Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/24/1998 06:00 PM FIN

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SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                       
24 March 1998                                                                  
6:00 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
TAPES                                                                          
                                                                               
SFC-98, #94, Sides A and B                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
CALL TO ORDER                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Drue Pearce, Co-chair, convened the meeting at                         
approximately 6:00 p.m.                                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
PRESENT                                                                        
                                                                               
In addition to Co-chair Pearce, Senators Sharp, Donley,                        
Parnell and Adams were present when the meeting was                            
convened.                                                                      
                                                                               
Also Attending:  SENATOR JERRY WARD; SENATOR GEORGIANNA                        
LINCOLN; SENATOR GARY WILKEN; REPRESENTATIVE ELDON MULDER;                     
REPRESENTATIVE TERRY MARTIN; MARGARET PUGH, Commissioner,                      
Department of Corrections; MARGOT KNUTH, Assistant Attorney                    
General, Department of Law; NANCY SLAGLE, Director,                            
Administrative Services, Department of Transportation and                      
Public Facilities; KEVIN BROOKS, Director, Administrative                      
Services, Department of Fish and Game; BARBARA RITCHIE,                        
Deputy Attorney General, Department of Law; and aides to                       
committee members and other members of the Legislature.                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                            
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce invited attending Senators and                                 
Representatives to join the committee at the table.  She                       
said there was a committee substitute for HB 53 RLS (title                     
am) and explained briefly what HB 53 entailed.  For those                      
listening in she noted that the Armed Forces radio network                     
in Fort Greely/Delta Junction area was broadcasting the                        
hearing live.  Testimony would be taken via teleconference                     
from the following sites signed on:  NOME, FAIRBANKS, DELTA                    
JUNCTION, and ANCHORAGE.  She further noted the presence of                    
Commissioner of Corrections, MARGARET PUGH, and Col.                           
ANDERSON, Commander, Fort Greely on line to answer any                         
questions.  There were also several amendments to be                           
introduced.                                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked if staff from Legislative Finance or                       
Legislative Audit were present to look at the Delta                            
agreement and advise what the cost to the State of Alaska                      
would be.                                                                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
 HOUSE BILL NO. 53                                                             
                                                                               
"An Act relating to the authority of the Department of                         
Corrections to contract for facilities for the                                 
confinement and care of prisoners, and annulling a                             
regulation of the Department of Corrections that limits                        
the purposes for which an agreement with a private                             
agency may be entered into; authorizing an agreement by                        
which the Department of Corrections may, for the                               
benefit of the state, enter into one lease of, or                              
similar agreement to use, space within a correctional                          
facility that is operated by a private contractor, and                         
setting conditions on the operation of the correctional                        
facility affected by the lease or use agreement; and                           
giving notice of and approving a lease-purchase                                
agreement or similar use-purchase agreement for the                            
design, construction, and operation of a correctional                          
facility, and setting conditions and limitations on the                        
facility's design, construction, and operation."                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 53(RLS)(title am)                                       
                                                                               
"An Act expressing legislative intent without the force                        
of law concerning correctional facility space and the                          
Cleary v. Smith case; adding, as a general power of                            
municipalities, the power to provide for, and enter                            
into agreements concerning the confinement and care of                         
prisoners; relating to authorizing the Department of                           
Corrections to enter into agreements to lease                                  
facilities for the confinement and care of prisoners                           
with the City of Delta Junction and with the                                   
Municipality of Anchorage; and providing for an                                
effective date."                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
Margaret Pugh, Commissioner, Department of Corrections was                     
invited to join the committee.  The Department feels that                      
what is contemplated in HB 53 and the direction the                            
Legislature wants them to proceed is compatible with the                       
principals relied upon by them to make decisions regarding                     
the placement of a prisoner in jail.  She said the needs in                    
Bethel, North Slope, Valdez, Fairbanks and Juneau should                       
also be considered.  She noted her authorization to enter                      
into an agreement with the City of Delta Junction for the                      
operation of a prison at Fort Greely and said it made sense                    
and made for good government.  It was wanted and expected                      
that the State of Alaska be doing business with another                        
government, and in this case, the City of Delta Junction                       
rather than a private party for long-term property lease.                      
She said she assumed the Legislature shared her opinion that                   
the operation of the prison would be put out to a fair,                        
competitive bid.  She was satisfied that the bill was                          
permissive and gave her the authority to contract for the                      
operation of the prison at Fort Greely.  She knows that this                   
is not a blank check and will have some analysis done to                       
ensure that $70 which is the stated price in the letter of                     
intent or whatever number is the right price.  She will                        
bring the information gathered back to the Legislature.                        
                                                                               
Senator Adams referred to page 3, lines 6 and 7 wherein the                    
Department of Corrections may enter into an agreement with                     
Delta Junction.  Was it up to the City of Delta Junction to                    
work with any correction facility?  Did the City of Delta                      
Junction have any experience in running a prison?                              
                                                                               
Commissioner Pugh said not to her knowledge.                                   
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked when did they start paying on the eight                    
hundred prison beds?  Was this to start after completion of                    
it being turned into a correctional compound?                                  
                                                                               
Margo Knuth, Assistant Attorney General, Department of Law                     
was invited to join the committee.  She said the payments                      
would start when the building was completed and there were                     
eight hundred inmates at the institution.                                      
                                                                               
In response to a query from Senator Donley, Commissioner                       
Pugh said it was her assumption that she would report any                      
findings back to the committee.                                                
                                                                               
Ms. Knuth said that since the bill was permissive, the                         
Legislature was saying to the department to investigate the                    
conversion of Fort Greely to a prison and if it makes sense,                   
go forth and do that.  The Legislature has given sufficient                    
authorization in the legislation without more.  If, however,                   
the Commissioner were to determine that an eight-hundred bed                   
facility could be established somewhere else within the                        
State for only $50/day the Legislature would want to know                      
that information.                                                              
                                                                               
Senator Sharp referred to Spring Creek and asked if this was                   
authorized by the Legislature and then they went forward.                      
Senator Torgerson said it was done under a lease/purchase                      
agreement.                                                                     
                                                                               
Col. Dave Anderson testified via teleconference from Delta                     
Junction.  He said he was prepared to respond to questions                     
posed by Senator Adams at the last committee hearing.                          
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked if there was any other reuse for Fort                      
Greely.  He also asked what would happen if the necessary                      
paperwork was not signed by the Governor to reuse Fort                         
Greely as a prison.                                                            
                                                                               
Col. Anderson said that if the Governor elected to not                         
recognize the local reuse authority then he had the option                     
of designating some other State agency as an implementing                      
LRA.  Otherwise the Federal government would dispose of Fort                   
Greely.  In that case, there would be no benefit to Delta                      
Junction economically.  Furthermore, Federal and State                         
agencies already had the opportunity to attain the property.                   
                                                                               
In response to a query from Senator Sharp he felt the Mayor                    
of Delta Junction could better respond.  He could say,                         
however, that the Delta/Greely Community Coalition is the                      
agency designated to plan for the reuse and based on the                       
Governor's approval would be the implementing agency.  The                     
coalition would acquire the property and then disperse or                      
sell it.  Their intent is to bid the property to a private                     
contractor who would in turn then contract with the City.                      
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce asked the Mayor of Delta Junction be called                    
and the moderator at the LIO in Delta said she would take                      
care of that.  She further requested Col. Anderson remain on                   
line.  She alluded to a letter sent out by her office with                     
specific questions for Mr. Ray Woodruff.  She noted                            
responses from Mr. Woodruff; John Levine & Company and J.                      
Frank Prewitt.  Also attached was data from the Commissioner                   
of Corrections.                                                                
                                                                               
The following individuals testified via teleconference from                    
DELTA JUNCTION:  JIM CARLSTROM; MIKE MCCOWAN; DAVID WRIGHT;                    
PATRICK DALTON, opposed HB 53; MARLIN STARNES; RAY WOODRUFF,                   
formed coalition at the request of Governor Knowles; and                       
BILL JOHSON, testified against the prison in Delta.   Due to                   
poor teleconference quality the testimony could not be                         
transcribed.                                                                   
                                                                               
Senator Adams said that at the last meeting it was said that                   
sixty-two percent of the voters voted to have the prison.                      
Now, Mr. Johnson was saying that seven hundred signatures                      
were collected opposing that.  Senator Adams said he thought                   
there were about nine hundred registered voters in Delta                       
Junction.  He further asked if there was supposed to have                      
been a second vote?  Mr. Johnson said he didn't know how                       
many registered voters there were.  He said that he did not                    
get a chance to vote in this election.  He said notice was                     
given from three days to two weeks ahead of time regarding                     
the matter.  This did not meet the criteria for any sort of                    
election under State law.  There should have been at least                     
thirty days notice.  It was decided by the coalition in mid-                   
February not to bring the matter up for another vote.                          
                                                                               
(Tape #94, Side A switched to Side B at 6:45 p.m.)                             
                                                                               
Glen Wright, Mayor of Delta Junction advised that he was now                   
available via teleconference from Delta Junction.  He said                     
he could stay on line, pending the wishes of the Co-chairman                   
but he had a council meeting beginning in about fifteen                        
minutes.  Briefly commenting on the election he did not                        
understand how there could be seven hundred signatures                         
opposing the prison.  He said the election had been                            
conducted fairly.  The final vote count was six hundred                        
forty "yes" votes and three hundred ninety-six "no" votes.                     
These were registered voters or individuals that were                          
allowed to register at the time of voting.                                     
                                                                               
Senator Sharp asked what part the City of Delta Junction                       
would play in the whole process?                                               
                                                                               
Mayor Wright said according to what was printed in the bill                    
the City would only be a medium.  The Governor must first                      
sign the bill before anything could happen.  Senator Sharp                     
further asked if the City would be the vehicle whereby the                     
property passes from the State or the military to the                          
private party and Mayor Wright concurred.  He said they were                   
not the reuse authority.                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson asked the Mayor if residents of outlying                     
areas as well as city residents were allowed to vote?  Mayor                   
Wright responded "yes".  Senator Torgerson asked if there                      
was a tally of city residents.  Mayor Wright said the City                     
of Delta Junction had a total of two hundred eighteen                          
ballots.  He did not have the voting breakdown.  Senator                       
Torgerson asked if the bill passed where another vote be                       
conducted.  Mayor Wright did not see any reason to hold                        
another vote if the bill passed.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson asked Co-chair Pearce if the seven hundred                   
signature petition was part of the committee file?  Co-chair                   
Pearce said that Representative Mulder indicated to her that                   
they did not have the signature petition.  However, an                         
unidentified individual from the audience said he had the                      
petition in hand with over seven hundred signatures.                           
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce said there being no further questions for                      
the Mayor he could be excused to attend his City council                       
meeting.  She then continued testimony via teleconference.                     
                                                                               
CHARLES ABBOT via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION said he                   
felt the Delta Coalition ran the election.  They did the                       
advertising, printed the ballots, and had the voting run by                    
their office.  He said that Mr. Ray Woodruff refused to make                   
the registered voter list public.  Mr. Abbott said he                          
questioned the registered voter list and the vote.                             
                                                                               
LIO moderator advised that Mr. Dan Beck had to leave the                       
teleconference hearing.                                                        
                                                                               
KIM PURUCKER via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION                            
testified that he was a member of the election board.  He                      
did work the election and felt that Mr. Abbott's comments                      
were not valid.  He further stated that the coalition did                      
not have the key to the ballot box, but rather the election                    
board did.  Everything was run according to election                           
standards.  He said he would also like to see the seven                        
hundred signature petition.                                                    
                                                                               
SUSAN KEMP via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION testified                    
that she would also like to see the petition signatures                        
checked.  She did support the concept of the prison.  She                      
would like to see more of a competitive bid process in order                   
to give the community more control over what goes on.  She                     
felt it would help to alleviate some of the valid concerns                     
the residents have.                                                            
                                                                               
SAM DIGHTON via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION testified                   
in opposition to HB 53.  He said the only reason the school                    
system was embracing the prison facility was because they                      
were worried about losing jobs.  He said he was notified on                    
the thirteenth by a letter from the coalition regarding the                    
upcoming vote on the seventeenth, however he was unaware                       
that he could register to vote at that time.  He felt many                     
people were left in the dark about the voting procedure.                       
                                                                               
NANCI RUTHSCHILD-KENNEDY via teleconference from DELTA                         
JUNCTION testified that most residents were told to vote                       
"yes" even if they weren't sure because they would get                         
another chance to vote later.  Many individuals have changed                   
their mind now.  She said that there were over thirty                          
individuals who were pressing to acquire the facility to use                   
for their own businesses.                                                      
                                                                               
BILL PUGH via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION testified                     
that he did not support HB 53.  He said he had been                            
listening to all the testimony and not one individual had                      
testified they were willing to work there.   He said he                        
himself intended to work somewhere, but not at a prison that                   
was only going to pay menial wages.  He said guards being                      
paid a menial wage would have to supplement their income by                    
going into the prison with their pockets full of one thing                     
and coming out with them full of another thing.  He felt the                   
community had a bad enough problem with drugs and this was                     
only dividing them further.  He also felt the voting                           
procedure was unfair because there was only four day notice                    
given.  He told the committee that the coalition was                           
representing local businesses and not the residents of the                     
community.                                                                     
                                                                               
ROY KENNEDY via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION testified                   
that he opposed the bill and the election.  He said at a                       
town meeting on the fifteenth, the coalition told the                          
residents that this was not a done deal and one could change                   
their mind.                                                                    
                                                                               
DIANA GLOTFELTY via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION                         
testified that she was in favor of the prison.  There are no                   
jobs in Delta and she noted the prison would provide jobs                      
for her two daughters, allowing them to remain in Delta.                       
(Poor quality teleconference noted.)                                           
                                                                               
WILBUR ST.JOHN via teleconference from DELTA JUNCTION urged                    
the committee to pass the bill.                                                
                                                                               
HUGH DOOGAN via teleconference from FAIRBANKS referred also                    
to his written testimony sent to the committee.  He reviewed                   
the cost of an eight hundred bed facility at $63/day and                       
said it would cost the State for twenty years about $366                       
million.  He said a new prison could be built for less than                    
this and it would last more than twenty years.  He said                        
Allvest's experience in operating a juvenile detention                         
center in Washington and half-way houses in Alaska was a far                   
cry from operating a prison.                                                   
                                                                               
GILBERT BOOTH via teleconference from FAIRBANKS said he had                    
a degree in justice and political science.  He had done                        
studies on prisons run both by the State and private                           
industry.  He felt the passage of HB 53 would greatly help                     
the economy in Delta Junction and that it was a step in the                    
right direction.                                                               
                                                                               
FRANK SMITH via teleconference from BARROW said he had                         
worked as an administrator of services contracts at the                        
Palmer Pre-trial facility.  He said he was very concerned                      
about HB 53.  The State was on extremely slippery slope with                   
this bill and felt that the residents of Delta Junction had                    
been sold a slap-dash proposal.  He cautioned the                              
Legislature that once they made this twenty-year contract                      
they were going to be stuck with it.                                           
                                                                               
BILL PARKER via teleconference from KENAI voiced his concern                   
about the wages of $16/hr at the prison in Delta saying this                   
was not an honest living wage.  He said private prisons did                    
not work one hundred years ago and there is no evidence they                   
will work now.  He noted they have high turnover, low                          
training and a high abuse of inmates.                                          
                                                                               
RONALD WILSON via teleconference from NOME cautioned the                       
residents of Delta, saying working at a prison facility was                    
no just a job for anyone.                                                      
                                                                               
FRANK GOLD via teleconference from FAIRBANKS said the bill                     
was inappropriate to be going through on a fast track.  He                     
suggested looking at two or three smaller prisons.  He                         
opposed the bill as it was drafted.  He advised the                            
committee that he had sent in written comments to Senator                      
Sharp.  Senator Sharp said his correspondence would be                         
distributed to the committee.                                                  
                                                                               
WAYNE CARPENTER via teleconference from ANCHORAGE said he                      
was a general contractor from Delta Junction.  He voiced                       
concern about the bidding process issue.  He said it was                       
seemingly corrupt and unbelievably slanted towards Allvest.                    
                                                                               
(Tape #94, Side B switched to #95, Side A.)                                    
                                                                               
He said the bill should be amended to state in section 4                       
that the Commissioner of Corrections must require agreement                    
with the City of Delta Junction and that the City of Delta                     
Junction procures a private third-party operator through a                     
process similar to the procedure established in Alaska                         
Statute 36.30, State Procurement Code.                                         
                                                                               
LESLIE KIRK and RUSS BOWDRE were invited to join the                           
committee.  Mr. Bowdre said they were from Delta Junction                      
and he was here to testify on behalf of many concerned                         
citizens from Delta Junction.   He voiced concern about what                   
was taking place.  He said he was in charge of the roads and                   
grounds section and heavy maintenance out at Fort Greely.                      
In reference to the number of registered voters he said                        
there were 910 registered voters.  Approximately 396 "no"                      
votes and 514 "yes" votes.  Approximately 218 voters were                      
actually from Delta Junction.  Mr. Bowdre said he was                          
against the prison, along with many other concerned                            
citizens.  They feel that if there has to be a prison it                       
should be a State prison and up for bid.  He suggested the                     
Legislature really look at a prison in Delta Junction.                         
Another possibility would be to expand existing prisons                        
therefore incurring no new administrative costs.                               
                                                                               
Mr. Kirk introduced himself to the committee and said he was                   
Retired Commander of Fort Greely.  He felt this whole                          
proposal was set up by a coalition consisting of the                           
business people of the City of Delta Junction.  He was                         
concerned because the residents had been told they could                       
change their vote regarding the prison at a later time,                        
however, there was no second election.  In referring to the                    
seven hundred signature petition against the prison he said                    
most people just want a legal vote by the residents of Delta                   
Junction on whether to have the prison or not.                                 
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked Mr. Kirk and Mr. Bowdre if they had read                   
the coalition's agreement signed behind closed doors and                       
both gentlemen advised they had.  Senator Adams asked when                     
would Allvest wholly own the prison.  Mr. Bowdre said,                         
according to the agreement, the local reuse authority agrees                   
to immediately transfer title to the City of Delta Junction                    
and they agree to immediately transfer title over to                           
Allvest.  It would go in five year increments for a specific                   
period of time.                                                                
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked if there was any other reuse besides a                     
prison for Fort Greely.  Mr. Kirk said there had been no                       
response from any Federal or State agencies that had been                      
contacted regarding the reuse of Fort Greely.  Mr. Bowdre                      
informed the committee that on the 14th of July 2001 BRAC                      
would die at Fort Greely and it would then go back to the                      
U.S. Army for reuse in any way they see fit.  Therefore, if                    
the Governor did not sign the bill, regulations say that it                    
could be sold.                                                                 
                                                                               
(Co-chair Pearce recessed the committee for five minutes.                      
She reconvened the meeting at approximately 8:07 p.m.)                         
                                                                               
Representative Eldon Mulder was invited to join the                            
committee.  He said he did not mind differing opinions,                        
however it was important to apply the facts to the                             
situation.  He corrected the record by referring to a memo                     
to House Finance Co-chairman Mark Hanley dated 27 February                     
1998.  It stated that Fort Greely was $10/day less than                        
expanding the Palmer facility.  Representative Mulder                          
further stated that he did not think it would actually cost                    
$70/day at Fort Greely.                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked if the cost would be approximately                         
$65/day per bed?  Representative Mulder said the number had                    
been debated in House Finance for a considerable length of                     
time.  The $70/day figure had been settled on because it                       
would give them an adequate level to provide some security                     
for the State, and at the same time could justify                              
incremental increase over Arizona.  These would be in-State                    
jobs and the economy would be coming in-State, providing a                     
stable tax base for a local community.                                         
                                                                               
In response to a request by Representative Mulder that he be                   
allowed to comment on any amendments presented on the bill,                    
Co-chair Pearce said the committee would be happy to                           
accommodate him.                                                               
                                                                               
ROSS KINNEY, Deputy Commissioner, Treasury Division,                           
Department of Revenue was invited to join the committee.  He                   
believed that the State of Alaska could finance this project                   
much cheaper than any third-party or private vendor could.                     
He said by using certificates of participation, and                            
agreements like those used in Seward and throughout the                        
State, they would be in a position to finance this cheaper                     
and in the end have ownership of the facility.   He said as                    
it was, Allvest would be able to refinance the facility and                    
garner the savings.  He also added that they were in a                         
situation where the debt payment was a result of the lease                     
payment made by the State of Alaska to whomever.   It would                    
be placed as collateral for payment of the debt and they                       
would be locked in to being ultimately responsible for the                     
retirement of the debt regardless of who the owner of the                      
facility was.                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked if Mr. Kinney had a proposed amendment                     
the committee might look at regarding his concerns.  Mr.                       
Kinney said he did not have any specific language at hand,                     
but said it could be prepared in short order and provided                      
the committee.                                                                 
                                                                               
Senator Sharp asked if Mr. Kinney's opinion would be the                       
same if the State were to finance the Anchorage jail.                          
                                                                               
Mr. Kinney said that if the State were to finance that                         
project they could also do that one cheaper and felt more                      
comfortable with a government to government relationship.                      
                                                                               
Senator Phillips asked Mr. Kinney if he were speaking in                       
opposition to the bill on behalf of the Administration.                        
Mr. Kinney said he had not taken any position on the bill                      
with exception to the finance aspects, as to whether either                    
should be done.                                                                
                                                                               
J. FRANK PREWITT was invited to join the committee.  He said                   
the State of Alaska was currently purchasing correctional                      
services from the Corrections Corporation of America,                          
through a facility owned and operated by the Corrections                       
Corporation of America.  The State was satisfied to purchase                   
these services in order to relieve the overcrowding                            
situation when they entered into contract with them about                      
three years ago and at the prices the CCA was able to                          
accommodate.  He said this was an Alaska corporation who                       
after three years of impasse on how to address the question                    
of the Alaska prison crisis, took the initiative to go out                     
to Fort Greely, talk to the coalition to learn about the                       
base reutilization process, and who participated in a                          
Federal competitive procurement process.  In order to do                       
this they had to assess whether or not the facility was                        
feasible to become a correctional facility and would be                        
cost-effective.  He said the community, through an election                    
process, determined this was an acceptable reuse of the                        
facility.  He said this was the "Allvest proposal" that was                    
before the community and not a generic proposal.  He said                      
they were offering to the State of Alaska a solution that                      
would help the economic welfare of the City of Delta                           
Junction and will offer the State a competitively priced                       
solution for prison overcrowding.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Adams asked about the competitive process and noted                    
that it would be difficult for other contractors to bid                        
since Allvest has the facilities.  He asked if Allvest would                   
be willing to give another bidder a good deal on the                           
facilities.  Mr. Prewitt said Allvest supported the                            
provision of HB 53 that required the City of Delta Junction                    
to enter into a procurement process for the purchase of the                    
operating services.  But he further stated that the contract                   
with the Corrections Corporation of America was a sole                         
source contract entered into by the Department of                              
Corrections.  There was no bidding process.  He said it was                    
not uncommon for the State of Alaska to negotiate for unique                   
services.  For instance, the State of Alaska negotiates for                    
lease space for offices and oil lease royalties.  He noted                     
the State had been offered the opportunity to have Fort                        
Greely but they had not responded.  The idea was developed                     
entirely by Allvest, an Alaska corporation.  Two                               
corporations that have now shown an interest are both out of                   
State, hostile to an Alaska company, that is trying to do a                    
project in the best interest of the State.                                     
                                                                               
Senator Adams said he did not believe the amendments were                      
hostile and that they were good for business.  Mr. Prewitt                     
said Allvest was still willing to compete in the procurement                   
process.                                                                       
                                                                               
REPRESENTATIVE MULDER rejoined the committee at this point.                    
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce said if there was no other testimony to be                     
taken or questions by the committee they would now move to                     
amendments.                                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Parnell MOVED amendment #1.  Senator Adams OBJECTED                    
and then REMOVED his objection.  WITHOUT OBJECTION amendment                   
                                                                               
Senator Sharp MOVED amendment #2.  Senator Adams OBJECTED to                   
page 3, line 14.  Senator Sharp said the first part of the                     
amendment was a technical change of "may" to "shall" and the                   
rest of the amendment dealt with the Anchorage jail.  He                       
said by loading in the specific figures this would provide a                   
safeguard.  Senator Adams said the question should be                          
divided.  He said the first section dealt with Delta                           
Junction prison and the remaining sections dealt with                          
Anchorage.  This was two different subjects.  Senator Sharp                    
had no objection to the question being divided.  WITHOUT                       
OBJECTION Co-chair Pearce noted that amendment 2(A) would be                   
page 3, line 14 and amendment 2(B) would be the remaining                      
three sections of the amendment.                                               
                                                                               
Representative Mulder said the issue had been discussed in                     
House Finance.  They wanted to afford Delta Junction the                       
same opportunities.                                                            
                                                                               
(Tape #95, Side B switched to #96, Side A.)                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
Senator Donley OBJECTED to amendment #2(A) and then WITHDREW                   
his objection.  WITHOUT OBJECTION amendment #2(A) was                          
ADOPTED.                                                                       
                                                                               
There followed miscellaneous conversation between committee                    
members regarding amendment #2(B).  Senator Donley said the                    
amendment could be dealt with conceptually.  Therefore,                        
amendment #2(B) was amended as follows:  Page 4, line 6 the                    
amount of "$125,000" was deleted and the amount of                             
"$146,000" was inserted and on Page 4, line 7 the amount of                    
"$12,000" was deleted and the amount of $16,700" was                           
inserted.  Senator Donley WITHDREW his objection.  WITHOUT                     
OBJECTION amendment #2(B) was ADOPTED.                                         
                                                                               
Senator Sharp MOVED conceptually amended amendment #2 and                      
WITHOUT OBJECTION it was ADOPTED.                                              
                                                                               
Senator Phillips MOVED amendment #3.  He explained to the                      
committee that the amendment had been amended by hand to                       
reflect the correct page and line numbers.  Senator Sharp                      
OBJECTED.  By a roll call vote of four yeas (Pearce, Donley,                   
Phillips, Parnell) and three nays (Sharp, Torgerson, Adams)                    
amendment #3 was ADOPTED.                                                      
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson MOVED amendment #4.  As a technical                          
correction he noted that only lines four through eight of                      
the amendment were valid.  Senator Donley OBJECTED.                            
Representative Mulder said he also opposed the amendment.                      
                                                                               
Commissioner Pugh rejoined the committee and in response to                    
a question from Senator Phillips explained the bid process.                    
                                                                               
MARJORIE VANDOR, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Division,                   
Department of Law was invited to join the committee.  She                      
explained the procurement code.  There followed                                
miscellaneous discussion between Senators Torgerson,                           
Phillips and Parnell.                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Donley maintained his OBJECTION.  By a roll call                       
vote of three yeas (Torgerson, Phillips, Adams) and four                       
nays (Pearce, Sharp, Parnell, Donley) amendment #4 FAILED.                     
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson MOVED amendment #5.  There was OBJECTION.                    
Representative Mulder also opposed the amendment.  He said                     
the facility at Fort Greely would provide eight hundred beds                   
at a great price.  By a roll call vote of two yeas                             
(Torgerson, Adams) and five nays (Pearce, Sharp, Parnell,                      
Donley, Phillips) amendment #5 FAILED.                                         
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson MOVED amendment #6.  Senator Donley                          
OBJECTED.  Representative Mulder also opposed to the                           
amendment.   Senator Donley said there was an immediate                        
overcrowding problem and it needed to be resolved in a                         
specific time frame.  By a roll call vote of two yeas                          
(Torgerson, Phillips) and five nays (Pearce, Sharp, Parnell,                   
Donley, Adams) amendment #6 FAILED.                                            
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson MOVED amendment #7.  Senator Donley                          
OBJECTED.  Representative Mulder also opposed the amendment.                   
The presence of Senator Jerry Ward was noted for the record.                   
He concurred with the opposition of Representative Mulder.                     
He felt the amendment was not applicable to a short-term                       
fix.  By a roll call vote two yeas (Torgerson, Adams) and                      
five nays (Pearce, Sharp, Donley, Parnell, Phillips)                           
amendment #7 FAILED.                                                           
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson MOVED amendment #8.  Senator Donley                          
OBJECTED.  Representative Mulder also opposed the amendment.                   
By a roll call vote of three yeas (Sharp, Torgerson, Adams)                    
and four nays (Pearce, Parnell, Donley, Phillips) amendment                    
                                                                               
Senator Adams MOVED amendment #9.  Senator Donley OBJECTED.                    
Representative Mulder also opposed the amendment.                              
                                                                               
(Tape #96, Side A switched to Side B.)                                         
                                                                               
Senator Adams said Alaska sometimes had short-term inmates                     
from somewhere else.  He did not have any objection to                         
prisoners being shipped outside Alaska because it allowed                      
them to be closer to their home locations.  It was a way for                   
"blue tickets".  He felt the amendment would save the State                    
money.                                                                         
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce asked Senator Adams if his corrected                           
amendment deleted the amount of "800" on line eight, and                       
inserted the amount of "500".  Senator Adams indicated this                    
was correct and the Secretary was asked to make this                           
correction on the amendment.                                                   
                                                                               
By a roll call vote of two yeas (Adams, Torgerson) and five                    
nays (Pearce, Sharp, Donley, Parnell, Phillips) amendment #9                   
FAILED.                                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Adams MOVED amendment #10.  Co-chair Pearce                            
OBJECTED.  Representative Mulder also opposed the amendment.                   
Senator Adams said the bush also had problems with crime and                   
overcrowding in the facilities.  This amendment would allow                    
expansion of the Yukon-Kuskokwim Correctional Center in                        
Bethel.                                                                        
                                                                               
Representative Mulder said the reason he and House Finance                     
opposed this amendment was because they were looking at the                    
possibility of placing offenders in "halfway houses" and                       
require culturally relevant programs to be instituted.                         
                                                                               
By a roll call vote of two yeas (Adams, Torgerson) and five                    
nays (Pearce, Sharp, Donley, Parnell, Phillips) amendment                      
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce advised the committee that there was a                         
Letter of Intent offered by the House Rules Committee and                      
was in members' files.  She asked the committee to be                          
prepared to decide whether or not they wanted to move that                     
Letter forward with the bill.                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Adams moved amendment #11.  Senator Phillips                           
OBJECTED.  Representative Mulder also opposed the amendment.                   
Senator Adams noted that due to fire code violations the                       
facility in Barrow was due to be closed.  This amendment                       
would allow for a lease-purchase agreement for a facility in                   
the North Slope Borough.                                                       
                                                                               
By a roll call vote of one yea (Adams) and six nays (Pearce,                   
Sharp, Donley, Torgerson, Parnell, Phillips) amendment #11                     
FAILED.                                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Donley MOVED the Letter of Intent, dated 3/2/98 and                    
WITHOUT OBJECTION it was ADOPTED and ordered sent to the                       
floor accompanying the bill.                                                   
                                                                               
Senator Sharp asked the Department of Corrections to provide                   
an estimated cost per day on the Anchorage facility.                           
Commissioner Pugh said she did not have those figures with                     
her but they would be provided the committee as soon as                        
possible.  Ms. Knuth advised the committee that with the                       
capitalization of the construction money being added in, the                   
costs just went up.  Senator Sharp indicated that it would                     
add $33 million to the twenty-year total.   Ms. Knuth said                     
they would work on it and provide the information to the                       
committee.  Co-chair Pearce thanked her and the                                
Commissioner.                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Adams requested that Mr. Kinney be recalled to join                    
the committee.  He asked that with the way the bill was                        
written did it allow for State bond participation?  Mr.                        
Kinney said that the way the bill was currently written it                     
did not.  Senator Adams wanted to know the excess costs in                     
State versus the Delta facility and then State versus the                      
Anchorage facility in order to see the difference.  Mr.                        
Kinney said he had no idea what the numbers were on the                        
Delta facility project.  He indicated the problem was a                        
private corporation utilizing State credit with a number of                    
intermediaries in between.  Anchorage had basically the same                   
problem.  They were going to be pledging the payment stream                    
from the State of Alaska, as the collateral for the debt in                    
order to make their payments.  He reiterated that his major                    
concerns regarding the bill were the financial issues.                         
                                                                               
Senator Lincoln said she appreciated the committee's                           
diligence in listening to long hours of testimony and their                    
consideration of the bill.  She knows the decision is a very                   
difficult one.                                                                 
                                                                               
Senator Adams requested the Department of Law to review AS                     
33.30.031 in section 6 and asked what was being left out.                      
Ms. Knuth explained that AS 33.30.031 (a) required the                         
Commissioner to make a finding that, "there are no beds                        
available in-State before sending prisoners out of the                         
State."  And by holding that section as not applicable for                     
the Fort Greely prison usage enables the Commissioner to                       
send prisoners to Arizona even if there is space available                     
at Delta Junction.                                                             
                                                                               
Senator Donley MOVED SCS CSHB 53(FIN) with accompanying                        
Letter of Intent, fiscal notes and individual                                  
recommendations and WITHOUT OBJECTION the bill was REPORTED                    
OUT.  Accompanying fiscal notes were:  Department of                           
Administration/Leasing, zero; Department of Revenue, zero                      
and Department of Corrections, $395.8.                                         
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce recessed the committee for a five minute                       
break at approximately 9:30 p.m.  She reconvened the                           
committee at approximately 9:40 p.m. to consider HB 461.                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
 HOUSE BILL NO. 461                                                            
                                                                               
"An Act making supplemental and special appropriations;                        
and providing for an effective date."                                          
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 461(FIN)                                                
                                                                               
"An Act making supplemental and special appropriations                         
and amending appropriations; and providing for an                              
effective date."                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce introduced SCS CSHB 461(FIN), work draft,                      
that had already been adopted by the committee.  She advised                   
the committee that it was before them for any questions and                    
discussion the committee may have but there would be no                        
public testimony.  Attached to the work draft was a copy of                    
a spread sheet from Legislative Finance and how the bill                       
currently looked.  There were some proposed amendments also                    
in members' files.                                                             
                                                                               
Senator Donley requested that the Department of Fish and                       
Game come to the table.   The committee was advised that the                   
front door of the building was locked and they were                            
temporarily waiting for departmental personnel to arrive.                      
Co-chair Pearce then said they would go to amendments.                         
                                                                               
Senator Phillips MOVED amendment #6.  Senator Torgerson                        
OBJECTED.  Senator Phillips said the amendment would provide                   
funds to redo the Tok Cut-off.  He felt this was a project                     
that needed to be done as soon as possible.  Senator                           
Torgerson said that if the committee was really serious                        
about rewriting projects in the STIP and coming forth with                     
projects that had been ignored around the State it was not                     
proper to take $9 million off the table.  This was just a                      
project that was brought forward by the department.  He                        
referred to a letter from the Commissioner just handed out                     
to committee members regarding the Soldotna Bridge that was                    
going to have to go on weight restrictions and the promise                     
that they would take care of that with first available                         
funding.  There were many other repair projects and this                       
request did not stand any test as far as ranking amongst                       
other projects around the State.                                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams said under the Alaska National Highways                          
system, this section of road was the worst section.  He                        
concurred with the amendment because it would help in public                   
safety.  It would also help in long-term economic                              
development of the roads for tourism.  He also agrees with                     
his colleague from Kasilof and noted that all three                            
amendments were good projects.                                                 
                                                                               
Senator Sharp said that in Commissioner Perkins' letter it                     
was stated that the project was contained in the 1998 STIP.                    
Senator Torgerson responded saying that a couple of projects                   
had been moved up and it was a combination from 1998.                          
Senator Sharp said his question was if it was included in                      
the 1998 STIP as a project as stated in the Commissioner's                     
letter, was it included for the amount of money being talked                   
about now?  He did not understand why it was being brought                     
up now.                                                                        
                                                                               
NANCY SLAGLE, Director, Administrative Services, Department                    
of Transportation and Public Facilities was invited to join                    
the committee.  She said the 1998 capital budget was based                     
on a STIP that was developed several years ago.  She said it                   
included several projects due for construction between the                     
years 2000 and 2004.  She noted deterioration of the road                      
and weather conditions and said several of those projects                      
were consolidated into one single project now showing in the                   
1998 to 2000 STIP.  This was approved by the Federal Highway                   
Administration in February.                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Sharp said he did not get a total calculation from                     
the Department of Transportation of all the monies put into                    
the Tok Highway since 1989.  He noted that over the past                       
years approximately $15 million to $25 million per year have                   
been put into that road.  If it has not held up then there                     
are serious problems.                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Donley concurred with Senator Sharp.  He felt the                      
problem was there was no technology to rebuild the road and                    
make it stick.  He said it was on the edge of permafrost.                      
He said he had not been convinced by the department that                       
they had a plan to deal with this problem.  He further did                     
not understand why it was put in the fast-track                                
supplemental.  He asked Ms. Slagle that if the committee                       
authorized the requested amount of money how much could they                   
spend before the end of this fiscal year?  Ms. Slagle said                     
not all of it could be spent before 30 June.  The department                   
would spend it all during this construction season.  They                      
need the authority to go out to bid and then award a                           
contract prior to 30 June.  That's why they need all the                       
funds the sooner the better so the project could be                            
completed during the construction season.                                      
                                                                               
Senator Donley voiced his continued concern.  He said this                     
project did not rise to the level to be the only road                          
project in the fast-track supplemental.  There were other                      
road projects needing quicker attention.                                       
                                                                               
Senator Phillips recalled the only repair to the road was                      
fourteen miles done in 1984 - 1985.  The rest went back to                     
the mid-60's.  He said much of the road was its original                       
construction.                                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked if anything extraordinary happened to                    
the Tok Highway in the last six month to one year that was                     
not anticipated before?  Ms. Slagle said the weather                           
conditions of last summer aggravated the problems that were                    
found on the road.  It had caused a larger concern on the                      
part of those who had to travel it, including the                              
independent traveler and the trucking industry.  Senator                       
Parnell said he shared the concerns of Senators Donley and                     
Torgerson.  However, he felt that there were other roads                       
that could be considered in the fast-track supplemental.                       
                                                                               
Senator Sharp said there had been promises made that the                       
original section of the Alaska Highway road was going to be                    
repaired for the past five years.  He noted how narrow the                     
road was and that said there was not ten inches of shoulder                    
either side of the road.  He said however, that he would                       
vote in favor of this amendment because the road was a vital                   
link to get the tourists into Anchorage and Fairbanks.                         
                                                                               
Senator Donley said he would like to vote in favor of this                     
amendment but he did not see the distinction of this road                      
and other really imperative transportation projects around                     
the State.  He felt the department had not made a good case                    
and said the department had such a bizarre record in how                       
they had manipulated the STIP over the years.                                  
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson said he thought the debate had been good                     
and had no objection to seeing the project going forward,                      
however, not in this form.  In referring again to the                          
Soldotna River bridge he said it had been constructed in                       
1962 and felt it would rank higher than the Tok Highway                        
project.                                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Phillips reiterated this was the worst section of                      
the road.  Both international truckers and American Customs                    
had complained to him regarding the condition of the road.                     
                                                                               
By a roll call vote of four yeas (Pearce, Sharp, Phillips,                     
Adams) and three nays (Torgerson, Parnell, Donley) amendment                   
                                                                               
Senator Adams MOVED amendment #7.  Co-chair Pearce objected.                   
By a roll call vote of one yea (Adams) and six nays (Pearce,                   
Sharp, Donley, Torgerson, Parnell, Phillips) amendment #7                      
FAILED.                                                                        
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson MOVED amendment #8. Senator Sharp                            
OBJECTED.  Senator Torgerson explained that these were                         
projects promised by the Department of Transportation.  The                    
Kenai Bridge needed to have been done a long time ago.  Co-                    
chair Pearce asked if the bridge project had been                              
authorized.  Senator Torgerson said it was in the STIP on                      
page eight.                                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Donley felt the amendment included two projects and                    
it therefore should be divided.  Amendment #8(A) would                         
become the Soldotna Urban and Kenai River Bridge and                           
amendment 8(B) would become the Funny River Road.  (pause on                   
record)  Senator Donley MOVED the division of amendment #8                     
as explained and WITHOUT OBJECTION it was so ORDERED.                          
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked if this was different that the                           
previous amendment.  Co-chair Pearce indicated that this was                   
a request by the Administration but did not mean that the                      
Senate Finance Committee had to include it as she was                          
uncomfortable adding new projects.  The whole mission was to                   
cut down the supplemental to fit into $16.5 million.  To                       
begin adding back, in her opinion, in budget parlance, was                     
going in the wrong direction.  She did, however, understand                    
Senator Torgerson's frustration with the Department of                         
Transportation.  She asked for the correct figures before                      
the committee took any action.                                                 
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson advised the correct numbers for amendment                    
Federal funds and $805,000 general fund match.                                 
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce asked Senator Sharp, since he was doing the                    
capital budget if he had any comments.  Senator Sharp said                     
with the flexibility the department showed in regards to the                   
STIP, therefore the committee was entitled to some                             
flexibility when writing the budget and what is put in the                     
STIP.                                                                          
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson moved amendment #8(A) and by a roll call                     
vote of four yeas (Donley, Torgerson, Parnell, Adams) and                      
three nays (Pearce, Sharp, Phillips) it was ADOPTED.                           
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson then advised the correct numbers for                         
amendment #8(B).  The breakdown for the amount of $4,200,000                   
was:  $3,820,800 Federal funds and $379,200 in general                         
funds.  Senator Sharp moved that #8(B) be amended to take                      
the GF out of SLA 1996 GF, same as in the description of the                   
Tok Highway.  Senator Adams OBJECTED and then WITHDREW his                     
objection.  WITHOUT OBJECTION amended amendment #8(B) was                      
AMENDED.                                                                       
                                                                               
Senator Torgerson MOVED amended amendment #8(B) and by a                       
roll call vote of three yeas ((Sharp, Torgerson, Phillips)                     
and four nays (Pearce, Donley, Adams, Parnell) FAILED.                         
                                                                               
Senator Sharp MOVED to RESCIND adoption of amendment #8(A).                    
Senator Torgerson OBJECTED and then WITHDREW his objection.                    
WITHOUT OBJECTION action on amendment #8(A) was RESCINDED.                     
                                                                               
Senator Sharp MOVED to amend amendment #8(A) by                                
reappropriating $805,000 GF be taken out of SLA 1996 GF.                       
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce requested the committee take an at ease.                       
Upon reconvening the committee a roll call vote was taken on                   
amended amendment #8(A).  By a vote of six yeas (Sharp,                        
Adams, Parnell, Torgerson, Donley, Phillips) and one nay                       
(Pearce) amended amendment #8(A) was ADOPTED.                                  
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce requested the committee take another at                        
ease.  She reconvened the committee at approximately 11:00                     
p.m.                                                                           
                                                                               
Senator Donley MOVED to RESCIND committee action on                            
amendment #6.  Senator Torgerson OJBECTED.  By a roll call                     
vote of five yeas (Pearce, Sharp, Donley, Phillips, Parnell)                   
and two nays (Torgerson, Adams) committee action on                            
amendment #6 was RESCINDED.                                                    
                                                                               
Senator Donley MOVED rescinded amendment #6 and by a roll                      
call vote of six yeas (Pearce, Sharp, Donley, Phillips,                        
Adams, Parnell) and one nay (Torgerson) it was ADOPTED.                        
                                                                               
Senator Sharp MOVED to RESCIND committee action on amended                     
amendment #8(A).  Senator Torgerson OBJECTED.  By a roll                       
call vote five yeas and two nays it was RESCINDED.  Senator                    
Sharp MOVED amended amendment #8(A) and by a roll call vote                    
of two yeas (Torgerson, Adams) and five nays (Pearce, Sharp,                   
Parnell, Donley, Phillips) it FAILED.                                          
                                                                               
(Tape #96, Side B switched to Tape #97, Side A.)                               
                                                                               
Senator Adams MOVED amendment #10.  He said the amount of                      
$199,500 would be appropriated from the general fund, of                       
which the sum of $102.700 would go to the Department of Law                    
for the tort reform constitutional challenge and the sum of                    
$56,800 be appropriated form the general fund for the                          
Department of Fish and Game for land lease costs at the                        
Sikusuiliaq Hatchery for the fiscal year ending June 30,                       
1998.  Senator Donley OBJECTED.  Senator Adams spoke to his                    
amendment.  Senator Donley asked Senator Adams to explain                      
why the amount of $56,800 was needed.  Senator Adams said                      
2.5 acres of land was leased from a private individual by                      
the State of Alaska for a hatchery.  It was not funded and                     
therefore is passed lease payments that are owned to an                        
individual.  In further response to Senator Donley, Senator                    
Adams said the hatchery was closed now.  This was monies                       
owed to the individual.  By a roll call vote of one yea                        
(Adams) and six nays (Pearce, Sharp, Donley, Torgerson,                        
Parnell, Phillips) amendment #10 FAILED.                                       
                                                                               
Senator Donley advised Co-chair Pearce at this time he would                   
not be offering amendment #9.                                                  
                                                                               
Senator Donley requested the Department of Fish and Game be                    
called to join the committee.                                                  
                                                                               
KEVIN BROOKS, Director, Administrative Services, Department                    
of Fish and Game was invited to join the committee.  Senator                   
Donley asked him to explain "commercial fish" and "sport                       
fish" for the committee because the department had a very                      
confusing relationship between the two regarding funding.                      
He said there were certain Federal requirements regarding                      
the segregation of those funds.  Senator Donley said he had                    
asked the Commissioner for a clarification but received only                   
a philosophical reply.  He said he knew sport funds were                       
used indirectly but wanted to be assured they were not being                   
used improperly.                                                               
                                                                               
Mr. Brooks said the particular receipts in question for the                    
Sitka Test Fishery were test fisheries receipts and were                       
created last year.  They were generated by the department                      
contracting a vessel to go out and commercially fish prior                     
to the opening of a fishery.  Those fish taken were then                       
sold under the department's fish ticket and the funds were                     
used for management of that fishery.  He said this had                         
nothing to do with the Fish and Game fund or Federal aid                       
dollars.  It is a specific, distinct funding source, used                      
exclusively in the "com fish" side of the department.                          
                                                                               
Senator Donley said he understood that, but was afraid the                     
department was using sport fish funds to cover                                 
administrative costs.  Mr. Brooks said approximately six                       
percent of all contracts was assessed for an administrative                    
overhead which was covered by Federal aid dollars.  Fish and                   
Game funds were used within the Division of Administrative                     
Services primarily to run the licensing program to license                     
anglers and hunters throughout the State.  The third piece                     
of the budget was made up of general funds which is just                       
under $1 million.  That money benefits all divisions within                    
the department.  He further noted that every project they do                   
and every use of the dollars has to be approved by the                         
Federal granting agencies.  This was a fairly vigorous                         
approval process for expenditure of those funds.  They not                     
only go through a process with the State Legislature but                       
also the Federal granting agencies.                                            
                                                                               
Senator Parnell asked about the Bristol Bay incident wherein                   
fishermen were concerned about the State using a seiner in                     
the area and further that the waters were closed to                            
commercial fishermen.  He wanted to know how these receipts                    
were related to the Sitka herring roe; if these were                           
receipts from test fisheries in Southeast or were they                         
Statewide receipts.  Mr. Brooks said the receipts for the                      
Sitka herring fishery would occur in Sitka.  Receipts were                     
kept by region or area.  Any receipts generated in Bristol                     
Bay would be used in Bristol management.                                       
                                                                               
Senator Sharp MOVED SCS CSHB 461(FIN) and WITHOUT OBJECTION                    
it was REPORTED OUT with individual recommendations.                           
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce reviewed the schedule for tomorrow,                            
indicating the committee would meet again at 10:00 a.m. and                    
4:30 p.m.                                                                      
                                                                               
ADJOURNMENT                                                                    
                                                                               
Co-chair Pearce thanked fellow Senators and all staff for                      
remaining in session late into the evening.  She recessed                      
the committee at approximately 11:30 p.m.                                      
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