Legislature(2023 - 2024)BARNES 124

04/18/2024 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION

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01:03:34 PM Start
01:04:22 PM Presentation(s): Alaska's Ports and Harbors
01:55:54 PM HB395
02:47:36 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Presentation: Port of Homer by Bryan Hawkins, TELECONFERENCED
Port Director, and President, Alaska Association
of Harbormasters and Port Administrators
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
*+ HB 395 TRANSFER OF RAILROAD PROPERTY TELECONFERENCED
Moved HB 395 Out of Committee
-- Invited & Public Testimony --
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                         April 18, 2024                                                                                         
                           1:03 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kevin McCabe, Chair                                                                                              
Representative Sarah Vance, Vice Chair                                                                                          
Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                        
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Genevieve Mina                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jesse Sumner                                                                                                     
Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Jennie Armstrong                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION(S): PORT OF HOMER                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 395                                                                                                              
"An Act approving the transfer of land owned by the Alaska                                                                      
Railroad Corporation to the City of Nenana; and providing for an                                                                
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 395 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 395                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: TRANSFER OF RAILROAD PROPERTY                                                                                      
SPONSOR(s): TRANSPORTATION                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN HAWKINS, Port Director and Harbormaster                                                                                   
City of Homer                                                                                                                   
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave a PowerPoint, titled "Alaska's Ports &                                                              
Harbors."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL LORD, Mayor Pro Tempore                                                                                                  
Homer City Council                                                                                                              
Homer, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the "Alaska's                                                                  
Ports and Harbors" presentation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JULIE MORRIS, Staff                                                                                                             
Representative Kevin McCabe                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Introduced HB 395 on behalf of                                                                           
Representative McCabe, prime sponsor.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JOSHUA VERHAGEN, Mayor of Nenana                                                                                                
Nenana, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony in support of HB
395.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CLINT HALL                                                                                                                      
Hall Quality Builders, Inc.                                                                                                     
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Gave invited testimony during the hearing                                                                
on HB 395.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL WALLERI, Attorney                                                                                                       
Nenana Native Association                                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in opposition to HB 395.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ROMY CADIENTE, Administrator                                                                                                    
Nenana Native Association                                                                                                       
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the hearing on HB 395.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN LINDAMOOD, Vice President and Chief Engineer                                                                              
Alaska Railroad Corporation                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions during the hearing on HB
395.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY TERRY, Vice President of Real Estate                                                                                    
Alaska Railroad Corporation                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions  during the hearing on HB
395.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:03:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  KEVIN  MCCABE  called the  House  Transportation  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 1:03 p.m.   Representatives McKay,                                                               
Vance,  Mina, and  McCabe  were  present at  the  call to  order.                                                               
Representative  C.   Johnson  arrived  as  the   meeting  was  in                                                               
progress.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION(S): Alaska's Ports and Harbors                                                                                    
           PRESENTATION(S): Alaska's Ports & Harbors                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
1:04:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
a presentation titled "Alaska's Ports and Harbors".                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:04:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN  HAWKINS, Port  Director and  Harbormaster, City  of Homer,                                                               
gave a PowerPoint,  titled "Alaska's Ports &  Harbors" [hard copy                                                               
included  in  the  committee  packet].     He  provided  a  brief                                                               
background  related  to  the  context  of  the  presentation  and                                                               
proceeded  to slide  2, which  displayed a  picture of  the Homer                                                               
Harbor  and Kachemak  Bay.    He summarized  the  history of  the                                                               
harbor.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:07:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS moved  to slide 3, which explained the  role that the                                                               
Port  of Homer  plays in  the development  of maritime  and other                                                               
industries in  the Cook Inlet region.   He proceeded to  slide 4,                                                               
titled "Connecting  Commerce and Communities, Vessels,  that call                                                               
Homer Home," and further elaborated on  the role that the Port of                                                               
Homer plays in serving as  a homebase for operations elsewhere in                                                               
the Cook  Inlet region.  He  moved to slide 5,  which displayed a                                                               
picture of the  Port of Homer's commercial barge  ramp being used                                                               
to load construction materials on a barge.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:10:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS moved to slide 6,  which displayed a series of photos                                                               
of various marine safety sites  around Alaska and highlighted the                                                               
Marine  Exchange of  Alaska (MXAK)  operations center  in Juneau.                                                               
He advanced  to slide 7, which  showed a map of  vessel movements                                                               
as tracked  by MXAK's operations  center in Homer.   He explained                                                               
that  slide  8 emphasized  the  access  that  the Port  of  Homer                                                               
provides  to 47  nearby communities  that are  not accessible  by                                                               
road.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:14:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS moved  to slide 9, titled "Planning  for the Future,"                                                               
where  he explained  that the  Homer Port  Facility is  operating                                                               
well beyond  its original  intended capacity  and added  that the                                                               
City  of Homer  and  the  United States  Army  Corp of  Engineers                                                               
(USACE) began a  study on the feasibility of  a large-vessel dock                                                               
there in  March 2023.  He  continued to slide 10,  which showed a                                                               
variety   of  points   related   to   the  previously   mentioned                                                               
feasibility  study  on  the Port  of  Homer's  prospective  large                                                               
vessel dock.  He emphasized the  role that USACE plays in working                                                               
with the City of Homer  in moving forward with public development                                                               
projects such as the large vessel dock in Homer.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:18:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS advanced  to slide 12, titled  "Alaska is Different!"                                                               
The  slide provided  an explanation  of the  history of  port and                                                               
harbor  development in  Alaska  and highlighted  the  age of  and                                                               
difference between ports that are  served by roads and ports that                                                               
are not.  He continued to slide  13, which showed a map of Alaska                                                               
superimposed over a map of  the contiguous United States, as well                                                               
as a list of factoids about  various ports and harbors in Alaska.                                                               
He moved  to slide 14, which  stressed the low grade  of "D" that                                                               
the State of  Alaska received in its 2017 ports  & harbors review                                                               
as done by the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE).                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:21:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS  continued through  slides 15 and  16, both  of which                                                               
gave  examples of  port modernization  projects in  Nome, Juneau,                                                               
Hoonah, Valdez, and  Whittier that were funded in  part by USACE.                                                               
He continued  to slide 17,  which used the  Port of Alaska  as an                                                               
example   of  government   and  private   entities  collaborating                                                               
successfully to  modernize local port infrastructure  in a timely                                                               
and efficient  manner.  He  moved to slide 18,  which highlighted                                                               
the  improved grade  of "C"  that  the State  of Alaska  received                                                               
during  its 2021  ports  & harbors  review as  done  by ASCE.  He                                                               
explained  that this  improved grade  was given  to Alaska  for a                                                               
variety of reasons,  two of which being an  improved capacity for                                                               
tourism and the Nome Deep Draft Arctic Port.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:24:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS  advanced to slide 21,  which displayed a map  of the                                                               
Alaska   Marine  Highway   System's  (AMHS's)   routes  currently                                                               
operating throughout the state.   He continued on slide 22, which                                                               
displayed  a  map  of  all marine  highway  routes  currently  in                                                               
operation  in North  America.   He proceeded  to slide  23, which                                                               
displayed  a  map of  the  new  "M-11"  marine highway  route  in                                                               
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:26:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE  asked  where  the M-11  route's  Cook  Inlet  path                                                               
terminates.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAWKINS  offered  his understanding  that  the  route  would                                                               
terminate in Anchorage.   He concluded the  presentation on slide                                                               
24, which gave an overview of  the role that ports & harbors play                                                               
in  Alaska's economy  and  lifestyle.   Slide  25 showed  contact                                                               
information, and Mr. Hawkins  encouraged questions from committee                                                               
members.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:31:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCKAY asked  about the  water depth  requirements                                                               
and the  feasibility of any  given requirements for  the proposed                                                               
Port of Homer expansion project.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS  responded that the  Port of Homer  expansion project                                                               
is  in  an  already  shallow area  and  would  require  extensive                                                               
dredging.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:35:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA asked  how  USACE  measures project  demand,                                                               
impact  to  a  community,  cost to  maintain,  and  environmental                                                               
impact of any given project.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HAWKINS responded  that the  Port of  Homer's harbor  office                                                               
measures demand with its own anecdotal experience as an entity.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:37:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RACHEL  LORD, Mayor  Pro Tempore,  Homer  City Council,  answered                                                               
questions during  the "Alaska's Ports and  Harbors" presentation.                                                               
She  said that  the Homer  City  Council takes  a perspective  of                                                               
investigation  when  community  concern arises  from  a  proposed                                                               
project.  The  demand for the harbor is clear  and the desire for                                                               
access for safe moorage is well documented, she explained.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:39:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA asked  how the timeline of the  Port of Homer                                                               
project would be affected by any delays in federal funding.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS  replied that the  Project Initiation  Document (PID)                                                               
is separate  from the proposed  project itself and does  not give                                                               
an outline for  any sort of federal funding as  it relates to the                                                               
timeline of the Port of Homer project.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR  LORD added  that the  City  of Homer  has demonstrated  an                                                               
exemplary fiscal  prudence in  its operations  and cited  this as                                                               
evidence for its  continued responsible use of  state and federal                                                               
grants in the future.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:42:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  said this project  has been a  priority for                                                               
the City of  Homer for a while and asked  the presenters to speak                                                               
to  the number  of vessels  they want  to remain  in Homer  year-                                                               
round.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS replied that each year,  the Port of Homer turns away                                                               
a dozen  large vessels due to  capacity issues alone.   It can be                                                               
stretched a bit in  the spring, he added, and if  you look at the                                                               
Alaska fleet, many vessels choose to moor elsewhere.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:45:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE asked the presenters to explain the long-                                                                  
term plan of improvement for all of the Ports in Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS expressed his belief  that they are building the next                                                               
generation of  harbors built for  larger vessels.  He  added that                                                               
making room for  additional fleet that would leave  the state but                                                               
would  stay here  if  they  had an  opportunity  would also  keep                                                               
business in the state.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR  LORD added  that the  Alaska Association  of Harbormasters                                                               
and  Port  Administrators  (AAHPA) was  working  to  collectively                                                               
problem  solve.    She  provided  examples  of  AAHPA  and  grant                                                               
programs  being examples  of ways  the state  can help  float all                                                               
ships by having a vetted program.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:50:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE asked  whether the  commission discussed  a                                                               
port authority for Southcentral Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS replied no.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCCABE asked  whether  the goods  for Homer  come                                                               
through Anchorage.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. HAWKINS affirmed  the City of Homer had thought  about it and                                                               
in 2017 did a deep dive  about extending port services to include                                                               
a dock or  build a new one for containerized  freight, but it was                                                               
ultimately a matter of economics and population.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:55:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE thanked the presenters.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
              HB 395-TRANSFER OF RAILROAD PROPERTY                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Contains discussion of HB 199.]                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:55:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
HB 395,  HOUSE BILL NO.  395, "An  Act approving the  transfer of                                                               
land  owned by  the Alaska  Railroad Corporation  to the  City of                                                               
Nenana; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:56:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JULIE MORRIS,  Staff, Representative  Kevin McCabe,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  introduced  HB  395  on  behalf  of  Representative                                                               
McCabe,  prime sponsor.   She  paraphrased the  sponsor statement                                                               
[included in the committee packet], which read as follows:                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 395 aims to facilitate the transfer of land                                                                     
      from the Alaska Railroad Corporation to the City of                                                                       
     Nenana. This  transfer is significant because  the city                                                                    
     has  been  actively  managing  this  land  since  1981,                                                                    
     investing approximately  $29 million  in infrastructure                                                                    
     over the years.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     The  location of  the land  holds strategic  importance                                                                    
     for industrial development, given  its proximity to the                                                                    
     river system,  the Alaska Railroad, the  Parks Highway,                                                                    
     and the  Nenana Airport, which collectively  serve as a                                                                    
     vital  transportation hub.  By  acquiring ownership  of                                                                    
     this  land, the  municipality aims  to leverage  it for                                                                    
     further economic growth in the region.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     The goal  for the  municipality to  own the  land under                                                                    
     the infrastructure will further  economic growth in the                                                                    
     region,  and  the  city has  a  development  plan  that                                                                    
     includes  Nenana's  Municipal  Boat Launch.  This  boat                                                                    
     launch serves as  an access point for  many rivers such                                                                    
     as  the   Tanana,  Totatlankia,   Teklanika,  Tolovana,                                                                    
     Kantishna  and  the  Yukon.  The  City  of  Nenana  has                                                                    
     invested $300,000  in the  boat launch  alone and  is a                                                                    
     central  piece of  infrastructure which  is located  on                                                                    
     the railroad property that will  be conveyed under this                                                                    
     legislation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Overall, HB 395 seeks to  empower the City of Nenana to                                                                    
     take ownership  of the  land it  has been  managing and                                                                    
     investing in  for decades, enabling  it to  further its                                                                    
     economic    development   goals    and   utilize    key                                                                    
     infrastructure assets for the  benefit of the community                                                                    
     and the region.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:58:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MORRIS gave the sectional analysis [included in the                                                                         
committee packet] for HB 395, which read as follows [original                                                                   
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1  amends the  uncodified law  of the  State of                                                                  
     Alaska  by amending  a new  section  that approves  the                                                                    
     transfer of  real property to  the City of  Nenana. The                                                                    
     Alaska  Railroad corporation  is  authorized to  convey                                                                    
     the  convey  the  interest in  the  surface  estate  of                                                                    
     approximately 188  acres of  rail land  to the  City of                                                                    
     Nenana and  provides for the legal  descriptions of the                                                                    
     property conveyed.                                                                                                         
         Section 2 provides for an effective date under                                                                       
     AS.01.10.070(c).                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:59:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE, as  prime sponsor  of HB  395, explained  that the                                                               
City of Nenana  has first rights of refusal;  therefore, the bill                                                               
now references  the City  of Nenana first.   He  welcomed invited                                                               
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:00:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOSHUA VERHAGEN,  Mayor, City of  Nenana, gave  invited testimony                                                               
in support of  HB 395.  He stated that  prior to his involvement,                                                               
a former  mayor had  worked diligently  to get  this accomplished                                                               
and he  thanked the  Alaska Railroad  Corporation (ARRC)  for its                                                               
willingness  to work  with  Nenana.   He  provided  a history  of                                                               
Nenana and  how it  was built  as a railroad  town, and  that the                                                               
town had a long history of barging.   He noted that Nenana had 13                                                               
years  left   on  a  lease   with  ARRC  and  he   expressed  the                                                               
difficulties in wanting to invest  more in property and having to                                                               
pay more just to use the  infrastructure.  There are subleases on                                                               
the  property as  well, and  there is  significant interest  from                                                               
other investors, he  said, and the investors are  anxious for the                                                               
City of  Nenana to own  the land.   As for financial  matters, he                                                               
explained  the  city had  $10.5  million  in  debt when  he  took                                                               
office, but  the debt  has since been  eliminated by  95 percent.                                                               
He stressed  that HB  395 could  help with  the goal  of becoming                                                               
debt  free.   He thanked  the  committee for  the opportunity  to                                                               
testify for the betterment of the community and the region.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:07:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MINA questioned  how Nenana  had been  working on                                                               
the purchase  since the  1980s and what  factors were  behind the                                                               
delay.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR  VERHAGEN responded  that in  the  1980s, the  city put  an                                                               
initiative on the ballot to take  out a bond, which was supported                                                               
by the  community.  He  said he was not  sure of all  the reasons                                                               
why a  bill was  never put  forward, but a  factor that  may have                                                               
come  into play  was that  there  was an  economic industry  that                                                               
included the barge,  and the revenue was substantial  but did not                                                               
cover the cost  of the lease; therefore, the city  fell behind on                                                               
payments.   He noted hesitation  from the community  in investing                                                               
in  land owned  by ARRC  but offered  his understanding  that the                                                               
community would be more interested if  the land were owned by the                                                               
city.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:10:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLINT HALL,  Hall Quality Builders, Inc.,  gave invited testimony                                                               
during  the  hearing on  HB  395.    He provided  a  professional                                                               
background and  history of  his business'  involvement throughout                                                               
the  state.   He noted  the limited  supply of  logs and  that in                                                               
Nenana,  there  appears  to  be  a supply  of  timber  and  logs;                                                               
therefore, the  timber supply is  an attraction and  the railroad                                                               
to Seward is  as well, so they can get  their patented product on                                                               
a barge, he stated.   He added that barging on  the river is also                                                               
an attraction related  to affordable homes in  the community, and                                                               
he  offered his  support  of having  a facility  in  Nenana.   He                                                               
opined that  it would create jobs  and new companies on  the road                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:15:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE commented  that he  saw  the design  of Mr.  Hall's                                                               
homes and  he described them  as "fabulous."   He added  that the                                                               
company was well-poised to make a difference in the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:16:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE opened public testimony on HB 395.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:16:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL WALLERI,  Attorney, Nenana Native  Association, testified                                                               
in opposition  to HB 395.   He noted that there  were many issues                                                               
that  should be  addressed.   He referred  to HB  199, which  the                                                               
tribe would  prefer, he said.   He  mentioned the right  of first                                                               
refusal, but as the mayor had  pointed out, the city is in breach                                                               
of its  leases and from  a legal  standpoint, the right  of first                                                               
refusal is dependent  on them complying with the  leases but they                                                               
are out of  compliance.  He noted the many  reasons why the tribe                                                               
thinks  it would  be a  better steward  for the  lands.   Another                                                               
concern of the  tribe he noted was the contamination  on the fuel                                                               
docks  causing  much  of  the  land  to  be  contaminated,  which                                                               
presents  a health  risk  to the  residents.   He  said the  city                                                               
neither  acknowledges that  the  contamination exists  nor has  a                                                               
plan to remediate it.   He mentioned the various liabilities that                                                               
would stem from  the clean-up.  He stated the  Tribe would prefer                                                               
cooperation, not litigation, to address the contamination.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:21:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WALLERI  spoke to  old  letters  of support  and  reiterated                                                               
addressing   the    contamination   issues    before   discussing                                                               
redevelopment.   The city has been  in a state of  decline due to                                                               
loss of  port tenants  and the population  has dropped,  which is                                                               
legally important,  he explained,  because it  does not  meet the                                                               
criteria to become a first-class city.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:23:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  MCCABE  requested  that   a  report  on  contamination  be                                                               
forwarded to him.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:24:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROMY   CADIENTE,   Administrator,  Nenana   Native   Association,                                                               
testified during the hearing on HB  395.  In relation to the fire                                                               
department being disbanded, he explained  that the tribe supports                                                               
the  fire  department in  salaries,  purchases,  and notably  the                                                               
purchase  of a  new  ambulance due  to trips  back  and forth  to                                                               
Fairbanks.   He mentioned  the Nenana bridge  and that  the tribe                                                               
has  worked  with the  Department  of  Transportation and  Public                                                               
Facilities  (DOT&PF) to  complete the  project and  the financial                                                               
reports.  He  stressed that the tribe sought to  work with all in                                                               
a  meaningful,  cooperative,  respectful way  that  benefits  the                                                               
Nenana residents.   He summarized accomplishments  of projects in                                                               
which the Tribe had a part.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:27:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE, after  ascertaining no one else  wished to testify,                                                               
closed public testimony on HB 395.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:28:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA asked Mayor Verhagen  for his response to the                                                               
contamination issues and liability to the city and railroad.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAYOR VERHAGEN replied  that he was surprised  by the accusations                                                               
being made  because they  have not been  accurate in  relation to                                                               
communication.   On the  environmental side  of things,  he said,                                                               
the City of Nenana is aware  of the contamination which is due to                                                               
three fuel  sites that  were not  operated by  the city,  and one                                                               
predated the  city's lease.   Monitoring is done every  year, and                                                               
the city receives a report of  any changes, he explained, and the                                                               
contamination is  a concern of  the city and would  be addressed.                                                               
Grants and funds to clean up  the issue are being looked into, he                                                               
noted,  as  well  as  collaboration with  the  railroad  on  this                                                               
environmental issue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:32:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:32 p.m. to 2:34 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:34:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE invited questions from committee members.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:34:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE  inquired  about   the  obligation  of  the                                                               
railroad to begin the conversation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  imparted that HB 395  would allow the sale  of land                                                               
but not require it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:35:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  LINDAMOOD,  Vice  President  and  Chief  Engineer,  Alaska                                                               
Railroad   Corporation,   addressed  Representative   Vance   and                                                               
explained  that the  bill as  written is  permissive for  ARRC to                                                               
sell  any  property  and  does require  a  board  of  affirmative                                                               
action.   Both the legislature  and the ARRC board  must approve,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE brought up the  [first right of refusal] for                                                               
the City  of Nenana  and inquired whether  that was  under ARRC's                                                               
purview.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDAMOOD answered  that he could not speak for  the board on                                                               
its  preferences.   He  noted  that ARRC  has  been working  with                                                               
Nenana for many years to come up with something that works.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE VANCE  asked for  clarity on  who legally  has the                                                               
first right of refusal.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDAMOOD  said he did  not have the  lease in front  of him,                                                               
but  typically,  the first  right  of  refusal  is in  the  lease                                                               
documents, and he would field the inquiry to Ms. Terry.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:38:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  C. JOHNSON  said  that he  believed  much of  the                                                               
revenue  generated   from  the  railroad  is   from  real  estate                                                               
holdings, and  he asked  what kind  of loss  of revenue  would be                                                               
generated  and whether  it  would run  afoul  of the  procurement                                                               
code.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. LINDAMOOD directed the inquiry to Ms. Terry.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:39:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTY  TERRY, Vice  President of  Real Estate,  Alaska Railroad                                                               
Corporation,  addressed Representative  C. Johnson  and confirmed                                                               
there were  no other  lands for sale  at this time.   As  for the                                                               
procurement code, she said that  the decision would rest with the                                                               
board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON recollected  that there were parcels of                                                               
land on  Ship Creek and there  were attempts to purchase  land in                                                               
that area,  and he asked whether  that was up for  discussion and                                                               
if it could be included in this piece of proposed legislation.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. TERRY replied  that the land is unique, and  the railroad had                                                               
significant  real estate  holdings;  therefore,  selling land  is                                                               
something the  railroad does  not take  lightly (indisc.  - noise                                                               
interference).  She said much work would still need to be done.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE C. JOHNSON asked what  kind of lost revenue to the                                                               
railroad would occur after a sale.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. TERRY  reiterated that the  ARRC had significant  real estate                                                               
holdings, but it  would be something for the board  to review and                                                               
take the totality into account.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:44:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MCCABE  inquired about  an agreement  of terms  between the                                                               
railroad and  Nenana and  whether that would  cure the  lease and                                                               
allow the city to maintain its first right of refusal.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. TERRY responded that there  had been discussions, but nothing                                                               
had been  finalized at  this time.   She  said ARRC's  legal team                                                               
could better speak to the terms.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:45:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA asked  for background as to  why the railroad                                                               
decided  not  to sell  the  land  after  Nenana passed  the  bond                                                               
proposal in the 1980s.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS CLEMENS  replied that she  did not  know the backstory  to why                                                               
that happened in the 1980s.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:46:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  VANCE moved  to report  HB 395  out of  committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:46:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MINA objected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.  Representatives  C. Johnson, McKay,                                                               
Vance, and McCabe voted in favor  of HB 395.  Representative Mina                                                               
voted against  it.   Therefore, HB  395 was  reported out  of the                                                               
House Transportation Standing Committee by a vote of 4-1.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:47:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Transportation Standing  Committee meeting was adjourned  at 2:48                                                               
p.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 395 Ver A. 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Sponsor Statement 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
STRA 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Sectional Analysis 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
STRA 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Support Document Map1.4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
STRA 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Support Document Map2 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
STRA 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Letter of Support - CDG Beyond Real Estate 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Letter of Support - Boreal Carbon Corporation 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Letter of Support - Clint Hall 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Letters of Support from 2022, Governor, Tribe 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Resolution 2024-02 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
STRA 4/30/2024 1:30:00 PM
HB 395
HB 395 Ver A Fiscal Note DCCED 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM
HB 395
Homer Harbor AAHPA Byran Hawkins HTRA 4.18.24.pdf HTRA 4/18/2024 1:00:00 PM