Legislature(1997 - 1998)
03/26/1997 01:10 PM House TRA
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HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE
March 26, 1997
1:10 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT
Representative Bill Williams, Chairman
Representative Beverly Masek, Vice Chairman
Representative John Cowdery
Representative Bill Hudson
Representative Kim Elton
Representative Al Kookesh
MEMBERS ABSENT
Representative Jerry Sanders
COMMITTEE CALENDAR
HOUSE BILL NO. 88
"An Act relating to ferries and ferry terminals, establishing the
Alaska Marine Highway Authority, and relating to maintenance of
state marine vessels; and providing for an effective date."
- HEARD AND HELD
*HOUSE BILL NO. 98
"An Act relating to the issuance, suspension, limitation,
revocation, and reinstatement of drivers' licenses, permits, or
privileges to drive concerning alcohol-related offenses; relating
to the fees charged for the reinstatement of drivers' licenses, to
alcohol information courses for drivers, and to youth assessment
and referral programs for minor drivers."
- HEARD AND HELD
(* First public hearing)
PREVIOUS ACTION
BILL: HB 88
SHORT TITLE: ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY AUTHORITY
SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) WILLIAMS
CURRENT STATUS: (H) TRA STATUS DATE: 1/24/97
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/24/97 137 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
01/24/97 137 (H) TRANSPORTATION, FINANCE
03/07/97 (H) TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17
03/07/97 (H) MINUTE(TRA)
03/12/97 (H) TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17
03/12/97 (H) MINUTE(TRA)
03/19/97 (H) TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17
03/19/97 (H) MINUTE(TRA)
03/24/97 (H) TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17
03/24/97 (H) MINUTE(TRA)
BILL: HB 98
SHORT TITLE: DRIVERS LICENSES & DRUG & ALCOHOL PROGRAM
SPONSOR(S): RULES BY REQUEST OF THE GOVERNOR
CURRENT STATUS: (H) TRA STATUS DATE: 1/31/97
JRN-DATE JRN-PG ACTION
01/31/97 195 (H) READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)
01/31/97 195 (H) TRA, HES, JUDICIARY
01/31/97 195 (H) INDETERMINATE FISCAL NOTE (ADM)
01/31/97 195 (H) 3 FNS (2-HES, DPS)
01/31/97 195 (H) GOVERNOR'S TRANSMITTAL LETTER
03/26/97 (H) TRA AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 17
WITNESS REGISTER
PETER ECKLUND, Legislative Assistant
to Representative Bill Williams
Alaska State Legislature
Capitol Building, Room 424
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Telephone: (907) 465-3424
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented Amendment 1 to HB 88.
MIKE DOWNING, Director
Division of Engineering and Operations
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities
3132 Channel Drive
Juneau, Alaska 99801
Telephone: (907) 465-2460
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on Amendment 1.
MARGOT KNUTH, Assistant Attorney General
Central Office
Criminal Division
Department of Law
Representing the Governor's Children's Cabinet
P.O. Box 110300
Juneau, Alaska 99811
Telephone: (907) 465-4338
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 98.
LOREN JONES, Director
Central Office
Division of Alcoholism and Drug Abuse
Department of Health and Social Services
P.O. Box 110607
Juneau, Alaska 99811
Telephone: (907) 465-2071
POSITION STATEMENT: Testified on HB 98.
ACTION NARRATIVE
TAPE 97-18, SIDE A
Number 001
CHAIRMAN BILL WILLIAMS called the House Transportation Standing
Committee to order at 1:10 p.m. Members present at the call to
order were Representatives Williams, Cowdery, Hudson, Elton and
Kookesh. Representative Masek arrived at 1:12 p.m. Representative
Sanders was absent.
HB 88 - ALASKA MARINE HIGHWAY AUTHORITY
Number 016
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced the first order of business to be HB
88, "An Act relating to ferries and ferry terminals, establishing
the Alaska Marine Highway Authority, and relating to maintenance of
state marine vessels; and providing for an effective date." He
stated that the bill has been before the committee three times and
he would like to adopt an amendment that the committee has been
working on with the administration.
Number 157
REPRESENTATIVE JOHN COWDERY made a motion to adopt Amendment 1, 0-
LS0399\E.2, Utermohle, 3/25/97.
Number 195
REPRESENTATIVE KIM ELTON objected for discussion purposes.
Number 211
PETER ECKLUND, Legislative Assistant to Representative Bill
Williams, stated that through discussions with the Marine Highway
System, they have reworked the section that dealt with the
interport differential. In the amendment, Section 22, page 16,
lines 26-30, the entire section (c) would be deleted. Page 17,
line 5, has been modified to better reflect some of the Marine
Highway Systems concerns. He stated that we have also added
language which stated that, the Marine Highway System shall make
available to the different interested parties the calculations that
went into making up the interport differential. He stated that the
new Section (c) will give the Marine Highway System the authority
to adopt regulations concerning responsibleness of doing
maintenance and repair work in the state. It further states that,
the Marine Highway Authority will adopt regulations concerning the
interport differential and we have given them guidelines concerning
some of the things that we think should be included in the
interport differential.
Number 400
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked the department to talk to the amendment.
Number 430
MIKE DOWNING, Director, Division of Engineering and Operations,
Department of Transportation and Public Facilities, stated that the
bill with the amendment has improved from what it was but there are
elements of it that the department doesn't like. He stated that
the operational constraints that are prescribed in the amendment
are counter to what he has heard in testimony as the intent of the
bill. He stated that the department's understanding of the intent
is to give the system the opportunity to function with a freer
hand, more like a business, and the amendment is fairly
prescriptive and counter to that intent. He stated that
considerable time and effort has been devoted to working throughout
this one issue, which is a minor issue, in terms of all the things
that come up under the bill. The department's feeling is that if
it is this difficult to work through one item, working through all
the issues in the bill, if it were to pass, will be a difficult
thing for the Marine Highway System to do. He stated that the
department remains opposed to the bill for the reasons previously
stated in Commissioner Perkins testimony, prior to the amendment.
Number 564
REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON asked for some examples of where the
criteria of interport differential, relating to this amendment,
might be at odds with good management in maintaining the fleet.
Number 591
MR. DOWNING stated that Section (c) puts a finer box around the
system in terms of the base port and the re-delivery port. He
stated that the department has a lot of parameters imposed on the
system, such as the constraints of the vessel configuration, the
distance between ports, the labor contract, et cetera. This is
just one more item on a list of similar constraints on the system.
Number 645
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that since various vessels may have
different home ports, which you would make the determination of the
added costs. He asked if it would be better for the system if
Ketchikan were designated as the home port for all vessels in
Southeast Alaska and Seward or Kodiak were designated for the
vessels in the north. He stated that we are trying give Alaskans
every opportunity to work on their own vessels and make certain
that all of the costs are fully considered. He stated that there
could be some problems if a vessel on its way to Bellingham ran
into problems, and it would be cheaper to go into the yard in
Bellingham. He asked if it is laid out in contract where each
vessel is going to be taken well in advance, except for in
emergency purposes.
Number 799
MR. DOWNING stated that the work put out for competitive bids are
with the assumption of where the vessel is going to come off line.
He stated that the existing policy states that for the purposes of
making that calculation, that the ship will come off line in
Ketchikan for the six Southeast vessels and in Seward for the two
Southwest vessels. He stated that he does not see that, in the
process of adopting the regulation for the base port to comply with
Section (c), that we would change those two ports.
Number 841
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that maybe the adoption of Section (c)
and the definition of interport differential, in a formal expanded
definition of what should be factored in, really creates the
problem. He stated that he could see where there could be some
problems with trying to develop the authority generally and
broadly. He stated that the conceptual adoption right now is the
thing for us to do.
Number 904
MR. ECKLUND stated that in the area that Mr. Downing was talking
about, in the amendment, line 11, "The commissioner shall designate
by regulation the designated base port for each vessel operated by
the department", the designated based port is already in their
policies and procedures, we further went on to the next line, "A
vessel's designated base port is the vessel's delivery and
redelivery port." He stated that this is important because we have
a protest with the Matanuska where the Federal Highway
Administration is not happy with the existing policies and
procedures. Adoption of that sentence would clear up any future
problems such as the ones with the Matanuska and alleviate some
concerns of the Federal Highway Administration. He stated that we
do not want to jeopardize any federal funding of any projects.
Number 964
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if this problem with the federal
government, adds on any additional costs.
Number 978
MR. ECKLUND replied that if the federal government has a problem
with the existing policies and procedures regarding how the
contracts are awarded, they could pull out their funding of a job,
which would create a problem for us.
Number 994
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if this amendment precludes it or
facilitates it.
Number 1000
MR. ECKLUND stated that the amendment would make the federal
government feel easier about our policies and procedures.
Number 1013
MR. DOWNING stated that the department's position is that, it is
not that significant, it is just the accumulation of parameters
that we have a problem with. The Federal Highway Administration
will impose on us, the rules that they operate under and he rather
them do that and not put in statute requirements that parallel
their requirements.
Number 1050
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if the administration is satisfied
with the definition distinguishing between minor and major repairs
and if this was a problem.
Number 1070
MR. DOWNING replied that it was not a problem.
Number 1078
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY asked if there were problems with the
administration in the criteria to establish who serves on the
board.
Number 1090
MR. DOWNING stated that he has not had a discussion with the
commissioner or anybody else from the administration on that
subject.
Number 1110
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated that he did not support adding the
interport language in the first place and asked which language is
worse what is already adopted in the bill or the amendment that is
now in front of us.
Number 1137
MR. DOWNING stated that this amendment is the result of long
discussions between himself, Mr. Ecklund and others from the marine
highway and it is a great improvement over the first amendment,
given the options this is what we would like to see done.
Number 1160
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated that there is some dissonance here. He
said that we are creating an authority to allow them to
independently manage and yet we are adding this prescriptive
language to it and taking away some of the authority that the
authority would otherwise have.
Number 1199
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked if Representative Elton still held his
objection.
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON replied no.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated hearing no objection Amendment 1 was
adopted.
Number 1233
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON made a motion to move Amendment 2, 0-
LS0399\E.3, Utermohle, 3/26/97.
Number 1238
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON objected to the adoption of this amendment.
He stated that this is an extremely important piece of legislation
to all of the communities of Southeast and Southwest Alaska. We
are establishing a whole new regime of authority and within the
bill there is a reference to experience in maritime affairs as it
is a maritime operation. He stated that rather than do harm to the
amendment, his preference would be to hold the amendment until we
hear the bill again next time.
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked Representative Elton if that was
acceptable.
Number 1313
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated that was acceptable and he would
encourage it. He stated that his concern was the proscriptive
nature of maritime experience with no definition of what the
experience is. He withdraw the motion.
Number 1350
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that he would withdraw his objection.
Number 1362
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that after the recess the bill will be
brought up again.
HB 98 - DRIVERS LICENSES & DRUG & ALCOHOL PROGRAM
Number 1368
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced that the committee would take up HB 98,
"An Act relating to the issuance, suspension, limitation,
revocation, and reinstatement of drivers' licenses, permits, or
privileges to drive concerning alcohol-related offenses; relating
to the fees charged for the reinstatement of drivers' licenses, to
alcohol information courses for drivers, and to youth assessment
and referral programs for minor drivers."
Number 1398
MARGOT KNUTH, Assistant Attorney General, Central Office, Criminal
Division, Department of Law, Representing the Governor's Children's
Cabinet, stated that point of this bill is to address a gap in our
current system. We have a gap in the current system in that we
have an adult alcohol safety program for adults who commit alcohol
related offenses. Under the Alcohol Safety Action Program they are
required to be screened to determine the level of their alcohol
problem and then required to comply with the recommendations from
that screening. This could entail education to inpatient
treatment. The gap is that there is no similar mechanism for
juveniles, we recently adopted this "use it and lose it" provision,
where juveniles who are found to be minors in possession or
consuming alcohol can lose their privilege to drive and may not be
reinstated until they received counselling. She stated that there
is no screening mechanism process for that. That is what this bill
does, and it is especially important because the juvenile
population is easier to reach and turn around then the adult
population. She stated that it is a shame to focus attention on
those who are in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s and miss out on an
opportunity to work with those who are under 18. The way that this
bill accomplishes this Junior Alcohol Safety Action Program (ASAP),
is by requiring that the alcohol education and rehab programs be
approved under the AS 47.037. This is where the Department of
Health and Social Services would be involved in establishing what
the appropriate program would be and working with providers,
through contracts in local areas for the screening and the
treatment. She stated that the heart of the bill is the amendments
to AS 28.015 that will require completion of an alcohol information
course approved by the department. She stated that the funding for
this is addressed by raising the reinstatement fee for both
juveniles and adults, whose licenses have been revoked. She stated
that to a certain extent this is placing an additional burden on
the adult population in that it will specifically benefit the
juveniles but at the same time, that is a population that is
already engaged in some criminal conduct that has resulted in the
revocation of their drivers license. She stated that the $250
reinstatement fee is not unreasonable for them to pay, it puts the
burden on the trouble makers rather than on the general public.
Number 1621
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that he agreed with $250 being paid
as a reinstatement fee. He asked what other penalties or sanctions
are involved with minors.
Number 1645
MS. KNUTH replied that there is a long list of possible penalties
depending on the circumstances. If the child was found to be
driving while intoxicated there would be the panoply of fines,
detention and a juvenile jail stay. She stated that it is only a
fine for a minor consuming alcohol and there is a Senate bill
pending which would make a second offense a crime with the
possibility of incarceration. She stated that minor consumption of
alcohol is a common offense and there needs to be a balance between
catching the attention of youthful offenders versus having multiple
prosecutions. It has been a class A misdemeanor, now it is
violation, and there is talk about making it a class B misdemeanor.
She stated that there is also a zero tolerance provision for
juveniles, if when driving they are shown to have any alcohol, they
lose their license pay a fine and have community work service.
Number 1740
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that if there is a twelve-year-old or
a fourteen-year-old that is driving, they do not even have a
license, the burden is then put back to the parents. He asked in
the extreme situation what kind of penalty in our existing laws
could be imposed besides, the monetary penalty.
Number 1768
MS. KNUTH replied that alcohol related offenses for that age group,
requires action to identify the problem that the child has and what
is needed is treatment and intervention, preferably inpatient
treatment for the child that is on their multiple offense. The way
to accomplish this is to have a criminal prosecution that is held
in abeyance, in lieu of treatment. She stated that there is some
of this but not as much as she would like, part of the reason for
that, is that we do not have the inpatient treatment beds available
everywhere in the state. She stated that a criminal prosecution,
does not do much to solve the problem of the very young alcohol
plagued person because by just going to detention, only teaches
them that they know how to survive the detention process and it
alienates them from the rest of their school mates and the system
that we want to bring them back to.
Number 1837
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS asked would the proposed increase license reissue
fee from $100 to $250 apply to everyone who lost their license, for
whatever reason.
Number 1850
MS. KNUTH replied that it is for the adult offenders, not for the
youthful offenders. For the youthful offenders it must be "a use
it and lose it" alcohol or drug related offense but if they lost it
for points, as with negligent driving or something like that they
would still be in the $100 reinstatement fee for those license
matters.
Number 1871
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON stated that he was assuming that the fiscal
notes where drawn up showing the impact on the department and the
anticipated revenues. He would be curious as to the effect of the
judges ruling on the case where two teen girls were picked up with
a six-pack and there licenses were revoked under the "use it and
lose it" provision and the judge said that it was not allowed. He
stated that he would be interested in the status of that court case
and how that would affect revenues and how that would impact the
department.
Number 1904
MS. KNUTH stated that her understanding is that there could not be
a loss of license as a result of a criminal violation where there
is no right to a jury trial or representation of consul. She
stated that it did not impact the ability to administratively
revoke the license because in the administrative revocation
procedure there is an evidenticiary hearing and an opportunity for
the person to present their case and have their day in court,
albeit administrative court. She stated that is were the bulk of
the "use it and lose it" revocations were occurring anyway and it
is anticipated that there will not be a negative impact there. She
stated that there is one trial court ruling that also did not like
the administrative "use it and lose it" provision, because they did
not think there was a sufficient nexus between an alcohol related
offense and the penalty of revoking a drivers license. She stated
that is against the weight of the authority in Alaska and against
the weight of authority in the United States and it is on appeal.
She stated that we expect a reversal in that case.
Number 1966
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated, "It seems to me that as I have
brought up earlier, that $250 or dollars or whatever there ought to
be some way while these juveniles are doing this that we really get
their attention before they become adults and adult crimes and this
and that, that is why I question more than just the monetary. You
know we got kids wearing $200 reeboks to school and this and that
and things of that nature so that is what I was hoping and I know
that is not a simple solution but sometimes I believe that our kids
and I got kids and grand-kids and great-grand kids and I think that
sometimes that best thing that we can do to them is at a very early
age let them understand that there are certain rules."
Number 2007
MS. KNUTH stated that another one of the initiatives to come out of
the conference on youth and justice is the idea of the community
courts. Youth courts, in rural areas have some type of
intervention system in place for low level offenders that would be
swift, consistent and have appropriate consequences. It is an area
in our system, of dealing with juvenile offenders were we have
pretty much fallen down on the job because the Department of Health
and Social Services, is strapped financially. They have to focus
on the serious offenses, therefore, a whole group of low level
offenders are skating on everything because there isn't the
accountability factor and they are getting the idea that this is
okay, nobody cares, nobody is watching. She stated that in the
hearing officers system in Anchorage and in certain villages, there
is not the ability to create a criminal record for the child or to
put them in detention but they can issue fines and require
community work service, letters of apology, and there is a
confrontation with an authority figure who says what you have done
is inappropriate and we are monitoring you. She stated that there
has to be accountability as part of the big picture because the
$250 fine may not capture some one's attention if money is not a
problem, although it would have an disproportionate impact on
someone with very little money.
Number 2095
REPRESENTATIVE COWDERY stated that children should be made aware at
a very early age that there are laws that have to be abided by.
Number 2141
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if at the present time do the laws
provide for the assignment of community work service.
Number 2152
MS. KNUTH replied that they do depending on circumstances. For a
court to order a community work service it has to be a misdemeanor
offense which gives the offender the right to the jury trial and
the right to public counsel, which was a recent appellate court
ruling. She stated that there could be a fine up to $250 without
the jury trial or right to counsel and the court can always create
the option for the offender to convert that into community work
service.
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked that this is in lieu of payment.
MS. KNUTH replied right.
Number 2182
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that back in his early legislative
days he had fashioned a bill to use community work service, he
initiated the first "use it and lose it" bill in the state of
Alaska. He stated that if we have legal approval than liability
does not become much of an issue, it seems that community work
service, in addition to fines and withholdings of the licenses, it
is a pretty stout effort to grab the attention of the young people
who insist that they are going to drink and drive. He asked if we
could assign community work service to underage kids or does that
depend on each community.
Number 2224
MS. KNUTH replied that we could not have an administrative
requirement or authority to penalize a person through a community
work service because of this court ruling that says that it is
essentially involuntary servitude. She stated that it is an option
in youth courts because the mechanism in those cases is that the
kid could go through delinquency proceedings where the state files
a petition for delinquency adjudication and that can result in
detention. She stated that is the model that we had for dealing
with juveniles since the beginning of time. These community
sanctions are voluntarily agreed to by the youthful offender as an
alternative.
Number 2278
REPRESENTATIVE ELTON asked if we were creating a problem with
unequal application of the law if we charge an adult $100 to get
the license back and a juvenile $250 for something that may not
have been driving related.
Number 2296
MS. KNUTH stated that this bill charges $250 for reinstatement of
any driver's license for the adult offenders.
Number 2321
LOREN JONES, Director, Central Office, Division of Alcoholism and
Drug Abuse, Department of Health and Social Services, with the
approval of the bill, the division hopes to transfer to the
Division of Alcoholism and Drug Abuse, from the Division of Motor
Vehicles, the approval of alcohol information schools. Currently
they are approved under the Division of Motor Vehicles, they are
eight hour classes, four of which must be related to driving, four
related to alcohol. He stated that minors need more than four
hours, all the classes are geared to adult offenders and are not
age appropriate for minors. This would allow us to set an age
appropriate curriculum, setting a full eight hours to the alcohol
class, with the driving hours added in. He stated that in addition
to the fine, we would require them to complete and pass tests to
show that they have gained the knowledge that we have wanted them
to acquire. This would also give the authority to monitor there
compliance, if an offender does not attend the classes, the
division could go back to the court so that the court could retake
up the matter. This is not happening currently. The offense was
moved to a violation from a misdemeanor, the Division of Family and
Youth Services does not follow violations as they would a
misdemeanor for a minor. The district court judge does not have
the ability, on his own, to follow these individuals to make sure
that they are doing it. He stated that as part of the other
screening and sanctions some of the communities that have tried to
address this independently, have used community work service as a
voluntary thing. If a person comes into their program and is
screened they say that the offender needs to do something for the
community as part of dealing with the problem. All of these things
would be added on top of the criminal sanctions, the fine, the
reinstatement fee and the loss of the drivers license. He stated
that this is an added portion to those penalties that would
increase the ability to get a message across to the kids that it is
not acceptable, consumption of alcohol is prohibited by law until
the age of 21 and shows zero tolerance for driving and minor
consumption and possession of alcohol. He stated that the "use it
and lose it" provision has been in effect for a full two years and
the number of administrative revocations of licenses goes up in the
summer and we would focus our efforts on the communities that have
the highest arrests. He stated that these communities are
Anchorage, Fairbanks, Juneau, Ketchikan, the Kenai Peninsula and
the Matsu Valley. He stated that the division's prime interest and
the principle outcome is reflected in these charts that compare,
the number of offenders, the first year who had a second offense
and a third offense, in the second year was greatly reduced.
TAPE 97-18, SIDE B
Number 001
MR. JONES stated that hopefully the first time offenders will start
to decrease as well. He stated, "In the first couple of years it
went from 2,800 the first year, almost an 1,100 increase to 3,900
the second year who actually did lose their driver's license
because of minor consuming or minor possession." He stated that
responsibility as a division is to give offenders the age
appropriate education, to screen them, get them into treatment if
that is appropriate, to re-enforce the sanctions by the court and
make sure the youth comply. He stated the ultimate goal is to
decrease the number who lose their license and decrease the number
who repeat that offense.
Number 034
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked what do you do to educate kids in the
schools, is there any anti-drug and alcohol program, to modify the
behavior before they reach the point of being an offender.
Number 047
MR. JONES stated that between the programs that we provide through
the grant and aid process and through programs that the Department
of Education provides through the Drug Free Schools and Safe
Communities Act and money that is in the schools districts and in
the health curriculum, we try to get the message out. He stated
that "Heres Looking at You" and other kinds of curriculums are in
the schools, their officers are in the school, the information is
there. He stated that representatives from around the state
reported that the information was available in the high schools and
the middle schools. He stated that it is part of the Department of
Motor Vehicle's manual and test, the information is out there. He
stated that as one kid reported to the division that some kids just
don't want to listen, but we try to encourage them and we are
trying to get their attention.
Number 104
REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON stated that he thinks that this is a critical
area, and educating the young people before they get to the point
where they make these decisions. He stated that this is an area
that he hopes will be looked at over the next five years.
Education in the schools combined with joint communications with
the families, so that the families can reinforce the training.
Number 152
MR. JONES stated that through the Youth and Justice Conference
there has been a lot of discussion about what is wrong and who are
these kids that we are having all these troubles with but it also
showed that there are a lot of kids out there that are doing it
right. He stated that there are 70,000 kids out there, that are
not losing there license. He stated that a lot of what the
division is doing has had an impact on these kids and we just have
to go the extra mile for a few.
Number 190
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated this bill will be held over to a future
meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
Number 202
CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS adjourned the House Transportation meeting at
2:00 p.m.
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