Legislature(1997 - 1998)

04/24/1997 08:41 AM FIN

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                             MINUTES                                           
                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                         April 24, 1997                                        
                            8:41 A.M.                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-97, # 127 Side 1 & 2                                                     
  Technical error resulted in  loss of a taped portion  of the                 
  meeting.                                                                     
  SFC-97, # 128, Side 1 (000-368)                                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Bert  Sharp,  Cochair,  Senate  Finance  Committee,                 
  convened the meeting at approximately 8:41 A.M.                              
                                                                               
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  In  addition  to  COCHAIR SHARP,  COCHAIR  PEARCE,  SENATORS                 
  PHILLIPS, PARNELL and  ADAMS were  present when the  meeting                 
  was convened.  SENATORS TORGERSON and DONLEY arrived  as the                 
  meeting was in progress.                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Also Attending:                                                              
  REPRESENTATIVE  ALAN  AUSTERMAN,  REPRESENTATIVE CON  BUNDE;                 
  CATHERINE  REARDON,  Director,   Division  of   Occupational                 
  Licensing, Department of  Commerce and Economic Development;                 
  ANNETTE  KREITZER,  Aide   to  Senate  Labor   and  Commerce                 
  Committee;   DEAN   PADDOCK,   Bristol    Bay   Driftnetters                 
  Association; SUE JORGENSEN, 17th  United States Coast  Guard                 
  District;  MARK   JOHNSON,  Chief,   Community  Health   and                 
  Emergency Medical Services, Department  of Health and Social                 
  Services;  BETTY  MARTIN,  Comptroller,  Treasury  Division,                 
  Department  of Revenue;  BRETT HUBER,  Legislative Staff  to                 
  Senator   Halford;   MICHAEL  MORGAN,   Manager,  Facilities                 
  Section,  Department  of   Education  (DOE);  MICHAEL  FORD,                 
  Attorney, Legislative Legal and Research Services; JOHN CYR,                 
  President, NEA-Alaska;  DR. NANCY BUELL,  Director, Teaching                 
  and  Learning Support,  DOE; TUCKERMAN  BABCOCK, Legislative                 
  Aide to Senator Green; and aides to committee members.                       
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Also Attending via Teleconference:                                           
  JOE  MACINKO, Commercial  Fisherman,  Kodiak; JERRY  DZUGAN,                 
  Alaska Marine  Safety Education Association  (AMSEA), Sitka;                 
  JIM HERBERT, Alaska Vocational Technical School, Seward.                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
       HB 133 ARCHITECTS, ENGINEERS & SURVEYORS                                
                                                                               
       Testimony  was heard from CATHERINE REARDON and ANNETTE                 
       KREITZER.    SENATOR   PARNELL  MOVED  the  bill   from                 
       committee  with  individual  recommendations.   Without                 
       objection, CSHB 133(L&C)  was REPORTED  OUT with a  new                 
       fiscal  note  from  the   Department  of  Commerce  and                 
       Economic Development.                                                   
       SB 88 BOARD OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTANCY                                       
                                                                               
       Testimony  was heard  from ANNETTE  KREITZER.   COCHAIR                 
       PEARCE  MOVED the bill  from committee  with individual                 
       recommendations.  Without  objection, CSSB  88(L&C) was                 
       REPORTED OUT  with  a new  zero  fiscal note  from  the                 
       Department of Commerce and Economic Development.                        
       HB 13 MARINE SAFETY TRAINING & EDUCATION                                
                                                                               
       REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN testified  on  behalf of  the                 
       bill.   SENATOR ADAMS  MOVED the  bill with  individual                 
       recommendations. COCHAIR SHARP objected for the purpose                 
       of examining the fiscal notes.   SENATOR ADAMS withdrew                 
       his motion.  Teleconference testimony in support of the                 
       bill  was heard from JOE  MACINKO, JERRY DZUGAN and JIM                 
       HERBERT.  Also testifying in support were DEAN PADDOCK,                 
       SUE JORGENSEN and MARK JOHNSON.   BETTY MARTIN answered                 
       questions.    SENATOR  PHILLIPS  MOVED  the  bill  from                 
       committee contingent on  receipt of a new  fiscal note.                 
       Without objection, CSHB 13(FIN)am was REPORTED OUT with                 
       a  previous  zero fiscal  note  from the  Department of                 
       Labor and a forthcoming fiscal note from the Department                 
       of Community and Regional Affairs (150.0).                              
       SB 11 SCHOOL DEBT REIMBURSEMENT                                         
                                                                               
       BRETT   HUBER   testified    regarding   the    changes                 
       incorporated  in the  work draft  CS, version F.   Also                 
       testifying were MICHAEL MORGAN and  MIKE FORD.  SENATOR                 
       PHILLIPS MOVED Amendment #4.   SENATOR ADAMS  objected.                 
       SENATOR PHILLIPS withdrew his motion and MOVED to adopt                 
       the work  draft CS.   SENATOR DONLEY  objected for  the                 
       purpose  of  discussion, then  withdrew  his objection.                 
       Without further  objection, CSSB  11(FIN) was  ADOPTED.                 
       SENATOR   PHILLIPS  MOVED   Amendment   #4.     Without                 
       objection, Amendment #4  was ADOPTED.   SENATOR  DONLEY                 
       MOVED  Amendment #5.    COCHAIR  SHARP  objected,  then                 
       withdrew  his objection.    SENATOR PHILLIPS  objected.                 
       Amendment #5 FAILED  by a 2  to 4 vote.   SENATOR ADAMS                 
       MOVED  Amendment   #6.    SENATOR   PHILLIPS  objected.                 
       Amendment #6 FAILED by a 2 to 4 vote.  Amendment #3 was                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
       not  offered.    CSSB  11(FIN)  was  HELD  for  further                 
       consideration.                                                          
                                                                               
                                                                               
       HB 145 TEACHING COMPETENCY EXAM FOR CERTIFICATION                       
                                                                               
       COCHAIR  PEARCE  MOVED  to adopt  the  SCS  work draft,                 
       version  H.    SENATOR  ADAMS   objected.    There  was                 
       discussion regarding  the fiscal  note.   SENATOR ADAMS                 
       withdrew  his  objection  and  SCS  CSHB  145(FIN)  was                 
       ADOPTED.     Testimony   was  heard   from  JOHN   CYR,                 
       REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  and DR.  NANCY  BUELL.   SENATOR                 
       DONLEY  MOVED   Amendment  #1.     Without   objection,                 
       Amendment #1  was ADOPTED.   COCHAIR  PEARCE MOVED  the                 
       bill  from  committee with  individual recommendations.                 
       SENATOR ADAMS objected.   By a vote of 5  to 2, SCSCSHB
       145(FIN)  was REPORTED  OUT  with a  forthcoming fiscal                 
       note from the Department of Education (100.0).                          
       SB 141 CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMITS                                        
                                                                               
       TUCKERMAN BABCOCK answered questions of the  committee.                 
       SENATOR  PARNELL MOVED  to rescind  previous action  in                 
       Reporting Out  CSSB 141(FIN).   Without objection,  the                 
       MOTION CARRIED and  the bill was before  the committee.                 
       SENATOR  PARNELL  MOVED Amendment  #5.   SENATOR  ADAMS                 
       objected, then withdrew his objection.   There being no                 
       further objection, Amendment #5  was ADOPTED.   SENATOR                 
       DONLEY  MOVED the bill  from committee  with individual                 
       recommendations.  SENATOR ADAMS objected.   By a 6 to 1                 
       vote, CSSB 141(FIN)  was REPORTED  OUT with a  previous                 
       fiscal note (5.0)  and two  previous zero fiscal  notes                 
       from the Department of Public Safety.                                   
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 133(L&C)                                               
  "An Act relating to regulation of architects, engineers, and                 
  land surveyors; extending the termination  date of the State                 
  Board  of Registration  for Architects, Engineers,  and Land                 
  Surveyors; and providing for an effective date."                             
                                                                               
  COCHAIR SHARP explained  that the  bill extended the  sunset                 
  date and changed the mix of members.                                         
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ADAMS  noted  a  recommendation  was  made  by  the                 
  Legislative  Budget  and Audit  Committee  (LBA) to  include                 
  financial  statements  of receipts  and expenditures  on all                 
  licensing  boards.   He  inquired  why  they  had  not  been                 
  incorporated into this bill.                                                 
                                                                               
  CATHERINE  REARDON,  Director,   Division  of   Occupational                 
  Licensing, Department of  Commerce and Economic Development,                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  explained that  the division  began including all  financial                 
  reports  in  their annual  report  this past  fall, although                 
  there was no statutory obligation.                                           
                                                                               
  In response to a  question from COCHAIR PEARCE, MS.  REARDON                 
  stated  that  it was  not unusual  to  operate with  an even                 
  number of members  because of  vacancies or conflicting  out                 
  during a vote.  COCHAIR PEARCE questioned the wisdom of even                 
  numbers  on  boards.   SENATOR  PARNELL  inquired  where the                 
  recommendation  for ten  members came  from.     MS. REARDON                 
  responded that  land surveyors had  requested an  additional                 
  member  for  some  time,  it  was  supported by  the  Alaska                 
  Professional Design Council  (APDC), and  it was a  decision                 
  made through the committee process.                                          
                                                                               
  ANNETTE   KREITZER,  Aide  to   Senate  Labor  and  Commerce                 
  Committee, informed the committee  that the questions raised                 
  so far also came up in the previous committee.  The bill was                 
  a result of  cooperation between  the department, the  board                 
  and the APDC.  The extra  position would be paid for by  the                 
  APDC fees, so  there was no fiscal impact.  The quorum issue                 
  had been discussed and it was  decided they could still make                 
  their quorum.   The justification for the  additional member                 
  was  the   increasing  number   of  applications   for  land                 
  surveyors.                                                                   
                                                                               
  COCHAIR  PEARCE noted  another LBA  Committee recommendation                 
  was  that  a mining  engineer  board  member  would  not  be                 
  justified because they  made up less  than 1 percent of  the                 
  membership.                                                                  
                                                                               
  SENATOR  PARNELL   MOVED  the  bill   from  committee   with                 
  individual   recommendations.     Without   objection,  CSHB
  133(L&C) was REPORTED  OUT with a  new fiscal note from  the                 
  Department of Commerce and Economic Development (2.5).                       
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 88                                                           
  "An  Act  relating  to  the  Board  of  Public  Accountancy;                 
  extending  the  termination  date  of  the Board  of  Public                 
  Accountancy; and providing for an effective date."                           
                                                                               
  At the cochair's  direction, ANNETTE  KREITZER gave a  brief                 
  overview of  the bill.   It followed recommendations  of the                 
  audit  regarding  clarification  of  the  licensing  process                 
  (Sections 3 and  4), repeal  of the temporary  certification                 
  (Section 7),  deletion of  conflicting provisions  regarding                 
  member terms and eligibility for reappointment.                              
                                                                               
  COCHAIR PEARCE MOVED the bill from committee with individual                 
  recommendations.   Without   objection,  CSSB   88(L&C)  was                 
  REPORTED OUT with a new zero fiscal note from the Department                 
  of Commerce and Economic Development.                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 13(FIN) am                                             
  "An Act  relating to  marine safety  training and  education                 
  programs."                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE ALAN AUSTERMAN stated the purpose of the bill                 
  was to continue the marine safety program in  the state.  He                 
  noted  the  state  did  not  have  a  water safety  program,                 
  although it was mandated by federal law, which resulted in a                 
  program  called  AMSEA   (Alaska  Marine  Safety   Education                 
  Association).   Federal funding was  drying up and  the bill                 
  was an attempt to continue the program with a funding source                 
  through the Fishermen's Fund interest earnings.                              
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ADAMS  inquired  how  much  money  would  be  used.                 
  REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN replied that  it would  be between                 
  $150 thousand to $235 thousand, depending on the market.                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR   ADAMS   MOVED  CSHB   13(FIN)am   with  individual                 
  recommendations.  COCHAIR SHARP objected  for the purpose of                 
  examining the fiscal notes.   He inquired about the  current                 
  cost of  the program,  noting there  was no  mention of  the                 
  amount in the fiscal note.                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE   AUSTERMAN   responded  that   all  interest                 
  earnings go into the general fund currently.  He pointed out                 
  that  the House Finance Committee zeroed the fiscal note and                 
  put the line  item into the  budget under the Department  of                 
  Community  and  Regional  Affairs.    There  was  additional                 
  discussion and explanation  about the fiscal note.   SENATOR                 
  PHILLIPS expressed his preference to see $150 thousand in  a                 
  fiscal note  rather than the budget.  COCHAIR SHARP directed                 
  a new fiscal note from the department be provided.                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SFC-97, # 127,  Side 1 (275)  - Technical error resulted  in                 
  loss of the taped portion of the meeting at this point.  The                 
  following portion of the meeting was taken from log notes.                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR ADAMS withdrew his motion to move CSHB 13(FIN)am.                    
                                                                               
  COCHAIR SHARP announced  he would  next take testimony  from                 
  teleconference participants.                                                 
                                                                               
  JOE MACINKO,  a commercial fisherman from  Kodiak, testified                 
  via teleconference.   He  supported the  bill and  commented                 
  that safety training goes a long way.                                        
                                                                               
  JERRY DZUGAN, of AMSEA, Sitka,  testified via teleconference                 
  in support.  He discussed the AMSEA program.                                 
                                                                               
  JIM  HERBERT,   of  Alaska   Vocational  Technical   School,                 
  testified  via  teleconference  from Seward.    He  spoke in                 
  support of the bill.                                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
  The following testimony was heard from  participants present                 
  in the committee room.                                                       
                                                                               
  DEAN PADDOCK, Bristol Bay Driftnetters Association, spoke in                 
  support.  He referred to an article in the May 1997 issue of                 
  National  Fisherman  regarding the  grassroots  movement for                 
  marine safety awareness that has  proven effective in saving                 
  lives.   He spoke in  support of AMSEA,  stated the need for                 
  marine safety programs and urged passage of the bill.                        
  SUE  JORGENSEN, 17th  United  States Coast  Guard  District,                 
  testified  in support of  the bill.   Marine safety training                 
  was absolutely necessary not only for those in coastal areas                 
  statewide, but also for inland boaters on lakes and rivers.                  
                                                                               
  MARK JOHNSON, Chief, Community Health and  Emergency Medical                 
  Services,  Department   of  Health   and  Social   Services,                 
  testified in support,  noting that research has  proven that                 
  lives have been saved through knowledge of marine safety.                    
                                                                               
  SENATOR PHILLIPS suggested moving the  bill out of committee                 
  with a forthcoming fiscal note.                                              
                                                                               
  In response to a question  from COCHAIR SHARP, BETTY MARTIN,                 
  Comptroller,  Treasury  Division,  Department   of  Revenue,                 
  responded that  the dedicated  fund was  constitutional, the                 
  interest currently goes  into the general fund, and  she saw                 
  no problem with the bill as written.                                         
                                                                               
  SENATOR PHILLIPS MOVED the bill from committee contingent on                 
  receipt  of  a new  fiscal  note.   Without  objection, CSHB
  13(FIN)am was  REPORTED OUT with a previous zero fiscal note                 
  from the Department  of Labor and a  forthcoming fiscal note                 
  from  the  Department  of  Community  and  Regional  Affairs                 
  (150.0).                                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 11                                                           
  "An Act relating to state aid for  school construction debt;                 
  and providing for an effective date."                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  BRETT HUBER, Legislative Staff to Senator Halford, addressed                 
  the committee.   He  called attention  to a  CS work  draft,                 
  version  F,  that was  before  the  committee  and noted  it                 
  incorporated  two   previously  adopted   amendments.     He                 
  discussed the amendments and pointed out  an error in the CS                 
  draft wording on page 4, line 8.  The word "payments" should                 
  be "projects."   He  brought  up the  retroactive clause  in                 
  Section 6.                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR ADAMS inquired what the Anchorage school debt was on                 
  a yearly basis.  MR. HUBER responded that the Anchorage bond                 
  issues   went  forward   without  Department   of  Education                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  approval, but he thought the department may have an estimate                 
  of the amount.                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR  SHARP  invited  the bill  drafter,  Mike  Ford, and                 
  Department of Education representative,  Mike Morgan, to the                 
  committee table.                                                             
                                                                               
  SENATOR ADAMS had  questions about the Anchorage  and Mat-Su                 
  bond issues and the retroactivity clause that were addressed                 
  by MR. HUBER.  MICHAEL  MORGAN, Manager, Facilities Section,                 
  Department of  Education (DOE), responded  to SENATOR ADAMS'                 
  questions also.                                                              
                                                                               
  SFC-97, # 127 Side 1 (500)                                                   
                                                                               
  COCHAIR   SHARP  inquired  if   the  retroactive  clause  in                 
  subsection (8) (page 4) opened a window for additional 70/30                 
  funding.   MICHAEL  FORD,  Attorney, Legislative  Legal  and                 
  Research  Services, indicated  that  the  issuance of  bonds                 
  would have to have the DOE commissioner's approval by July 1                 
  and be issued between July 1, 1995 and July 1, 1997.  It was                 
  determined  that it  would be unlikely  that a  bond package                 
  could be put together, voted on,  and approved by DOE before                 
  July 1, but it could open the door for Anchorage.                            
                                                                               
  End SFC-97 # 127, Side 1 (590)                                               
  Begin SFC-97 # 127, Side 2 (000)                                             
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ADAMS inquired  what the  retroactive  clause would                 
  cost the state.  Mr. Huber responded that DOE had  begun the                 
  analysis,  but  was  still   waiting  for  information  from                 
  Anchorage.   He estimated a  potential impact would  be $5.8                 
  million for Anchorage and Mat-Su projects.                                   
                                                                               
  There  was discussion about a fiscal  note dated 3/24/97 for                 
  $3.9 million which represented only Mat-Su reimbursement.                    
                                                                               
  MIKE FORD addressed technical changes to the bill that would                 
  make it consistent  with other provisions, as  referenced in                 
  his memorandum dated 4/10/97.                                                
                                                                               
  SENATOR PHILLIPS MOVED  the suggested  changes as  Amendment                 
  motion, then MOVED to adopt the CS work draft, version F, as                 
  CSSB 11(FIN).  Without objection, it was ADOPTED.                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR  PHILLIPS  MOVED  Amendment  #  4.   SENATOR  DONLEY                 
  objected for the  purpose of  discussion, then withdrew  his                 
  motion.    Without  further  objection,   Amendment  #4  was                 
  adopted.                                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONLEY MOVED Amendment #5, page 4, line 9, to delete                 
  "before  the sale  or  issuance of  debt  for the  project".                 
  COCHAIR  SHARP  objected,  spoke   to  his  objection,  then                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  withdrew  it.    SENATOR  PHILLIPS   objected.    There  was                 
  discussion about expanded eligibility of projects  resulting                 
  from the amendment.                                                          
                                                                               
  A roll call vote  was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  IN FAVOR: Adams, Donley                                                      
  OPPOSED:  Parnell, Phillips, Sharp, Pearce                                   
                                                                               
  Amendment #5 FAILED by a 2 to 4 vote.                                        
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ADAMS MOVED Amendment  #6, page  4, lines  7-14, to                 
  delete all material.  SENATOR PHILLIPS objected.                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  A roll call vote  was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment                 
  IN FAVOR: Adams, Sharp                                                       
  OPPOSED:  Parnell, Phillips, Donley, Pearce                                  
                                                                               
  Amendment #6 FAILED by a 2 to 4 vote.                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL  commented that  the fiscal  note was  open-                 
  ended in that there  was no cap on the amount  that could be                 
  bonded for,  so it was basically a blank check.  He inquired                 
  how much more could be expected above the $3.9 million.  MR.                 
  HUBER  was  unable to  provide  a  number but  spoke  of the                 
  sponsor's intent.   Voters  would scrutinize which  projects                 
  they  would approve because  they would  be paying  half the                 
  bill.   SENATOR PARNELL questioned how  reimbursements would                 
  fit in with  the majority spending plan and if that had been                 
  considered  by  the sponsor.    MR. HUBER  acknowledged that                 
  there could be impact, but school construction would have to                 
  come  from some  place.   Currently,  the only  mechanism is                 
  through capital  appropriations at 100 percent project cost.                 
  SENATOR  ADAMS  believed the  fiscal  note should  reflect a                 
  minimum  of  $5.8 million,  noting that  it  could go  up to                 
  between $12-15 million in  debt service.  He agreed  that it                 
  would blow the  five-year spending  plan out of  proportion,                 
  but he supported it as a good cause.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR SHARP commented that the  bill represented a portion                 
  of  the  majority's  comprehensive  education  package,  but                 
  problems exist in doing  it a piece at a  time, particularly                 
  with subsection (8).   He was supportive of the  50/50 share                 
  of the debt load.   He requested a revised fiscal  note that                 
  reflected the total  impact of additional debt  service that                 
  may  be  incurred due  to  bonds  that have  passed  and may                 
  qualify within the window provided under subsection (8).                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Amendment  #3 was not offered.  SENATOR ADAMS commented that                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  the bill takes  care of only one  segment of the state,  and                 
  the whole state should be considered.  He indicated he would                 
  keep the amendment  pending and  try to find  a solution  to                 
  take care of the "have nots."                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR SHARP requested  a report of  the last bond  package                 
  that passed  showing whether Mat-Su  got any of  that money.                 
  CSSB 11(FIN) was HELD for further consideration.                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR  SHARP announced a  ten minute recess  at 10:00 A.M.                 
  The meeting reconvened at 10:12 A. M.                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  End SFC-97, # 127, Side 2 (127)                                              
  Flip tape back to Side 1, (begins at 275)                                    
  CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 145(HES)                                               
  "An Act relating to certification of teachers."                              
                                                                               
  COCHAIR PEARCE noted the SCS work draft, version H, that was                 
  before  the  committee.   She  read  the  language  that was                 
  incorporated into the draft on page 2, line 3 "and for other                 
  charges assessed against teachers as part of certification";                 
  line 5: "relating to the certification of teachers"; line 6:                 
  "when  added to the other fees collected from teachers"; and                 
  line  7:  "to  the  fees  for  certification  of  teachers".                 
  COCHAIR PEARCE MOVED for  adoption of the work draft  as SCS                 
  CSHB 145(FIN).    SENATOR ADAMS  objected.   He inquired  if                 
  there was a new  fiscal note applicable to the  SCS and what                 
  services  teachers would  receive  for the  increased  cost.                 
  There was no new fiscal note.  COCHAIR PEARCE commented that                 
  the  purpose  was to  have  teachers  pay the  full  cost of                 
  certification and licensing through their  fees, as do other                 
  occupational  and  professional  licensees.   SENATOR  ADAMS                 
  inquired about the difference in cost now and as a result of                 
  the bill.  COCHAIR PEARCE estimated  it would be an increase                 
  of  approximately $42 for  a five-year  renewal, and  it was                 
  still  one of  the lowest professional  license fees  in the                 
  state.                                                                       
                                                                               
  SENATOR  ADAMS  withdrew  his  objection.   There  being  no                 
  further objection, SCS CSHB 145(FIN) was ADOPTED.                            
                                                                               
  JOHN CYR,  President, NEA-Alaska,  addressed the  committee.                 
  He testified that  he had supported the  bill throughout the                 
  legislative process,  but now  had to  speak in  opposition.                 
  Although  he  favored   a  formal   screening  process   for                 
  applicants for certification,  the SCS raised fees  by fifty                 
  percent.  He noted that a new applicant had to pay a license                 
  fee of approximately  $450 to  $500 just to  look for  work.                 
  MR.  CYR   suggested  allowing  the   NEA,  a   professional                 
  association,  to  handle  certification  and  policing  with                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  legislative  oversight.    In response  to  a  question from                 
  SENATOR ADAMS,  he stated  no additional  services would  be                 
  added  with an increase  in fees and  that minimal oversight                 
  could allow fees to escalate.                                                
                                                                               
  COCHAIR PEARCE questioned why teachers  should be in a class                 
  unto  themselves  with   regard  to  paying  the   costs  of                 
  certification.  MR. CYR  responded that certification  costs                 
  were  being covered.   He added that  other professions were                 
  free to charge what the market would bear, but that teachers                 
  were in a  different circumstance  because their income  was                 
  regulated through  a bargaining  procedure and  unlike other                 
  professionals such as  doctors and lawyers, teachers  were a                 
  part  of  the state  in  that  they worked  for  the state's                 
  political subdivisions.   He suggested that the Professional                 
  Teaching Practices Commission have a  bigger role in looking                 
  at certification  requirements if  teachers would  be paying                 
  more.    MR.  CYR  stated  he  would  like  to  see  NEA  be                 
  responsible for certification.                                               
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE addressed the  committee.  He noted                 
  the  purpose  of  the  bill  was  to address  the  need  for                 
  screening tests, commenting that the emphasis had shifted to                 
  fees.  He  encouraged the committee  to refocus on the  main                 
  purpose.  He suggested a two-tiered fee system be considered                 
  for new  certification and recertification.   COCHAIR PEARCE                 
  noted the  department already  did that and  nothing in  the                 
  bill would prevent the continuation.                                         
                                                                               
  End of  HB 145 on SFC-97,  # 127, Side  1, (500).   (At this                 
  point, the tape skips to SB 11.)                                             
                                                                               
  Begin SFC-97, #128, Side 1 (000)                                             
                                                                               
  SENATOR   PHILLIPS  inquired   if   NEA  supported   general                 
  proficiency  testing  as  part  of  high  school  graduation                 
  requirements.    MR. CYR  commented  that it  was  a complex                 
  issue.  He supported competency for graduates but believed a                 
  one-time test was not the best way to go.  He  elaborated on                 
  the issue.                                                                   
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONLEY noted the new language in Section 2 and asked                 
  if a delayed effective date for that section could phase the                 
  process in.                                                                  
                                                                               
  DR. NANCY  BUELL, Director, Teaching  and Learning  Support,                 
  Department  of   Education,   responded   that   a   delayed                 
  implementation date would  allow a more orderly  process and                 
  would be easier for the population  it addresses.  There was                 
  additional discussion about an effective date.                               
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONLEY MOVED Amendment #1,  adding an effective date                 
  of  July  1,  1998 for  Section  2  of  the bill.    Without                 
  objection, Amendment #1 was ADOPTED.                                         
                                                                               
                                                                               
  COCHAIR PEARCE MOVED the bill from committee with individual                 
  recommendations.  SENATOR ADAMS objected.                                    
                                                                               
  A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION.                                    
  IN FAVOR: PHILLIPS, TORGERSON, PARNELL, PEARCE, SHARP                        
  OPPOSED:  DONLEY, ADAMS                                                      
                                                                               
  And so,  by a vote of 5 to  2, SCSCSHB 145(FIN) was REPORTED                 
  OUT with a  forthcoming fiscal note  from the Department  of                 
  Education (100.0).                                                           
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 141                                                          
  "An Act relating to permits to carry concealed handguns; and                 
  relating to the possession of firearms."                                     
                                                                               
  COCHAIR  SHARP  noted  that CSSB  141(FIN),  which  had been                 
  reported  out, was  before the  committee with  incorporated                 
  amendments.  There  was an  additional amendment before  the                 
  committee that had been suggested by the drafter.                            
                                                                               
  TUCKERMAN BABCOCK, Legislative Aide to Senator  Green, noted                 
  that the language  in the amendment met  the legal counsel's                 
  concern about due  process, but  it left the  effect of  the                 
  amendment intact.                                                            
                                                                               
  SENATOR  PARNELL  MOVED   to  rescind  previous  action   in                 
  Reporting Out CSSB 141(FIN).   Without objection, the MOTION                 
  CARRIED.                                                                     
                                                                               
  SENATOR PARNELL MOVED Amendment #5.  SENATOR ADAMS objected.                 
  He asked  for two examples  of a  class A misdemeanor.   MR.                 
  BABCOCK  replied  that  stalking  and  misconduct  involving                 
  weapons  were  examples.     SENATOR   ADAMS  withdrew   his                 
  objection.  There  being no further objection,  Amendment #5                 
  was ADOPTED.                                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR ADAMS stated his objection to the bill.  It went too                 
  far by allowing  weapons to be  carried in state  buildings,                 
  courthouses,  domestic violence  centers,  and other  places                 
  where guns shouldn't  be.   There was additional  discussion                 
  about federal restrictions regarding where concealed weapons                 
  were allowed.                                                                
                                                                               
  COCHAIR SHARP brought  up a fiscal  note from the Office  of                 
  the Governor  (OMB) for  purchase of  lock boxes  in various                 
  locations.  He wanted  to zero-out the item.   SENATOR ADAMS                 
  opposed the suggestion.  There was discussion about security                 
  in airports and courthouses.                                                 
                                                                               
  SENATOR DONLEY MOVED the bill from committee with individual                 
  recommendations.  SENATOR ADAMS objected.  By a 6 to 1 vote,                 
  CSSB 141(FIN) was  REPORTED OUT with a previous  fiscal note                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  (5.0) and two previous zero fiscal notes from the Department                 
  of Public Safety.                                                            
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 11:06 A.M.                        

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