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02/27/2020 08:00 AM House TRIBAL AFFAIRS

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08:04:56 AM Presentation: Equity in Rural Alaska
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON TRIBAL AFFAIRS                                                                          
                       February 27, 2020                                                                                        
                           8:04 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Tiffany Zulkosky, Chair                                                                                          
Representative John Lincoln                                                                                                     
Representative Dan Ortiz                                                                                                        
Representative Dave Talerico                                                                                                    
Representative Sarah Vance                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon, Vice Chair                                                                                         
Representative Chuck Kopp                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION: EQUITY IN RURAL ALASKA                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD TRICKEY, Attorney                                                                                                        
Holland & Knight                                                                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information and answered questions                                                              
during a presentation on Equity in Rural Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA BLAKE, Director                                                                                                         
Alaska Native Policy Center                                                                                                     
First Alaskans Institute                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided information and answered questions                                                              
during a presentation on Equity in Rural Alaska.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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8:04:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR TIFFANY ZULKOSKY called the House Special Committee on                                                                  
Tribal Affairs meeting to order at 8:04 a.m.  Representatives                                                                   
Vance,  Lincoln, Ortiz,  Talerico, and  Zulkosky were  present at                                                               
the call to order.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:  EQUITY IN RURAL ALASKA                                                                                          
             PRESENTATION:  EQUITY IN RURAL ALASKA                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:04:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be a presentation on Equity in Rural Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:05:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOWARD TRICKEY, Attorney,  Holland & Knight, relayed  that he has                                                               
done a  lot of  work in  the education field  during his  over 40                                                               
years practicing law  in Alaska.  He said  he successfully argued                                                               
the Kasayulie  v. State case,  which was  filed May 1998,  and he                                                               
described to  the committee the  historic funding  issues related                                                               
to urban/rural  school construction.   Mr. Trickey said  he would                                                               
provide committee  members the history  and context of  the case:                                                               
why it  was brought, what  the court ruled  in the case,  how the                                                               
state  responded to  the  court's ruling,  and  what the  current                                                               
state of compliance with the Kasayulie settlement is today.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:06:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY listed  the plaintiffs in the case:   Willie & Sophie                                                               
Kasayulie;  Paul  & Maryann  Mike;  Arthur  & Ruth  Heckman;  the                                                               
Bering  Strait   School  District;   the  Iditarod   Area  School                                                               
District; the  Kashanamiut School  District; the  Lower Kuskokwim                                                               
School  District; the  Lower Yukon  School  District; the  Yupiit                                                               
School District; and Citizens for  the Educational Advancement of                                                               
Alaska's  Children (CEAAC).   Mr.  Trickey  noted the  plaintiffs                                                               
were listed up  front to show how much support  there was for the                                                               
case.   He also noted that  the breadth and depth  of support was                                                               
in response to  the deplorable condition of schools  prior to the                                                               
case.   In general, schools  were found in a  deteriorated state,                                                               
with  present   physical  and  other  dangers,   having  suffered                                                               
structural  deficiencies, and  frequently in  non-compliance with                                                               
various electrical  codes, fire  codes, health and  safety codes,                                                               
or environmental guidelines, he stated.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRICKEY informed  the committee  that several  professionals                                                               
who had been prepared to testify  indicated that if the state had                                                               
enforced building codes  uniformly around the state,  many of the                                                               
schools would  have been  closed and deemed  unsafe and  unfit to                                                               
conduct  school and  learning activities,  depriving students  of                                                               
meaningful learning opportunities.   Many schools were also found                                                               
to be  overcrowded, he continued,  some in  excess of 180  or 200                                                               
percent    capacity,    and   consequently    lacking    adequate                                                               
instructional   space  to   meet  curriculum   and  accreditation                                                               
guidelines.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:10:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY spoke about what the  state had been doing in 1998 to                                                               
fund schools.   There  was a dual  funding system,  he explained:                                                               
one  system  was  automatically funded  through  a  reimbursement                                                               
program,  and the  other system  was funded  through a  Community                                                               
Initiatives Program  (CIP) grant.   The former  received constant                                                               
funding by the  Alaska State Legislature while  the latter, which                                                               
supported  Regional  Educational  Attendance Area  (REAA)  school                                                               
districts, received none.   In 1990 the state adopted  a new law,                                                               
he related,  to prioritize construction and  maintenance needs in                                                               
schools throughout the  state.  Prior to 1990,  he added, schools                                                               
had been  funded based  "pretty much  solely" on  political power                                                               
and  political whim.    When it  was realized  that  this way  of                                                               
funding  was  neither  equitable  nor  meeting  the  construction                                                               
needs, the new  law ensured that capital projects  were funded on                                                               
a  basis of  need rather  than  on a  political basis.   The  new                                                               
legislation, he  continued, required the Department  of Education                                                               
&  Early   Development  (DEED)  to   review  and   evaluate,  and                                                               
recommend, projects  for approval.   The  projects would  also be                                                               
granted based on priority.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY  said that  even though the  new system  was adopted,                                                               
and  the debt  reimbursement program  continued, the  legislature                                                               
failed for at  least six fiscal years to fund  the CIP program at                                                               
all.   The  money from  the  debt reimbursement  program goes  to                                                               
districts which  have bonding capacity  and taxing  authority, he                                                               
explained,  but the  REAA  school districts  do  not have  taxing                                                               
authority, and Article 10 Section  2 of the U.S. Constitution may                                                               
prohibit the  legislature from granting taxing  authority to REAA                                                               
schools.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:14:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRICKEY offered  a scenario  in  fiscal year  1995 (FY  95),                                                               
between  the 1990  legislation and  the time  it was  decided the                                                               
dual system  of funding  was unconstitutional in  1999.   Most of                                                               
the major maintenance projects on  the priority list were to take                                                               
place at REAA  schools.  The aggregate amount  for these projects                                                               
was $103  million.  Of the  $103 million, the state  funded zero,                                                               
Mr.  Trickey imparted.    In FY  95, the  state  paid almost  $94                                                               
million in  debt reimbursement for school  construction and major                                                               
maintenance,  which was  100 percent  of  the debt  reimbursement                                                               
entitlement  for city  and  borough school  districts  in FY  95.                                                               
This continued  to be the  pattern for FY 96,  FY 97, FY  98, and                                                               
what was  proposed for  FY 99  until the  state decided  the dual                                                               
system of funding was unconstitutional.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:19:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked Mr. Trickey  to explain the difference                                                               
between Kasayulie v. State and  Molly Hootch [Hymes] case [a 1972                                                               
lawsuit in which Hymes, plaintiff,  sued Alaska for not providing                                                               
high schools in Alaska Native villages].                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:20:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY  replied that  the Molly Hootch  case dealt  with the                                                               
issue of whether or not the  state by general law shall establish                                                               
and maintain a system of public  schools "open to all children of                                                               
the  state."   In the  Molly Hootch  case, the  plaintiffs argued                                                               
that  the state  was not  meeting its  constitutional obligations                                                               
because the state didn't provide  any schools in many rural parts                                                               
of the  state.  When the  case went to the  Alaska Supreme Court,                                                               
the Bureau  of Indian Affairs  (BIA), within the  U.S. Department                                                               
of the  Interior (DoI),  still operated  some schools  which were                                                               
transitioning  to state-operated  systems,  but many  communities                                                               
had  no secondary  education school  option available  for Native                                                               
Alaskan children, so those children  were either sent to regional                                                               
boarding schools  or to the  Lower 48 to  attend school in  a BIA                                                               
facility.   Mr. Trickey stated  that the Molly Hootch  case dealt                                                               
with whether  the state had  an obligation to provide  schools in                                                               
rural communities.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY  related that the  Molly Hootch case was  resolved by                                                               
an admittance of denial of  equal protection.  The state resolved                                                               
and  settled that  case  and  embarked upon  a  great program  of                                                               
building  a public  school  system in  rural  Alaska and  started                                                               
building and  constructing schools.   That  was 1976,  he pointed                                                               
out.   He  then  asked the  committee to  fast  forward to  1998.                                                               
Kasayulie  vs.  State  had  to do  with  the  state's  continuing                                                               
obligation to  adequately fund  schools so  schools may  be built                                                               
and  maintained  to  standards  that allowed  for  access  to  an                                                               
educational program.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRICKEY said  the court  ruling in  Kasayulie vs.  State was                                                               
made  by  summary judgement,  a  technical  point that  is  valid                                                               
because summary judgements  are made in cases where  there are no                                                               
disputed errors  of fact or  need for trial.   The key  ruling in                                                               
the case under  the education clause by Judge  Reese, Mr. Trickey                                                               
continued,  was to  place an  affirmative  duty on  the state  to                                                               
provide  public  education,  of  which  facility  funding  is  an                                                               
integral part.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:24:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRICKEY  imparted  that  along  with  the  duty  to  provide                                                               
educational  facilities came  the duty  to fund  said facilities,                                                               
and  all schools  must have  equal access  to funds.   The  court                                                               
acknowledged, according  to Mr. Trickey, the  CIP grant program's                                                               
never  being funded  and, as  a result,  rural schools  not being                                                               
funded, that  the bond reimbursement  program was  available only                                                               
for boroughs and municipalities, and  that REAAs had no access to                                                               
those funds.   Failing  to provide  funds violated  the education                                                               
clause of  the Alaska constitution,  he related.  The  court also                                                               
made  rulings as  to the  equal  protection clause  of the  state                                                               
constitution,  he   said,  recognizing   in  its   analysis  that                                                               
education is  a fundamental  right and that  the state  could not                                                               
justify the funding inequality between  urban and rural districts                                                               
based on the dual system of funding.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY  said the state  had argued that the  district needed                                                               
to    form    boroughs   and    that    that    had   been    its                                                               
rationale/"incentive"  for withholding  funding.   The state  had                                                               
also  argued that  it could  not  be responsible  for fixing  all                                                               
problems at the same time,  and that rural school districts would                                                               
have to wait  their turn.  The problem, Mr.  Trickey pointed out,                                                               
was that  rural schools' turn never  came.  After the  rulings in                                                               
favor of rural  schools in 1999, the state for  a couple of years                                                               
did increase  funding to rural schools.   As a result,  the state                                                               
went back to  court and asked the court to  determine that it was                                                               
in  compliance with  its  constitutional  obligation, because  in                                                               
2000 and  2001 appropriations for  rural schools  were increased.                                                               
In doing  so, however, the law  had not been changed.   The state                                                               
felt  that  it was  doing  enough,  and  the court  rejected  the                                                               
argument, saying that  the fact that the state  had not addressed                                                               
the problems with  the flawed dual funding system  were severe in                                                               
that they were racially discriminatory in the least.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:28:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRICKEY  related  that  the  court said  in  2001  that  the                                                               
education, health  and safety of  Alaska's youth, the  dignity of                                                               
fellow  citizens,  and  the  respect  for  public  officials  had                                                               
suffered,  further aggravating  the racial  divisions within  the                                                               
state.  The court said that  the legislature needed to respond by                                                               
taking  real action  that provided  access to  funding for  rural                                                               
schools.    This  was  March   of  2001,  Mr.  Trickey  told  the                                                               
committee.   Over  the  nine years  until  2010, the  legislature                                                               
sporadically funded schools  but there was no change  in the law,                                                               
which was still  subject to political whim,  although the court's                                                               
decision did  put some  pressure on  the legislature  to increase                                                               
the amount  of funding.   Eventually  what occurred,  Mr. Trickey                                                               
continued, is  that Kasayulie v.  State was resolved as  a result                                                               
of efforts in  the legislature to come up with  a remedial scheme                                                               
for  providing  substantial access  to  funding  for REAA  school                                                               
districts for major maintenance  and construction.  The mechanism                                                               
for doing so was Senate  Bill 237 [passed during the Twenty-Sixth                                                               
Alaska  State  Legislature],  which   provided  the  formula  for                                                               
determining,  on an  annual  basis, the  amount  of funding  that                                                               
would  be available  each year.   The  statutory formula  and the                                                               
creation of the REAA construction  and major maintenance fund was                                                               
the basis for what become known as "the Kasayulie settlement."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:31:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRICKEY addressed  where Kasayulie  v. State  left folks  in                                                               
2020 and what  Governor Mike Dunleavy's veto  and former Governor                                                               
Bill Walker's  reduction of REAA construction  funds had wrought.                                                               
Mr. Trickey  put forth that  the state was "perilously  close" to                                                               
violating  the constitutional  obligations that  were established                                                               
in the  Kasayulie case.   It  might look  like urban  schools and                                                               
rural schools  were being  treated equally  when they  were being                                                               
equally harmed by 50 percent  reduction of debt reimbursement and                                                               
REAA construction funds, respectively.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY said that as  a result of Governor Dunleavy's vetoes,                                                               
which took  place in  the first session  of the  Thirtieth Alaska                                                               
State Legislature and have not  been overridden, the situation is                                                               
being revisited.   Governor  Dunleavy had  been written  a letter                                                               
outlining concerns about the  state's pattern of funding/ignoring                                                               
rural  school construction  needs and  had [at  the time  of this                                                               
meeting] not responded.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:35:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:35 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:35:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ORTIZ asked  whether  Mr.  Trickey had  mentioned                                                               
rural districts'  incentives or directives for  REAA districts to                                                               
form  boroughs  as  part  of the  solution  to  getting  adequate                                                               
funding for school construction purposes.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY answered that in  the Kasayulie case there were three                                                               
legal claims:   the violation of the  education clause, violation                                                               
of Title  VI, and  equal protection.   Regarding the  last claim,                                                               
equal  protection, after  it had  been determined  that education                                                               
was  a fundamental  right, the  state had  to offer  a compelling                                                               
reason why  it had two  systems of  funding schools.   To justify                                                               
its compelling  reason for  doing so, the  state argued  that the                                                               
system  was designed  so that  rural areas  could form  boroughs,                                                               
that  over time  these areas  would realize  they needed  to form                                                               
boroughs and generate revenue through taxes.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ORTIZ  asked for  confirmation that the  court had                                                               
rejected the state's argument.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY confirmed that is correct.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:38:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  ZULKOSKY  confirmed  that  the  letter  sent  to  Governor                                                               
Dunleavy was included in the documents Mr. Trickey provided.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:40:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  BLAKE,  Director,  Alaska Native  Policy  Center,  First                                                               
Alaskans Institute, related that  Native Alaskans' forced removal                                                               
shifted the trajectory to an  extent that is not reflected today.                                                               
The inequity is so built into  the system that folks often do not                                                               
realize it is happening until after the fact, she related.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:44:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLAKE  pointed out by  way of  example the robust  natures of                                                               
Native people and of pioneers, who  came to a land where they had                                                               
to learn how  to survive very quickly.  Native  Alaskans did what                                                               
the pioneers  did for  10,000 years before  the latter  came, but                                                               
that is  a subject that  is rarely taught, much  less celebrated,                                                               
in schools.   Ms. Blake related  that she was asked  to give four                                                               
lectures as  a guest lecturer  for a Walt Disney  Company cruise,                                                               
one of which was to be on  glaciers; the rest were at Ms. Blake's                                                               
discretion.    She sent  in  her  presentations to  the  cruise's                                                               
director, who said another lecture  should be about the gold rush                                                               
in Skagway.   Ms.  Blake said  that she was  happy to  oblige but                                                               
would  give her  presentation  on  the gold  rush  from a  Native                                                               
perspective.  She said the  director backpedaled, telling her she                                                               
was  allowed to  speak on  any topic  of her  choosing.   She did                                                               
speak  on the  gold rush  in  the end,  she related,  but gave  a                                                               
coinciding historical account.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:47:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLAKE related that there  were multiple stories that could be                                                               
told, and  that it was important  to be able to  reflect multiple                                                               
perspectives.   She  told the  committee that  she moved  back to                                                               
Alaska from Washington, D.C., bringing  her young son.  Ms. Blake                                                               
said  they traveled  to Fairbanks  where she  started a  teaching                                                               
position.  She described being  shocked that the kindergarten had                                                               
neither  representation  of  the  Native  Athabascan  people  who                                                               
resided in  Fairbanks nor any  Alaska Native  culture represented                                                               
in her son's  school.  In Juneau, Alaska,  however, she expressed                                                               
her happiness  at finding artwork that  reflected Northwest Coast                                                               
culture, Inupiat  culture, Athabascan culture, and  a portrait of                                                               
Elizabeth  Peratrovich.    Signs  welcoming  students  were  also                                                               
written in Tlingit in addition to English, she stated.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:49:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BLAKE  questioned which  cultures  children  today learn  in                                                               
schools,  and she  made a  point of  noting her  son's confidence                                                               
boost upon  seeing himself  reflected upon the  walls of  his own                                                               
school.  She  lamented the lack of reflection  of Native cultures                                                               
in most of Alaska when  compared with Hawaii, where visitors seem                                                               
almost automatically  immersed.   Visitors to Alaska  think about                                                               
the gold  rush and  "a land  untouched," she  stated.   Ms. Blake                                                               
referenced  the 2020  film  Call  of the  Wild,  which she  said,                                                             
sadly, is an example of the erasure of Alaska Native people.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:52:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLAKE  told the committee  that schools in  rural communities                                                               
that fall under 25 students will  have to close.  Another problem                                                               
is  overcapacity, she  pointed  out,  as is  the  case with  some                                                               
schools  in Anchorage.    She suggested  that  kids from  crowded                                                               
urban  schools  be transferred  to  rural  schools.   If  serious                                                               
consideration must be put into  whether one's child would be safe                                                               
in a  rural community,  said Ms. Blake,  the vast  inequity built                                                               
into  the public  safety system  should become  readily apparent.                                                               
Every legislator  is elected to  think and act and  provide votes                                                               
based on the  entirety of Alaska, but this is  often not the case                                                               
thanks  to an  implicit bias  or  inability to  see that  certain                                                               
votes actually do communities a disservice.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:54:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLAKE  stated that rural  communities' lack of a  Division of                                                               
Motor Vehicles is  harmful, because people cannot get  a REAL ID,                                                               
which [as  an alternate to  a passport]  is required in  order to                                                               
fly.  She questioned how  people would travel, especially without                                                               
the Alaska Marine Highway System  ferries.  She recommended folks                                                               
look   at  the   State  of   Alaska  Seal,   which  contains   no                                                               
representation of Alaska Native  people.  She related anecdotally                                                               
how even changing  the state dog to the Alaska  Malamute from the                                                               
Siberian Husky had been a  challenge because of the latter's role                                                               
in the pioneer history, whereas  the former represented history's                                                               
long view.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:58:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLAKE  related anecdotally that  systems which  were supposed                                                               
to be equitable  were not so, as members in  her immediate family                                                               
were effectively  prevented from participating in  those systems,                                                               
and chances to participate were  given instead to others from 300                                                               
miles away.  Such systems are  in place in the public safety, and                                                               
water and wastewater  sectors, to name two, despite  an excess of                                                               
funding so great U.S. Senator Lisa  Murkowski was hired to try to                                                               
figure out how to spend it all  and fast, Ms. Blake related.  The                                                               
percentage of  the money that  went to communities  without water                                                               
and wastewater, despite the fact that  one in four homes in rural                                                               
communities  were  without running  water,  was  20 percent,  she                                                               
said.  The  rest went to communities which already  had water and                                                               
wastewater systems  in place.   The system  was meant  to provide                                                               
equality throughout the system, but  it didn't make sense, as Ms.                                                               
Blake pointed  out, that over $50  million from the fund  went to                                                               
communities which already had water systems.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLAKE told  the committee that beginning in  Nome, Alaska, in                                                               
June, First Alaskans Institute would  be embarking on a series of                                                               
week-long  truth, racial  healing,  and transformation  tribunals                                                               
throughout the  state over the  next two  years.  The  purpose of                                                               
the  tribunals is  that the  stories of  inequity that  have been                                                               
buried and causing trauma will  come to the surface where healing                                                               
can take  place.  In  order to reconcile,  one must start  from a                                                               
good place, Ms. Blake pointed  out.  The transformation component                                                               
will deal  with the  policy shifts  that need  to take  place and                                                               
have needed to for quite some time, she added.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:05:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BLAKE mentioned  that there  is  also a  dialogue series  on                                                               
racial equity  at First Alaskans  Institute.  She brought  to the                                                               
committee's attention the book In  the Courts of the Conqueror by                                                             
Native attorney  Walter R.  Echo-Hawk, in  which it  is described                                                               
that Native people  can be seen as the canary  in the mine shaft,                                                               
and how  if a  culture can  exist for  10,000-plus years,  or 450                                                               
generations,  living  in one  place,  it  is  at the  very  least                                                               
deserving of some recognition, respect,  and appreciation.  Not a                                                               
lot of other cultures can say that, she added.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:07:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY  asked Ms.  Blake to expand  on her  comment about                                                               
how  policymakers  ought  to  reflect  not  one  perspective  but                                                               
multiple  perspectives,  especially with  regard  to  the way  in                                                               
which  implicit bias  can impact  one's ability  to see  multiple                                                               
perspectives   and  become   unintentionally  ingrained   in  the                                                               
decision making process.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:08:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BLAKE replied  that she had been told she  was the one Native                                                               
person in a representative's district;  she knew this was not the                                                               
case.  The representative did  not have an implicit understanding                                                               
that  Native people  were  spread  throughout.   If  it were  the                                                               
belief  that  there  were  no Native  people  in  that  district,                                                               
decisions were not  being made that would  benefit the well-being                                                               
of  the   ones  whose  ancestors   had  been  there   since  time                                                               
immemorial, she added.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:10:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR ZULKOSKY asked Ms. Blake why  it may be problematic for the                                                               
state to discuss equity and inequity in lawsuits.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:10:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TRICKEY answered  that one  of the  things learned  from the                                                               
Kasayulie  case  was  that  the   perpetuation  of  the  conflict                                                               
diminished  the perception  of the  political  leadership of  the                                                               
state  and   contributed  to  some  of   the  racial  antagonism.                                                               
Litigation  polarizes, Mr.  Trickey continued,  and does  make it                                                               
difficult for people to work together.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:12:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BLAKE  answered   that  any  time  equity   or  inequity  is                                                               
addressed, one group  is being favored over  another, and perhaps                                                               
saying that  the value of  one's education or rights  are greater                                                               
if a  student lives  in urban  versus rural  Alaska.   The issues                                                               
could use more finesse, she added.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:13:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  said that she appreciated  the presentation                                                               
of information  via storytelling format  as opposed to  facts and                                                               
figures because  it was  more personal  and showed  the decisions                                                               
were affecting  people.  She  also said  in her district  she has                                                               
about 4  percent Alaska  Native, and  that her  constituents have                                                               
had  to fight,  because of  the inequity,  for their  subsistence                                                               
rights  in  the   Cook  Inlet  after  having   fished  there  for                                                               
generations.   She also  mentioned the  Russian community  in her                                                               
district  and their  own struggle  for school  funding, in  which                                                               
they feel  discriminated against.  She  explained that addressing                                                               
issues of equity and inequity initially  tells us that the way we                                                               
do things is wrong, and no one likes to be told they're wrong.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE illustrated,  by way of analogy,  the way it                                                               
is beneficial to  stand quite literally in another  person's - in                                                               
this case a  village inhabitant's - place to be  able to see what                                                               
that  person   sees.    She  acknowledged   the  challenging  and                                                               
difficult questions, and  asked for patience for  those trying to                                                               
understand.    Representative Vance  related  a  story about  her                                                               
father,  who had  been  gone for  months at  a  time working  for                                                               
Native corporations, and who told her  that the work he was doing                                                               
provided  for  the  needs  of   generations  of  Alaska  Natives.                                                               
Representative  Vance  said  she  hoped  [the  state  and  Alaska                                                               
Natives] could walk together to heal.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:21:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ZULKOSKY said that  many of the conversations have                                                               
been theoretical,  and she would  be interested in  pivoting back                                                               
to  the firm  policy positions  as they  relate to  equity.   She                                                               
asked Mr. Trickey to speak to  what may happen if the vetoed REAA                                                               
construction dollars from last year are not restored.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:22:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY  stated that in his  opinion the failure to  fund the                                                               
REAAs at an adequate level  was leading toward future litigation.                                                               
He reiterated that  it only appeared on a  superficial level that                                                               
the rural  and urban schools were  being treated the same  way as                                                               
urban schools that had the  bonding capacity and taxing authority                                                               
to  proceed with  construction  programs and  meet  the needs  of                                                               
school facilities.  He added that  the vetoes in effect would not                                                               
only  reduce  funding  but stop  sustainable  funding  for  rural                                                               
school new construction and major  maintenance as well as put the                                                               
state in violation of its constitutional obligations again.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:24:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   VANCE  said   that  she   had  also   recognized                                                               
inequality in  grant distribution,  and she  asked what  could be                                                               
done to ensure the grants were being equally distributed.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:26:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. TRICKEY answered  that it was a grant-by-grant  basis and had                                                               
to do  with numbers of  students and daily membership,  and there                                                               
were  several  other  factors  having  to  do  with  supplemental                                                               
funding provided.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:27:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  said she had assumed  grant recipients were                                                               
based upon need, but learned funds  were granted based on who had                                                               
the best idea.   She said it wasn't the best  measure of the best                                                               
use  of  the money  because  often  schools  with the  best  idea                                                               
already had enough resources.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:30:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Tribal Affairs  meeting  was adjourned  at                                                               
9:31 a.m.