Legislature(2019 - 2020)BUTROVICH 205

02/12/2019 09:00 AM EDUCATION

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08:59:54 AM SB30
11:07:27 AM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 12, 2019                                                                                        
                           8:59 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Gary Stevens, Chair                                                                                                     
Senator Shelley Hughes, Vice Chair                                                                                              
Senator Chris Birch                                                                                                             
Senator Mia Costello                                                                                                            
Senator Tom Begich                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 30                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing the middle college program for public                                                                      
school students; and relating to the powers of the University of                                                                
Alaska."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     HEARD & HELD                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB  30                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: COLLEGE CREDIT FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) STEVENS                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MELISSA HAFFEMAN, Principal                                                                                                     
Kodiak Middle School                                                                                                            
Kodiak Island Borough School District                                                                                           
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on Kodiak Middle College in the                                                                 
context of SB 30.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MEL LEVAN, Ph.D., Principal                                                                                                     
Kodiak High School                                                                                                              
Kodiak Island Borough School District                                                                                           
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on Kodiak Middle College in the                                                                 
context of SB 30.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
LARRY LEDOUX, Ph.D., Superintendent                                                                                             
Kodiak Island Borough School District                                                                                           
Kodiak, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on Kodiak Middle College in the                                                                 
context of SB 30.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GENE STONE, Chief of Operations                                                                                                 
Lower Yukon School District (LYSD)                                                                                              
Mountain Village, Alaska                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on LYSD's middle college plan in                                                                
the context of SB 30.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
PAUL PRUSSING, Acting Program Coordinator                                                                                       
Department of Education and Early Development (DEED)                                                                            
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 30.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. LISA SKILES PARADY, Ph.D., Executive Director                                                                               
Alaska Council of School Administrators                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified about concerns with SB 30.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JACKIE BOYER, representing self                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 30.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
TERI COTHREN, Project Manager                                                                                                   
Workforce Programs                                                                                                              
University of Alaska                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Answered questions on SB 30.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRIDGET WEISS, Ph.D., Superintendent                                                                                            
Juneau School District                                                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 30.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SCOTT MACMANUS, Superintendent                                                                                                  
Alaska Gateway School District                                                                                                  
Tok, Alaska                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 30.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK MAYER, Superintendent                                                                                                   
Yakutat School District                                                                                                         
Yakutat, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 30.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS REITAN, Superintendent                                                                                                    
Craig City School District                                                                                                      
Craig, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 30.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DAVID NEESE, representing self                                                                                                  
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 30.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
STEWART MCDONALD, Superintendent                                                                                                
North Slope Borough School District                                                                                             
Utqiagvik, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 30.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JEFF DEETER, School Board Member                                                                                                
Alaska Gateway School District                                                                                                  
Tok, Alaska                                                                                                                     
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on SB 30.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
KATHY MOFFITT, Director                                                                                                         
Administrative Projects                                                                                                         
Anchorage School District                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: Supported SB 30                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:59:01 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  GARY   STEVENS  called   the  Senate   Education  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at 8:59  a.m. Present at the  call to                                                               
order were  Senators Costello, Birch,  Begich, Hughes,  and Chair                                                               
Stevens.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
         SB  30-COLLEGE CREDIT FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:59:54 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR STEVENS announced  the consideration of SB 30.  He said his                                                               
intent was  to continue  public testimony and  hold the  bill for                                                               
further  review. He  read  from a  National  Conference of  State                                                               
Legislatures'  paper on  dual enrollment,  noting that  it points                                                               
out some risks but also opportunities:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Proponents of dual  enrollment view it as a  way to increase                                                               
     the  academic  quality and  rigor  of  high school  classes,                                                               
     lower  the need  for postsecondary  remediation, reduce  the                                                               
     high school dropout rate, reduce  student costs of attending                                                               
     postsecondary  institutions,  and  prepare young  people  to                                                               
     succeed in college.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:01:24 AM                                                                                                                    
MELISSA HAFFEMAN, Principal, Kodiak  Middle School, Kodiak Island                                                               
Borough School District, Kodiak,  Alaska, said that Kodiak Island                                                               
Borough School  District has been working  for a year and  a half                                                               
to  develop a  middle  college  program. The  focus  has been  on                                                               
developing a  pre-kindergarten through 12th grade  approach which                                                               
aligns academic and career tech  pathways while smoothing student                                                               
transitions  from elementary  to  middle school  and from  middle                                                               
school  to high  school  and  from high  school  to college.  She                                                               
offered her belief  that the success of a  middle college program                                                               
is built on  the foundation of vocational  and academic pathways,                                                               
which begin  in middle school,  when students are  dreaming about                                                               
their futures.  Kodiak Middle  School has  been working  on three                                                               
key aspects of a middle college program.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. HAFFEMAN said the school have  been putting plans in place to                                                               
facilitate  the transition  from elementary  to middle  school. A                                                               
main component  has been the  vertical alignment  and scaffolding                                                               
of reading,  writing, and mathematics  from kindergarten  to 12th                                                               
grade. The school is developing  improved orientations at the end                                                               
of fifth grade,  which showcase the pathway  options available at                                                               
Kodiak  Middle School.  Secondly,  KMS has  been partnering  with                                                               
teachers  to create  professional  development  that will  create                                                               
smooth transition  points and  establish academic  and vocational                                                               
pathways.  Professional development  is  increasingly focused  on                                                               
project-based,   applied,   and   STEM   instructional   methods.                                                               
Elementary   and   middle    school   teachers   have   increased                                                               
opportunities   for   dialogue    to   elevate   the   district's                                                               
instructional  effectiveness. Finally,  Kodiak  Middle School  is                                                               
working with  Kodiak High School  on helping  students transition                                                               
to  the  high  school  environment.   A  key  aspect  for  smooth                                                               
transitions  is   exposure  to  career  and   technical  pathways                                                               
available at Kodiak High School and Kodiak College.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. HAFFEMAN said  that in the next academic  year, Kodiak Middle                                                               
School   is   going   to  dramatically   increase   career   tech                                                               
opportunities  by working  with high  school teachers  through an                                                               
alignment of schedules  and use of the Kodiak  High School shops.                                                               
The  plan is  to  offer eighth  graders  welding, culinary  arts,                                                               
construction,  drafting,  fisheries,   business,  digital  media,                                                               
health occupations, and coding options.  Dr. LeVan, the principal                                                               
of Kodiak  High School,  will speak more  on this.  She concluded                                                               
that  SB  30  creates  a  formal  structure  for  middle  college                                                               
partnerships that will benefit all Kodiak students.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS   commented  that  she  sees   the  importance  of                                                               
preparing students, even in middle school, for this opportunity.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:05:51 AM                                                                                                                    
MEL LEVAN,  Ph.D., Principal, Kodiak  High School,  Kodiak Island                                                               
Borough School District,  Kodiak, Alaska, said he  was excited to                                                               
bring  about  change  through collaboration  with  Kodiak  Middle                                                               
School and  Kodiak College.  The ongoing  initiative is  to raise                                                               
the  performance  bar  by  vertical  alignment  of  academic  and                                                               
vocational programs  from grade  6 through college  and technical                                                               
school graduation. Kodiak High School  initiated this bar raising                                                               
with  a vocational  partnership  with Kodiak  Middle School,  the                                                               
continuous   grade  6-12   dialogue  among   teachers,  expanding                                                               
concurrent  enrollment  options with  UAA,  and  creation of  new                                                               
academic  and  vocational  pathways with  Kodiak  College.  These                                                               
transitions   are   natural   because   of   KHS's   longstanding                                                               
relationship with Kodiak College. After  working for a year and a                                                               
half, the agreement  is in the final stages. Along  the way, they                                                               
recognized that the only barrier  that held them to a traditional                                                               
school day  was the  momentum of past  practice. He  stressed the                                                               
importance of  exploring other areas  of academic  and vocational                                                               
proficiency that students can  achieve during evenings, weekends,                                                               
and summers.  He stated support for  SB 30 as it  formalizes what                                                               
Kodiak has been doing informally for many years.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked how the  district ensures that  students who                                                               
enter a middle college program are ready.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR. LEVAN  replied that KHS  tests and assesses students  now but                                                               
is aware that  they need to do  better job as they  take the step                                                               
to  encourage students  to  launch  into college  a  year or  two                                                               
early. He  opined that it was  helpful to hear the  Anchorage and                                                               
Mat-Su  middle colleges  make the  point that  counseling is  the                                                               
centerpiece to  make sure students  have a  successful transition                                                               
from high school work to college work.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BIRCH  said the  only pushback he  has heard  from school                                                               
districts is  that this is an  unfunded mandate. He asked  if the                                                               
requirement makes a material difference to school districts.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  LEVAN answered  that Kodiak  has  learned that  this is  the                                                               
right thing  to do  for students,  but formalizing  the agreement                                                               
puts people who have to do  the lifting, such as himself, on task                                                               
to get  it done. He said  he can't speak for  other districts but                                                               
Kodiak  has the  advantage of  having one  main high  school, one                                                               
middle college, and  one local college. He  acknowledged that the                                                               
coordination  to  get  the program  started  is  complicated  and                                                               
requires effort. The  weight of a formal agreement  is helpful in                                                               
that regard.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:11:00 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  COSTELLO  said  the   committee  heard  yesterday  about                                                               
districts' concern that  some kids might not be  ready. She asked                                                               
the bill  sponsor to  comment on  the flexibility  that districts                                                               
have about who can participate in the proposed program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:11:28 AM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  STEVENS replied  that it  is crucial  that districts  have                                                               
flexibility because the last thing he  wants to do is put a young                                                               
person in jeopardy  of failure. The committee needs  to hear from                                                               
districts  about how  they ensure  that students  will likely  be                                                               
successful. Part of  the process is to  understand that districts                                                               
can do that.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:12:11 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BEGICH said Section 2  of the bill, lines 20-24, requires                                                               
the school  district to pay  the University of  Alaska's resident                                                               
tuition for  students. He  asked Principal  LeVan if  Kodiak High                                                               
School is doing that.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR. LEVAN said currently no.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH asked if the students pay the tuition.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR.  LEVAN answered  that  students who  currently  go to  Kodiak                                                               
College  pay   the  tuition.  However,  there   is  a  concurrent                                                               
enrollment  program  taught by  Kodiak  teachers  at Kodiak  High                                                               
School. Those students pay a nominal fee to get their credits.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  pointed out  that the  bill would  require school                                                               
district  to pay  the  University of  Alaska's  tuition rate.  He                                                               
asked if the school district could absorb that cost.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. LEVAN responded  that it is a matter of  scale. At some point                                                               
if the program  grows large enough, it would be  an issue. Mat-Su                                                               
and Anchorage  testified that  they are able  to make  do because                                                               
they  offset  the cost  by  not  having  a teacher  provide  that                                                               
education. He said it is an issue  but would hate to see that get                                                               
in  the way  of moving  forward with  this concept.  He said  the                                                               
state  has  the  one  obligation  to  educate  its  students  and                                                               
everyone has to work together to get it done.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  said he  wants to  make sure  that the  bill does                                                               
what it intends to do while  allowing access to all students. The                                                               
state needs innovative ways to get students learning.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS pointed  out that school districts may  do this now                                                               
and it's  an important distinction  that this bill  says "shall."                                                               
If  districts  want  children  to   move  forward  and  have  the                                                               
opportunity  to  get  college  credit in  high  school,  this  is                                                               
probably  the way  to do  it.  He acknowledged  that some  school                                                               
districts have expressed  concern that it will be  too costly. He                                                               
said he is certainly willing  to hear suggestions and perhaps the                                                               
commissioner  of education  could grant  exemptions if  there's a                                                               
good reason.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH suggested  the phrase  "shall  pay the  student's                                                               
tuition" on  [page 2], line 21,  could be a "may"  clause to give                                                               
flexibility to school districts to pay the tuition.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked Kodiak Superintendent  LeDoux to  comment on                                                               
the costs and  the idea that some have said  the district savings                                                               
money by paying for college  tuition instead of paying for normal                                                               
classes on their own campuses.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:17:35 AM                                                                                                                    
LARRY  LEDOUX,  Ph.D.,   Superintendent,  Kodiak  Island  Borough                                                               
School  District, Kodiak,  Alaska,  said that  the Kodiak  middle                                                               
college  is a  critical  component of  a  systemic initiative  to                                                               
graduate students who  are fully prepared and  equipped to pursue                                                               
the  vocation of  their  choice. The  district  has adjusted  the                                                               
scale  and scope  of the  middle college  program to  reflect its                                                               
size but has  not compromised the vision pioneered  by the Mat-Su                                                               
and  Anchorage programs.  The district  has worked  for years  to                                                               
transition  its  youth   into  postsecondary  programs.  However,                                                               
transition  programs have  been insufficient  to bridge  the gaps                                                               
between  programs that  are out  of  phase with  each other  with                                                               
regard  to   academic  expectations,  philosophy,   and  personal                                                               
accountability.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  LEDOUX  said while  many  of  the district's  students  have                                                               
successfully  transitioned   from  high  school,  too   many  are                                                               
academically  and  emotionally  unprepared for  college  or  tech                                                               
school.  Students rarely  give college  or tech  school a  second                                                               
chance  if they  fail after  their  first try.  A middle  college                                                               
integrates both  institutions into  a seamless  pathway. Everyone                                                               
benefits  when a  student's first  experience is  with an  Alaska                                                               
college.  There is  no  need to  leave  Alaska for  postsecondary                                                               
education when a student can  accumulate college credits and earn                                                               
a college degree  or licensure while in high school.  Last year a                                                               
Kodiak student graduated with a  diploma and an associate degree.                                                               
He   said  continuous   budget  deficits   are  challenging   the                                                               
district's best  efforts to help  every child achieve  their full                                                               
potential,   but  tough   times  can   catalyze  new   scales  of                                                               
efficiency,  innovation,  and   collaborative  partnerships.  The                                                               
formal  partnership envisioned  in SB  30  is a  step forward  in                                                               
eliminating the  barriers that  challenge a  true K-12  system of                                                               
education. The agreement  about to be signed with  UAA provides a                                                               
stable foundation  for a long-term  partnership that  is somewhat                                                               
hardened from the tough financial times everyone is facing.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. LEDOUX  said the middle  college in  Kodiak is unique  to the                                                               
district's   circumstances  and   may  not   be  financially   or                                                               
logistically  feasible in  all  districts.  He expressed  concern                                                               
about  the language  [on page  2, subsection  (c)] that  requires                                                               
school  districts  to pay  all  costs,  including tuition,  fees,                                                               
books, and  transportation. He said  it is unlikely that  a small                                                               
school district would have enough  students in a cohort to reduce                                                               
the need  for a  teacher, so  every dollar  spent on  tuition and                                                               
fees would represent a new  cost. This is frightening considering                                                               
the  budget  landscape.   He  said  there  should   be  time  for                                                               
districts, universities,  and communities  to work  out contracts                                                               
and perhaps  there could be language  that participating students                                                               
would not incur the full cost of  tuition. He said he will not be                                                               
part  of any  middle  college  program that  denies  access if  a                                                               
student cannot  pay the cost.  He noted that  homeschool students                                                               
can  use their  allotment to  pay for  college courses.  He noted                                                               
that  SB 30  refers  to  students completing  10th  grade but  he                                                               
believes that  access to  the middle college  should be  based on                                                               
performance, not completion of a grade level.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS asked for his  thoughts on making sure students are                                                               
prepared.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DR.  LEDOUX  said  the  district is  reviewing  its  entire  K-12                                                               
program to  ensure students have  the skills to be  successful in                                                               
college  or tech  school. Many  currently  are not.  He said  the                                                               
intent  is  to make  sure  all  the  transition points  are  well                                                               
connected, not just  between high school and  college. They start                                                               
with the  expectations of universities  or tech schools  and work                                                               
backwards to make sure kids are ready.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  read  from  the   National  Conference  of  State                                                               
Legislatures' paper on dual enrollment:                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     In Utah,  the New Century Scholarship  Program exemplifies a                                                               
     statewide  dual  enrollment  policy that  distributes  costs                                                               
     among  program partners,  allowing  students to  participate                                                               
     without incurring personal costs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES asked if the  committee would have the opportunity                                                               
to ask the  Department of Education and  Early Development (DEED)                                                               
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS said  there would  be that  opportunity and  noted                                                               
that DEED's  fiscal note is  zero and the university  fiscal note                                                               
is indeterminate.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:26:13 AM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR HUGHES  commented that the sponsor's  intentions are very                                                               
noble  because middle  college is  an  excellent opportunity  for                                                               
kids.  Noting that  students would  be  responsible for  expenses                                                               
other  than tuition,  she  said that  could  include housing  for                                                               
rural  students  who  come  to  urban  campuses.  She  questioned                                                               
whether putting a formal structure  for middle college in statute                                                               
makes the  case for an adjustment  in the school formula  so that                                                               
rural  district could  pay the  additional expense.  If not,  she                                                               
questioned whether there is a risk  of a lawsuit about equity for                                                               
students.  She  cited  an  NCSL  (National  Conference  of  State                                                               
Legislatures) article that says  dual enrollment terms describe a                                                               
variety of accelerated learning  practices and questioned whether                                                               
the  dual  enrollment  policy  in  Alaska  doesn't  already  give                                                               
districts  sufficient  flexibility.  She reiterated  her  concern                                                               
about  the potential  cost  of outlining  a  formal structure  in                                                               
state statute and asked DEED to respond.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  replied that  SB  30  seeks  to add  to  existing                                                               
programs, not replace them.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH  suggested  the committee  review  Superintendent                                                               
LeDoux's testimony when he mentioned  a series of different ideas                                                               
when he discussed subsection (c).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS said  the committee will find out what  is in state                                                               
statute  about  dual enrollment  and  will  hear from  DEED  when                                                               
someone is available.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BIRCH  related  his early  construction  experience  was                                                               
building schools in  rural areas as required by  the Molly Hootch                                                               
Act,  which mandated  the state  provide an  equivalent level  of                                                               
education statewide. He said Senator  Hughes' concern is that the                                                               
state funds  100 percent of  the cost  of some rural  schools and                                                               
with the  "shall" provision,  there will  be an  expectation that                                                               
the state  will provide  a middle  college program  statewide. He                                                               
said  it  is  a  valid  issue and  he  looks  forward  to  DEED's                                                               
comments.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS found that a  DEED representative was not available                                                               
and reiterated that the committee will get answers eventually.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:32:38 AM                                                                                                                    
GENE  STONE, Chief  of Operations,  Lower  Yukon School  District                                                               
(LYSD), Mountain Village,  Alaska, said that by  supporting SB 30                                                               
LYSD is  demonstrating that  it believes  that students  who meet                                                               
qualifying criteria can benefit  substantially from early college                                                               
experience plus  accumulate college  credits toward  an associate                                                               
degree.  He related  that  as  a participant  in  the design  and                                                               
implementation of Mat-Su Middle College,  he is familiar with the                                                               
benefits and cost structure of  the program. He opined that using                                                               
K-12  dollars   for  dual-credit   middle  college  is   a  smart                                                               
investment.  He  said  the  partnership   between  LYSD  and  the                                                               
Anchorage  School  District  (ASD)  students  will  facilitate  a                                                               
middle  college opportunity  for  LYSD  students. Their  students                                                               
will  live  in an  LYSD  residential  facility in  Anchorage  and                                                               
attend  Anchorage Middle  College as  LYSD students.  He reported                                                               
that  early research  of middle  college models  found that  "the                                                               
power of  the place" is key  to the success of  a middle college.                                                               
Simply  providing  dual  credit through  Advanced  Placement  and                                                               
online courses  does not provide  a campus experience.  The early                                                               
success of the Anchorage and  Mat-Su middle colleges was a direct                                                               
result  of   students  experiencing  the  power   of  the  place,                                                               
experiencing college courses on a UAA campus.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. STONE said statewide participation  should be encouraged, but                                                               
a statewide  plan is  needed to  provide a  residential component                                                               
for   qualifying  students.   While   LYSD   has  addressed   the                                                               
residential   component,   further   discussion  is   needed   to                                                               
facilitate  residential  requirements   for  other  districts  to                                                               
satisfy the "shall" language.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO  said she  is encouraged  by the  innovation and                                                               
creativity that  LYSD and ASD  have shown in putting  the program                                                               
together. She described it as  a win-win situation; LYSD is using                                                               
some of the $24,000 it gets  per student through the base student                                                               
allocation (BSA)  formula to  partner with  ASD so  students have                                                               
the  opportunity to  go to  a larger  community and  perhaps take                                                               
classes at King  Career Center, along with  academic courses. She                                                               
asked for more financial details about the agreement.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STONE  clarified that  the  BSA  is  closer to  $18,500  per                                                               
student.  LYSD purchased  three buildings  to have  a boys  and a                                                               
girls  residential facility  and an  administrative facility  and                                                               
the  district will  purchase credits  through Anchorage.  At King                                                               
Tech, LYSC will  purchase after normal school  hour sessions that                                                               
are taught by ASD teachers.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COSTELLO described  it  as a  wonderful  model to  offer                                                               
career and technical opportunities that  may not be accessible in                                                               
rural  areas.  She offered  kudos  for  the innovation.  This  is                                                               
exactly the kind  of partnerships that are needed  in Alaska, she                                                               
said.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES  agreed  with Senator  Costello's  comments.  She                                                               
asked if LYSD was able  to absorb the residential cost, including                                                               
the purchase  of the buildings, using  the BSA funding or  if the                                                               
district was requesting a separate appropriation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STONE said  LYSD is using statute to  qualify for residential                                                               
funding. He  noted that statute  provides an opportunity  for the                                                               
commissioner to  authorize up  to $1 million  for the  startup of                                                               
the  residential facility.  Using K-12  dollars to  access middle                                                               
college  would  eliminate  the  need   for  some  teachers  in  a                                                               
traditional high school structure. If  LYSD brings 50 students in                                                               
every nine weeks, they will  be able to reorganize FTE (full-time                                                               
equivalent) for staffing at the secondary level.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  asked how much the  statutory residential funding                                                               
would amount to.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. STONE answered  that it will depend on  the regional formula.                                                               
He said  he wasn't sure  of the  amount but the  Northwest Arctic                                                               
[Borough  receives]  $16,000  per  student  for  the  residential                                                               
component  and some  transportation.  Grant  funding also  helped                                                               
facilitate transportation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES asked  with 50  students  in a  cohort, how  many                                                               
cohorts would LYSD do per year.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. STONE answered four cohorts, including a summer cohort.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  commented on the  potential fiscal impact  of the                                                               
residential school  bill that  expanded the  capacity of  DEED to                                                               
approve regional residential schools. He  said he brought that up                                                               
to  caution   against  establishing  DEED   approved  residential                                                               
schools that result in a  massive fiscal note for the department.                                                               
He suggested the  committee look at the model  that was described                                                               
to  ensure the  bill does  not raise  questions about  equity and                                                               
cause  every  district  in  the state  to  demand  a  residential                                                               
school. That is not the intent.  Rather, the intent is to offer a                                                               
new  option  to  students  to  help  move  them  to  success  and                                                               
hopefully lower the cost for school districts.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  announced that Paul  Prussing from  the Department                                                               
of Education was available to answer questions.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES asked  if there  is a  dual enrollment  policy in                                                               
statute.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:46:12 AM                                                                                                                    
PAUL   PRUSSING,  Acting   Program  Coordinator,   Department  of                                                               
Education   and  Early   Development   (DEED),  Juneau,   Alaska,                                                               
responded not that he was aware of.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES  asked  whether formalizing  the  middle  college                                                               
structure in  statute sets  up a case  for adjusting  the funding                                                               
formula to allow rural school  districts to offer middle college.                                                               
The costs  for those rural  districts might  involve transporting                                                               
students to urban  areas and housing them,  even if participation                                                               
is  permissive rather  than  mandatory. She  asked  if the  state                                                               
would be  obligated to cover those  costs and even if  the answer                                                               
is no, if there could be a question of equity.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PRUSSING replied  that  he didn't  know  how districts  were                                                               
funding  programs  now.  His   understanding  of  middle  college                                                               
programs  is that  the  school districts  would  pay tuition  and                                                               
associated  costs   through  the  existing  ADM   [average  daily                                                               
membership] for each student. He  said he believes that districts                                                               
could  leverage  their existing  funds  to  offer middle  college                                                               
courses, but he didn't know for sure.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES said  Mr. Stone testified that LKSD  is looking at                                                               
the residential statutes to possibly  get $16,000 per student for                                                               
200 students  a year plus  the startup funds for  the residential                                                               
component. She  asked if he  could calculate the  additional cost                                                               
if  other rural  districts  duplicated that  model  of using  the                                                               
residential statutes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PRUSSING responded  that he would need to  ask School Finance                                                               
to run those calculations.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  said he  heard differently  and would  suggest the                                                               
committee asked  Mr. Stone to  clarify the costs. [Mr.  Stone was                                                               
no longer available.]                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:53:12 AM                                                                                                                    
DR.  LISA  SKILES  PARADY,   Ph.D.,  Executive  Director,  Alaska                                                               
Council  of School  Administrators (ACSA),  Juneau, Alaska,  said                                                               
her  members   support  choice  and  increased   opportunity  for                                                               
students.  She  opined  that  if  the  requirement  language  was                                                               
removed,  everyone would  be on  the same  page. She  said it  is                                                               
cause for  celebration that school  districts are  creating great                                                               
opportunities  for students  without  a mandate.  She noted  that                                                               
[ASD Superintendent]  Dr. Bishop said  middle college may  not be                                                               
for  every student  or every  district;  [Mat-Su School  District                                                               
Superintendent]  Dr.  Goyette said  about  eight  percent of  her                                                               
students  attend  middle  college and  recommended  changing  the                                                               
language from  "shall" to  "may;" Dr. LeDoux  said the  model may                                                               
not fit for  every district, but it fits for  them; and Mr. Stone                                                               
said  the   LYSD  concept  of  the   residential  opportunity  in                                                               
Anchorage is working  for their students but it may  not be right                                                               
for every district.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. PARADY  said ACSA wants to  support this model, but  not as a                                                               
requirement  for  every  district.   She  noted  that  [Executive                                                               
Director  of Alaska  Commission on  Postsecondary Education]  Ms.                                                               
Butler testified about the numerous  districts working on bridges                                                               
and  transitions across  the state.  She  informed the  committee                                                               
that a  coalition of all  Southeast Alaska districts,  minus two,                                                               
is  working with  Sealaska, the  University  of Alaska  Southeast                                                               
(UAS) College of Education, and  ANSEP (Alaska Native Science and                                                               
Engineering  Program)  to  build  a  middle  college  hybrid  for                                                               
Southeast  Alaska  students.  The  scale   is  not  the  same  as                                                               
Anchorage, Mat-Su,  or Kodiak,  but they are  trying to  do their                                                               
own middle college program. They  are meeting regularly to figure                                                               
out funding sources  and how to make it work  for their kids with                                                               
the  UAS  campus  as  a  hub. She  emphasized  that  so  much  is                                                               
happening that  a mandate  is not  necessary. She  reiterated the                                                               
recommendation  to  change "shall"  to  "may"  if the  bill  goes                                                               
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. PARADY  said Senator  Hughes raised  important considerations                                                               
about  housing. Senator  Birch  mentioned  virtual education  and                                                               
that  raises the  question about  whether districts  that do  not                                                               
have  a   campus  have  adequate   bandwidth  to   offer  virtual                                                               
education. That  is an  equity issue. She  said she  is confident                                                               
that  all  districts are  looking  at  how  to best  serve  their                                                               
students.  She opined  that everyone  in  education today  thinks                                                               
about that.  The job of  school boards at  the local level  is to                                                               
work with school districts to best meet those needs.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DR. PARADY said  that a requirement to do more  with less may not                                                               
be  the  right step  for  public  education  at this  point.  She                                                               
thanked  Senator Stevens  and the  committee  for their  constant                                                               
attention on  how to improve  education. She expressed  hope that                                                               
her comments  be taken  as supportive  of the  concept of  how to                                                               
increase  opportunities  for students  in  Alaska.  She said  her                                                               
final comment  is that  the fiscal  note did  not account  for an                                                               
analysis of the districts. The  zero note from the department and                                                               
indeterminant  note from  the university  and says  nothing about                                                               
the cost at  the local level. ACSA  does not see it  that way and                                                               
believes that analysis is needed.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS responded that it is  a good point about the fiscal                                                               
note. He  said he  would like  to hear  more about  the Southeast                                                               
hybrid model.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DR. PARADY  said she  would share  the contact  information after                                                               
the meeting.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  HUGHES  asked   if  she  was  familiar   with  the  dual                                                               
enrollment  policies  that  other  states  have  in  statute  and                                                               
whether ACSA could recommend any of those policies.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR.  PARADY answered  that she  would work  with her  members and                                                               
follow up with that information.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
10:03:11 AM                                                                                                                   
SENATOR  BEGICH recalled  that that  when there  was a  community                                                               
college system statewide, he was able  to take both a high school                                                               
and college course  at ACC when he was 16  and receive credit for                                                               
both.  The  dual  authority  existed  in  the  community  college                                                               
structure under AS 14.45.70. He  asked if that authority might be                                                               
presupposed to exist between the  university system, in Anchorage                                                               
in particular, and school districts.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  said he  believes the first  "shall" clause  is a                                                               
protection of equity so every  student has the opportunity to use                                                               
the middle college concept. It  is the second "shall" clause that                                                               
drives the cost. He asked Dr.  Parady to consider that there is a                                                               
place to  still provide every  student the opportunity  to access                                                               
middle college programs.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  noted that  since the  legislature is  the school                                                               
board for the unorganized borough,  that cost should be reflected                                                               
in the  fiscal notes.  Regional Attendance  Areas (REAA)  may not                                                               
appear to be under the  legislature's jurisdiction, but they are.                                                               
He  encourage  DEED to  report  on  the  impacts for  REAAs.  The                                                               
districts  in organized  boroughs  should report  those costs  or                                                               
cost savings.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS  said  that  it   is  a  good  reminder  that  the                                                               
legislature is the school board for the unorganized borough.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. PARADY  said she completely  supports knowing the  full cost,                                                               
especially for  the unorganized borough. She  clarified that ACSA                                                               
members  support the  middle college  model  if it  didn't add  a                                                               
financial burden and was equitable.  She pointed out that another                                                               
option is for the University of  Alaska to waive those costs. She                                                               
said  there are  a lot  of  ways to  look at  this before  moving                                                               
forward. with an additional requirement.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS said  the university is supportive  of this program                                                               
but whether they would pick up costs is another question.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:08:15 AM                                                                                                                   
JACKIE  BOYER,  representing  self,   Juneau,  Alaska,  said  she                                                               
graduated from Alaska  Middle College in 2014 with  a high school                                                               
diploma and  an associate  degree as part  of the  first two-year                                                               
graduating  cohort. Because  of  her  education, she  immediately                                                               
started  working  for  a nonprofit  called  First  Alaskans.  The                                                               
following January she  was an intern for  the Alaska Legislature.                                                               
She thought  she still held the  title of youngest intern  as she                                                               
had  just  turned 19  at  the  time.  She  worked full  time  and                                                               
finished her  bachelor's degree  early while  raising two  of her                                                               
siblings.  She is  starting her  fifth year  of work  and has  to                                                               
remind herself  that she is  under 23.  Hard work and  coffee and                                                               
middle college made  her life possible. She didn't have  a lot of                                                               
support in high school, but  her initiative and ability to attend                                                               
middle  college and  jump start  her education  and career  had a                                                               
domino effect.  She has  had so  many opportunities  she wouldn't                                                               
have had.  The program  is not  just data  and statistics.  It is                                                               
individual stories of success.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  noted that she  got two  years of college  in high                                                               
school.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES asked how she heard of the program.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. BOYER said  she was planning to homeschool and  work and when                                                               
she heard of the Mat-Su middle college, she thought why not.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  STEVENS asked  if  there was  any  possibility of  reduced                                                               
university tuition for dual credit programs.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
10:13:00 AM                                                                                                                   
TERI COTHREN, Project Manager,  Workforce Programs, University of                                                               
Alaska, Anchorage, Alaska, replied  that the university submitted                                                               
an  indeterminate  fiscal   note  for  SB  30.   She  offered  to                                                               
investigate that further as the bill progresses.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BEGICH  asked whether  the university  currently provides                                                               
dual credit through agreements.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. COTHREN said  the university has several  models of supplying                                                               
dual credits.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BEGICH  pointed  out  that it  is  allowed  in  practice                                                               
whether or not it is in statute.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BIRCH  asked if  high school  students in  Fairbanks have                                                               
the ability to attend classes at the university.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COTHREN responded  that high  school  students have  several                                                               
opportunities  and   options  to  receive  dual   credit  at  the                                                               
university  campus in  Fairbanks. A  robust career  and technical                                                               
educational program has been in place for many years.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  said that she  understood that when  a university                                                               
works on a  partnership agreement, high school  students get high                                                               
school and college  credit. She asked whether a student  not in a                                                               
formal  agreement  who  decided  to   take  a  math  class  would                                                               
automatically  get high  school  credit.  She questioned  whether                                                               
other states had put that into state statute.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COTHREN  deferred   the  question  to  Dr.   Parady  or  the                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. PARADY answered  there are some differences  across the state                                                               
regarding  dual  credit.  University   of  Alaska  President  Jim                                                               
Johnsen has  formed a  task force  on that  question in  order to                                                               
have alignment and  consistency across the state. It  is an issue                                                               
UA is working on.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  noted the concerns  about setting students  up for                                                               
failure by taking  college classes they are not  prepared for. He                                                               
asked if they have any records of dropout rates.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. COTHREN  replied that UA was  in the process of  completing a                                                               
paper through UAA's Center for  Education Policy Research on dual                                                               
credit  outcomes.  More  information   would  be  available  this                                                               
spring.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:21:10 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR STEVENS opened public testimony.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:21:28 AM                                                                                                                   
BRIDGET  WEISS, Ph.D.,  Superintendent,  Juneau School  District,                                                               
Juneau, Alaska,  said school districts are  doing some incredible                                                               
things   across   state   with   dual   credit.   The   Southeast                                                               
collaboration is about preparing  students to access dual college                                                               
credit programs  early so that they  can ensure a larger  body of                                                               
students  are  academically and  socially  ready  for that  step.                                                               
ANSEP is  looking at  how to  initiate the  program with  UAS and                                                               
Southeast communities, using Southeast resources.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DR. WEISS said  last week she was in Senate  Finance listening to                                                               
the  proposed supplemental  budget education  cut of  $20 million                                                               
for the current  fiscal year and then heard the  discussion of SB                                                               
30.  As the  person  responsible  for meeting  the  needs in  the                                                               
district,  it was  disheartening.  She  completely applauded  the                                                               
dual credit  options that the  committee has heard of.  Last year                                                               
184  Juneau  School  District   students  received  dual  credit.                                                               
However,  the  unknowns  of  the   fiscal  impact  of  bill  were                                                               
unnerving  as all  districts are  facing unprecedented  financial                                                               
decisions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  asked if  the program  included the  Ketchikan and                                                               
Sitka campuses, as well as Juneau.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DR. WEISS answered yes, and they  partner with UAS. She asked the                                                               
committee to explore the subsidized tuition piece.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  COSTELLO said  that  she  used to  teach  in the  Juneau                                                               
School District after  graduating from the UAS Master  of Arts in                                                               
Teaching  program.  She  said  she   is  encouraged  by  all  the                                                               
opportunities for students and feels  strongly that every student                                                               
deserves  the  education they  are  ready  for. She  suggested  a                                                               
mandate might  not be the way  to go, but districts  sharing with                                                               
each other  about what they are  doing would be good.  She didn't                                                               
want the  governor's proposed  budget to mean  that this  type of                                                               
effort  stops.  She  stated  support  for  career  and  technical                                                               
education (CTE) and  dual credit and getting  students real world                                                               
skills.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR. WEISS said that one of  the biggest challenges is meeting the                                                               
needs  of the  continuum  of  students and  dual  credit plays  a                                                               
critical part  on how to serve  one end of the  continuum. CTE is                                                               
another. The  graduation rate for  students who take two  or more                                                               
CTE  courses  is 93  percent.  She  pointed  out that  those  CTE                                                               
programs become most vulnerable with fiscal challenges.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:29:01 AM                                                                                                                   
SCOTT MACMANUS,  Superintendent, Alaska Gateway  School District,                                                               
Tok, Alaska,  said Alaska  Gateway is a  small district  with 380                                                               
kids.  They   must  make  size   an  advantage   and  personalize                                                               
instruction.  Hundreds  of  students have  received  dual  credit                                                               
since  they started  offering it  in 2003.  The district  learned                                                               
that kids and families have to have  skin in the game in order to                                                               
be successful. When  the program started, 25  percent of students                                                               
didn't  pass their  classes. The  district  wasn't providing  the                                                               
tutoring and counseling support that  it does now, but also, when                                                               
the district was  paying all fees, kids didn't  finish. When kids                                                               
had to pay, the success rate jumped to 95 percent.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:32:26 AM                                                                                                                   
PATRICK MAYER, Superintendent,  Yakutat School District, Yakutat,                                                               
Alaska,  said  SB  30   represents  increased  opportunities  for                                                               
students through  the establishment of a  middle college program.                                                               
Many  districts offer  dual credit,  but  through many  different                                                               
models. In a  perfect world, the tenants of SB  30 would be ideal                                                               
and all  districts would  have the  same platform  and resources.                                                               
The reality is  that Alaska is diverse. Some  districts with less                                                               
monetary resources focus on a  cadre of small programs done well.                                                               
Yakutat operates on  the thinnest of margins  and couldn't afford                                                               
SB 30. When  they pay for dual credit classes  up front, students                                                               
don't  seem  to  have  the   motivation  to  complete  them,  but                                                               
completion  rates increase  when students  pay. Yakutat  does not                                                               
have  a local  campus,  and poor  connectivity prevents  multiple                                                               
students   from  participating   in  distance   delivery  classes                                                               
simultaneously. He said this is  an unfunded mandate. Dual credit                                                               
options  are a  local control  issue. He  urged the  committee to                                                               
substitute "may" for "shall" in SB 30.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS  said he appreciated  his comments. He  didn't want                                                               
to make life more difficult but to improve things.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
10:36:14 AM                                                                                                                   
CHRIS REITAN, Superintendent, Craig  City School District, Craig,                                                               
Alaska, said  he is in  full support of  SB 30 in  theory because                                                               
its intent is  to expand curriculum options  and ease transitions                                                               
from high  school to university. He  recommended changing "shall"                                                               
to  "may."  He  said  this  model  works  very  well  for  school                                                               
districts directly  connected to a local  university. Lower Yukon                                                               
School District  has a great  plan, but not all  school districts                                                               
can buy  a facility to offer  access. Craig and Galena,  where he                                                               
was  superintendent for  seven years,  are  looking at  expanding                                                               
dual credit with  tech prep agreements with  the university where                                                               
they  can house  the  classes  and have  a  local instructor.  He                                                               
emphasized the need to attach the  program to the local needs and                                                               
economy.  He noted  there are  many questions  are about  whether                                                               
this would require  a change to the BSA. He  said LYSD is looking                                                               
at AS 14.16.200,  which is state funding  for districts operating                                                               
residential  schools. That  would be  the vehicle  of funding  if                                                               
districts have  the wherewithal to  have a  residential facility.                                                               
He recommended the  committee look at that funding  because it is                                                               
broken down by region.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO asked  if students who are  pursuing dual credit                                                               
are  in the  classroom and  participating when  achievement tests                                                               
are administered.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  REITAN  replied  that  achievement  tests  are  specific  to                                                               
reading, writing, and math and  the dual credit programs at Craig                                                               
and Galena  are through  CTE fields,  such as  welding, aviation,                                                               
and carpentry.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:42:23 AM                                                                                                                   
DAVID NEESE,  representing self, Anchorage, Alaska,  described SB                                                               
30  as  a  nice  attempt to  expand  education  opportunities  in                                                               
Alaska. He suggested  that the "shall" provision  should apply to                                                               
unorganized parts of the state  where the legislature sits as the                                                               
school board  and the  "may" language  should apply  to organized                                                               
boroughs. He  also observed that  the bill limits the  program to                                                               
University   of  Alaska   campuses,   so   dual  credit   through                                                               
correspondence will need to be considered.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
10:45:51 AM                                                                                                                   
STEWART  MCDONALD,  Superintendent,  North Slope  Borough  School                                                               
District,  Utqiagvik, Alaska,  said the  dual credit  program has                                                               
been around since Alaska had  community colleges, but it isn't an                                                               
organized effort.  The first inconsistency  is that  school board                                                               
graduation  requirements limit  the kind  of credit  that can  be                                                               
given. A student  who has completed a full semester  of a college                                                               
course may  only receive a  half credit toward their  high school                                                               
graduation  requirements.   He  said  he  understands   that  the                                                               
university  is trying  to resolve  those  inconsistencies but  it                                                               
cannot change school board policy.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCDONALD  pointed out  that dual credit  is not  an organized                                                               
degree-seeking program  so students  cannot officially work  on a                                                               
degree  until they  receive their  high school  diploma. He  also                                                               
pointed out the need to work  out the funding mechanisms for when                                                               
the  university  supplies  the teacher  versus  when  the  public                                                               
school system provides  the teacher, all of which  can affect the                                                               
cost  to the  districts. Technical  assistance also  needs to  be                                                               
provided to all 53 school  districts throughout the state because                                                               
not  everybody is  at  the  same level.  He  said  this can  help                                                               
everyone  get  focused and  resolve  issues  rather than  letting                                                               
everybody discover the pitfalls.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCDONALD said  that under  the current  dual credit  system,                                                               
students seeking professional  certifications will take countless                                                               
CTE dual  credit courses that  do not in  the long run  support a                                                               
degree. The  credits are  not transferable  because they  are not                                                               
inside the  structure of a  degree. He said  the key here  is the                                                               
"shall" and  "may" discussion. The mechanism  of mandated payment                                                               
needs to ensure  the technical work and fiscal plan  is sound and                                                               
doable at  scalable levels. Especially for  single site districts                                                               
like Yakutat.  He said he  applauds the effort represented  in SB                                                               
30 completely  and strongly urges  that the funding  mechanism is                                                               
part of  the mandate. He said  we need to pull  together and sort                                                               
out these details.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR STEVENS said he appreciates the comments.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:52:22 AM                                                                                                                   
JEFF  DEETER,   School  Board   Member,  Alaska   Gateway  School                                                               
District, Tok, Alaska, recounted  how dual credit benefitted both                                                               
himself when he  was in high school in the  Alaska Gateway School                                                               
District and  his children. He said  he ran for the  school board                                                               
because of the  discrepancy between the rigor of  core UA classes                                                               
and what  was available  in Dot Lake.  The school  board recently                                                               
worked  to  make  that  transfer  between  high  school  and  the                                                               
university  more  on  par.  He   said  he  is  pleased  with  the                                                               
discussion  and  eager to  see  the  bill  move forward  but  the                                                               
"shall" or "may" in today's  fiscal climate is a concern. Another                                                               
concern is that  the university should make the  decision about a                                                               
ninth grader who has demonstrated proficiency.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR COSTELLO commented on the value of his testimony.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:58:54 AM                                                                                                                   
KATHY  MOFFITT,  Director,   Administrative  Projects,  Anchorage                                                               
School District,  Anchorage, Alaska,  said SB 30  supports choice                                                               
and  opportunity for  students  who meet  criteria  to enroll  in                                                               
college  courses.  She  shared   that  she  was  instrumental  in                                                               
bringing  middle college  programs  to Mat-Su  and the  Anchorage                                                               
School  District.  She  has  seen   first-hand  the  benefits  to                                                               
students and  their families. She  said SB 30 has  parameters but                                                               
allows flexibility for  each unique district. She  said she knows                                                               
the implementation  processes will  need refinement.  She offered                                                               
her belief that  the state has the resources to  support and work                                                               
through hurdles  or roadblocks.  She said  she supports  the word                                                               
"shall" because it will require  school districts to consider how                                                               
to  move beyond  the K-12  curriculum.  She added  that she  does                                                               
believe there  must be an opt-out  plan, which could be  a report                                                               
on a why a district could not offer the program.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  asked if  she believes  that the  current funding                                                               
school  districts statewide  receive  would be  adequate for  all                                                               
districts to implement a middle college model.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. MOFFITT answered that it is  hard to predict what hurdles and                                                               
roadblocks there  might be. Districts  may implement  dual credit                                                               
programs  through correspondence,  one course,  or CTE.  She said                                                               
she  interprets the  bill as  telling districts  "you shall  look                                                               
into it," but there must be an opt out.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES said it is important  for us to understand if some                                                               
districts  aren't allowing  that  college credit  to count  maybe                                                               
that  districts have  crosswalks so  students know  that if  they                                                               
take a  certain math  class that  it will  count for  high school                                                               
credit.  Noting that  David Neese  testified that  correspondence                                                               
coursework met the  Moore vs. State of Alaska  decision, she said                                                               
it  is  important  to  hear from  DEED  about  whether  distance,                                                               
virtual coursework  would meet  the equity  requirement or  if it                                                               
must be a live, on-campus experience.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11:07:07 AM                                                                                                                   
CHAIR STEVENS concurred that it is important to know. He held SB                                                                
30 in committee.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:07:27 AM                                                                                                                   
There being no further business to come before the committee,                                                                   
Chair Stevens adjourned the Senate Education Standing Committee                                                                 
meeting at 11:07.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB030_MiddleColleges_BillText_VersionU.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_SponsorStatement_29Jan2019.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_Sectional_VersionU.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_FiscalNote01_UnivAK_29Jan2019.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_FiscalNote02_DEED_28Jan2019.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_Research_DualEnroll NCSL March 2008.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_Research_SeattleTimes_March2018.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_Research_OregonRunningStart_Feb2016.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_Letters_AASB_NormWooten_13Nov2018.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
SB 30
SB030_MiddleColleges_Letters_AKGateway_MacManus_28Jan2019.pdf SEDC 2/12/2019 9:00:00 AM
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