Legislature(1993 - 1994)

04/19/1994 05:40 PM FIN

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                             MINUTES                                           
                    SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                   
                         April 19, 1994                                        
                            5:40 p.m.                                          
  TAPES                                                                        
                                                                               
  SFC-94, #66, Side 1 (139-end)                                                
  SFC=94, #66, Side 2 (575-368)                                                
                                                                               
  CALL TO ORDER                                                                
                                                                               
  Co-chairman   Steve   Frank    convened   the   meeting   at                 
  approximately 5:40 p.m.                                                      
                                                                               
  PRESENT                                                                      
                                                                               
  In addition to Co-chairman  Frank, Senators Kelly, Kerttula,                 
  and Sharp were  present.  Senator Rieger arrived  soon after                 
  the meeting began.                                                           
                                                                               
  ALSO  ATTENDING:   Senator  Little;  Joe  Swanson, Director,                 
  Division  of  Elections,  Office  of  the  Governor;  Gerald                 
  Gallagher,  Director, Division of  Mining, Dept.  of Natural                 
  Resources;  Larry E.  Meyers,  Director,  Income and  Excise                 
  Audit  Division,  Dept. of  Revenue;  Tom Anderson,  aide to                 
  Representative Terry Martin; and  aides to committee members                 
  and other members of the legislature.                                        
                                                                               
  ALSO PARTICIPATING VIA TELECONFERENCE: Linda Crya-koorsgard,                 
  Anchorage, Alaska; Roy Hoyt, Jr., Homer, Alaska.                             
                                                                               
  SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                          
                                                                               
  SB 305 -  LICENSING OF LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS                                  
                                                                               
            Discussion was  had with Senator Little, Roy Hoyt,                 
            and Linda Cyra-koorsgard.  Work draft "O" (4/7/94,                 
            Lauterbach)  was  ADOPTED.   CSSB  305  (Fin)  was                 
            REPORTED OUT of  committee with no recommendation,                 
            accompanied by  a fiscal  note from  the Dept.  of                 
            Commerce and  Economic Development showing  a cost                 
            of $9.3 and revenues of $17.3.                                     
                                                                               
  SB 338 -  CROSSROADS DISCOVERY CENTER\SHIP CRK                               
                                                                               
            Amendment No. 1, by Senator Frank, was offered and                 
            ADOPTED.    CSSB  338 (Fin)  was  REPORTED  OUT of                 
            committee without recommendation, accompanied by a                 
            zero fiscal note from the Dept. of Revenue.                        
                                                                               
  SB 373 -  "S.A.F.E." COMMISSION                                              
                                                                               
            Discussion  ensued  concerning replacing  the word                 
            "emergency"  with  "exigency."   CSSB  373  (Fin),                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
            incorporating  the  change   to  "exigency,"   was                 
            REPORTED   OUT   of   committee  with   individual                 
            recommendations and a fiscal note from Legislative                 
            Affairs Agency showing reappropriation  funding of                 
            $300.0.                                                            
                                                                               
  HB  49 -  ABSENTEE VOTING & USE OF FAX                                       
                                                                               
            Discussion  was  had  with  Tom  Anderson and  Joe                 
            Swanson.  SCS  CSHB 49 (STA)  was REPORTED OUT  of                 
            committee    with   individual    recommendations,                 
            accompanied by a $23.4 fiscal note from the Office                 
            of the Governor, Division of Elections.                            
                                                                               
  HB 498 -  MINERAL EXPLORATION INCENTIVE CREDITS                              
                                                                               
            Amendments 1  through 5 were discussed  with Jerry                 
            Gallagher of the Division of Mining.  Amendments 1                 
            through 3  were ADOPTED,  and Amendments  4 and  5                 
            were held pending, per a request by Senator Frank.                 
            The bill was  also HELD  in committee for  further                 
            consideration.                                                     
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SB 305 LICENSING OF LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS                                     
                                                                               
  Upon convening the meeting, Co-chairman Steve Frank directed                 
  that  SB  305  be  brought   on  for  discussion  and  noted                 
  teleconference links to Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Homer.                     
                                                                               
  Senator  Kerttula advised  that  he did  not  wish to  offer                 
  Amendment  No.  1  and  asked  that  it be  withdrawn.    No                 
  objection having been raised, IT WAS SO ORDERED.                             
                                                                               
  SENATOR  LITTLE,  sponsor  of the  legislation,  came before                 
  committee.   She referenced  a draft  CSSB 305  (8-LS1617\O,                 
  Lauterbach,   4/7/94)   and    explained   that    landscape                 
  architecture  is the  profession  that provides  designs for                 
  outdoor  spaces.    Practitioners   must  be  familiar  with                 
  building  codes,  local ordinances,  and  health and  safety                 
  regulations.  They  are accredited and must  complete a four                 
  to  five-year  educational  process.   Presently,  anyone in                 
  Alaska can  call himself  or herself  a landscape  architect                 
  without any training and can compete with a professional.                    
                                                                               
  The  proposed legislation  represents an  Alaska hire  bill.                 
  Many  contracts  require  "stamped"  professional  landscape                 
  architects for outdoor work.  Because Alaska has no  license                 
  requirements, residents  who are knowledgeable  about Arctic                 
  conditions, local plant materials, etc., are eliminated from                 
  ability to perform these types of  tasks.  The proposed bill                 
  will  allow  knowledgeable  residents  to  compete  on those                 
  contracts.  Landscape  architects are  licensed in 44  other                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  states.  Lack  of a license  procedure in Alaska results  in                 
  this  work   being  performed   by  out-of-state   landscape                 
  architects rather than local residents.                                      
  While  the  legislation   originally  requested   additional                 
  members for the board, the present version retains the board                 
  "at  the  same  size  and   adds  an  additional  non-voting                 
  landscape architect on the board for  one year to advise the                 
  board on establishing  regulations for the licensing."   The                 
  non-voting  member is not reimbursed for per diem or travel.                 
  Licensing will  involve one  test per  year rather than  the                 
  standard two.                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Little next  described the differences  between the                 
  "O" version work draft  and CSSB 305 (L&C).   She referenced                 
  page 9, lines 20 - 24, and explained that subsection (c) was                 
  added to  ensure that  landscape architects  do not  perform                 
  architectural,   engineering,   or    land   survey    work.                 
  Definitions  commence at page  12, line 17.   Senator Little                 
  noted  addition   of  "incidental  and  necessary"   to  the                 
  definition of the "practice of landscape architecture."  She                 
  told members  that  language at  page  12 provides  a  clear                 
  delineation of "what  landscape architects would be  able to                 
  do under  the licensure."   Language  at page  13, line  31,                 
  clarifies  when the  first test  will be  given and  further                 
  defines   how  long   a   person  may   practice   landscape                 
  architecture without a license until the initial test.                       
                                                                               
  Senator   Kerttula   asked  if   the   legislation  contains                 
  grandfather   provisions.      Senator    Little   responded                 
  negatively, but advised that the  bill provides that persons                 
  who  are licensed  in  other  states  would continue  to  be                 
  licensed  in Alaska.   Those  who are not  licensed anywhere                 
  would need to  take the national exam.   Discussion followed                 
  regarding grandfathering based  on past performance  of work                 
  in  a  given field,  regardless  of  educational background.                 
  Senator  Little  explained  that  those  seeking  to  become                 
  landscape architects  would pay  an examination  fee and  an                 
  annual  registration  fee  when approved  by  the  board for                 
  licensure.     Senator   Kerttula  expressed   concern  that                 
  regulations might prevent those who have actively engaged in                 
  the  profession  up  to this  time  from  practicing  in the                 
  future.  Senator  Little spoke to clear  delineation between                 
  landscape construction and landscape  architecture, advising                 
  that the difference is the same as a construction contractor                 
  and an architect.  Those  involved in landscape construction                 
  will not be impacted  by the proposed bill.   Senator Little                 
  described the situation in California where those who do not                 
  have  licenses  are  designated  landscape  designers  while                 
  licensed  individuals  are landscape  architects.   Co-chair                 
  Frank voiced his understanding that  the proposed bill would                 
  not prohibit an individual's ability to continue to practice                 
  in the field.   It  merely restricts what  "that person  may                 
  call themselves."                                                            
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator  Sharp  referenced  discussion in  Senate  Labor and                 
  Commerce to  the effect  that many  bids call  for landscape                 
  architects.    Those   individuals  must  be  professionally                 
  qualified,  and that  has  necessitated use  of out-of-state                 
  persons.    Senator  Little  concurred.   She  advised  that                 
  federal contracts require  licensed professionals.  Projects                 
  often end up employing  professionals from out of  state who                 
  know nothing  about permafrost, Arctic plant materials, etc.                 
  The public will be better  served by utilizing knowledgeable                 
  locals to perform this work.                                                 
                                                                               
  In her concluding  comments, Senator  Little noted that  all                 
  costs of  the legislation  will be  borne by  practitioners.                 
  There  will be  no cost to  the state.   The April  6, 1994,                 
  fiscal  note  from  the  Dept.   of  Commerce  and  Economic                 
  Development, accurately reflects the proposed work draft.                    
                                                                               
  TELECONFERENCE                                                               
                                                                               
  ROY HOYT, JR., spoke via  teleconference from Homer, Alaska.                 
  He inquired concerning  the number  of landscape  architects                 
  presently in Alaska.   Senator Little responded,  "There are                 
  approximately 50  who are members of the American Society of                 
  Landscape Architects."  She noted it  is costly to belong to                 
  the  society  and  voiced  her  expectation  that additional                 
  professionals, who are  not members, also reside  within the                 
  state.                                                                       
                                                                               
  LINDA  CRYA-KOORSGARD,    Landscape  Architect,  spoke   via                 
  teleconference   from  Anchorage   and  offered   to  answer                 
  questions concerning the bill.  No questions were raised.                    
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly attested to support for the bill by the Alaska                 
  Chapter of the American Society of Landscape Architects.                     
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank  queried members regarding disposition of the                 
  bill.  Senator  Kelly MOVED for  adoption of CSSB 305  (Fin)                 
  ("O" version).   No objection  having been raised,  CSSB 305                 
  (Fin) was ADOPTED.  Co-chair Frank  next MOVED that CSSB 305                 
  (Fin) pass from  committee with individual  recommendations.                 
  No objection having been raised, CSSB 305 (Fin) was REPORTED                 
  OUT  of  committee with  a  fiscal  note from  the  Dept. of                 
  Commerce and  Economic Development showing revenues of $17.3                 
  and costs of $9.3.  All members present signed the committee                 
  report "no rec."   (Senator Jacko was not in  attendance and                 
  did not sign.)                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 49(FIN) am                                             
                                                                               
       An  Act  relating  to absentee  voting,  to  electronic                 
       transmission  of  absentee   ballot  applications,   to                 
       delivery of  ballots to  absentee ballot  applicants by                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
       electronic transmission, and  enacting a definition  of                 
       the term  `state  election' for  purposes  of  absentee                 
       voting; and providing for an effective date.                            
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce directed  that CSHB 49(Fin)am be  brought on                 
  for discussion and referenced file materials.                                
                                                                               
  TOM  ANDERSON,   aide  to  Representative  Martin,  and  JOE                 
  SWANSON, Director of Elections, Office of the Governor, came                 
  before  committee.     Mr.   Anderson  explained   that  the                 
  legislation results from numerous constituent requests  from                 
  out-of-state  peace  corps  workers,   traveling  residents,                 
  disabled individuals, and  members of  the military who  are                 
  disenfranchised  by  postal service  in that  their election                 
  ballots  are  not timely.    The  conceptual intent  of  the                 
  original bill was  to allow everyone  to vote by  electronic                 
  transmission if a time crunch was involved.  There was heavy                 
  opposition  from  the   former  head  of  the   division  of                 
  elections.   The  bill  was then  limited  to  those  voting                 
  outside of the United States.  It has since reverted back to                 
  the original target to allow all individuals voting absentee                 
  to use electronic transmission if they desire.  The approach                 
  is  not   to  replace  the   mail  but  to   alleviate  time                 
  consumption.  The  legislation is supported by  the Division                 
  of Elections as well as the Alaska Federation of Natives and                 
  the Dept. of Defense Federal Voting Assistance Program.                      
                                                                               
  Under HB 49,  the individual desiring to  utilize electronic                 
  transmission or fax  could request,  receive, and return  an                 
  application by  fax.   Application  would  have to  be  made                 
  within four days of the election.  The voter may then return                 
  a marked ballot by fax.  The ballot must be accompanied by a                 
  signed waiver stating the voter  recognizes that an election                 
  official will be reviewing the ballot and recording it.  The                 
  absentee voter must also take an oath before a member of the                 
  armed  services or two U.S. citizens eighteen years or older                 
  or  an  individual  in  any  of  the fifty  states  who  can                 
  administer an oath.                                                          
                                                                               
  Senate State Affairs  amended the bill  to provide that  the                 
  voter receive faxed  confirmation of Division  of Election's                 
  receipt of the  ballot.   The proposed bill  does not  cover                 
  municipal   or   borough  elections,   REAA,   coastal  zone                 
  management board elections,  or local option elections.   It                 
  would not go into effect until the 1994 general election.                    
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger directed attention to page 3, lines 5, 6, and                 
  7 and asked for an explanation.  Mr. Anderson explained that                 
  an  individual  could not  register  to  vote by  fax.   Mr.                 
  Swanson noted that  the division currently allows  those who                 
  request an absentee ballot  by mail to register at  the same                 
  time.  The sentence in question prohibits that by fax.                       
                                                                               
  Senator Rieger  inquired regarding the potential  for fraud.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Mr.  Anderson referenced  House Judiciary  testimony  by the                 
  Dept. of Law indicating that the choice may be either voting                 
  electronically  with  the  understanding  that  an  election                 
  official will be  privy to  your ballot or  being unable  to                 
  timely vote at  all.   The number of  voters utilizing  this                 
  process is expected to be relatively small.                                  
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly pointed to language  within the bill requiring                 
  that the Division  of Elections adopt regulations  to ensure                 
  the integrity of the ballot box.                                             
                                                                               
  Responding to concerns relating to  potential for fraud, Mr.                 
  Swanson said that the proposed bill opens no new avenues for                 
  fraud that  do not already  exist through the  normal voting                 
  process.   Processing  of faxed  ballots will  be even  more                 
  stringent   than   current   absentee   ballots  which   are                 
  individually numbered  and traced.   The  individual's voter                 
  registration  will be  checked  and two  identifiers  (birth                 
  date, social security  number, voter identification  number)                 
  will have to  be provided for cross-check  before the ballot                 
  will be accepted.   The process is almost identical  to that                 
  for absentee balloting by mail.                                              
                                                                               
  Discussion  followed  regarding  ballot  secrecy  under  the                 
  proposed  process.    Mr. Swanson  explained  that  only one                 
  person  would  be privy  to the  ballot  to ensure  that fax                 
  transmission is readable.                                                    
                                                                               
  Senator Kerttula voiced skepticism concerning the  proposal.                 
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce called  for additional testimony.   None was                 
  forthcoming.      She   then   queried   members   regarding                 
  disposition.  Senator  Kelly MOVED  that SCS  CSHB 49  (STA)                 
  pass   from   committee  with   individual  recommendations.                 
  Senator Kerttula voiced  his OPPOSITION.  SCS CSHB  49 (STA)                 
  was REPORTED OUT of committee with  a $23.4 fiscal note from                 
  the Division of Elections, Office of the Governor.  Senators                 
  Kelly and Sharp signed the committee report with a "do pass"                 
  recommendation.   Co-chairs  Pearce  and  Frank and  Senator                 
  Rieger  signed "no recommendation."  Senator Kerttula signed                 
  "Do not pass."                                                               
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 498(FIN)                                               
                                                                               
       An  Act providing for exploration incentive credits for                 
       activities  involving  locatable and  leasable minerals                 
       and  coal deposits  on certain  land in the  state; and                 
       providing for an effective date.                                        
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce directed that CSHB 498  (Fin) be brought on                 
  for discussion and referenced the following amendments:                      
                                                                               
                                                                               
       Amendment No. 1, by Senator Kerttula                                    
       Amendment No. 2, by Co-chair Frank                                      
       Amendment No. 3, by Senator Kelly                                       
       Amendment No. 4, by Senator Kelly                                       
       Amendment No. 5, by Senator Kelly                                       
                                                                               
  Senator  Kerttula   noted  that  Amendment  No.  1  contains                 
  language that would  "amend into" a subsequent  amendment by                 
  Senator Kelly.  He then MOVED  for adoption of Amendment No.                 
  1.  In response  to a question from Co-chair  Frank, Senator                 
  Kerttula explained that the amendment responds to his belief                 
  that all hire should be local, and the tax credit should not                 
  apply to hire  that is not local.   No objection having been                 
  raised, Amendment No. 1 was ADOPTED.                                         
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank said that Amendment  No. 2 involves technical                 
  amendments to the bill.  He then asked that department staff                 
  speak to the change.  JERRY GALLAGHER, Director, Division of                 
  Mining, Dept. of Natural Resources,  advised of concern that                 
  the granting of tax credits on trust land would create legal                 
  complications.  Insertion of  "unless otherwise provided  by                 
  law" allows the  commissioner to  withhold tax credits  from                 
  such  lands.    Co-chair  Pearce  called for  objections  to                 
  adoption  of  Amendment No.  2.   No  objection  having been                 
  raised, Amendment No. 2 was ADOPTED.                                         
                                                                               
  Senator  Kelly  explained  that  Amendment   No.  3  removes                 
  retroactive application of  the credit  to January 1,  1994.                 
  He said that supporters of the legislation have no objection                 
  to removal since the January  date was arbitrarily selected.                 
  He then  MOVED for  adoption of  Amendment No.  3.   Senator                 
  Kerttula concurred  in support.   No  objection having  been                 
  raised, Amendment No. 3 was ADOPTED.                                         
                                                                               
  Speaking to Amendment  No. 4,  Senator Kelly explained  that                 
  research   into  legislation  dealing   with  oil   and  gas                 
  exploration credits indicates  a $5  million limit per  site                 
  and a  limit of $50 million total.   In order to ensure that                 
  limitations  are  in  place,  he  proposed addition  of  the                 
  following language:                                                          
                                                                               
       The  amount  of  an  exploration incentive  credit                      
       extended under  this  chapter may  not  exceed  an                      
       amount per parcel  or site,  as determined by  the                      
       commissioner by regulation.                                             
                                                                               
  The  Senator  reiterated   need  for  oversight   of  totals                 
  associated with  these types  of credits.   Co-chair  Pearce                 
  referenced  fiscal  note  information  indicating  that  the                 
  maximum amount  of credits that  could have been  claimed in                 
  1993 totals approximately $17 million.                                       
                                                                               
  End:      SFC-94, #66, Side 1                                                
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Begin:    SFC-94, #66, Side 2                                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Kelly  stressed that,  in  light of  ongoing budget                 
  cuts, the  legislature must protect  existing revenues  from                 
  erosion.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank  inquired concerning  the types  of taxes  to                 
  which credits would be applied.  Mr. Gallagher said that the                 
  bill applies to three separate payments:                                     
                                                                               
       1.   Royalty on state land.                                             
       2.   The mining license tax that applies to all lands--                 
  a form                                                                       
                 of severance tax.                                             
       3.   Corporate income tax.                                              
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly  explained that the  oil and gas  lease credit                 
  bill contains  the above-mentioned  cap to fix  a figure  in                 
  statute.    Rather than  try  to do  that,  he  said he  was                 
  proposing the language within Amendment No. 4.                               
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank requested that he be  allowed a day to review                 
  implications of  the  proposed amendment.   Co-chair  Pearce                 
  directed  that  Amendment  No.  4  be  held  for  subsequent                 
  consideration.                                                               
                                                                               
  Speaking  to Amendment No.  5, Senator Kelly  noted that the                 
  oil and  gas tax  credit bill  was limited  to 50%  on state                 
  lands and 25% on lands not owned by the state.  The proposed                 
  amendment attempts to duplicate that requirement in CSHB 498                 
  (Fin).  He said that he saw  no reason for the Alaska public                 
  to subsidize the exploration tax credit on private property.                 
  Senator Kerttula concurred,  saying that there should  be no                 
  subsidy on non-state-owned properties.                                       
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank requested  that Amendment No. 5 also  be held                 
  for subsequent discussion.                                                   
                                                                               
  Senator  Kelly  referenced  language  within  the  amendment                 
  relating  to  "eligible  costs."    He  explained  that  the                 
  language was  added by the  drafter to delineate  costs that                 
  are eligible  for  tax  from those  that  are not.    It  is                 
  intended to prevent an organization  from padding the actual                 
  cost  of exploration  at  the site  with overhead  and other                 
  types of costs that are not directly related.  Amendment No.                 
  1, by Senator  Kerttula, relating  to labor costs  dovetails                 
  with these provisions.                                                       
                                                                               
  Senator Sharp voiced  his understanding that the  credit was                 
  limited to labor only.  Senator Kelly advised that it covers                 
  other eligible costs.                                                        
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce  directed  that CSHB  498(Fin)  be  HELD in                 
  committee for additional review.                                             
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 338                                                          
                                                                               
       An Act  relating to the  issuance of revenue  bonds for                 
       acquisition and  construction of  the Alaska  Discovery                 
       Center  for   the  Ship  Creek  Project  in  Anchorage;                 
       relating to a  study of  the feasibility and  financial                 
       viability of  the Alaska Discovery Center;  relating to                 
       construction  of  the  Alaska  Discovery  Center;   and                 
       providing for an effective date.                                        
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce directed  that  SB 338  be  brought on  for                 
  discussion and referenced a  proposed amendment by  Co-chair                 
  Frank.    Co-chair  Frank explained  that  the  amendment is                 
  intended to make  clear that  no railroad funds  are "to  go                 
  into this project"  nor are  railroad assets to  be used  to                 
  support  the  financing.   Senator  Kelly  said  he  had  no                 
  objection to the  amendment since it embodies  his intent as                 
  well.  Co-chair Frank MOVED for adoption of Amendment No. 1.                 
  No  objection  having  been  raised,  Amendment  No.  1  was                 
  ADOPTED.    Senator  Kelly MOVED  for  passage  of  CSSB 338                 
  (Finance)  with individual  recommendations.   No  objection                 
  having  been  raised, CSSB  338  (Fin) was  REPORTED  OUT of                 
  committee with a zero fiscal note from the Dept. of Revenue.                 
  Senators Kelly and Rieger signed the committee report with a                 
  "do pass" recommendation.   Co-chairs  Pearce and Frank  and                 
  Senator Sharp signed "no recommendation."  Senators Kerttula                 
  and Jacko did not sign the report.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
  SENATE BILL NO. 373                                                          
                                                                               
       An Act relating to a comprehensive state financial plan                 
       and to the Solving Alaska's Fiscal Emergency (S.A.F.E.)                 
       Commission; and providing for an effective date.                        
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce  directed that  SB  373 be  brought  on for                 
  discussion  and  referenced a  draft  CSSB 373  (8-LS1876\J,                 
  Cook,  4/19/94).   Senator  Kelly  explained that  the draft                 
  contains a major departure from the original bill in that it                 
  removes  the earlier Section 2 which  mandated action by the                 
  legislature as  an alternative to binding  implementation of                 
  the  S.A.F.E.   commission  financial  plan.     The   draft                 
  establishes a nine-member advisory commission to work during                 
  the interim to develop  a six-year plan and return  a report                 
  to the next legislature.  At that point the commission would                 
  terminate.   Senator  Kelly acknowledged  that  the original                 
  bill  envisioned  a   long-term  commission  with  revolving                 
  members.    There  was  not   sufficient  support  for  that                 
  approach.                                                                    
                                                                               
                                                                               
  Senator Kelly MOVED  for adoption of CSSB 373 ("J" version).                 
  Co-chair Frank MOVED to remove the word "emergency" from the                 
  name of the  commission and insert  the word "gap" in  place                 
  thereof.  He  voiced his belief  that use of "emergency"  is                 
  inappropriate.    Senator  Kelly  advised  that he  did  not                 
  disagree with the  concept but  suggested substitution of  a                 
  word commencing with the  letter "e" to retain  the acronym,                 
  S.A.F.E., for designation of the commission.  Senator Rieger                 
  attested to real dollar gaps in state revenues necessitating                 
  a $200 million  reduction next  year and a  like amount  the                 
  year thereafter.   He  said he  disagreed with  the S.A.F.E.                 
  Commission  approach   but  does   not  disagree   with  the                 
  contention that an emergency exists.  He suggested that  the                 
  Governor should be undertaking the tasks contemplated by the                 
  commission.                                                                  
                                                                               
  Co-chair Pearce called for action on the motion for adoption                 
  of CSSB 373 ("J" version).  No objection having been raised,                 
  CSSB 373 (Fin) was ADOPTED.                                                  
                                                                               
  Co-chair Frank then MOVED to remove the word "emergency" and                 
  replace  it  with  "exigency."    No objection  having  been                 
  raised,  the  motion  CARRIED, and  the  replacement  was SO                 
  ORDERED.                                                                     
                                                                               
  Discussion followed  regarding staffing for  the Commission.                 
  Senator Kelly spoke to utilization  of legislative staff for                 
  support work.                                                                
                                                                               
  Senator  Kelly  MOVED  that  CSSB  373 (Finance)  pass  from                 
  committee.  CSSB 373 (Finance) was REPORTED OUT of committee                 
  with  a  fiscal  note from  the  Legislative  Affairs Agency                 
  showing reappropriation funding of  $300.0.  Co-chair Pearce                 
  and Senator Kelly  signed the  committee report  with a  "do                 
  pass" recommendation.   Co-chair Frank  and Senators  Rieger                 
  and Sharp signed "no recommendation."                                        
                                                                               
                                                                               
  CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 67(FIN)                                               
                                                                               
       An Act  amending provisions of  ch. 66, SLA  1991, that                 
       relate to reconstitution  of the  corpus of the  mental                 
       health trust  and to the  manner of enforcement  of the                 
       obligation to  compensate the trust; and  providing for                 
       an effective date.                                                      
                                                                               
  Co-chair  Pearce announced that  a draft CSSB  67 2d(Fin) as                 
  well  as  a  copy  of  a  proposed  amendment  requested  by                 
  Representative  James  would  be  distributed  to   members'                 
  offices for review prior to hearing at the next meeting.                     
                                                                               
  ADJOURNMENT                                                                  
                                                                               
                                                                               
  The meeting was adjourned at approximately 6:45 p.m.                         
                                                                               
                                                                               

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