Legislature(1993 - 1994)

01/25/1994 09:03 AM CRA

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              SENATE COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS                              
                        January 25, 1994                                       
                           9:03 a.m.                                           
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
 Senator Randy Phillips, Chairman                                              
 Senator Robin Taylor, Vice Chairman                                           
 Senator Loren Leman                                                           
 Senator Al Adams                                                              
 Senator Fred Zharoff                                                          
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
 All Members Present                                                           
  OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT                                                        
 Senator Tim Kelly                                                             
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
 SENATE BILL NO. 136                                                           
 "An Act relating to a curriculum for Native language education; and           
 providing for an effective date."                                             
 SENATE BILL NO. 203                                                           
 "An Act requiring unified municipalities to provide police                    
 protection and law enforcement services; and providing for an                 
 effective date."                                                              
 SENATE BILL NO. 255                                                           
 "An Act establishing a comprehensive policy relating to human                 
 resource development in the state."                                           
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
 SB 136 - See Community & Regional Affairs minutes dated                       
          1/11/94, 1/20/94.                                                    
 SB 203 - See Community & Regional Affairs minutes dated                       
          11/3/93, 1/13/94, 1/20/94.                                           
 SB 255 - No previous action to record.                                        
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
 Scott Brandt-Erickson                                                         
 P.O. Box 196650                                                               
 Anchorage, Alaska 99519                                                       
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Senator Kelly's language to SB 203.     .    
 Duane Udland, Deputy Chief                                                    
 Anchorage Police Department                                                   
 4501  S. Bragaw                                                               
 Anchorage, Ak. 99507                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Senator Kelly's language to SB 203.     .    
 Barbara Weinig                                                                
 P.O. Box 113849                                                               
 Anchorage, Ak. 99507                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Senator Rieger's language to SB 203.    3.   
 Paul Lance                                                                    
 18530 Kittiwake                                                               
 Anchorage, Ak. 99516                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Commented on SB 203.                                   
 Richard Weinig                                                                
 800 E. Dimond, Suite 3620                                                     
 Anchorage, Ak. 99515                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Senator Rieger's language to SB 203.    3.   
 Connie Livsey                                                                 
 8690 Paine Rd.                                                                
 Anchorage, Ak. 99516                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Senator Rieger's language to SB 203.    3.   
 Bill Lamoreaux                                                                
 Southeast Anchorage Homeowner and Landowners Association (HALO)               
 Anchorage, AK                                                                 
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported Senator Rieger's language to SB 203.    3.   
 Debra Call, Chairman                                                          
 Alaska Job Training Council                                                   
 Anchorage, Ak.                                                                
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 255.                                      
 Bruce Geraghty, Deputy Commissioner                                           
 P.O. Box 112100                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska 99811-2100                                                     
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Supported SB 255.                                      
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
 TAPE 94-6, SIDE A                                                             
 The Senate Community & Regional Affairs Committee was called to               
 order by Chairman Randy Phillips at 9:03 a.m.  He brought  CSSB 136           
 (CRA) (NATIVE LANGUAGE EDUCATION) before the committee and asked              
 for the pleasure of the committee.                                            
 Number 009                                                                    
 SENATOR ADAMS moved and asked unanimous consent that CSSB 136(CRA)            
 with the attached fiscal note be moved out of committee with                  
 individual recommendations.  There being no objection, it was so              
 Number 012                                                                    
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS introduced  SB 203  (MUNICIPAL POLICE                  
 SERVICES) as the next order of business.                                      
 SCOTT BRANDT-ERICKSON, Anchorage, said there were some problems               
 with administering the police force in Anchorage with this bill.              
 If you were able to do the services as cheaply as it is done now,             
 the additional service would cost a half million dollars.  It is              
 not clear whether they could provide the investigative and control            
 services necessary to cover a wide range of crimes.  He said there            
 are 1.24 officers per 1,000 people now in the (indistinct) service            
 Number 133                                                                    
 DUANE UDLAND, Deputy Chief of the Anchorage Police Department, said           
 he has testified before on this issue and will answer questions.              
 SENATOR KELLY asked if they have a position on the proposed Rieger            
 language and the proposed new language based on the final report on           
 the Task Force on Government roles from the last legislature.                 
 MR. UDLAND said they support the Rieger proposal.                             
 SENATOR KELLY asked what the position would be of the Anchorage               
 Municipal Police Department Union on an effort to contract with               
 State Troopers to patrol the Hillside.                                        
 MR. UDLAND replied that he was told the Union would file legal                
 SENATOR RIEGER asked if the mayor's position was that the Municipal           
 Charter should be overridden.  MR. UDLAND said his Community                  
 Council thinks that Senator Kelly's proposal is very consistent               
 with the recommendations of the Task Force.                                   
 Number 229                                                                    
 BARBARA WEINIG, State Community Council, said she supported Senator           
 Rieger's bill.                                                                
 SENATOR KELLY asked for a copy of the survey that states what the             
 Hillside residents are willing to pay for.   The Committee reviewed           
 the survey.  SENATOR KELLY said while it seemed like most of the              
 people were willing to pay something to get the issue off their               
 back, they weren't willing to pay enough to cover what the State              
 Troopers and Anchorage Police say they need.                                  
 SENATOR RIEGER said he drew the exact opposite conclusion, that the           
 willingness to pay is adequate.                                               
 SENATOR KELLY said it looked like the upper levels of the Hillside            
 were only prepared for burglary patrol.  Everyone else in Anchorage           
 is willing to pay for the infrastructure that protects other areas            
 of town.  He didn't think it was fair for the rest of the borough             
 to be paying for the infrastructure - the drug units, laboratories,           
 etc. and have the Hillside get off with just burglary patrol.                 
 MS. WEINIG said she agreed with Senator Kelly.  She said that many            
 of them have businesses and pay taxes.  They also pay taxes when              
 they shop in town.                                                            
 SENATOR KELLY pointed out that everyone pays those taxes.  Everyone           
 who has a business and doesn't live on the Hillside is paying twice           
 for what the Hillside pays only once.                                         
 Number 298                                                                    
 PAUL LANCE, Hillside resident, supported the State Troopers for               
 protection of his neighborhood.  They are better equipped and                 
 positioned than the Anchorage Police Department.  He said there               
 have not been open meetings on this issue in the Hillside area                
 which should be done.  He thought facts and figures were also                 
 lacking in the hearing process  - like how many crimes are                    
 committed in that area.                                                       
 MR. LANCE said they pay probably more than their share, because               
 they represent a large assessed valuation in the Municipality of              
 The valuation is $325 per $100,000 for a home and people want to              
 know what they are paying $1,000 for.  He doesn't think this issue            
 has been well presented to the public.                                        
 Number 348                                                                    
 SENATOR ZHAROFF asked how many households on the Hillside are                 
 affected by this.                                                             
 SENATOR PHILLIPS said the survey was mailed to 10,546 households in           
 Southeast Anchorage.                                                          
 SENATOR KELLY said the assessed evaluation of the areas outside the           
 police service areas as of January 1, 1994 is about $1.3 billion.             
 The rest of the Municipality is about $9.5 billion.                           
 He said the areawide mill rate that everyone else pays except the             
 Hillside is 3.34 mills which is $334 per $100,000 assessed                    
 valuation.  What is being asked here is that Hillside pays the same           
 valuation that everyone else pays.  When you decide to buy a more             
 expensive home, the assessment is one of the things you take into             
 consideration before purchase, he reasoned.  If the millage rate              
 goes down, it should go down for everyone in the Municipality, not            
 just the Hillside.  He said there are a lot of areas on the east              
 side of Anchorage that don't often have major problems metropolitan           
 police have to address, like drug problems, etc., but his people              
 have to pay the same 3.3 mills, too.  The Hillside is not the only            
 area that doesn't have all of the problems that need to be                    
 addressed by government and people acting in concert to protect               
 themselves from various kinds of criminal activity.                           
 Number 400                                                                    
 RICHARD WEINIG, member of the Hillside Task Force, felt that what             
 the people want still isn't clear.  He disagreed with the premise             
 that everyone on the Hillside is not paying for the infrastructure,           
 because he rents an office and into the cost of this office is                
 factored the property taxes the owner of the building pays.  That's           
 where everyone pays for infrastructure.  He noted that the rest of            
 Anchorage voted to become part of the Anchorage service area.  This           
 was a voluntary choice on their part.                                         
 He supported Senator Rieger's bill as being the proper vehicle for            
 meeting people needs as opposed to municipal greed.  The survey               
 indicates that 83% of the residents rejected the Anchorage Police             
 Number 477                                                                    
 CONNIE LIVSEY, Bear Valley Community Council representative to the            
 Police Protection Task Force, supported Senator Rieger's bill,                
 because it is consistent with the views expressed in the Community            
 Council meetings on this issue.  She said the Troopers have greater           
 professionalism and greater familiarity with their community and              
 its rural residential flavor.  She said her area desires to have              
 control over their level of service.  They do want to be able to              
 call a trooper when they need one and want a reasonable response              
 MS. LIVSEY explained that while the Council had not actually seen             
 Senator Rieger's bill, they had discussed the issues many times and           
 it is consistent with their wishes.                                           
 Number 504                                                                    
 PAT ABNEY, an Anchorage Assembly Member from South Anchorage,                 
 supported Senator Rieger's bill, because it addresses concerns we             
 have throughout the state and the municipality.  She thought the              
 issue is local control in reference to the City Charter which                 
 grants that right. She said Hillside residents have consistently              
 expressed a preference to have, and pay for, state police.  The               
 rest of the bill allows other municipalities to tax themselves for            
 troopers if that's what they want.                                            
 Number 528                                                                    
 BILL LAMOREAUX, Southeast Anchorage Homeowner and Landowners                  
 Association (HALO), supported the findings in the Police Protection           
 Survey.  Senator Rieger's bill is consistent with these findings.             
 SENATOR KELLY stated there were 4 approaches on the table and it's            
 clear that Senator Rieger's proposal is not acceptable to the                 
 municipality, the Anchorage Police Department Union, or to the                
 Department of Public Safety.  Had he known it existed, he would               
 have begun with the recommendations in the Task Force on Government           
 Roles Report which are essentially to allow the local assembly to             
 work this out regardless of local charter.                                    
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS stated the Committee would get position                
 papers and fiscal notes on all the approaches.  He said they would            
 get the statistic on criminal activities on Hillside.  They would             
 then take up SB 203 again on Thursday.                                        
 Number 575                                                                    
 RESOURCE DEVELOPMT) as the next order of business.                            
 TAPE 94-6, SIDE B                                                             
 Number 001                                                                    
 DEBRA CALL, Chairman of the Alaska Job Training Council, stated               
 their support for SB 255.  She pointed out that there is a                    
 nationwide movement to establish comprehensive policies of human              
 resources elements, and the Council believes this particular policy           
 needs to start with the State of Alaska as it begins to address               
 the budget concerns within the state.                                         
 Number 012                                                                    
 SENATOR RANDY PHILLIPS directed attention to some suggested changes           
 to language in the bill that have been submitted by the Alaska Job            
 Training Council.                                                             
 Number 015                                                                    
 SENATOR ADAMS commented that the Governor promised a thousand jobs            
 in rural Alaska and that he has not kept up with that particular              
 promise.  He expressed his hope that through this bill the                    
 Legislature will try to find ways in making people in rural Alaska            
 a productive work force.  He then asked why the Department of Fish            
 and Game is not included in the list of departments that will plan            
 and implement programs to better achieve the state's primary goal.            
 MS. CALL replied that they weren't aware that Fish and Game had any           
 training or employment programs.                                              
 Number 030                                                                    
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked what the bill does other than renders a report           
 every two years to the Legislature.  MS. CALL answered that they              
 are trying to develop a human resource policy for the state, and              
 one of things SB 255 does is to see where certain programs can be             
 combined, or to know exactly which programs may be duplicative of             
 another program, and to develop a comprehensive policy for the                
 state.  She said she would like to see the state programs working             
 together more to supply qualified skilled workers for major                   
 employers in the State of Alaska.                                             
 Number 075                                                                    
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked if anyone can show him how by passing this               
 legislation the educational community, especially those involved in           
 vocational education, will somehow be better prepared by this bill.           
 MS. CALL answered that there are many programs within the state,              
 but part of the problem is that there are different goals for                 
 different educational programs, especially between urban and rural            
 areas. In rural areas the programs need a simple focus which is to            
 get people ready and skilled for economic opportunities that could            
 happen in their village like mining, petroleum, retail business,              
 Number 125                                                                    
 SENATOR LEMAN said the language in subsection(e) on page 2, lines             
 17 - 18 could be strengthened to do more than "provide the avenue",           
 by "requiring" the transition from welfare to employment.                     
 MS. CALL supported his statement.                                             
 Number 160                                                                    
 BRUCE GERAGHTY, Department of Community and Regional Affairs, said            
 he supports this bill.                                                        
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked how much money was being spent on these                  
 programs.  MR. GERAGHTY said they do a good job of coordinating.              
 Job Training Council does a two-year plan which affects a number of           
 departments.  Specifics on the federal legislation side of things             
 make it so complex to have one entity, at this point, directing               
 federal dollars into the state programs.  Meeting all of their                
 requirements becomes rather cumbersome and almost frightening.                
 MR. GERAGHTY informed the Committee that they tried to draft                  
 legislation last year that would consolidate everything.  There are           
 about 8 pieces of federal legislation, one of which is 400 - 500              
 pages long.                                                                   
 He said this bill establishes a policy that will basically be the             
 umbrella so they can eliminate some of the problems of                        
 interpretation between the various coordination departments.  It's            
 premature at this point to bring them all together under one roof.            
 Number 180                                                                    
 SENATOR PHILLIPS reiterated the question of why was ADF&G omitted             
 from the list of state agencies.  MR. GERAGHTY answered that                  
 perhaps the reason was that the departments listed have on-going              
 training in transition programs that prepare people for the work              
 force. ADF&G might have training programs for their employees which           
 is different.                                                                 
 SENATOR PHILLIPS thanked everyone for their participation and                 
 adjourned the meeting at 10:07 a.m.                                           

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