02/22/2024 01:30 PM Senate COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS
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| SB179 | |
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
    SENATE COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                  
                       February 22, 2024                                                                                        
                           1:31 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Forrest Dunbar, Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Elvi Gray-Jackson                                                                                                       
Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                          
Senator Cathy Giessel                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Donald Olson, Vice Chair                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 236                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to grants to disaster victims."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 8                                                                                              
Recognizing and commending the National Conference of State                                                                     
Legislatures on its 50th anniversary in 2025.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 179                                                                                                             
"An  Act prohibiting  municipalities  from levying  a  tax on  the                                                              
transfer of  real property; prohibiting  the state from  levying a                                                              
tax on  the transfer of real  property; and relating  to municipal                                                              
taxation of mobile telecommunications services."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSB 179(CRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 161                                                                                                             
"An Act relating to municipal taxation of farm use land; and                                                                    
providing for an effective date."                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - REMOVED FROM AGENDA                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 236                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: GRANTS TO DISASTER VICTIMS                                                                                         
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) KIEHL                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
02/15/24       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/15/24       (S)       CRA, FIN                                                                                               
02/22/24       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SCR  8                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: RECOGNIZING NCSL ON 50TH ANNIVERSARY                                                                               
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) STEVENS                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
01/16/24       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/24       (S)       CRA                                                                                                    
02/22/24       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SB 179                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: PROPERTY TRANSFER TAX; MUNI TELECOMM TAX                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): SENATOR(s) BJORKMAN                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
01/16/24       (S)       PREFILE RELEASED 1/12/24                                                                               
01/16/24       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
01/16/24       (S)       CRA                                                                                                    
02/15/24       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
02/15/24       (S)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/15/24       (S)       MINUTE(CRA)                                                                                            
02/22/24       (S)       CRA AT 1:30 PM BELTZ 105 (TSBldg)                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JESSE KIEHL, District B                                                                                                 
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor of SB 236.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ELLA ADKISON, Staff                                                                                                             
Senator Jesse Kiehl                                                                                                             
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented the sectional analysis for SB 236                                                               
on behalf of the sponsor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
WADE BRYSON, Assembly Member                                                                                                    
City and Borough of Juneau                                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited testimony on behalf of the                                                                   
Juneau Assembly in support of SB 236.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SYLVIA HEINZ, representing self                                                                                                 
Haines, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited  testimony in support of SB 236.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
STEVE BRADFORD, Vice-President                                                                                                  
Riverside Condo Association                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited  testimony in support of SB 236.                                                             
                                                                                                                                
TIM LAMKIN, Staff                                                                                                               
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Introduced SCR 8 on behalf of the sponsor.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SYDNE ENLUND, State Outreach Manager                                                                                            
National Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL)                                                                                
Denver, Colorado                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT: Gave invited testimony on SCR 8.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KONRAD JACKSON, Staff                                                                                                           
Senator Jesse Bjorkman                                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT: Explained  a Legal  Services memo  on SB  179                                                            
dated February 19, 2024, written by Mr. Dunmire.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:31:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  FORREST DUNBAR  called the  Senate  Community and  Regional                                                            
Affairs Standing  Committee meeting to order at  1:31 p.m. Present                                                              
at  the  call  to  order  were   Senators  Giessel,  Gray-Jackson,                                                              
Bjorkman,  and   Chair  Dunbar.  [Due  to   technical  difficulty,                                                              
approximately  10 seconds  of the  recorded minutes  were lost  at                                                              
gavel-in.  The  Senate  Records  Office  log notes  were  used  to                                                              
complete the record.]                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
               SB 236-GRANTS TO DISASTER VICTIMS                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:32:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  announced the consideration  of SENATE BILL  NO. 236                                                              
"An Act relating to grants to disaster victims."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He said  this is the  introductory hearing  of SB 236.  He invited                                                              
the  bill sponsor  to  put himself  on the  record  and begin  his                                                              
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:32:31 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  JESSE  KIEHL,  District   B,  Alaska  State  Legislature,                                                              
Juneau,  Alaska,  sponsor of  SB  236, paraphrased  the  following                                                              
sponsor statement:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Living  in Alaska  is a  privilege, but  one that  comes                                                                   
     with  costs. Chief  among them  is the  risk of  natural                                                                   
     disasters.  These  disasters  can upend  lives,  and  be                                                                   
     incredibly destructive.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Many of  these tragic  events do not  rise to the  level                                                                   
     of  a federal  disaster declared  by  the President.  SB
     236  fixes  two  issues with  aid  in  those  state-only                                                                   
     disasters.  Under current  law, Alaskans  who survive  a                                                                   
     disaster  can   receive  a  mere  $21,000half    of  the                                                                   
     federal  relief  numberfrom   the  state  to  cover  the                                                                   
     costs of  the damage. For  many, that doesn't  even come                                                                   
     close  to  covering   the  need.  Not  only   that,  but                                                                   
     Alaskans  who are a  part of  a condo association  can't                                                                   
     use that  relief to pay  off any condo-wide  damage. So,                                                                   
     if the  condo's foundation  was damaged,  you can't  use                                                                   
     state   help  to  pay   for  itbut    you  can   replace                                                                   
     furniture. This  is a real  problem for the  citizens of                                                                   
     our state.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     SB  236  increases  the  state   relief  amount  to  the                                                                   
     greater   of  $50,000   or  half   the  federal   relief                                                                   
     allowable. It  also gives Alaskans  who own a  condo the                                                                   
     flexibility  to  pay  off   their  share  of  condo-wide                                                                   
     expenses with  that money. It's the least we  can do for                                                                   
     those striving to recover from a disaster.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:33:33 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  KIEHL said  in recent  years,  constituents and  Alaskans                                                              
statewide have found  gaps in the State's response  to state-level                                                              
disasters. SB 236 proposes to close two of these gaps by:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Increasing the Amount of State Disaster Relief                                                                                
•  The amount  of assistance  available from  the disaster  relief                                                              
   fund for a state-level disaster is currently up to half the                                                                  
   amount that FEMA  will pay,  about $21,000.  He said  that does                                                              
   not fix much.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
•  Senate  Bill  236  addresses  this  by   setting  the  disaster                                                              
   assistance available at the  greater of $50,000 or  half of the                                                              
   federal disaster  assistance level.  State disaster  assistance                                                              
   is based on a person's actual losses,  not automatically paying                                                              
   $50,000.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Common Expense Liability for Condo Homeowners Associations                                                                    
•  The  current  law  does  not  allow  a  homeowner  in  a  condo                                                              
   association to  cover  disaster-caused  damages for  which  the                                                              
   homeowners association bills them. The old  saying is that  you                                                              
   own it from the  paint in,  while  the roof and  foundation are                                                              
   owned by, and  the obligation  of, the homeowners  association.                                                              
   If  the  disaster  damages  the  roof  or  foundation  and  the                                                              
   homeowners association bills  each unit owner, it  doesn't meet                                                              
   the current law for  state disaster assistance  eligibility. SB
   236 fixes  this  by  allowing  condo  owners  to  use  disaster                                                              
   assistance to pay such bills.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:36:15 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR KIEHL  said that  although the  legislature could  spend a                                                              
lot of  time and  money addressing  every possibility  of disaster                                                              
damage, that  is not  the case with  this bill.  SB 236  plugs one                                                              
glaring hole  and raises  the amount of  money provided  to fellow                                                              
Alaskans to get them back on their feet.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:36:51 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON asked what the federal disaster amount is.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KIEHL replied that it is approximately $42,000.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:37:20 PM                                                                                                                    
ELLA   ADKISON,  Staff,   Senator   Jesse   Kiehl,  Alaska   State                                                              
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska,  presented  the following  sectional                                                              
analysis for SB 236 on behalf of the sponsor:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               SB 236 ver. U: Disaster Assistance                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
                       Sectional Analysis                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
       Sec. 1: Repeals and reenacts a previously existing                                                                     
     section in statute without substantive changes so the                                                                      
     format is consistent with later sections.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
      Sec. 2: Increases the maximum amount of state aid to                                                                    
     the greater of $50,000 or half of the federal maximum,                                                                     
     currently, the maximum is approximately $21,000.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Allows a grantee who is a member of a condo                                                                           
     association to use state aid to pay for their share of                                                                     
     condo-wide damage expenses.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:38:24 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR announced invited testimony on SB 236.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:38:29 PM                                                                                                                    
WADE  BRYSON,  Assembly  Member,   City  and  Borough  of  Juneau,                                                              
Juneau,  Alaska, gave  invited testimony  on behalf  of the  Mayor                                                              
and the  Juneau Assembly in  support of  SB 236. He  described the                                                              
flood  damage caused  by a  jokulhlaup at  the Mendenhall  Glacier                                                              
last August. Water  rose within a foot of cresting  the Mendenhall                                                              
Back Loop Bridge;  the bridge is usually 20 feet  above the river.                                                              
He  joined  Capital   City  Fire  and  Rescue   and  U.S.  Senator                                                              
Murkowski in the  observation of land formation  changes after the                                                              
flood. The  river straightened  where there  were once  "S" turns,                                                              
chunks of  mountain hundreds  of yards long  were gone,  and large                                                              
rocks were displaced.  He attended a public  neighborhood meeting.                                                              
He reported that  residents were scared and panicked.  As chair of                                                              
Public Works  and Facilities, he  heard public testimony  from the                                                              
community. He said  that residents felt the city  was unsupportive                                                              
and expected more aid.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRYSON  said that he  felt helpless  as a politician.  He said                                                              
the only  promise he could make  was that there were  no promises.                                                              
The situation  was  beyond the city's  control  and relied  on the                                                              
State for  relief. Disasters  create panic  because people  do not                                                              
know what to do  next, how quickly aid will come,  or if insurance                                                              
will  cover damages.  In this  case,  earth movement  disqualified                                                              
insurance claims.  He said an  increase in State  assistance would                                                              
provide  relief  during  trying  times. He  emphasized  that  most                                                              
people's wealth  is in  their homes. He  stated that  retirees who                                                              
lost their  homes were  the most  affected and  wondered how  they                                                              
would  start  over.  Increasing  the  assistance  cap  to  $50,000                                                              
offers  more surety  to  citizens experiencing  one  of the  worst                                                              
moments of  their lives where  they had no  home to return  to. He                                                              
said  that   no  district  in   Alaska  is  immune   from  natural                                                              
disasters.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BRYSON  expressed  appreciation  to  the  committee  for  the                                                              
opportunity to  share his  experience and speak  on behalf  of his                                                              
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:43:02 PM                                                                                                                    
SYLVIA  HEINZ, representing  self,  Haines,  Alaska, gave  invited                                                              
testimony  in support  of SB 236,  stating she  resides in  Haines                                                              
and Juneau. She  said that she worked with the  Long Term Recovery                                                              
Group  in   Haines.  It   disbanded  after   that  disaster   work                                                              
concluded.  She  spoke from  her  professional experience  as  the                                                              
Tribal  Emergency Manager  for  the Chilkoot  Indian  Association,                                                              
the Reconstruction  Project Manager, and the  Deputy Administrator                                                              
for  Alaska  Team  Rubicon.  She  said  she  is  honored  to  have                                                              
responded to disasters statewide and in the Lower 48.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  HEINZ  encouraged  support   of  SB  236  for  the  following                                                              
reasons:                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
•  Alaskans  need it,  and  the  current  funding  is  inadequate.                                                              
   Disasters are increasing in frequency and intensity, and the                                                                 
   likelihood of experiencing one is growing.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
•  The economic benefits. This  funding creates jobs,  and much of                                                              
 the money goes toward contractors and reconstruction efforts.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
•  Trust. She said Alaska  has one of the country's  best Homeland                                                              
   Security and Emergency Management divisions. It and the                                                                      
   Individual Assistance (IA) program effectively manage disaster                                                               
   funds.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:45:05 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  HEINZ recounted  the  2020 disaster  in  Haines, where  heavy                                                              
rain  and snow  led  to landslides,  fatalities,  and  significant                                                              
damage  to  250 households.  About  34  percent of  the  community                                                              
reported damage.  She later assessed  another 140  households that                                                              
needed assistance.  Communities cannot recover by  themselves with                                                              
those numbers.  She said  that she could  share story  after story                                                              
of  the   community's  reliance   on  state-managed   funding  for                                                              
recovery. Without  funding, some  people could  not get  back into                                                              
their homes and  the State would still be supporting  them through                                                              
tax dollars  and public assistance.  She reiterated  that Alaskans                                                              
need this bill.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:47:00 PM                                                                                                                    
STEVE  BRADFORD,  Vice-President,   Riverside  Condo  Association,                                                              
Juneau, Alaska,  gave invited testimony  in support of SB  236. He                                                              
described the  2023 flood damage  and the subsequent  repair costs                                                              
as follows:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
•  The association lost one hundred feet of  front yard out to the                                                              
   river.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
•  One hundred  cubic yards  of  soil was  lost  beneath the  most                                                              
   damaged building, which almost collapsed and was nearly lost                                                                 
   to the river.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
• The association is in the process of repairing that building.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
• The total repair costs are expected to be about $1.09 million.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
•  State law does not allow  financial grants to condo  owners, so                                                              
   condo unit owners must bear the cost of repairs. Only single-                                                                
   family residences are entitled up to the $21,000 in State                                                                    
   disaster relief.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
•  Each condo  owner has  been assessed  $21,062  for the  smaller                                                              
   units and $26,882 for the larger units.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRADFORD  emphasized that, in  many cases, condos  are starter                                                              
homes.  Many condo  owners could  barely  afford to  get into  the                                                              
condo and  pay the  monthly condo  fees, making these  assessments                                                              
especially  burdensome.  He  noted  that the  internal  costs  for                                                              
sheetrock,  tile, and  flooring  damage were  in  addition to  the                                                              
condo assessments.  Riverside condo owners  wholeheartedly support                                                              
this bill,  which would place them  on the same  emergency benefit                                                              
eligibility level as single-family homeowners.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:49:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  asked who  insures the  Riverside Condo  Association                                                              
and  about the  insurer's justification  for refusing  to pay  for                                                              
the damage.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BRADFORD replied  that the insurer is State Farm.  He said the                                                              
insurance policy  states, "In Alaska,  Florida, and  several other                                                              
states, earth movement  negates the insurance." He  explained that                                                              
the insurer  does not pay  for any damage  due to earth  movement.                                                              
There was  no water on residents'  floors, so there was  no actual                                                              
flooding. However,  the river  whisked away  the soil  beneath the                                                              
building and under  the foundation. The policy  was exactly right.                                                              
He said  that it would  not have mattered  if the association  had                                                              
flood  insurance   or  not  if  there  was  earth   movement,  the                                                              
insurance would not pay.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:50:44 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  commented that it  is unfortunate. He  surmised that                                                              
there are  probably a  lot of  people who  think they are  covered                                                              
but are  not. It is  frightening to think  and a little  shameful.                                                              
He thanked Mr. Bradford for his testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:51:15 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR opened  public testimony on SB 236;  finding none, he                                                              
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNBAR held SB 236 in committee.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
          SCR  8-RECOGNIZING NCSL ON 50TH ANNIVERSARY                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:51:57 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNBAR announced  the  consideration  of SENATE  CONCURRENT                                                              
RESOLUTION  NO.   8  Recognizing   and  commending   the  National                                                              
Conference  of  State  Legislatures  on its  50th  anniversary  in                                                              
2025.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
He said  this is  the introductory  hearing of  SCR 8.  He invited                                                              
Mr.  Lamkin  to  put  himself on  the  record  and  introduce  the                                                              
resolution.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:52:39 PM                                                                                                                    
TIM   LAMKIN,   Staff,   Senator  Gary   Stevens,   Alaska   State                                                              
Legislature,  Juneau, Alaska, introduced  SCR 8  on behalf  of the                                                              
sponsor, stating  NCSL is the acronym for the  National Conference                                                              
of  State  Legislatures.  He  presented   the  highlights  of  the                                                              
following sponsor statement:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Original punctuation provided.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                 SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION 8                                                                                 
                Honoring NCSL's 50th Anniversary                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                       SPONSOR STATEMENT                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     In 1974,  three organizations represented  the interests                                                                   
     of  legislators  and  staff,  but  their  influence  was                                                                   
     diluted.  So  seven inventive  legislative  leaders  and                                                                   
     two  staffers  got  together  and  envisioned  a  single                                                                   
     national   organization    to   support,    defend   and                                                                   
     strengthen state  legislatures. The three  organizations                                                                   
     dissolved,   and  on   Jan.   1,  1975,   the   National                                                                   
     Conference of State Legislatures (NCSL) was born.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     NCSL represents  America's legislatures, in  each state,                                                                   
     territory  and commonwealth  of the  United States.  Its                                                                   
     mission  is to advance  the effectiveness,  independence                                                                   
     and integrity  of legislatures and to  foster interstate                                                                   
     cooperation and  facilitate the exchange  of information                                                                   
     among legislatures.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     NCSL also  represents legislatures  in dealing  with the                                                                   
     federal  government,  especially  in  support  of  state                                                                   
     sovereignty  and state flexibility  and protection  from                                                                   
     unfunded  federal   mandates  and  unwarranted   federal                                                                   
     preemption.   The   conference    promotes   cooperation                                                                   
     between  state legislatures  in  the U.S.  and those  in                                                                   
     other countries.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     NCSL  is  committed  to  improving  the  operations  and                                                                   
     management    of    state    legislatures,    and    the                                                                   
     effectiveness  of  legislators  and  legislative  staff,                                                                   
     encouraging  the practice of  high standards of  conduct                                                                   
     by legislators and legislative staff.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Every state  legislator and staffer  is a member  of the                                                                   
     organization  and has complete  access to the  latest in                                                                   
     bipartisan  policy  research,   training  resources  and                                                                   
     technical  assistance  tailored  specifically  to  their                                                                   
     needs. NCSL  offers members  a variety of  opportunities                                                                   
     to  connect and  collaborate, notably  at its  signature                                                                   
     event,  the  NCSL  Legislative  Summit,  occurring  this                                                                   
     year August 5-7, 2024 in Louisville, KY.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     May the  Alaska Legislature  please join in  recognizing                                                                   
     the NCSL for its 50 years of outstanding service.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  took up  invited testimony  on SCR  8 and  asked Ms.                                                              
Enlund to put herself on the record and begin her testimony.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:54:29 PM                                                                                                                    
SYDNE  ENLUND,  State Outreach  Manager,  National  Conference  of                                                              
State  Legislatures   (NCSL),  Denver,   Colorado,  gave   invited                                                              
testimony  on   SCR  8.  She   introduced  herself   and  provided                                                              
background   on  NCSL.   She   explained   that  NCSL   represents                                                              
legislatures  in the  states,  territories,  and commonwealths  of                                                              
the United  States. Its mission  is to advance the  effectiveness,                                                              
independence,  and integrity  of  legislatures, foster  interstate                                                              
cooperation,   and    facilitate   information    exchange   among                                                              
legislatures.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ENLUND   said  NCSL   is  excited   to  celebrate   its  50th                                                              
Anniversary.  The  celebratory  kickoff  will occur  at  the  2024                                                              
Legislative Summit  in Louisville,  Kentucky, and conclude  at the                                                              
2025 Legislative  Summit in Boston,  Massachusetts. She  said that                                                              
as  NCSL  celebrates   50  years  of  service,   it  recommits  to                                                              
supporting  state  legislatures  in  strengthening  representative                                                              
democracy, modeling civility, and embracing innovation.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:55:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MS.  ENLUND  said  that every  state  legislator  and  legislative                                                              
staffer  is a member  of NCSL.  She emphasized  the importance  of                                                              
state  legislatures as  models  of civility  and  problem-solving.                                                              
State legislatures  are America's  laboratories of democracy.  She                                                              
praised  legislative  staff  for their  nonpartisan  guidance  and                                                              
institutional   knowledge.  They   are  vital   to  ensuring   the                                                              
resilience of democratic ideals.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ENLUND  said there  are  several  ways  to promote  the  50th                                                              
Anniversary. She  encouraged legislators  to use NCSL as  a policy                                                              
research  resource,  share  successes in  finding  common  ground,                                                              
connect  with other  legislators,  and highlight  the benefits  of                                                              
NCSL  involvement.  She  mentioned  NCSL's  podcast,  "Across  the                                                              
Aisle,"  which   tells  stories  of  bipartisan   cooperation  and                                                              
invited legislators to share their experiences.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:58:18 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  opened public testimony  on SCR 8; finding  none, he                                                              
closed public testimony.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNBAR held SCR 8 in committee.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:58:43 PM                                                                                                                    
At ease.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
        SB 179-PROPERTY TRANSFER TAX; MUNI TELECOMM TAX                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:02:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR   DUNBAR   reconvened   the  meeting   and   announced   the                                                              
consideration  of   SENATE  BILL  NO.  179  "An   Act  prohibiting                                                              
municipalities  from  levying  a  tax  on  the  transfer  of  real                                                              
property;  prohibiting  the  state  from  levying  a  tax  on  the                                                              
transfer of real  property; and relating to municipal  taxation of                                                              
mobile telecommunications services."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
This second  meeting on  SB 179 is  to hear a  recap of  the bill,                                                              
review  a  Legal Services  memo,  and  take  up an  amendment.  He                                                              
invited Mr. Jackson  to put himself on the record  and explain the                                                              
memo.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:58 PM                                                                                                                    
KONRAD  JACKSON,  Staff,  Senator  Jesse  Bjorkman,  Alaska  State                                                              
Legislature,  Juneau,  Alaska,  explained  a Legal  Services  memo                                                              
dated February 19,  2024, written by Mr. Dunmire.  It explains the                                                              
session law  repealer found  in SB 179.  He drew attention  to the                                                              
top of page 2, the crux of the memo, which reads:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 If that condition  is metif  the federal law is  struck down by a                                                              
courtthen AS 29.45.750 will be automatically repealed.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON  said that since  this section  is referred to  in the                                                              
bill, it points  to a section of the statute that  would no longer                                                              
exist.  He  said  the  repealer  in  Section  8  is  a  clarifying                                                              
amendment inserted by Legal Services.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:05 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR agreed  that the repealer in Section 8  does not seem                                                              
to make a substantive change.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:04:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN moved to adopt conceptual Amendment 1:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                     CONCEPTUAL AMENDMENT 1                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
    OFFERED IN THE SENATE               BY SENATOR BJORKMAN                                                                     
          TO: SB 179                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, following line 19:                                                                                                 
          Insert "For the purposes of this chapter,                                                                             
     transfer has the meaning found in AS 34.70.200(4)."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   BJORKMAN  further   moved  that   the  committee   grant                                                              
Legislative Legal  authorization to make technical  and conforming                                                              
changes as needed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNBAR objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:04:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN  explained that  the definition of  "transfer" is                                                              
found  in   statutes,  and  conceptual   Amendment  1   adds  that                                                              
statutory cite to  the bill. The definition would  provide clarity                                                              
to local sub-political units, such as municipalities.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:05:26 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR confirmed  that committee members had  the definition                                                              
before  them, then  withdrew  his  objection. Finding  no  further                                                              
objection, conceptual Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNBAR invited Senator Bjorkman to make closing remarks.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:06:14 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR BJORKMAN  expressed appreciation to the chair  for hearing                                                              
SB 179. He said  he was happy to clarify the  session law repealer                                                              
and bring  forward legislation that  proposes to  relieve property                                                              
owners from the potential burden of onerous transfer taxes.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:06:46 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR solicited the will of the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:50 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GIESSEL  moved to report  SB 179, work order  33-LS1093\A,                                                              
as amended,  from  committee with  individual recommendations  and                                                              
attached fiscal note(s).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:07:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNBAR  found no  objection and  CSSB 179(CRA) was  reported                                                              
from   the  Senate   Community  and   Regional  Affairs   Standing                                                              
Committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:07:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
There  being no  further business  to come  before the  committee,                                                              
Chair Dunbar adjourned  the Senate Community and  Regional Affairs                                                              
Standing Committee meeting at 2:07 p.m.                                                                                         
| Document Name | Date/Time | Subjects | 
|---|---|---|
| Haines group helps neighbors find resources for disaster recovery.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM SFIN 3/12/2024 9:00:00 AM  | 
                
                    
SB 236 | 
            
| Juneau condo owners take on $1M in flood repairs without state or federal aid - Alaska Public Media.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM SFIN 3/12/2024 9:00:00 AM  | 
                
                    
SB 236 | 
            
| Prince of Wales added to state disaster declaration for Wrangell landslide - Alaska Public Media.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM SFIN 3/12/2024 9:00:00 AM  | 
                
                    
SB 236 | 
            
| SB 236 Sectional Analysis.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM SFIN 3/12/2024 9:00:00 AM  | 
                
                    
SB 236 | 
            
| SB 236 Sponsor Statement.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM SFIN 3/12/2024 9:00:00 AM  | 
                
                    
SB 236 | 
            
| SB 236 Disaster Assistance.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SB 236 | 
            
| SCR 8 Sponsor Statement 2.14.24.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SCR  8 | 
            
| SB179 Fiscal Note-DOR-TAX 02.20.24.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SB 179 | 
            
| SCR 8 Text version A.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SCR  8 | 
            
| SB 179 Session Law Repealer Memo.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SB 179 | 
            
| SB 236 Fiscal Note.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SB 236 | 
            
| SB179 Fiscal Note-DOR-TAX 02.20.24.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SB 179 | 
            
| SCR8 Fiscal Note LEG-SESS 2.21.24.pdf | 
                    
SCRA       2/22/2024 1:30:00 PM | 
                
                    
SCR  8 |