarding   prior  length  of                                                            
practice is "pretty  common" and "within the typical  range of other                                                            
programs."  She noted the intent of  this requirement is  to address                                                            
that  an applicant  has practiced  recently  and  "not twenty  years                                                            
ago." She  informed that  the dental board  has "even more  strident                                                            
time requirements with no break in time" of active practice.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green asked what the requirement is for medical doctors.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
At ease 10:08 AM /10:12 AM                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon   responded   there  is  no   recent  active   practice                                                            
requirement  for  medical doctors,  but  reiterated  there are  such                                                            
requirements for dentists.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson asked what  constitutes active practice and how is the                                                            
time accounted for if a  practitioner works, for example, only three                                                            
days a week.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  replied  that the Board  would have  to interpret  what                                                            
constitutes   active   clinical   practice.   She  surmised   if   a                                                            
practitioner were  actively seeing patients for only  nine months of                                                            
the year, the  time would have to  accumulate to 36 months  within a                                                            
five-year  span  to  qualify  for  the  three-year  active  practice                                                            
requirement. She  reiterated this would be a decision  of the Board.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green  voiced  she  is  not  comfortable   supporting  this                                                            
committee substitute without  this active practice requirement being                                                            
further clarified.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly asked Senator  Green to work  with Ms. Davidson  and                                                            
the Division of Legislative  Budget and Audit to work on appropriate                                                            
language.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  stated there are many circumstances  to consider, and                                                            
he supports holding the bill pending further clarification.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  asked  Senator  Green  to form  a  subcommittee  to                                                            
address  this  concern  and  to report  back  to  the  Committee  by                                                            
February 18.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The bill was held in Committee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 244(L&C)                                                                                            
     "An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                     
      Examiners in Optometry; and relating to optometrists."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brakes  explained this committee  substitute provides  for a new                                                            
termination  date  for the  Board  of Optometrists  and  allows  for                                                            
statutory changes  to enable the Board to "more effectively  license                                                            
by credential,  update continuing education requirements"  and bring                                                            
the requirements in line  with current practice and regulations. She                                                            
detailed some  of the changes such  as the replacement of  the state                                                            
tactical  exam with the  National Board of  Examiners and  Optometry                                                            
examination.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brakes referred to  the Division of Legislative Budget and Audit                                                            
report  on the issue  [copy on  file] which  supports the  extension                                                            
date  proposed for  the  Board. She  referenced  page  seven of  the                                                            
report which details the  findings and recommendations of the audit.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Brakes  noted  that page  15 of  the audit  report contains  the                                                            
Department  of Community and Economic  Development' response  to the                                                            
audit recommendations.  She informed  that SB 244 was drafted  based                                                            
on the findings and recommendations of the audit.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  noted that the original  bill included a requirement                                                             
that the  applicants  submit a  photograph with  their application;                                                             
however that requirement  was omitted from the committee substitute.                                                            
She asked for clarification about this change.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Brakes   responded  on   page  seven   of  the  audit   report,                                                            
Recommendation  No. 1 recommends the  Board rescind the application                                                             
requirement of  requiring a photograph of the applicant.  She stated                                                            
the drafters attempted  to draft the legislation based  on the audit                                                            
recommendations,  and, as the sponsor,  "we wanted to put  those out                                                            
on  the table  for  discussion  and to  let  that work  through  the                                                            
Committee  process."  She  noted   the Senate   Labor  and  Commerce                                                            
Committee  reinstates   the  photograph  requirement;   however,  it                                                            
specifies  photographs  are not  permitted  to be  forwarded to  the                                                            
Board at time of licensure.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green asked if  the photograph requirement is typical of all                                                            
licenses.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE  REARDON, Director,  Division of  Occupational  Licensing,                                                            
Department of Community  and Economic Development responded that the                                                            
Department "looked through  all of the programs, as a result of this                                                            
issue  coming  up. Approximately   two-thirds  of the  38  licensing                                                            
programs do  require photographs with  the application; however,  in                                                            
most  of those  instances,  it is  not  because of  a  statute or  a                                                            
regulation that requires  it, but a board policy." She continued the                                                            
requirement  is on  the application  form  which was  approved  by a                                                            
Board.  She  continued  that  this  particular   wording  stating  a                                                            
photograph should  be submitted, but would not be  "forwarded to the                                                            
Board during the application process, is unique to this bill."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green inquired as to the purpose of the photograph.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon responded the  photograph is included in the file and is                                                            
used   for  identification   purposes.   She  qualified   that   the                                                            
application is signed and  notarized; however there are instances in                                                            
which "people  do try to pass themselves  off as other people."  She                                                            
continued that  some boards view having the photograph  as "useful."                                                            
She noted that  photo identification is useful at  exam check-in, to                                                            
make sure that  a "ringer" is not  taking the test for the  "correct                                                            
person."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green asked if  the photograph is used for the issuance of a                                                            
state  of  Alaska  photo  identification   card  when  a  person  is                                                            
licensed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon  responded  that  the  Department   only  issues  paper                                                            
licenses   printed  on  a   laser  printer   that  do  not   contain                                                            
photographs.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Ward inquired  as to "how  many ringers  have been  used to                                                            
take tests."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  responded she "is not  aware of that happening"  during                                                            
the seven  years she  has been  with the Department.  She  continued                                                            
that "very  rarely, if at all" can  that Department prove  that this                                                            
has occurred. She continued  that on the national level, there is "a                                                            
lot of concern  about that, particularly  with the big professional                                                             
exams," such as  engineering. She noted there has  been "an instance                                                            
in Alaska  in the last two  years where a  nurse applicant  tried to                                                            
pass herself off as an  entirely different person." She detailed how                                                            
this  person  "was  caught"  during  the  application  process.  She                                                            
informed that "strange things" do happen.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  asked if "we expect this language to  start appearing                                                            
in all licensure  and renewals" for these various  licenses or would                                                            
this be better addressed in a separate statute.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  responded the  photograph requirement  is addressed  in                                                            
this particular  bill because of the audit recommendation  to remove                                                            
"the board's  ability to  require photographs."  She stated  this is                                                            
"not an effort  to add photographs to the process,  it is a reaction                                                            
to the  recommendation that  the ability  to require photographs  be                                                            
removed." She  stated "there was discussion in the  Senate Labor and                                                            
Commerce Committee about whether that was a good idea."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon summarized  the language in the committee  substitute is                                                            
perhaps, "a compromise."   She continued, "the recommendation to not                                                            
require a photograph  was to eliminate  a potential opportunity  for                                                            
discrimination  based on the photograph."  She continued  "there was                                                            
some debate about whether  it was necessary, whether that really was                                                            
a significant  risk," and this language is "a way  of coming up with                                                            
protecting  against discrimination  while retaining  the ability  to                                                            
ask for photographs."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  asked  if  the  Division   is  in  favor  of  having                                                            
photographs.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  responded that  the Division  supports the position  of                                                            
the  Boards and  "if a  board  feels this  is important,"  then  the                                                            
Division would  support "obtaining  the photographs" for  them." She                                                            
voiced  support  for not  submitting  the  photograph  to the  Board                                                            
during the application  review process as the current bill describes                                                            
"to eliminate anyone's concern that that might be influential."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked if "there have been any complaints  by minority                                                            
groups  that  they  have  been  discriminated  against  through  the                                                            
application period."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon responded she was not aware of any complaints.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly stated  that one  of the  reasons not  to include  a                                                            
photograph  is just  a "general  sense" that  the Board  may make  a                                                            
decision based on a photograph.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  spoke of his experience  as a member of the  Board of                                                            
Optometrists  and stated it was "quite  helpful" to have  photograph                                                            
as it made it  easier to identify a person and easier  to recall the                                                            
person if  their name came  up at a later  proceeding. He stated  he                                                            
"did not necessarily agree with the findings of the audit."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ward asked if the  Board could make a decision as to whether                                                            
a photograph would be required.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon commented  "boards review the application  forms" so she                                                            
would "look to boards for direction."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ward clarified  that if Board did not require  a photograph,                                                            
the Department would not object.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon concurred.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Ward clarified  that if Board  did want  a photograph  that                                                            
also would be fine with the Department.                                                                                         
Ms. Reardon  concurred, stating "as  long as it was not contrary  to                                                            
statute."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Leman   voiced   he  did   not   agree  with   the   audit                                                            
recommendation, and he  believes it is important to have photographs                                                            
on file. He stated  that the terrorist events of September  11, 2001                                                            
make him "realize  what some people  will go through to defraud  and                                                            
harm  other  people."  He opined  that  requiring  a  photograph  is                                                            
appropriate.  He continued "this language  is not necessary  because                                                            
the  policy of  division has  been to  do this  and if  that is  the                                                            
boards policy  they can continue to do that." He does  not foresee a                                                            
"problem  with discrimination"  as these people  will interact  with                                                            
other professionals and the public in their profession.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green  stated  the  current  language  takes  the  decision                                                            
whether to  require photographs away  from the Board and  perhaps it                                                            
would be more appropriate to let the Board make that decision.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly asked "if  it is not the statute  to let Board  deal                                                            
with this anyway."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  replied the  current statute  language authorizes  such                                                            
discretion  to the  Board. She  suggested changing  the language  to                                                            
clarify that  the Board and not the  Department make this  decision.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Amendment #1: This amendment  changes the wording in Section 2, line                                                            
11 to reflect  "the board may require.." instead of  "the Department                                                            
may require…"                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green moved for adoption.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly reiterated the change.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment #1 was approved.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman asked if  the Committee should address this photograph                                                            
issue through statute instead  of through Board policy. He suggested                                                            
removing  a portion of  Section 2  from the bill.  He discussed  the                                                            
normal application process.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon clarified that  photographs are handled varies among the                                                            
boards.  She  detailed  that  some  boards  require  photographs  at                                                            
different  stages of the  application process.  She stated  that the                                                            
Optometrist  Board has not been viewing  the photographs  during the                                                            
application process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  stated this language  should be addressed  throughout                                                            
all licensure boards.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly agreed.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green suggested  statutory  language  could  be enacted  to                                                            
leave  the  photograph  requirement  up  to the  discretion  of  all                                                            
boards.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  informed that  the Department  does have a statute,  AS                                                            
08.01. under which something of this nature could be addressed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly acknowledged  this change could be done in this bill,                                                            
and then addressed in a  "more generalized statute" at a later date.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Amendment  #2: This  amendment deletes  Section 2  of the  committee                                                            
substitute in its entirety.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman moved  for  adoption.  He stated  if  Section 2  were                                                            
deleted, there would be no change to existing practice.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
There being no objections, Amendment #2 was ADOPTED.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman offered  a  motion to  report  CS SB  244 (FIN),  22-                                                            
LS1267\J with  a prior $17,700 Department of Community  and Economic                                                            
Development fiscal note from Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Without objection, the bill MOVED from Committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 257(L&C)                                                                                            
     "An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                     
     Professional Counselors; and relating to licensing of                                                                      
     professional counselors."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
This  was the first  hearing  for this  bill in  the Senate  Finance                                                            
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DEBORAH GRUNDMAN,  staff to Senator Stevens, detailed  the specifics                                                            
of SB 257. She informed  that the Division of Legislative Budget and                                                            
Audit report  [copy on file] recommends  continuation of  the Board.                                                            
She noted that the audit  also recommends the merger of the Board of                                                            
Professional Counselors  and the Board of Marital and Family Therapy                                                            
into a  "single oversight  and licensing  Board." She informed  that                                                            
Division  of Legislative  Budget and Audit  also recommends  similar                                                            
sunset dates  for the two  boards in order  to address the  possible                                                            
merger.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Grundman noted  Section 2 of the committee substitute  addresses                                                            
some  changes  in  the  educational  requirements   of professional                                                             
counselors at the request of the Board and the Department.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ANN HENRY,  Chair, Board of Professional  Counselors, Department  of                                                            
Community and Economic  Development informed that Committee that the                                                            
division supports the extension of the Board.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PAT DAVIDSON,  Legislative  Auditor,  Legislative  Budget and  Audit                                                            
Committee,  Division of  Legislative Audit,  notified the  Committee                                                            
that the Audit report did  recommend extension of the Board to allow                                                            
time to merge  "two very similar groups."  She clarified  each group                                                            
would  have their  own  separate  licensing  statute but  "would  be                                                            
controlled  by one  Board." She  continued this  recommendation  was                                                            
"based on effectiveness  and economy of scale." She noted the merger                                                            
"would  not result  in any substantial  impact  on costs  associated                                                            
with either of those boards."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Davidson  stated   all  behavioral  science  boards   including                                                            
Professional    Counselors,   Marital    and   Family   Therapists,                                                             
Professional  Social Workers,  and  Psychologists "would  be up  for                                                            
review at the same time" in the year 2005.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  inquired if there were  any objections to  the merger                                                            
of "these two disciplines."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davidson  reported  the Division  conducted  surveys during  the                                                            
audit period.  She informed there were no strong disagreements  from                                                            
professional   counselors  or  from   marital  and  family   therapy                                                            
counselors;  however  psychologists   "strongly  objected  to  being                                                            
combined with either of those boards."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Amendment   #1:  This  amendment   would   delete  "completing   the                                                            
requirement  of" and insert "earning  the degree required  under" on                                                            
page 2, line 19, Section 2(a)(6).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman  offered a motion to adopt Amendment  #1. He explained                                                            
this  amendment  allows  counselors   to begin  earning   supervised                                                            
experience  as soon  as they complete  their  education" instead  of                                                            
having  to  wait  until  they  complete   their  graduate  hours  of                                                            
training.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reardon  informed the Committee  this amendment is supported  by                                                            
the Board  and the Division  of Occupational  Licensing. She  stated                                                            
this amendment  would allow it to be "more feasible"  for people who                                                            
need to work while they are obtaining graduate hours.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  exampled that the effect  of this amendment  would be                                                            
to allow someone to do "moonlighting."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reardon   characterized  the   language  as  clarifying   "when                                                            
someone's   supervised   experience   would   start   counting   for                                                            
licensure."  She stated  current law  requires people  to get  3,000                                                            
hours of  supervised experience,  in addition  to a 60-hours  master                                                            
degree  requirement.  She noted  this  amendment would  allow  those                                                            
people  who  have  a Masters  degree  with  less  than  60-hours  of                                                            
required   degree  time   to  work  toward   getting  that   60-hour                                                            
requirement.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Ms. Reardon  continued  that  with this  amendment a  person with  a                                                            
Master's degree  could count hours as "supervised  hours" while they                                                            
were working toward the 60-hour requirement.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, Amendment #1 was ADOPTED.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman offered  a motion  to report  CS  SB257 (FIN),  22-LS                                                            
1336\J from Committee with  the previous fiscal note of $51,400 from                                                            
the Department of Community and Economic Development.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being no objection, the bill MOVED from Committee.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete Kelly adjourned the meeting at 10:48 AM.                                                                          

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