Legislature(1997 - 1998)
05/08/1997 10:10 AM House TRA
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HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE
May 8, 1997
10:10 a.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Bill Williams, Chairman
Representative John Cowdery
Representative Bill Hudson
Representative Jerry Sanders
MEMBERS ABSENT
Representative Beverly Masek, Vice Chairman
Representative Kim Elton
Representative Al Kookesh
OTHER HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Gene Therriault
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
* HOUSE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION NO. 17
Relating to improvements to highways and highway facilities.
- MOVED HCR 17 OUT OF COMMITTEE
* HOUSE BILL NO. 263
"An Act repealing the exemption from the motor fuel tax for fuel
that is at least 10 percent alcohol by volume, and establishing a
motor fuel tax exemption for motor fuel that is produced from the
processing of lignocellulose, that is at least 10 percent alcohol
by volume, and that is produced during the first five years of a
facility's processing of lignocellulose from wood; and providing
for an effective date."
- MOVED CSHB 263(TRA) OUT OF COMMITTEE
(* First public hearing)
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: HCR 17
SHORT TITLE: IMPROVE HIGHWAYS AND HWY FACILITIES
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) MULDER
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
04/16/97 1121 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
04/16/97 1121 (H) TRANSPORTATION
05/08/97 (H) TRA AT 8:30 AM CAPITOL 17
BILL: HB 263
SHORT TITLE: MOTOR FUEL TAX:LIGNOCELLULOSE/10% ALCOHOL
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) WILLIAMS
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
04/25/97 1342 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
04/25/97 1342 (H) TRANSPORTATION, FINANCE
05/08/97 (H) TRA AT 8:30 AM CAPITOL 17
WITNESS REGISTER
MATTHEW GILL, Legislative Secretary
to Representative Eldon Mulder
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 501
Juneau, Alaska 99802
Telephone: (907) 465-2647
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor testimony on HCR 17.
PETER ECKLUND, Legislative Assistant
to Representative Bill Williams
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 424
Juneau, Alaska 99802
Telephone: (907) 465-3423
POSITION STATEMENT: Sponsor testimony on HB 263.
STEVE GATTO, Representative
BCI
101 Derby Street
Hingham, Massachusetts 02043
Telephone: (781) 461-5700
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 263.
ROBERT LOESCHER, Executive Vice President
Natural Resources Division
Sealaska Corporation
1 Sealaska Plaza
Juneau, Alaska 99802
Telephone: (907) 586-9233
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 263.
ALLYN HAYES, Representative
Ketchikan Pulp Company
P.O. Box 6600
Hayes, Ketchikan 99901
Telephone: (907) 228-2233
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 263.
JACK PHELPS, Executive Director
Alaska Forest Association
P.O. Box 23267
Ketchikan, Alaska 99901
Telephone: (907) 225-6114
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified in support of HB 263.
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 97-26, SIDE A
Number 0001
CHAIRMAN BILL WILLIAMS called the House Transportation Standing
Committee to order at 10:10 a.m. Members present at the call to
order were Representatives Williams, Sanders, Hudson and Cowdery.
Members absent were Representatives Masek, Elton and Kookesh.
HCR 17 - IMPROVE HIGHWAYS AND HWY FACILITIES
Number 0031
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced the first order of business would be
HCR 17, "Relating to improvements to highways and highway
facilities."
Number 0060
MATTHEW GILL, Legislative Secretary to Representative Eldon Mulder,
introduced HCR 17. He stated that Representative Mulder is asking
that the state recognize the importance of having a strong
transportation system, as both tourists and local residents use it.
Number 0124
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COWDERY asked if the primary intent of HCR 17
relates to the Alaska-Canada Highway and its connecting highways.
Number 0148
MR. GILL replied that is correct. He stated that he has talked to
various travel clubs that are supporting the legislation and their
main concern is the area between Fort Nelson and Watson Lake, but
otherwise they are pleased with it.
Number 0221
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if HCR 17 is for the state of Alaska.
MR. GILL replied that is correct.
Number 0236
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that he thought it was a good
resolution and made a motion to move HCR 17, with individual
recommendations and a zero fiscal note, out of the House
Transportation Standing Committee.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if there were any objections. Hearing
none, HCR 17 was moved out of the House Transportation Standing
Committee.
HB 263 - MOTOR FUEL TAX:LIGNOCELLULOSE/10% ALCOHOL
Number 0401
CHAIRMAN Williams announced the next order of business to be HB
263, "An Act repealing the exemption from the motor fuel tax for
fuel that is at least 10 percent alcohol by volume, and
establishing a motor fuel tax exemption for motor fuel that is
produced from the processing of lignocellulose, that is at least 10
percent alcohol by volume, and that is produced during the first
five years of a facility's processing of lignocellulose from wood;
and providing for an effective date." He stated that Peter
Ecklund, Legislative Assistant, would present the bill.
Number 0412
PETER ECKLUND, Legislative Assistant to Representative Bill
Williams, read the sponsor statement into the record:
"House Bill 263 was introduced to encourage a renewable energy
industry in Alaska. Technology is now under development, which
would allow ethanol to be reduced from wood and wood wastes.
Alaska could be at the forefront of a new high value added,
environmentally friendly wood ethanol industry. Southeast Alaska's
timber industry has suffered a terrible job loss over the last six
years. Absent any pulp mills, there are no current manufacturing
techniques which use a low end, former pulp quality wood. We may
soon be `chipping and shipping' low quality logs and jobs from
Southeast.
"If we are able to entice investors to start wood ethanol plants in
Alaska, we could employ many of the now unemployed timber workers
of the region. Wood ethanol plants could convert milling wastes,
low quality wood chips and even paper into ethanol.
"Current Alaska law taxes motor fuel at 8 cents a gallon. Gasohol,
or gasoline blended with 10 percent ethanol, is exempt from this
tax."
Number 0508
MR. ECKLUND stated there was legislation that just passed the House
a couple days ago, HB 63, that proposed to take away the ethanol
tax credit.
MR. ECKLUND continued to read the sponsor statement: "House bill
263 proposes to end the 8 cent a gallon tax credit for all gasohol
except for that gasohol that uses ethanol derived from wood. Corn,
barley and other grain based ethanol would not qualify for the
gasohol tax credit."
Number 0538
MR. ECKLUND stated that there is a work draft committee substitute
in the committee members file. He then continued with the sponsor
statement: "Under that gasohol using wood ethanol would be taxed
at 8 cents lower than the prevailing motor fuel rate. So, if the
motor fuel was raised in the future, the wood/ethanol gasohol tax
rate would raise at the same rate and remain 8 cents below whatever
the new motor fuel was.
"Also, the wood ethanol gasohol tax incentive would only be in
effect for the first five years of the wood ethanol plant's
existence, and once that ethanol is sold on the market the 8 cent
a gallon tax credit would only be in effect for five years.
"According to the National Renewable Energy Lab, there are no
plants which currently produce ethanol from wood. This legislation
would send the message to investors that the state of Alaska wants
to encourage a new renewable energy industry in our state, and
create an environmentally friendly high value-added wood product."
Number 0654
MR. ECKLUND passed out a revised fiscal note from the Department of
Revenue. He stated that currently there is no gasohol that is
produced from wood that can qualify for the tax incentive proposed
in this bill. He stated that the fiscal note reflects the fact
that there would not be that tax incentive for corn, barely or any
other ethanol. The net benefit to the state would be $8 million in
revenues the first few years and if and when a wood ethanol plant
came on-line in Alaska, there would some reduction in that net
gain.
Number 0736
REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS stated that he thought they just
passed a bill that would eliminate that; therefore, we would get
this money back without HB 263.
Number 0747
MR. ECKLUND replied that HB 63 is not law yet, and the current law
gives an 8 cent a gallon tax credit for all ethanol.
Number 0810
REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON asked what happens if HB 63 does become
law.
Number 0818
MR. ECKLUND replied if HB 63 were to become to law and if HB 263
were to pass and become law, it would still recapture those current
ethanol tax credits that go to the out-of-state producers of
ethanol. He stated that there would be no reduction to the general
fund for ethanol or gasohol using wood ethanol unless and until a
wood ethanol plant came on-line and sold into the market. He
stated that currently the purpose is to encourage the development
of this new technology and have Alaska be at the forefront of this
new industry. He stated that it is hard to tell what the fiscal
impact could be in the future because it depends on whether or not
we are able to entice someone to come to Alaska and create a new
plant.
Number 0909
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that HB 263 would have no bearing on
HB 63, which eliminated the 8 cent tax exemption on gasohol,
largely made from grains, that are shipped to Alaska. He stated
the HB 263 states that the tax rate on motor fuel blended with
alcohol is the same tax rate as a gallon of other motor fuel.
However, he stated that HB 263, AS 43.40.010(4), Section 1, lines
3 through 7 states, "The tax is not due on the motor fuel sold or
otherwise transferred in the state that is at least 10 percent
alcohol by volume and has been produced from the processing of
lignocellulose derived from wood; and was produced in a facility
that processes lignocellulose..." He asked if this bill only
affords the 8 cent exemption from gas that has the additive of wood
ethanol.
Number 1021
MR. ECKLUND replied that is correct. The only ethanol that would
qualify to blended with gasoline and qualify for the 8 cent a
gallon tax incentive would be wood ethanol. He stated that
currently there are no producers of wood ethanol, anywhere. He
stated that the capability is there as we are trying to encourage
a company to come to Alaska and produce wood ethanol.
Number 1120
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that he supports the legislation, not
only because of Southeast Alaska, but because of the vast forests
of the Susitna, Tanana, Fairbanks and Kenai Peninsula. He stated
that this would be a tax incentive, similar to the ethanol fuel
incentive that parts of Alaska has had for a number of years.
Number 1204
MR. ECKLUND added that paper would also work in this process. He
stated that if HB 63 became law, this legislation would mesh and
wood ethanol would be the only one that would qualify for the
credit.
Number 1223
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if Ketchikan, being a rain forest,
would have the best quality of wood suited for the wood ethanol,
rather than the hard wood of other areas of the state.
Number 1248
MR. ECKLUND stated that someone will be here to answer that
question, but it is his understanding that hard woods are better
for wood ethanol production.
Number 1312
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked, "Is the alcohol or whatever we're
importing from Kansas or wherever, is it the same product or is it
a different product. Do we -- or do you know?"
Number 1328
MR. ECKLUND replied that it is ethanol.
Number 1436
STEVE GATTO, Representative, BCI, stated that the company is based
in Boston and is involved in the technology that allows the
conversion of organic materials into ethanol. The significance is
they able to take grass, sawdust, wood waste, fish waste, corn
cobs, and other various agricultural wastes and then converts them
into ethanol. He stated that ethanol is utilized in a component of
gasoline because the emissions are cleaner. He stated that BCI is
involved because they have a desire to build a plant. He pointed
out that their goal would be to take advantage of the abundant feed
stocks that appear to be available, utilize those feed stocks,
convert them into alcohol and have an indigenous source of ethanol
that could be blended and used in the various markets available in
Alaska.
Number 1554
MR. GATTO informed the committee that he toured the Ketchikan pulp
mill to understand what the potential opportunities are to
revitalize that particular region and to utilize the existing
infrastructure to make it a producible asset again. He stated that
BCI needs to have a lot of information because the investment is
staggering. He explained that to begin the process of evaluation,
just from an engineering prospective, costs over a million dollars.
He asserted that there are a lot of uncertainties in Alaska with
respect to the availability of materials. He stated that the
Tongass Land Management Plan is due out and is creating pressure on
the community of Ketchikan to revitalize and get back the jobs that
were lost as a result of the mill closure. He stated that BCI has
the opportunity to get involved in the process but direction is
needed as well as the understanding of exactly what the
availability is of the feed stocks.
Number 1706
MR. GATTO asserted that BCI's interest is real. He stated that
Alaska has an outstanding market opportunity to utilize the
products that BCI makes. He said BCI makes a product called
gypsum, which has no radioactivity. Ketchikan has a plant that
would have the potential to use that product as it is currently
being imported.
Mr. GATTO explained that an opportunity is created by taking waste
materials that currently exist and then utilizing the existing pulp
mill. The waste product could be wood, fish waste, card board,
paper sludge, or mixed waste paper. He stated that the net effect
is an indigenous source of ethanol, that allows the blending of the
product on a statewide basis.
Number 1817
MR. GATTO stated that job creation, economic development, rural
development and environmental opportunities to clean up areas would
be the effect. He stated that the areas effected by beetlekill
need to be cleaned up, as it has a pent up supply of material that
nobody can do anything with and as a result is causing damage. He
continued that Ketchikan would be the starting point of this
opportunity because there is the pre-existing infrastructure. He
stated that BCI's interest and desire is to work with the people of
Ketchikan and the state of Alaska. He continued the BCI would like
to understand all the elements that are necessary to bring to bear
the feed stock at this location and to analyze the reusability of
the existing mill.
Number 1935
MR. GATTO continued that the key element is to make sure the 8 cent
a gallon credit stays. He said, "The reason is simple. You folks
are reeling right now because the federal government stepped in and
said, `we're going to reduce the cut,' and that effects your timber
industry which effects all of Alaska. The effect of getting rid of
this credit does the exact same thing." He stated that it would
prevent taking advantage of a vibrant opportunity.
Number 2008
MR. GATTO stated that it would be a $30 million to $40 million
investment for a 10 million gallon a year plant. He stated that
the it would be a benefit to the people who would be employed by
the plant. The current configuration of an 8 cent a gallon credit,
is vital to the industry and can create a tremendous infrastructure
opportunity for development both in Southeast Alaska and other
areas of the state.
Number 2054
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked, "The conversion cost versus gasoline
cost, in other words, after your up and running costs what do you
anticipate that -- I am trying to relate to that to the cost of
gasoline."
Number 2128
MR. GATTO replied that he could not speak with certainty about the
cost of gasoline in Alaska. He stated that he would relate it to
the cost of gasoline in Massachusetts, where the wholesale gasoline
pretax is about 75 cents, per gallon for regular unleaded 84 octane
gas. He stated that he heard testimony in the House Finance
Standing Committee about blending the 84 octane gasoline and
requiring ethanol in the 10 percent blend to have a cost of about
$1.35 a gallon. He stated that the federal credit of 5.4 cents a
gallon coupled with the 8 cent a gallon credit, that the state
provides, would be sufficient enough to cover the transportation
costs to get ethanol to Alaska. Mr. Gatto said, "In terms of the
cost of landing a product outside the state of Alaska the
manufactured cost leaving that area where it is made is about $1.20
a gallon."
Number 2223
MR. GATTO stated that ethanol is a petroleum product, however, its
raw material base has nothing to do with the petroleum markets. He
stated that the volatility and the problems that can happen within
a specific environment could effect the end product. For example,
18 months ago grain prices were at there highest, corn was up to $5
a bushel therefore, the ethanol price would have to go up as well.
He stated that typically the consumer is the one who would pay.
Number 2350
MR. GATTO stated that the significance of BCI's technology is that
BCI is utilizing materials that are wastes. He continued that in
most cases people pay BCI to get rid of the wastes. For example,
when Ketchikan pulp mill was in operation they generated sludge,
BCI would provide the environmental benefit to take that material
out and turn it into ethanol at 78 cents per gallon. He stated
that is compared to the import price of $1.20 per gallon plus
transportation fees to get the product to Alaska. He reiterated
that the 8 cent credit is imperative to maintain the current
industry and infrastructure to allow BCI to come forward. He
asserted that ethanol will be blended in Alaska, it is just a
matter of what is the better way.
Number 2515
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if automobiles could run on the
product.
Number 2525
MR. GATTO replied that a lot of people would say yes. He stated
that in Brazil it is being done. He stated that the real question
is, "Are there any issues in Alaska that may alter that?" There is
a major push in car manufactures to create vehicles called E-85
cars. These cars run on 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent
gasoline. He stated that these cars have proven to be acceptable
and cost the same as all gasoline vehicles.
Number 2625
MR. GATTO asserted that there is an opportunity to take advantage
of an existing market presence that has been created by the federal
government and, at the same time, have a better, cleaner burning
fuel. He stated that the opportunity is to make the process
indigenous which would create jobs.
Number 2733
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked where the market would be for the 10
million gallons that could be produced in Ketchikan.
Number 2751
MR. GATTO replied that it is a based on the assumption that the
Tongass Land Management Plan comes in at a level that is indicative
of BCI's ability to be there. He stated that would be at 300
million board feet, not at 80 million board feet which would impact
BCI's ability to garner waste from that region. He stated that
BCI's process provides an opportunity to generate roughly 85 to 100
gallons per ton of bone dry material. He said, "The Tongass Forest
at 100 percent value of 300 million board feet, the amount of waste
material that is generated in the corollary could be tremendous in
terms of the alcohol production potential." He stated that the
export potential is huge, there is a company in Seattle and
Portland called TOSCO Corporation which blends ethanol, most of
their product coming from the mid-west. He reiterated the export
opportunity for Alaska. He stated that the market opportunity in
the state for ethanol is quantified by the total gasoline pool. He
said, "If the total gasoline pool is 116 million gallons and you
can only blend 10 percent, well then you understand, the credit can
only be so much in order to achieve the gain. So it is
quantifiable." Mr. Gatto stated that if the Tongass Land
Management Plan is favorable it would provide export opportunities.
Japan imports almost all of their petroleum needs.
Number 2944
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that in addition to Japan; Korea and
Taiwan have major pollution problems and would therefore have a
potential market for the product.
Number 3015
MR. GATTO stated that he agreed. He explained that there was a
World Bank study that discussed that Indonesia and China will
consume as much petroleum as the United States does. He reiterated
that utilizing an indigenous renewable source of energy provides an
opportunity to limit imports to the United States, in addition to
being implicit in terms of air quality. He stated that it will
create significant air quality benefits as a result. He stated
that he understands that it appears that it is taxing the roles
today but the net effect will be the offset of costs that otherwise
will have to be deployed somewhere to meet those air quality
standards.
Number 3145
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated he supports this concept.
Number 3235
ROBERT LOESCHER, Executive Vice President, Natural Resources
Division, Sealaska Corporation, read the following statement into
the record:
"I'm pleased to appear today to lend Sealaska's enthusiastic
support for HB 263. As the state's general motor fuel tax
exemption for ethanol based fuel appears destined for repeal, HB
263 recognizes that there remain compelling public policy reasons
for retaining a more targeted exemption for wood based ethanol.
With this bill, the Alaska Legislature may help unlock one door to
the revitalization of Alaska's timber industry. As Alaska's
largest private timber owner, Sealaska supports that initiative.
"With the loss of Southeast Alaska's two pulp mills, the market for
the lower-end of Alaska's forest products has declined
considerably. At the same time, timber owners in Southcentral and
Interior Alaska face the challenge of marketing marginal timber
infested by bark beetles. On a statewide basis, then, Alaskans are
challenged by the need to find and encourage a reliable long term
market for a considerable portion of the state's timber inventory.
"The use of lower-end wood products to manufacture ethanol is a
potential answer to that challenge and ethanol manufacturing would
aid our forest industry in a different way as well. The already
marginal economics of instate wood processing are driven even lower
by the costly burden of disposing of sawdust and other wood wastes
from saw mill operations. Indeed, Sealaska has estimated that
opening a new sawmill in Southeast Alaska would carry with it the
need to invest over $5 million in wood waste disposal facilities.
Right now Mr. Chairman we have been at the benefit of Alaska
Department of Environmental Conservation and local municipalities
who have been taking our wood waste and creating golf courses but
we are going to run out of areas to create golf courses. And with
the two current options for wood waste disposal, that is either
incineration or land filling being disfavored by regulators, the
problem of solid waste disposal becomes a legal, as well as
economic disincentive.
"Legislation that offers a targeted tax incentive to: (1) create a
market for lower end forest products; and (2) turn costly solid
waste into profitable feed stock, would represent a concrete,
creative and pro-active response to the ills that have befallen
Alaska's forest products industry.
"I cannot tell you, sitting here, that an exemption from an 8 cent
per gallon tax will transform wood based ethanol production from a
concept into reality. The truth of the matter is that less than
one-fifth of 1 percent of America's total ethanol production is
currently attributable to wood. We are dealing here with a
concept, an exciting possibility and not a reality. But as Ms.
Megan Smith of the National Biofuels Institute told the House
Resources Committee on February 20th, some of our nation's most
respected biofuels experts including those at the U.S. Department
of Energy's National Renewable Energy Lab, are sufficiently
encouraged by the prospect to have at least begun exploring this
technology's feasibility.
"Like any exciting new technology, the promise of this one depends
on the willingness of good people to devote the time and money
necessary to try, test and develop. And that, in turn depends on
the existence of a favorable economic climate, which is what HB 263
would help create.
"And it would do so, I would add, at little cost. If the
legislation fails its purpose, it would cost nothing, for no wood
based ethanol plant would exist to claim its exemption. And if it
succeeds too well, spawning a healthy new industry that needs no
further help, this legislature can take due credit for its birth,
while future legislatures can amend the law to prevent excesses.
"But succeed or fail, HB 263 would signal to all Alaskans that the
Alaska Legislature has done what it could to aid a beleaguered
industry. And that, I think, may ultimately prove both the finest
virtue of this legislation."
Number 3717
MR. LOESCHER stated that Sealaska Corporation supports HB 263.
Sealaska Corporation has been committed to looking at reinvestment
in the timber industry. He stated that the corporation owns 3
billion board feet of private timber and inventory and has been
studying this technology for about a year.
Number 3758
ALLYN HAYES, Representative, Ketchikan Pulp Company, testified via
teleconference from Ketchikan in support of HB 263. He stated that
Ketchikan Pulp Company is committed to a redevelopment plan and has
been looking for smaller user tenants, an ethanol possibility would
be a major user of some of the assets of Ketchikan Pulp Company.
He stated that they have engaged redevelopment experts in the
Pacific Northwest, to look at the buildings that would be useable
for smaller tenants. He continued that one of the major buildings
that would be the logical area for an ethanol plant, is scheduled
for demolishing prior to the end of the year. Mr. Hayes explained
that time is an important factor because the Tongass Land
Management Plan will result in decisions as to what assets that
should be kept.
Number 4133
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if was at the end of the year that the
demolition would occur.
Number 4145
MR. HAYES stated that the goal is to have the central pulp
preparations building down by the end of the year or at least by
next spring because this facility needs to be heated in order to be
maintained.
Number 4231
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked what the legislature could do to help
Ketchikan Pulp Company.
Number 4239
MR. HAYES replied that if an outside interest is interested in the
Ketchikan Pulp Company it would lend itself to trigger the decision
that would hold off the demolition of some areas.
Number 4350
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS indicated that Representative Gene Therriault was
in attendance.
Number 4353
JACK PHELPS, Executive Director, Alaska Forest Association,
testified via teleconference from Ketchikan that it is a genuine
possibility to not only recover some of the jobs lost, but also to
address the problem of low-end wood and other waste materials,
particularly sawdust. He stated that the state should not hinder
any new investments in Southeast Alaska that would help alleviate
the communities economic problems. He stated that the incentive
for the use of ethanol in the state is a factor for BCI to come to
Alaska and the loss of that incentive may not destroy the viability
of the project but it would remove one of the main attractions for
doing it. He stated that HB 263 would restore that incentive and
it is important for this door to be kept open. He stated that he
encourages the committee to move HB 263 forward.
Number 4621
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that at this point the committee does
not have the committee substitute before them. He stated he would
like to move to adopt CSHB 263(TRA), Version B.
Number 4640
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if there was an objection. Hearing none,
CSHB 263(TRA), Version B, was adopted.
TAPE 97-26, SIDE B
Number 0017
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON moved and asked unanimous consent to pass
CSHB 263(TRA) out of committee with individual recommendations and
the attached fiscal note.
Number 0053
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if there was an objection. Hearing none,
CSHB 263(TRA) was moved out of the House Transportation Standing
Committee.
Number 0120
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked that the committee to consider an
appointment of a Alaska Marine Highway subcommittee.
Number 0134
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that he would like to appoint
Representatives, Hudson, Kookesh and himself to that subcommittee
and asked if there were any objections. Hearing none, it was so
ordered.
ADJOURNMENT
Number 0142
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS adjourned that House Transportation Standing
Committee meeting at 11:00 a.m.
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